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In post 8, Tipsy wrote:and even if they dont accept my trust, if i try to fall onto some1 and they do not trust me back, they are CONIRMED TOWN to me. which means, if i end up leavin with some1 else, if u see im town then that person becomes 100% conftown.
actualy this is an impotant question:
@mod can one mafia say "i trust [other mafia]" asl ong as the other mafia doesnt accept it? or can they not even go that far?"
I am going to be honest I'd trust fall you for this exact post, The only thing stopping me is I want to play this game for more than 2 posts.
But you need to be really confident on it, because wrongly trust falling a player only twice would make us lose, so it’s worse than mislynching, so I’m not going to be accepting any trust fall requests from anyone until I’m super confident on it.
In post 8, Tipsy wrote:@mod can one mafia say "i trust [other mafia]" asl ong as the other mafia doesnt accept it? or can they not even go that far?
Mafia may state that they trust their partner in thread. The other partner can accept and replicate it back. However, since they cannot perform the trust fall, it would "fail" and not actually occur (thus not removing the two mafia members or restarting the deadline timer).
God, I can’t read this, it isn’t showing up on my iPad.
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Post #85 (isolation #3) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:17 am
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 65, Clover Ebi wrote:I think it's best if we just drag the game out as much as we can. But that's stating the obvious. The more minds we can use and depend on for reads after flipping the better
Yeah, no reason to rush this. I legit wonder if Hectic signed up for the meme potential.
A player must type exactly "I trust X" Bolded in order to start the trust fall process. The "I trust" part is non-negotiable, and any post not following that aspect will be voided in our eyes. X's name is heavily preferred to be in full as well, but name shortening is fine as long as it is abundantly clear whom you are referring to.
Examples of name shorting:
Spoiler:
Vaild: Golden Worst -> Clear that you mean THE Golden Worst
Invaild: Bolden Korst -> Unclear over if you are referring to us or some kind of German Sasuage.
Invaild: TGW -> Abbreviated; Names can only be shortened and not abbreviated or nicknamed.
Additionally, all trust fall offers are only valid until a trust fall occurs. After a trust fall, any other offers are scrubbed, and players must properly repost their offer to trust fall with other players if they wish to.
Thank you.
I’m might cry. Will I have have to quote everyone of these posts in order to read them?
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Post #86 (isolation #4) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:23 am
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 80, Hayasaka wrote:I really am enjoying everyone come into the thread and state how I shouldn't town read Tipsy. You guys are so lame, leave me and my page 1 hard town read alone.
I don’t see a problem with that, so long as you take some time before you’d actually exit. Exiting too prematurely is the issue everyone ought to be concerned with. However, I think it’s too soon to be hard tr anyone yet.
In post 87, Something_Smart wrote:I'm not at all concerned about exiting prematurely. I'm concerned about exiting with scum.
Exiting prematurely increases the odds of that happening, so I think they kind of go together.
Do you have any reads? Does that make you wary of smart, is my opposite reaction townie? Or the opposite?
I see lots of comments from you but not a lot of thoughts.
No not yet but I will soon. I usually take awhile to have useful thoughts. My probably only useful thought rn is that Hectic is trying very hard to make sure no one tries to exit with him, so unless he’s doing a reverse psychology thing, it could possibly be town indicative?
Wrt to you and SS, I really don’t have a read on either of you so far.
In post 7, Tipsy wrote:the tmeptation to hipfire in this game will be.... very strong!
and mathematically speaking, since i know only 2/8 of u r scum, if i hipfire RIGHT NOW, i have a 75% chance of exiting the gmae with town. who is to say forming reads will help or hurt that?
In post 8, Tipsy wrote:and even if they dont accept my trust, if i try to fall onto some1 and they do not trust me back, they are CONIRMED TOWN to me. which means, if i end up leavin with some1 else, if u see im town then that person becomes 100% conftown.
actualy this is an impotant question:
@mod can one mafia say "i trust [other mafia]" asl ong as the other mafia doesnt accept it? or can they not even go that far?"
And this looks like a scum gambit to me.
Do you think scum would post this in the main thread though, unless you think that was intentional?
In post 91, Hayasaka wrote:I see lots of comments from you but not a lot of thoughts.
Hi, nice to meet you. This is my MO.
I’m not really thrilled that he’s making that kind of comment this early, the game’s barely started but I’m not necessarily reading anything into that.
In post 8, Tipsy wrote:and even if they dont accept my trust, if i try to fall onto some1 and they do not trust me back, they are CONIRMED TOWN to me. which means, if i end up leavin with some1 else, if u see im town then that person becomes 100% conftown.
actualy this is an impotant question:
@mod can one mafia say "i trust [other mafia]" asl ong as the other mafia doesnt accept it? or can they not even go that far?"
I am going to be honest I'd trust fall you for this exact post, The only thing stopping me is I want to play this game for more than 2 posts.
Who would have thought my page 2 read wasn't actually a hard read I planned on sticking to?
You called it a “hard townread”, didn’t you? And please tell me why you think I could be scum for being suspicious of what read to me as a disingenuously push on me.
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Post #131 (isolation #14) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:33 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 127, Hayasaka wrote:Push me faster or with more resolve, otherwise it feels like your taking the most acceptable pot shot.
If you had a town role pm and multiple people called you scum who would you rule out as being scum and who remains after that?
I am not applying complicated logic here and your upset because you know it isn't flawed.
You’re initially coming at me the way you did looked kind of opportunistic. The game has barely started and had I actually said anything even remotely scummy, I wouldn’t be suspicious but that’s not the reason you came at me. You came at me because eventhough the game’s just started I hadn’t given any reads yet. So, no that generally isn’t the way I would expect town to approach that.
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Post #134 (isolation #15) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:38 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 129, Hayasaka wrote:Anyone can fake an argument which is why I am reading into the intent behind your vote. What I think is lacking with tipsy and especially you is an intent to do anything with the the pressure your laying down
Vote?
I said I disliked the way you came at me for the reasons you gave. Why don’t you respond to that?
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Post #138 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:43 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 136, Hayasaka wrote:>thing happened
>people react to thing
>Other does same thing
>people will react in a similar manner
What step in this process do you not understand?
Are you ever planning on ever answering my question? Why did you think my not having what you dub “useful opinions” a reason to come at me like you did when the game just barely started? Did you find even a single one of my posts scummy?
It looks like you’re pushing me for the sake of pushing someone.
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Post #144 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:51 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 140, Tipsy wrote:like if u had just said "hm i think tipsy might just be sheepin dann" then okaaaaaay fine. but instead u take it up to 11 and das scummy!!
I’m not even sheeping anybody. I seriously would like to know what his issue is with my not having had any reads on the gamrstate yet/or what he decided weren’t “useful opinions” a valid reason to come at me the way he did but oh yeah, that’s clearly sheeping.
In post 136, Hayasaka wrote:>thing happened
>people react to thing
>Other does same thing
>people will react in a similar manner
What step in this process do you not understand?
Are you ever planning on ever answering my question? Why did you think my not having what you dub “useful opinions” a reason to come at me like you did when the game just barely started? Did you find even a single one of my posts scummy?
It looks like you’re pushing me for the sake of pushing someone.
Are you going to respond to the bolded? I want to know what your issue was with that.
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Post #148 (isolation #19) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:59 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 145, Hayasaka wrote:I don't think reasonably scum wouldn't try and position themselves to keep me at the bottom.
It is straight up the most logical approach.
I’m trying to get you to answer my question. I’m trying to access your thought process behind it. Are you going to answer or just keep calling me scum?
In post 145, Hayasaka wrote:I don't think reasonably scum wouldn't try and position themselves to keep me at the bottom.
It is straight up the most logical approach.
I’m trying to get you to answer my question. I’m trying to access your thought process behind it. Are you going to answer or just keep calling me scum?
In post 136, Hayasaka wrote:>thing happened
>people react to thing
>Other does same thing
>people will react in a similar manner
What step in this process do you not understand?
Are you ever planning on ever answering my question? Why did you think my not having what you dub “useful opinions” a reason to come at me like you did when the game just barely started? Did you find even a single one of my posts scummy?
It looks like you’re pushing me for the sake of pushing someone.
Are you going to respond to the bolded? I want to know what your issue was with that.
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Post #154 (isolation #21) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:06 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 151, Hayasaka wrote:"I don't scum read you I town read you the least" I could summarize a post you made this way which just feels like you howling.
Until you answer my question, I will stop responding to you. You clearly didn’t have a valid reason for your initial push or you wouldn’t continue to ignore my question.
In post 112, Raven Branwen wrote:I don’t have a read on Hyasaka yet but I rn, he’s the last person I’d agree to exit with.
This one here.
The pot shot I made prior honestly doesn't impact my read I have now. I said it because I felt like you were commenting a lot on how we should play not commenting on what we were doing and how it relates to our alignment
Oh I see, you would have preferred I called you lockscum when I’m still trying to form reads. Okay dude.
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Post #161 (isolation #24) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:20 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 158, Hayasaka wrote:I am not even upset your calling me scum, I am upset you guys refuse to believe I could possibly think scum would push on me right now. Like I don't have an in-depth reason based on how your pushing me. I don't have that my logic is relatively simple I am aware of that. All tells I use have some kind of caviat and I explained why I think Dann falls outside my line of reasoning.
Its a perfectly reasonable stance, I have explained the stance. I genuinely don't know what you want out of me.
When did I ever say anything like that? Of course it’s possible. Anyway, I have a bit of a townlean on how you responded to my pushback.
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Post #163 (isolation #25) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:21 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 159, Hayasaka wrote:I didn't reply to you fast because I was tunneling on the argument that was frustrating me more. Sorry if that bothered you I am going to step away
It’s fine.
In post 160, Clover Ebi wrote:Hayasaka's 145 has a bit of cockiness to it that I don't know if they'd make as scum. Thoughts? The whole angle they're taking seems townie to me
The way he reacted to my pushback, scum usually doesn’t react like that. So currently my most confident trs are Chef and Hyasaka and interesting that they’re both being trusted but not by each other.
In post 145, Hayasaka wrote:I don't think reasonably scum wouldn't try and position themselves to keep me at the bottom.
It is straight up the most logical approach.
I’m trying to get you to answer my question. I’m trying to access your thought process behind it. Are you going to answer or just keep calling me scum?
NM found it. @Dann where did I say 145 sounded “cocky”? I didn’t even comment on 145 at all, just kept pressing him to answer my original question.
In post 25, Hayasaka wrote:I think it's sub optimal for me to leave this game until I figure out who the scum player is, since pairing up with town is only a very small step to winning this game. So I am not going to trust or accept anyone's trust for a bit.
Although I do town read Tipsy, see you all later.
For whatever reason this pinged me
I guess that answers my question. I read that as NIA. It reads like a townie thought process but it’s obviously also one scum could presumably fake so I dunno, it didn’t ping me.
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Post #227 (isolation #33) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:46 am
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 218, Tipsy wrote:wel it's a bit lamist but i can see it comin from town, i agree. their townread on me and then later saying it wasnt serious is more bothersome to me.
the fact that theyre saying there that they dont wanna leave the game too soon and now they put out a trust is also concerning!
First statement, I don’t really see why that’s particularly concerning? Second point I can see though. @Hyasaka, if you don’t want to leave the game early, why put out a trust fall?
@NK15, did you seriously expect Chef to take you up on your trust fall when that was literally your second post?
I already commented on Something Smart a bit, but looking at his iso in more detail it leaves me putting him at a strong null, with a slight lean onto scum because I’m just looking for reasons to townread him and I don’t see much solving or reasons to do that. 211 is a goodish post, and I’d like to see more but I might not be around to see it.
Tipsy:
I think Tipsy's style of posting is very loose (hence Tipsy!) but I would be surprised with Tipsy being town if Haysaka was. And at the moment I think Haysaka is but more on that later. Independent of that though the only real interaction they have is with them.
Adorable:
I think Adorables reaction to the fake trust fall was really townie and the way they’re playing around/interacting with Chef in posts 180 and 186 is really good
Not Known 15:
I don’t have much to say on Not Known 15. Does he make that play as scum and just expect to get out? If I was to put a gun to my head I’d say no due to how helpful that is to town, but he’s the most null slot in the game to me.
Raven Branwen:
For Raven...I don’t know. They seemed to flip on a read after an engagement with Haysaka but I don’t see why they did and I can’t really say I think Raven came out favorable with it. I don’t think it was bad, but I can’t say I found it townie. (Wow Clover these reads are really helpful good job)
Hayasaka:
Hayasaka is who I think should trust/go asap. They’re not even the person I’m townreading the most that person is next but. I feel like Hayasaka gives us a ton of information on the Tipsy slot and to some extent Raven. I love things like 145 and 158 the self awareness and emotion feels real to me. If you disagree let me know
Dannflor:
Dann! The guy I was going to try and leave with since I thought Chef would go with Adorable. Right out of the game Dann seems to be trying to solve and just has a tone I took a liking to. His early game posting is better than his right now posting but that’s probably due to other things
To sum it up nicely I think Dann/Hayasaka should leave next or Hayasaka/Adorable because that flip blows the game open. Heck I would even like if they went before me and Chef so we could talk more about things but maybe that's just my selfish side. If Hayasaka is scum I would look at Raven/Something_Smart but we'll wait.
[Adorable]
[Dann Hayasaka]
[Not Known 15 Raven]
[Something Smart Tipsy]
I liked their reaction to their pushback on me. I flip reads like that all the time. In one game, I was lock sr a player, then they made a strongly town indicative comment, which caused me to completely flip my read on them. Anyway, I think you’re probably town from this.
Why did you change your mind on Hayasaka leaving next?
To sum it up nicely I think Dann/Hayasaka should leave next or Hayasaka/Adorable because that flip blows the game open
. Heck I would even like if they went before me and Chef so we could talk more about things but maybe that's just my selfish side. If Hayasaka is scum I would look at Raven/Something_Smart but we'll wait.
In post 235, Tipsy wrote:yea idk why ur trustin chef here actualy clover.
Because Chef is clearly town and expressed interest in falling in with Clover?
I completely understand Clover tr Chef but not why he wants to trust fall him before Hyasaka flips. @Clover do you no longer think a Hayaska flip would “blow the game wide open”? I’m confused by this.
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Post #244 (isolation #39) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:05 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 242, Tipsy wrote:hey raven... what if.. i trust falled u rn.
hahaha jk
...unless...?
I’d like to stay and play at bit more, plus I’m only super confident right now on Chef, Clover to a lesser extent. I’m liking what I’m seeing from you so far but we’ll see.
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Post #247 (isolation #40) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:21 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 245, Tipsy wrote:xD sorry the unless part is just a silly joke! a classic jape. like, a thing u say when u ask ur crush out, but then ur like "omg i was jking, my friends stole my phone, omg jk not serious. ...unless?"
soooo what if i trusted dann? what would u say to THAT?
I’m not confident on either of you. In this type of setup, I’m slower than normal giving out confident reads.
Why would you tf Dann? And @Dann, would you accept a tf from Tipsy rn?
Chef is obvious and I have meta on Clover and while I obviously didn’t agree with his take on me, I liked the reasoning behind that and his other reads.
In post 222, Hayasaka wrote:Idk if I'd want to leave with Adorable myself =(
I think they read the bluff made by Chef so the entire interaction could have been faked from that exact moment.
This post looks like scum throwing shade and I recently had a scum player say something like this to me that is similar.
What was the context when you saw this happen recently?
A player said it looked like I town slipped and then a scum player said thinking it looked like I faked a town slip which was recently. On another of my completed games which was last year I gave a reads list and a scum player said it looked like I faked my reads. Whenever I see someone accusing a player faking something, it makes me think that player is scum throwing shade.
I think the “fake” thing is NIA but scum probably does this more than town. Sometimes it’s bad town who makes these kind of reads. But I can totally understand why you’d think a “fake townslip” read was scummy, because townslips are more often than not real.
In post 256, Hayasaka wrote:Tbh I think it's best I flip town, because I think Tipsy gets out of the dance before I do.
And I don't particularly want that to happen. =)
what?
I don’t get it either, especially since it looks like Clover/Chef will be trustfalling together anyway.
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Post #277 (isolation #46) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:37 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 267, Clover Ebi wrote:I don't get how you guys started to tr me when I didn't feel like I did anything really townie yet but here we are
I was in a game with you where you made those same kind of readslist and your reasoning behind it sounded like it was coming from a townie mindset. Now, you obviously have no idea who I am (and if anyone here does, please don’t out me) but if you did, you’d totally understand why I’m tr you here.
Hayasaka wrote:Dann is still town even though he is lurking, he should likely leave with Chef.
I'd pretend to break down the last part further but idk about the last 5 really...
Not tipsy I guess?
And Raven is the best looking. No idea on the other 3.
Raven best lookin why lawl
Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 272, Tipsy wrote:ok but... what does it tell u about hayasaka... raven pls.
I think his reaction to my pushback on him was townie and I see no reason to change my read on him.
jfc it's like trying to read a brick wall
I’m not great at explaining anything until later in the game. Btw, it’s interesting that adorable brought up that “fake” thing because I’ve frequently gotten accused of that in early game, another reason why I view that as NIA.
Is that why you put me at the bottom of your readslist in red? It does match my eyes (Raven’s that is - as RWBY fans will attest) but other than that what was the point of that?
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Post #300 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:58 pm
Postby Raven Branwen »
In post 297, Tipsy wrote:no, but i hoped u might say "well it wouldnt make much sense, so i might be a bit paranoid? i might scumread you a bit for it" or something to that effect with actual substance. but instead you were like "lol idk. maybe later (:"
As in “maybe later”, if I were to form a confident tr on you. I’m currently null, because I’m not really seeing how any of this is helpful?
Raven if you town read this post.
You should understand why never pretending to do this for me is why you can't town read tipsy.
B)
Inconsistencies on how you approach players, oh boi the towniest thing one can do
Oh yeah totally, that’s how I nailed scum in my last game but that was I think on D4 or 5. I tend to be pretty useless on D1 in most games but sometimes I get lucky.
I don’t tr him but I don’t see the scum motivation for it either. He is just really confusing to me. The one thing I do like is his tone but otherwise it’s weird.
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