Micro 957 | Trust Fall | Fall Over

[Tipsy]

HELLO i had wodrs to say !

[Tipsy]

the tmeptation to hipfire in this game will be.... very strong!

and mathematically speaking, since i know only 2/8 of u r scum, if i hipfire RIGHT NOW, i have a 75% chance of exiting the gmae with town. who is to say forming reads will help or hurt that?

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and even if they dont accept my trust, if i try to fall onto some1 and they do not trust me back, they are CONIRMED TOWN to me. which means, if i end up leavin with some1 else, if u see im town then that person becomes 100% conftown.

actualy this is an impotant question:

@mod can one mafia say "i trust [other mafia]" asl ong as the other mafia doesnt accept it? or can they not even go that far?"

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If we force trust falls, we also could randomly stumble into asking scum to trust fall with each other, which would out them when they refuse and can't do it.

i habd this same though t but the chance is 1/36(? i think lol math) sooooo..

[Tipsy]

hayasaka thats well good n all but what if i want to HUPFIRE how do u feel about that plan? 75%% odds!!

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pls dont trust me i dont wanna be conftown this erly it makes it so hard to read.

hayasaka thats well good n all but what if i want to HUPFIRE how do u feel about that plan? 75%% odds!!

Is this a balanced 50/50 setup long term or is it balanced assuming we know how to play the game? If it is 50/50 I guess you can just do it.

I think if you hipfire the other person shouldn't accept and should use conf town status to pair up with someone else. That's likely the best case scenario for us since we don't need to worry about you being scum and it's really just 75% to confirm someone as town.

ok but consider if the answer to theabove question i asked the mod is "yes" then as scum here, i would 100% trust my partner and then tell him in secret to reject me. this was actualy how i was plannin to play this game if i was mafia bu tsince im town im just putting that plan out in the open so it cant be used on us.

[Tipsy]

but reading is ahrd consider that i may be bad at mafia, hectoc!

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I am going to be honest I'd trust fall you for this exact post, The only thing stopping me is I want to play this game for more than 2 posts.

What makes you think Tipsy made that thought after they got their role PM, rather than before?

good post lol

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onee townie can be an incorect scumread.. if we are perfect otherwise lol. there is a scenario where we get 3 T-T pairings and town wins even with one townie still left in the game.

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droppin a thread here! quote this later

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also im think it's actually quite important we let the deadline get closeish before the first trustfall. if one scum leaves super early, were playing with zero associatives. we should have time for every1 to interact with everyone.

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NOO

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..not sure if intnetionally fail bold?

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stiop!!

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can believ im sayin this but all the fakes are actualy annoying and unhelpful please stop. !

[Tipsy]

HELLO i had wodrs to say !

the tmeptation to hipfire in this game will be.... very strong!

and mathematically speaking, since i know only 2/8 of u r scum, if i hipfire RIGHT NOW, i have a 75% chance of exiting the gmae with town. who is to say forming reads will help or hurt that?

and even if they dont accept my trust, if i try to fall onto some1 and they do not trust me back, they are CONIRMED TOWN to me. which means, if i end up leavin with some1 else, if u see im town then that person becomes 100% conftown.

actualy this is an impotant question:

@mod can one mafia say "i trust [other mafia]" asl ong as the other mafia doesnt accept it? or can they not even go that far?"

And this looks like a scum gambit to me.

loooolll how so?

[Tipsy]

Tipsy Dannflor Clover Ebi Something_Smart Raven Branwen Chef Hayasaka Adorable / Not Known 15

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Dannflor annd s_s both ccorrectly pointed out that my intro was basicly preplanned. hayasaks townread on me for that felt too easy, and it has been stuborn. i think, with me entering the game as talkin about how im gonna hipfire, hayasaka wanted to set herself up as the recepient of said hipfire.

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droppin a thread here! quote this later

my scumread on u preceeded dann [:

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pressuin... why is pressurin you scummy??

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pressuin... why is pressurin you scummy??

Dann is town for it actually.
It's what I said doing it after it after it's been established as an acceptable idea is both incredibly safe and doubles as going after LHF.

If my name was more red I'd probably feel better about it tbh. Then your more resolved on me being scum and its not just stating the most acceptable opinion so you can have some form of a lowest read.

LOL WHATS THIS??

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u became an ACCEPTABLE scumread just bc dann outed a read on u? im playing it too safe but not hard scumreading u 5 pages in?? i actualy dont follow this nonsense logc.

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Dann stating a scum read on me let's you know the exact way town would respond to you stating you aren't happy with my slot. Which means you don't have to worry about how you would be perceived? But you don't state your thoughts to be any stronger then Dann's which is where the "unknown" territory begins again.

This isn't complicated analysis. It isn't hard to understand laying out you find my slot most sus wouldn't raise eye brows given it has already happened in the thread.

ok scum lul

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the part wher eanyone reasonably thinks scum actually does that??? the part where u dont just assume that maybe two town came to the same conclusion????? the part where u presume other ppl will react the same way to the same thing happend twice?????????

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like if u had just said "hm i think tipsy might just be sheepin dann" then okaaaaaay fine. but instead u take it up to 11 and das scummy!!

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:0

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Why was this your only reaction to the offer, Tipsy? Didn't you scumlean us? You didn't try and stop Not Known there.

Puff, why aren't you accepting my offer? Are you scum?

~Hectic

just not in my nature to be boss y~ lawl

chef conftown, adorable conftown

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ohmg did u use the wrong formating again GOROAN

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then why wouldnt chef accept one of thoe two falls he got?

chef geting two different falls and not takin either confirm them. thought adorable not takin a fall from conftown confirm her

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wel it's a bit lamist but i can see it comin from town, i agree. their townread on me and then later saying it wasnt serious is more bothersome to me.

the fact that theyre saying there that they dont wanna leave the game too soon and now they put out a trust is also concerning!

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Tipsy Chef Dannflor Clover Ebi Adorable Not Known 15 Raven Branwen Something_Smart Hayasaka [/color]

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ike the way clover is approachin the game a lot. might even should put him above dannflor.

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tipsy is town cause i saw my role pm!
chef is town for mechanica lreasons!
dannflor and i had some synchronicity with thoughts! though tihnking more, i might rate him a tiny bit lower? stil a townlean tho
clover's recent readlist was good and i like how he's approachin the game wrt like, figuring out who he thinks should go for the most town utility.
adorable i liked 223
not known 15 i just am skeptical would be so brazen as scum
raven i havent had any impresions on one way or the other
something_smart's content has been off tonally and lackluster! decent amount of analysis but not many substantiated reads.
hayasaka ive talked about plenty.

[Tipsy]

yea idk why ur trustin chef here actualy clover.

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are we just all trustin cheff and letting him pick who he leaves with??

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oh i mised that.

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inb4 hayasaka/clover scumteam xD

[Tipsy]

hey raven... what if.. i trust falled u rn.

hahaha jk

...unless...?

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xD sorry the unless part is just a silly joke! a classic jape. like, a thing u say when u ask ur crush out, but then ur like "omg i was jking, my friends stole my phone, omg jk not serious. ...unless?"

soooo what if i trusted dann? what would u say to THAT?

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oh my god raven gimie something to WORK WITH.

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Tipsy Chef Clover Ebi Dannflor Adorable Not Known 15 Raven Branwen Something_Smart Hayasaka [/color]

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Tbh I think it's best I flip town, because I think Tipsy gets out of the dance before I do.
And I don't particularly want that to happen. =)

what?

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oh my god raven gimie something to WORK WITH.

I’m slow to get into the game. I’m rarely obvtown read on D1. I think that will become more obvious as the game progresses.

But if you have anything specific you’d like to ask me, shoot.

ive been askin u questions and u keep dodgin giving me any helpful analysis LOL

whats ur thoughts on hayasaksa trusting clover?

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Should I love with Hayasaka here? I'm tempted to take it.

i dont think so, but follow ur heart <3

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ok but... what does it tell u about hayasaka... raven pls.

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it wa sfake.

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Tipsy Chef Clover Ebi Dannflor Adorable Not Known 15 Something_Smart Hayasaka Raven Branwen

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Dann is still town even though he is lurking, he should likely leave with Chef.

I'd pretend to break down the last part further but idk about the last 5 really...
Not tipsy I guess?

And Raven is the best looking. No idea on the other 3.

Raven best lookin why lawl

ok but... what does it tell u about hayasaka... raven pls.

I think his reaction to my pushback on him was townie and I see no reason to change my read on him.

jfc it's like trying to read a brick wall

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Tipsy Chef Clover Ebi Dannflor Adorable Not Known 15 Something_Smart Hayasaka Raven Branwen

Oh nice, how did I suddenly plummet to the bottom?

cause ur contnet is hella shallow.

idk raven, what do u think about the fact that ive put u at the botom hmmmm??? (: (: (:

Imagine expecting an alignment indicative response to every single question.

shush u.

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i mean i wouldnt say im posi on it but i guess yea probably.

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i didnt fake trustfall u lol. i just asked what u would do if i did trust fal u

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im TRYING to for am READ on YOU. >:(

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no, but i hoped u might say "well it wouldnt make much sense, so i might be a bit paranoid? i might scumread you a bit for it" or something to that effect with actual substance. but instead you were like "lol idk. maybe later (:"

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yup.

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ooooo i would like to sign up for this service chef!

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ohohoho /pre-in

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WELCOME TIPSYcongratulatioms, you have made the right choice and are now on he path to finding your TRUE LOVE.

Just fill out this simple personality test and we will be able to match you to your perfect mate in no time!

1. Do you believe in love at first sight?
2. Do you prefer staying in and watching tv or going out to parties on a Friday night?
3. Which adjective best describes your ideal match?

1. hmm yes! i believe..
   
2. i like to mix it up! i gues if i had to choose, staying in, but a party now and then is fun!!
   
3. gay

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i saw nothing!

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oh no i dont like that

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u will be missed

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im town zzzzzzzzzz

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whhhhyyyy are u so weeeiiirdd haya??

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Tipsy Chef Adorable Not Known 15 Dannflor Raven Branwen Something_Smart

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mostly tonal. i think his ratio of analyss to reads is bad. there have been a couple decent things but on the iso is shallow overalll

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wouldnt clal it "so low" tho. im having trouble with confidant reads here. so far ive been wrong about both chef and hayakasa sooooooooooooooooooooooooo....

[Tipsy]

What happened to your strong Raven read? Or was that purely to get a reaction

just tryna get a rise out of her.

mostly tonal. i think his ratio of analyss to reads is bad. there have been a couple decent things but on the iso is shallow overalll

What about the ratio is bad? You've implied that I've been tonally off which means you must have enough experience with me to know what my tone feels like, but then you should know that my analysis:reads ratio is always very high.

i dont having meta. i get that tonal reads without that can be hard,, hence ur not a strong read.
the ratio is bad because analysis is easy for scum to do, but actual committing to reads is harder.

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not sure what to think of raven's "oh ill be able to read these players as the game progresses." it sounds gneuine but it could also just be a way of kickin the can down the road wrt making assertions? im tempting to townlean her but i have too many townleans at this point so.

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think we might have difrent definitions of analysis

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Interesting progression.

I trust Chef

I do not trust Raven.

y not

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hmm

I trust Raven Branwen

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sory if wrong but i think ravne always leaves the game at some point so i wont feel too bad if she just autoaccepts here as scum.

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's fine if u dont accept it. still pro-town to have raven clear fmpov.

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cmon raven they sond like theyre havin so much fun let's go join them!!!!!!!!

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Tipsy, I find it a little weird that your immediate response to me stating a scum read on you is to try and leave the game?

why would that be weird

town all has to leave the game too. wanting to leave the game isnt alignment based.

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i mean, by the nature of the setup here, scum is probably gonna null to scum read each other. if they townread each other, it'll start to look weird that they're not trust falling at some point. so i think associations are actually a bit more difficult.

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i think her content on this page is fairly genuine, similar to u actually. im not 100% posi she's town, but i feel pretty alright aobut her and want to know if she's town or not. if she doesn't accept me, she's almost definitely town.

i dont really feel the need to engage with ur read? weve had a lot of the same thoughts this game which makes me feel p good about you, but on the other hand, that kind of read has burned me before. and we were wrong on hayasaka so now im all waaarryy.
your rad on me is what, that i was faking my interaction wit hraven? well i wasnt lol so i dk what else to say to that.

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and like i said, i think raven definitely leavs the game at some point. so i may as well test her now.

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's fine if u dont accept it. still pro-town to have raven clear fmpov.

It isn’t pro-town for me to accept a tf from you, especially with that reasoning.

i wasnt saying it would be pro-town for you to take the fall. im saying it's pro-town for me to do it bc now you're clear (:

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bc now you're clear to everyone else unless im scum, lol.

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which i mean, maybe, but do ppl honestly believe u and me are partnered? probably not (:

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raven, if i had to leave with some1, who would you want me to leave with?

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good commentary, something_smart!

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again, im not saying u should have accepted! i didn't think u would! but now this clarifies a lot of things for me and, when i flip town, for others as well. i think your response to it is perfectly reasonable, not that i really need to try and read into it bc if u were scum, u would just accept it lol

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at this point my best guess at scum is Something_Smart. the other, im not so sure! i guess gun to my head i would say Dannflor, but that's really not a confidant read at all. in fact it's a bad read; i sort of have had town vibes from him but also just something about their content is makin me paranod so im basically flipping that read on its head.

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i also feel there is a waaay outside chance of Chef being scum and wanting to dictate our trustfalls to get their partner out before they does. but i think the chance is preettyy low, and they've felt a bit hands off if that's actually the strategy.

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lol i wasnt asking who ur strongest TR is. im asking who u would want

ME

to leave with. that's not necessarily ur strongest TR.

and again, no, i did not expect u to accept the fall.

at this point my best guess at scum is Something_Smart. the other, im not so sure! i guess gun to my head i would say Dannflor, but that's really not a confidant read at all. in fact it's a bad read; i sort of have had town vibes from him but also just something about their content is makin me paranod so im basically flipping that read on its head.

How is NK15 town for you?

maybe naive of me but imo too scummy 2 be scum.

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having town players leave is great. but also nice is having central slots that tell us a lot about the game state flip is nice. for example, let's say i leave with NK15... he's barely interacte dwith anyone. we don't learn a lot from that. but if i leave with say, Adorable, and she were to flip scum... there's a lot more to read into, no?

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so i guess to restate my question, and understand im not askin this for the sake of readin u, im asking this bc i genuinely want ur opinion since ur conftown to me... who do you think is the most informative potential flip in the game?

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is he this low impact as scum? i jus find it hard to believe scum would do sooooooooooooo liiiitttlee.

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ty.

NK15, whenever u pop back in, is there any reason uve been so low effort in this game?

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fair nuff, fair nuff.

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Tipsy Raven Branwen Chef Adorable Dannflor Not Known 15 Something_Smart

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chef i feel like uve checked out enough of tis game that at this point u should just tell us who u want to trust fall with tbh. unless ur planning on gamesolving for us, it probably is better for u to flip?

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in fact, i think this is a good move!

I trust Chef

if u can find it in ur heart to trust me: me townflipping gets a decent number of townies to re-calibrate their reads. and also it clears raven (really doubt she's scum hanging around to run interference)

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are u gonna out some reads then? xD

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if u were scum u'd take my trustfall and exit the game.
i mean, if im scum, ur not clear. but im not scum sooooo.

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and yea i am eaager to leave the game. lotta scumreads on me, so it's bette i leave early so ppl can re-evaluate.

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lol what

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i have no idea what u jut said im sorry.

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it literally does clear u tho?????????????????????????????

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raven i have no idea what to even say to u.
i want to leave this game bc town needs to leave the game too.
i have iven my reads. and i hope ppl take them to heart, but frankyl, they probably will not. bc a lot of ppl (including u) are messily misreading me.
which is why it would be nice for me to leave now! bc then u could be like "oh shit, we were all wrong on tipsy. let's re-evaluate our thinking on the game"

I’m not tr this. It looks like you’re trying to avoid sr on you. Shouldn’t you be way more interested in figuring out who’s scum?

uh the ship has sailed on me avoiding SRs, girl. and ive given reads? xD

it literally does clear u tho?????????????????????????????

How?

I LITERALLY JUS SAID IT IKE FOR THE 3RD TIME?

[Tipsy]

yall am i HIGH as a KITE??????????????????????

[Tipsy]

i will take this one step at a time.

HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO: i am town, you are mafia
i trustfall you

what do YOU DO?

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im literally about to start trustfalling my scumreads so i can leave the game and you can get your head out of your ass and fix ur reads lol.

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OH MY GOD.

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SOMEONE HELP ME SPELL IT OUT TO THIS PRECIOUS LASS.

raven, im gonna try this again. please, stay with me

LET'S IMAGINE, FOR THE SAKE OF EXAMPLE, YOU'RE MAFIA. YOU'RE MAFIA NOW. OKAY? I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY MAFIA THIS GAME, BUT JUST IMAGINE, FOR A SECOND, THAT YOU WERE MAFIA.

AND I'M NOT YOUR PARTNER. STILL WITH ME? YOU'RE MAFIA, IN THIS GAME. NOT REALLY, BUT IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL. BUT YOUR PARTNER ISN'T ME, IT'S SOMEONE ELSE. OKAY? YOU GOT ME? YOU FOLLOWING THIS FANTASTICAL SCENARIO?

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NOW IMAGINE, IF YOU PLEASE, THAT I, THE PERSON THAT IS NOT YOUR PARTNER. YOU, THE MAFIA, NOT YOUR PARTNER. MEANING IM TOWN, IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO. I KNOW YOU DON'T THINK IM REALLY TOWN. BUT JUST IMAGINE, FOR A SECOND, THAT IM TOWN. OKAY?

SO IMAGINE YOU'RE MAFIA, AND IM TOWN. AND THEN I TRUSTFALL YOU?

WHAT DO YOU DO? ILL GIVE YOU MULTIPLE CHOICE

A) TRUSTFALL ME BACK, THEREFORE LEAVING THE GAME AS MAFIA
B) NOT TRUSTFALL ME BACK.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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raven im not asking u to tf me. im trying to explain to u why ur clear, as u asked me to do.

do u understand what hypothetical scenarios are?

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so ur saying that IF you were scum, you WOULD accept my trust fall. correct?

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THEREFORE, since you DIDN'T accept......

...you're clear.

right???

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yes precisely. hence, ur clear.

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yes precisely. hence, ur clear.

So which is it then? If I’m already clear for rejecting your request than why are you positing that your exit clears me? Which one is it?

well bc technically u could be scum with me...

[Tipsy]

oh my god

someone help me.

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literally not criticizing u for not taking my tf. i didnt fucking expect u to. i expected u to not, and therefore be almost completely locktown, and therefore the game is easier for all of us. and if ppl see my flip town, there's basically no way ur scum, so even better. hence my point with chef.

im done talking to u. u seem very nice, and obviously town. but no offense, it's extremely difficult to communicate with u. i would like it if chef could see im town and take my TF, and therefore everyone could re-evulate bc theyre all wrong on me. if u want to make more input fine, but im literally 100% fucking done trying to engage with u this game.

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chef, im begging you, release me from my suffering.

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lol do u want me to? why dont u trust me first if ur gonna be so forward ^_~

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oh wow.

i was town ftr. thanks

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and fwiw i wouldnt have accepted NK15's trust!

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they spelled it wrong anyway so maybe they were tryna fake me out? anyway, my recent readslist stands. im struggling to read NK15 tbh. S_S i still think has been poor.

realltalk get chef to leave next if he's not gonna contribute to the game

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i was desperate to get out of this game! bc all the town needs to get out! or all but one anyway.

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haha maybe. im just honestly paranoid that their plan is to linger around as scum in order to dictate trustfalls and get their partner out, and then use their conftown status to quickly escape as well!

so i think they should be in the next fall, just in case that is what's happening. cause it's not like theyre helpin town a whole bunch rn lol

i was desperate to get out of this game! bc all the town needs to get out! or all but one anyway.

I’m presuming you mean Chef?

i just mean from a mechanic standpoint. all the town needs to find a partner. technically, if our reads are perfect, the final remainers can be 1 town, 2 mafia. so 1 town can stay behind. but if we let one scum out, we need to have PERFECT reads from then on.

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and bc i was gettin some scumreads on me, at least some of which must be from town players, i wanted to get out to avoid being the scummy towny that caused us to lose the game
not to mention, when i flip town, it'll prompt people to fix their reads and reconsider other slots they might have given a pass bc they thought i was probscum.

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it's ok, doubt is part of the game! and im sorry i got short with u earlier and have been pressuing u this entire game. i havent seen u as scum raven, but i think ur the sort of player that makes it extremely obvious when ur town. so that's why i was trying to force it out of u early on.

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whoops!