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Okay, I'll have to do this based on your game and your plays
Can you talk me through the end of Day 1? everything that we were questioning you about (before Ali kept stopping us)
Also this post is automatically the worst post of the game because it's post number 2020♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Btw I haven't reread through that section recently so I can't remember what you have/haven't answered and I will do later, I just remember Ali getting in the way of questioning♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Old games do nothing for me, for many reasons that I listed before to Ali I don't bother looking into old games
I have a little bit of time so I'm gonna have a look through now♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Something I noticed when looking through, your first vote in RVS was on Ali
Ali mentioned earlier in their 'case study' against me that my first vote was Pisskop and thus is a reason why we're teamed, this could apply hereIn post 367, petapan wrote:okay so here's the plan: we're gonna kill the animes
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Alisae
we do this first, then we get hiraki, and then last we get nexus because i think he was nice to me, but rules are rules, the anime gotta go and then we win the game
Okay so here's bits of what we had issues with on the Day 1 vote:
When you jumped off of the vote there was very little time left in the day, all you did was unvote and didn't really say anything more. There was no defence, nothing saying "Hey I think Clarkbar is town, I don't have time to say why now but please don't hammer". Just simply an unvote.
Given how little time was left, the vote would've 100% been Clark without some form of counter. As I was told earlier on in Day 1 when I was trying to stop the Umlaut wagon, if you want to stop a wagon then you need to provide a counter, the fact that you didn't and nor did you slow down said wagon indicates that you were okay with said wagon. It felt more like you were trying to distance yourself from the wagon knowing that we would be looking at the voters of that wagon when it flipped town.
What makes it worse is that you jumped on a minute after the hammer was down to declare that you disagreed with the vote, meaning that either it's a hell of a coincidence or you were watching and if you were watching then you could've chimed in when Nexus voted.
Reading through Porkens makes a good point too, even if the cancel didn't go through, jumping off it without a counter could end the day in a no-cancel which is also good for scum
The next issue is:
If you're town, then who is scum on your wagon? Like Umlauts wagon and all of the cancels, I highly doubt we've got an all-town wagon on a townie. Pisskop could've very easily jumped on at some point.In post 775, Blair wrote:petapan(4) - CreativeMod1, Hiraki, Porkens, Umlaut
Umlaut(2) - Nexus, pisskop
Porkens(2) - petapan, AlisaeIn post 728, CreativeMod1 wrote:Btw, quick unofficial vote count:
Peta (3): Me, Hiraki, Porkens
Porkens (2): Peta, Ali
Umlaut (1): Nexus
Hiraki (1): Pisskop
Not Voting (1): Umlaut
So Peta is at C-2Right here is the perfect point where Pisskop could've jumped on the wagon and nobody would've said anything about it, an Ali/Pisskop team would've been in a perfect position because Ali could've gone for the "Oh look I was right, Peta was town" and Pisskop could've stayed hidden within all the other players who pushed for a Peta cancel
Looking through Day 2 I notice you use a lot of AtE language, saying how bad you feel for the cancel on Clark and how you wish you'd done more to stop it and if only you had more time
Day 3 you spend a lot of time telling us to cancel you and it's super LAMIST and again its AtE (see guys I'm learning my acronyms ) Like nobody is gonna cancel the guy who keeps telling them to cancel them in order to prove a point, I don't see why asking to be canceled as a townie is helpful to the town, therefore it could be a scum play to look town knowing that nobody is gonna follow through with it and if someone does then you can maybe make a push somewhere instead.
Okay I think I'm done for now, but yeah this is a case about you personally, ignoring everything in relation to Ali because any interaction with Ali could be Ali trying to discredit a town.♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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I am reading what you're saying but it's not just me who had those same views about you when it happened. A major reason why I'm bringing it back up is because I feel like that investigation against you went unresolved and I'm trying to resolve it...admittedly it's not your fault it went unresolved, it's Ali jumping in and trying to stop our questioning and then their claim
Okay so what about your Day 2 and Day 3 stuff that I brought up.
What's up with all the AtE stuff you did on Day 2 and why on earth did you try to get us to cancel you on Day 3.
Especially given that your point of wanting to be canceled on Day 3 was to say that if you flip town then we must use it as a message to trust Ali, something which you're now going back on today, you now don't trust Ali
Lets imagine that you are town and we decided to go along with your plan, we would've auto-lost because a) we would've lost a townie and lost our last mis-cancel and b) we would've done it on the basis that we must now trust Ali who is now obv scum and thus Ali would now be leading to town into a town cancel and we'd lose
Please explain how asking to be canceled is in any way town motivated
pre-edit: The reason why your actions are being scrutinised is because you asked for it, you said to treat things as if Pisskop is a bot who can't answer and thus base my decision on you.
I looked through the quotes you gave for PK and there wasn't a lot in there that screamed scum to me and you saying now about PK changing his views is so little, like come on, you've changed your views many times♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Also just saying that whilst yes I do have a scum read on you and yes I'm interrogating you
I haven't made up my mind yet about you and I will want to hear Hiraki and Porkens views on the matter♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Oh and I get that you hadn't responded to my first post when I made my second post saying but what about Day 2 and 3, I just wanted to make these points extra clear♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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It's less about you apologizing and more about the fact that you kept going on about it and really trying to make us feel sorry for youIn post 2033, petapan wrote:none of the talk about clarkbar was meant to be persuasive, i felt legitimately bad about my tunnel on him and not saying enough to stop the vote. i guess as a town player i should never apologize for when i make a mistake? (but of course, you've never been wrong, i take it). the behavior is null at worst.In post 567, petapan wrote: literally the exact posts before i unvoted, he towntold hard and i feel like shit for misreading him and i feel like double shit because I GUESS i did not communicate well enough that i changed my mind by just posting an unvote and that is on meIn post 584, petapan wrote:you are right that i failed to communicate my feelings effectively, that was a mistake. i feel fucking terrible about it! that said i'm not sure why you believe this was an attempt to garner towncred after driving the wagon hard myself. what is unvoting without saying anything supposed to earn me? you are wrong but it's okay.
Here's 3 examples of what I meanIn post 703, petapan wrote:it happened, i don't know what to tell you. i saw the posts saying it was staged (which was ???), tabbed, was looking at other things, came back and refreshed and it was hammered. that's the truth of it. i wish i had communicated more clearly but i was still mulling it over in my head. i guess i should have been more attentive too but can't really change that now, that's just a lesson for future games.
Also rereading that quote, if you saw the posts saying that it was staged, why not question it at the time? why not respond then and say why you unvoted?
Also in response to your other statement, when I play IRL my reads are generally pretty bang on, to the point that I'm usually first killed in the night if there isn't a better target for the bad guys (such as someone who has softed a PR) I play by logic and watching peoples actions.
You've got to at least admit that the points I'm making about your game are valid, like okay yes I'm new to MS playstyles and everything but in my eyes a lot of what you've done just doesn't add up for town, maybe I'm wrong but I'm just struggling to see it and I'm sorry if I am wrong, like truly sorry to ruin the game, if I've fucked over the town then yeah I'll take this as a learning step that things are much more different here then elsewhere but everything tells me that this is the right vote, it's you and Ali as a team.
Also I feel validated because especially everything that happened Day 1, everyone else (who are pretty much confirmed town) were agreeing with me in what I was saying, Porkens and Hiraki were both saying the same things and making the same arguments and whilst I may be new they are not and they would know better than me.♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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I'm happy to take things slow and think about things and I value your opinion here.
Whilst I've made my opinions quite clear and yes I interrogated Peta to share these opinions, there's no I in team, I'm happy to listen to everyone else and what they feel
Porkens in a Hiraki/PK team, who shoots Nexus and why?♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Anyways, I'm off to bed now.
Peta if you really are town then I'm sorry I've been so hard on you, I will listen to the others in this matter, heck I stepped off from Ali day 1 to listen to everyone else, I stepped off of you Day 2 to make sure that everyone views could be heard
I'm not a monster who won't listen to the rest of the team. I have my views and opinions and yes I'll probably argue them but I'll also let others argue their points
Also finally, yes you're a bigger scum read for me than PK and have been the whole day, the only reason why I said that I was 50/50 about it is because I wanted you to engage me in conversation, I wanted to either be proved wrong in what you're saying or to find more to nitpick and catch you out on♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Ouch, despite the fact that Hiraki and Porkens were making the same points on Day 2, oh but because the noob made them too then they're the worst arguments you've ever seen, ah okay, thanksIn post 2041, petapan wrote:
no, none of what you have said is remotely valid, you arguments are some of the worst i have ever seen.In post 2038, CreativeMod1 wrote:You've got to at least admit that the points I'm making about your game are valid♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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In post 2041, petapan wrote:no, none of what you have said is remotely valid, you arguments are some of the worst i have ever seen.In post 2036, petapan wrote:i wonder what the ethical thing to do here is when you've sapped my will to fightIn post 2045, petapan wrote:don't bother apologizing to me. i'm done. no interest in speaking to you.In post 2049, petapan wrote:my only issue is that i feel like the end of day yesterday strongly anti-aligns cm1 with pisskop and porkens so i don't know what to do there, at all, but i'm sort of about to throw in the towel because i'm sick of himIn post 2086, petapan wrote:alisae i don't care if you're scum anymore. cm1 has tilted meIn post 2127, petapan wrote:yes, i literally gave up because i got sick of arguing with creativemod1 and attempted to throw the game against him
Ya'know what, fuck this game wtf is your problem, IT IS A FUCKING GAME!!! STOP GETTING SO FUCKING PERSONAL!!! You and ali deserve each other!In post 2136, petapan wrote:i'm still upset you hammered umlaut and not that prick though
Honestly, I feel real fucking welcome into this community so thank you so fucking much.
From what I gathered this game is about scum hunting, it's about finding things you think are suspicious and pointing them out and nitpicking about them so that's what I did, I found you and Ali suspicious with lots of things that pinged me saying that what you did was odd and yeah I nitpicked about it and I made a case about why I feel like you're scum.
Personally I feel like the points I've made are valid points, the things I've pointed out are things that make you scum. Yes we spoke about them on Day 2 but we didn't get a conclusion from that because of Ali's JK claim, we are now in the endgame, we are now at the point where we need to get scum so yes I brought it back up as part of my case for why I think you're scum.
In reply to the talk about this, lol I wasn't warming up to you, I just wanted to see if you'd bus your partner or if you'd try to keep it on the PK v Peta vote. I didn't want to say that at the time because if you felt like I was townreading you then maybe you would bus your partner easier (and yes I know that you've said that you think Ali is scum but wanting to vote off PK IS saving Ali, whether you see it that way or not)In post 1992, CreativeMod1 wrote:I think Ali makes the most sense, like I'm 100% sure Ali is scum
I know that it must be Porkens or Ali and between them all of Porkens actions have made sense and everything Ali has done makes 0 sense
Peta I'm slowly warming up to you but if you try to sway things away from Ali more then it's making it harder to not see you guys as a pair
Look, I'm sold on where I think scum is and nothing you or Ali say is gonna make me change my mind on that because if you're scum then yeah you'd be trying to save yourself. However Porkens and Hiraki can probably make me think twice and I'm welcome to opinions from them
Reading over things, Porkens makes a very good point that there were 2 people on his wagon for quite sometime, if Porkens was town and the 2 people on his wagon were town then that would mean that scum could've hammered there which leads back again to it being either Porkens or Ali (again looking at the Clark vote then we can see that unless it was an all-town vote 1 of those 2 are scum...or me but I know I'm not scum)
Also now that we have a PK replacement (thanks Not_Mafia) I think our best thing to do is to go for the Porkens v Ali cancel, focus on that and watch what NM does and learn from it, see if NM does anything scummy♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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CM1's unoffical votecount 3
There's been a few changes of votes and at this stage in the game I think it's extremely important that we keep up with the vote count otherwise we could have an quick hammer
Porkens (1) - Hiraki
Alisae (1) - CreativeMod1♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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The other thing btw Peta is that whilst you may feel like I haven't considered other options, I have, I've thought a lot about other potential partnerships and I don't see it as strongly as I see you and Ali (I see you and Ali as both being scum both independently and as a pair)
Porkens: There was a lot of softs for his claim during Day 2 and his reaction to Ali's claim checks out
Hiraki: I don't see why Hiraki would kill Nexus or why anyone would kill Nexus also who would Hiraki's partner be? It'd be impossible to be Ali due to Night 1 claims, I can't see it being Porkens because there'd be a lot of unnecessary bussing right now when they could easily just win the game by voting Ali here, PK/NM and you, it'd mean that vote 1 was an all-town vote
PK/NM: This one is harder due to how little PK said and I hope that NM can help here but going back to yesterday, a lot of arguments in town and then suddenly a flip onto PK based on them just not being around, going for an easy cancel is only helpful to maf imo, especially if our last miscancel gives us 0 information, partner can't be you or Hiraki cos of the Clark vote so that leaves Porkens or Ali
Like the solve is either Ali/Peta or Ali/NM
Oh btw Hiraki I have a question for you in terms of Ali, what do you make of Ali's Day 3 claim of why they locked up Porkens? The claim was that they did it to protect someone who they think is town. At that point in the game Ali had no way of knowing that a doc was in the game and as such surely they would need to be using their powers to try to protect themselves, like Mafia keeping the JK alive is so risky because it is so powerful, why wouldn't mafia shoot there and why wouldn't Ali protect themselves by targeting someone they believed to be scummy♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Yes I am considering the possibility of Ali/NM and it is in the back of my mind but the case against you is just so much stronger that I can't ignore it♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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So hang on...you believe that Ali is scum, you've been pushing for Ali/NM being a team........but now you're saying that you don't think they're a team???
How are my arguments scummy? Porkens thinks it's you and Ali, is that why you were voting Porkens earlier?
Oh I see, this is just simply a massive OMGUS, realise that you can't fool me and thus I must be scum (despite the fact that you yourself said that I'm confirmed town based on mechanics)♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Actually in all seriousness that is a good point
You were 100% massively on the Ali is scum train to the point of saying that the game is won or lost based on who we cancel as Alis partner
But yet now you're on the Porkens wagon?
Okay so here you're absolutely adamant that Ali is scum and there's nothing that would change your mind on itIn post 2000, petapan wrote:
i have been adamant that i scumread alisae and am extremely unlikely to change my mind. it's also true than an ali-scum word means one of me or pisskop is scum. i want that to be the debate, and he keeps trying to handcuff me to alisae for even raising the subject. i would be absolutely flipping the fuck out on him all over again if i weren't near certain he mechanically has to be townIn post 1998, Porkens wrote:This is going to take a while.
P edit: Creative, can you point out where peta is trying to sway away from alisae?
In post 2068, Porkens wrote:Disagree. That’s only if you don’t believe scum would shoot nexus.
Here you're saying that you don't possibly see Porkens being scumIn post 2069, petapan wrote:if ur scum im literally going to hand the game to you
But then here, you're voting Porkens because? idkIn post 2106, petapan wrote:
that was a fake voteNot_Mafia wrote:You’re having a lot of emotions very quickly
VOTE: porkens
this one is real
It could be that you tried to find a way out with PK and now that NM has replaced in and me and Porkens don't trust you, you feel like you can't win that battle and so you're trying to win the other battle of Ali v Porkens♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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So you're trying to throw? If you're actually town then wtf?
Like there's just no logic to anything you've done.
Honestly, if I'm wrong here then I don't even feel bad about it, i stand by my reads about you and Ali and I'm not even sorry about it anymore, you've dug yourself into this hole and from what I see you're voting Porkens to try to save your team in a quick emotional lapse of judgement and it's backfired, I don't believe that you or anyone would just throw the game like that because it's just childish and immature and you shouldn't play if you're gonna throw games♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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I'm a jokerIn post 2177, petapan wrote:i've become the joker
I'm a smoker
I'm a midnight toker
I get my lovin' on the run
Ooh, whoo, ooh, whoo
I don't believe that you're just giving up, I'd like to think that nobody would just give up
You're just getting desperate as scum because nothing is working♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Welp this has been a productive day...
As I head to sleep soon, I shall leave you all with a couple of questions because we need to sort out a solve here...
1) Who do you think are partners together
2) Who do you think is most likely to be scum
Hopefully with some answers we can get an idea on where we should vote, I'd also like to hear some views from NM if he's read through the game, a fresh set of eyes could be helpful♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Lol so it's a bad thing for me to try and get people to vote for who I think is scum?
And apparently is someone you think is scum too?♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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sorry you couldn't whine your way into getting people to believe you're town?♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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I was dead set on not letting a player cause us to lose because they wasn't thereIn post 52, CreativeMod1 wrote:You guys talk a lot in like 24 hours haha
Tbh I'm here for the dino memes and nothing else
Okay imagine for a second that you're at miscancel/lose and there's 1 player who has done literally nothing all game and it's not because they're hiding or anything, it's because they just don't care and it's decided that we cancel that player... That player flips town and we lose the game
We play a game for ages and we lose because someone decided not to play, how shit is that? That's what I'm trying to avoid and yes I completely understand the argument from the other side of: a scum not bothering to play ends up winning the game because they've done nothing... That too would be a shit outcome
Both outcomes are shit. The difference is, I'm looking at the alternatives and seeing whether in my eyes I feel like they are scum, if I had felt that everyone else was town then yeah I'd go back to the silent guy but I have 2 players who I feel are scum and those are my reads
Now then, you can give it all the defeatist "oh I give up, I'm sick of being a town who has a town scum reading me" but frankly I've seen that argument fool players before
I once played in a game where someone got caught out as being scum, they then claimed to be a 3rd party role anti-scum role who needs to stay hidden in order to win (they win if they're killed by scum) went off on this massive thing of "oh what's the point, I give up, I've lost the game so what's the point" and town was sympathetic to said player and kept them alive... Get to the endgame and turns out that player was scum all along and everyone had fallen for their act.
What you're doing is reminding me of that act.
As for why I want your vote against Ali is because you say that you don't trust Ali and you think Ali is scum but I don't think you'd follow through with it because you're their partner. It was a bit of a reaction test, see whether you'd push back or go along with it
What you've got to remember is at the time I have nothing to go off when it comes to you v PK, so yes I've got to interrogate you, it's the only thing I can do, if PK was around more than I would interrogate them♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Lol, now we have the omgusIn post 2192, petapan wrote:yes. suddenly the way he talked about that slot started making sense, how he just automatically calls it town for not engaging with the game, why he kept threatening me to vote for alisae while at the same time calling me scum and trying to deflect away from reading in me/pk - there's no reason for a town player to not try to read there but tactically it's much more preferable for scum to get the jailkeeper voted and guarantee a win.
I love how it's down as your last option because its really the only card you can play at this point
PK has been replaced by someone whose gonna be active
Porkens you can't attack because it'd be clear that you are choosing Ali over him
Hiraki you can't attack because if Hiraki is scum then it's proven that Ali is town (based on Night 1 events) and again you can't show yourself to be siding with Ali
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Also oh look whose defending Ali again
Ya know, the same Ali who caused all 3 town cancels?
The one who lol hammered Clark despite being the only one who saw that you were trying to save Clark
The one who pulled a wagon off of you on Day 2 and then led a cancel on Nexus
The one who quick hammered on Umlaut on Day 3 because 2 people had left votes on from days and days ago
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Look I get you're in a tough position, you had everyone else set as Town except from PK and the town thinks that you're scummier than PK so you gotta find a way to protect yourself♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Let's compare shall weIn post 2199, Alisae wrote:You also mislynched 3 town
Clarkbar: I voted here because a) I trusted Umlaut and they were on this wagon b) Clark had said somethings that didn't sit right with me c) All the other wagons were dying and I kept getting told that it was pointless being on a wagon with very few votes
You voted Clarkbar because? Lol it was funny?
Nexus: you literally led this cancel based on your 'information'
Umlaut: I voted here to apply pressure on someone who started acting scummy and admittedly to save my own ass, but at the time I didn't realise that there was already 2 votes here, I was expecting you wanted to grill him and question him and wanted to have at least a couple of votes on him to apply pressure
You quick hammered on him without anything, not even giving him a chance to defend himself or anything
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I think he's saying he thinks it's me and PK/NMIn post 2200, Porkens wrote:
Peta sorry who is your scum team read at the moment?In post 2195, petapan wrote:lol you were dead set on saving a partner by making excuses for him
Here's the thing, yesterday, if I was teamed with PK is it really worth saving him and putting myself under fire?
PK would've been dead weight, it wouldn't have been worth it, I had more than enough town credit to ride the rest of the game, I'd get PK canceled yesterday, kill Ali during the night (there's no why they'd save me, they've said it plenty of times) and I doubt Porkens would save Ali
Then it'd leave me at 5 with scummy players that rest of town saw as scummy such as Peta and Umlaut and technically due to an Ali town flip, nobody would've been clear♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Also another thing, if I was scum then I'd have a much easier win here today, I wouldn't be so hard on 2 players, I'd see which cancel would be the easiest and get that through and then random luck that the night killer isn't jailed
There'd be much easier paths to victory then the one I'd currently be on, heck I could probably sit back today and let town destroy each other♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Because even if the night killer is jailed then again there's so much discourse in this town that it wouldn't be too hard to get through at 5 players♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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You wanna attack me and call me scum then give actual good logic for it, explain why I'm scum other than the fact that I've called you out as being scum
Explain who I'd kill on Night 1 and why, who I'd kill on night 2 and why and night 3
Explain why I defend Umlaut when I could've gotten an easy cancel day 1, explain why i put myself at the front of a lot of arguments when I could just as easily hide in the back♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Lol, rich coming from youIn post 2207, Alisae wrote:
and then you get called out for your reads not being consistentIn post 2205, CreativeMod1 wrote:I'd see which cancel would be the easiest and get that through and then random luck that the night killer isn't jailed
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Wow you just can't stop with the personal attacks can you?In post 2211, Alisae wrote:your avatar is rly scummy btw♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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What about last night confirms its not Ali/NM?In post 2210, petapan wrote:
cm1/n_m. that's weird as fuck, i know, but i think last night confirmed to me it's not alisae and n_m? i understand why hiraki feels like you've been weird today at times but you've had a few times this game where you've just been believably town, being paranoid alisae was trying to play an audacious scum game and rub it in our face with how much e got away with was exactly what i was thinking heading into today. like as i've said before you come across as a town player who has wound up considering wildly unlikely scenarios due to difficulty solving the game, and not someone forcing an agenda. i wouldn't want to backtrack on what i thought was a towntell from cm1 butIn post 2200, Porkens wrote:
Peta sorry who is your scum team read at the moment?In post 2195, petapan wrote:lol you were dead set on saving a partner by making excuses for himnothing else makes sense.
+ EOD yesterday means you definitely aren't teamed with CM1, i think. i guess i can't rule out n_m + you for any strong reason but it looks far less likely to me
Also love how the 2 Scummest people are teaming up to take on the player who both of them massively town read, despite the fact that both of these 2 players both scum read each other♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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50/50 like the wagon on him was really weird but I felt like since then he hadn't really done a lot of scum hunting, more of just jumping on thingsIn post 2215, Porkens wrote:CM, numerically, how confident were you that Umlaut was scum?
I wanted to question him more like I've been doing with Ali and Peta but that was ripped away from me♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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If I wanted to remove the 'jail keep' from the game then I'd just kill Ali in the night, regardless of how scummy they act, a jail keep is too strong♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Again your both dodging the big questions here, if I was scum then who would my night kills be?
In fact now that I think about it, killing me on night 2 would be perfect for both of you, not just Ali because I've been hard against both of you and you could tell already that I'm someone who stands by their reads and you knew that I was dangerous to keep alive♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Means nothing, both you and Hiraki were both around and talking to, if 1 of them voted and either of you unvoted then they'd be caught outIn post 2220, petapan wrote:
i had my vote up on porkens for a good 30 minutes while alisaeand n_m were posting, because i was fully tapped out and did not care anymore, the game was 100% a loss if you were town. they did not hammer. don't try to argue that to me now because there's no point.In post 2216, CreativeMod1 wrote:What about last night confirms its not Ali/NM?
Also love how the 2 Scummest people are teaming up to take on the player who both of them massively town read, despite the fact that both of these 2 players both scum read each other
yeah suddenly i realized the guy with the constant bad reasoning to scumread me who treats nothing i say in good faith isn't a stubborn moron but someone who is trying to push a mislynch to win the game, who would have thought
Also that's great and all but it also could've been a setup... You vote for Porkens, and have Ali there waiting, if NM votes Porkens then Ali can move in for another one of their quick hammers♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Also I find it funny that this argument of yours hinges on the fact that you voted for one of your biggest town reads because you wanted to throw the game♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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What's an irrelevant question?In post 2223, petapan wrote:no that's an irrelevant question fuck off♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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If you're saying that me asking about my night kills is an irrelevant question then I really don't see how it's irrelevant
Like hasn't that been the basis of a lot of arguments? Saying certain people must be town or scum because they would/wouldn't make certain kills♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Also going back, okay you've got your reason as to why you've gone from Ali being scum and me being town to Ali being town and me being scum
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So whilst I feel quite strongly about my reads, I do want to make sure that I listen to others who I trust and use that to help make sure I don't make the wrong move. Could you please explain to me why you think it's Porkens...also could you explain what you feel is wrong about my reads? And what makes you think Ali is town?In post 2229, Hiraki wrote:
I'm pretty sure gamesolve is in Porkens/PK/Peta. Peta is there moreso as a third option just so it looks more complete and I don't trust myself this game as much as I did before.In post 2187, Not_Mafia wrote:Hiraki what are your reads?
CM1's arguments are not very convincing. Just a general note.
Also if Porkens is scum then that means Nexus was attacked night one, could you explain why you think Porkens would want to attack Nexus night 1
Day 1: Not a massive read on Ali to start with, tbh Day 1 doesn't make a lot of sense for me with some of these types of games because there's literally nothing to go on, nobody has any information so everything here was weak and I was just trying to find something that felt odd. My vote on Ali didn't mean a lot, more just to add some pressure and hope that if a wagon formed then something could happen and we could learn something. As I said when I changed my vote, I had been planning on moving away from Ali for a while but didn't want to unvote without a new vote because I did find what they said about Umlaut to be a bit oddIn post 2234, Porkens wrote:@CM1 thank you. How would you describe the progression on your read on alisae from day 1 to today?
Day 2: My read on Ali got bigger, to start off with their lol hammer didn't sit right, especially after they said that they felt that Peta's unvote was a sign that they thought Clark was a town but this got worse when Ali kept trying to stop me from questioning things, like fair if Ali thinks that Peta is town but the only way for us to truly scum hunt is question things we think are scummy. Ali's claim to being JK made me worried a little bit but I figured that I would go along with it as the rest of the town had and we didn't have any other information to go off
Day 3: Ali's claim for jailing Porkens and why they picked him just didn't make sense, this is where I started to really want to push towards Ali but alas there wasn't enough of other people who felt the same way so it dropped off, I let my guard down with Ali at the end of the day and I hoped we'd learn something by how they talked to Umlaut after I voted, I didn't expect the hammer at all
Day 4: Well at this point my read on Ali has shot up, they've done so many scummy things that just don't make sense, they've been in control of the town the whole game and so I pushed hard on Ali. The hammer on Umlaut without so much of a conversation was crazy.
So for starters if Ali is scum then Hiraki must be town, it's impossible otherwise and I'm pretty sold on Ali being scum (but I'll listen to what Hiraki thinks here about Porkens)In post 2232, Porkens wrote:@Alisae, Peta, CM1
Why do you townread Hikari? I’m not asking you to scumread him, I want to understand your reasons to help me sort him.
As for Hiraki themselves, if we look at night actions as it's been pointed out to me...why would Hiraki kill Nexus? (see I do learn some things) Like why would anyone kill Nexus? it's surely got to be that Hiraki was attacked.
My town read on Hiraki comes a lot from their early game, but I'll have a look through their ISO to confirm this read.
Oh also as I'd stated previously, nearly every partner combo is pretty much impossible
In post 2164, CreativeMod1 wrote: Hiraki: I don't see why Hiraki would kill Nexus or why anyone would kill Nexus also who would Hiraki's partner be? It'd be impossible to be Ali due to Night 1 claims, I can't see it being Porkens because there'd be a lot of unnecessary bussing right now when they could easily just win the game by voting Ali here, PK/NM and you, it'd mean that vote 1 was an all-town vote
Can I ask, what happens if we're in a complete deadlock? like as a town we can't decide on someone to cancel and so don't cancel anyone and then if Mafia refuse to kill in the night? like what happens if that cycle continues over and over? this is probably aIn post 2239, petapan wrote:ftr porkens that frustration vote from earlier no longer applies, i'm not voting you again today, ever. too manyreasons to not think you are scum. i think we're probably going to end up at a deadlock. game's not lost yet although i was sure for a while it was@MODquestion but yeah♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Hiraki/Ali is impossible (unless scum no-killed night 1)In post 2247, Porkens wrote:
I’m fuzzy on the last half of this. Remind me why they could easily win the game at that moment if hikari were scum?In post 2244, CreativeMod1 wrote:who would Hiraki's partner be? It'd be impossible to be Ali due to Night 1 claims, I can't see it being Porkens because there'd be a lot of unnecessary bussing right now when they could easily just win the game by voting Ali here, PK/NM and you, it'd mean that vote 1 was an all-town vote
Hiraki/Porkens would be crazy bussing when they could easily jump on Ali wagon here which I'm on and for a long time Peta was on and thus have the win easily there
Hiraki/PK would mean that the first vote was an all-town vote against Clarkbar, which I highly doubt
Hiraki/Peta would again mean that the first vote was all-town
Hiraki/Me well I know my alignment but again I would've gotten them to jump on the Ali wagon and we'd win easy as both Porkens and Peta would be up for that, and if Peta wanted to make the vote Peta v PK then I would've just let that happen and not be fussed on which side of that vote wins♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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VOTE: No-Cancel
I agree that I think this is probably our best thing to do right now, force the mafia into making a kill and yeah, I think I can see why you'd say no save because otherwise it could force us into being forced to cancel tomorrow when we're still at a stuck point♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Wait, wtf!
Ali, don't play in a game with me again, if as a town you actually think it's acceptable to say some of the things you've said this game to me then no, I don't want to see you again.
Fuck, I'm so lost, I was so sure of Ali and its completely thrown off my whole game, I'm going to back to sleep, don't wanna live in a reality where Ali is town.
Okay we gotta make sure that we be extremely careful on votes here, only vote if you're 100% confident that a person is Mafia otherwise if you're wrong then Mafia can jump on the votes and quick hammer to victory
I have a question before I sleep though, Porkens you seemed to also be on the anti-Ali train yesterday... Why did you protect them during the night on night 3?
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Hiraki, could you please explain to me your reads about Porkens and your reads on why I was wrong about Ali/Peta (I mean obviously I know now I was wrong about Ali but I still don't understand it and I don't understand their whole game)♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Oh My God U Suck, you're literally attacking me now because you've got nowhere else to go also I love how the person who yesterday said not to vote quickly is now voting quickly
Or maybe I tunneled Ali because they were damn scummy, I was suspicious of them Day 1 before I knew they were JK, I was suspicious of them Day 2 when they kept defending you before they claimed JK, I let it go for a bit during the end of Day 2 after they claimed, I was suspicious during Day 3 when there was a doc claim and Ali's actions didn't add up and then I was massively suspicious during Day 4 after their actions at the end of Day 3 were crazy.In post 2279, petapan wrote:wonder if the guy who tunneled the town jailkeeper all game and tried to get them removed is scum
tough thought
And whilst yes I went hard against Ali, I feel I had good reason to do so, also I wasn't the only one who was suspicious of Ali and wanted their cancel, Porkens and you were suspicious of Ali, so don't turn this all onto me
Why would I shoot Ali? Like seriously, if I was scum all I'd need is 1 vote against a townie at this point and it wouldn't matter which townie and there was more than enough in-fighting to make that happen easily. my best shot would be Hiraki and then it'd be easy to win somewhere with Porkens v Ali.In post 2280, petapan wrote:does alisae ever get shot in any universe where this guy is town? no. 0% chance.
I think I know who would shoot Ali, Porkens...He knows that shooting Hiraki would make him look really bad so can't shoot there and he needs to take some heat off of him so his only shot it Ali and he can use that to a) turn town against me and b) have less people against him
After the way I've played this game? hahahahahahahaha, that's so rich, honestly this game has been so toxic and I'm furious at the way I've been treated by mainly Ali and a bit yourself...I can ensure you that my emotions towards Ali are not fakeIn post 2281, petapan wrote:faking that emotion toward alisae is also fucking disgusting after the way he's played this entire game
Okay so, lets say that I'm scum. we're still yet to have an answer to: Why would I kill Hiraki/Nexus? Why would I kill Porkens? Why would I kill PK? (Or, before you say it, why would I send PK to make the kill) Why would I throw myself under suspicion to save PK? Why would I tunnel so much on someone when there's plenty of options for an easy win? Heck yesterday I could've easily joined in the Porkens vote, killed off porkens and then made a night kill and win the game.
Apparently these are irrelevant questions but surely they're the most important ones?In post 2223, petapan wrote:no that's an irrelevant question fuck off♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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In post 2286, petapan wrote:you deserved everything in the way you've been treated and more. you played in a deliberate attempt to wind alisae up and get em to rage. you have been one of the most singularly unpleasant personalities i have ever had to deal with, and that is putting it diplomatically. the innocent act won't do it for me. if you're town you should be begging for me to unvote you.
Ah yes, I definitely deserved this, you're so right.In post 1436, Alisae wrote:like this is how scum just turns off their brain and tunnels someone until they die
but CM1 NOOOOOOOOO THAT SLOT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE SCUM, THEY'RE TOO FUCKING TOWNIE
literal definition of trash player
has the worst possible reads and gets people to act upon them
Don't play again
if you do stick to the newbie queue, thats where you fucking belong
pedit: No vote me get me out of this dogshit game
Do yourself a favour and reread the comments leading up to when Ali said this, see that I wasn't the only person who was pushing against Ali at the time but yet, Ali made a personal attack against me. So yes I am pissed off and I have every right to be and this wasn't anywhere near the start of it.
Why can't you see that forgetting the game, this was a horrible thing for Ali to say, why can't you see why I'm so pissed off about it? Oh it's because I was suspicious of you too and so therefore you think it's fine to treat me like shit?
Is that how things work on MS, if someone thinks you scum you have every right to treat them like shit? It's open season for insults.
Here's a lesson for next time you play with a newer player DON'T TREAT THEM LIKE SHIT!!! Everyone is allowed to make mistakes and have wrong reads but treating them like shit for it isn't going to help them, insulting them for their reads isn't going to make them change. I stopped caring about what you and Ali had to say a long time ago because half of what you're both saying is just insulting.
And also, this has been going on from right at the start of the game, Hiraki called it out at the start of Day 2, long before I started tunnelling Ali
I had even asked nicely for Ali to stop treating me like shit early game, saying something that I felt like was them putting me downIn post 621, Hiraki wrote:u also treated him like shit the whole game so....................
And the response was another insultIn post 591, CreativeMod1 wrote:Please stop saying HELLO?????? to me, it feels like you're treating me like I'm stupid, just because I have different views to you does not make me stupid
At the end of the day it's better to question things then to just let it slide, I would rather question something and be proved wrong then to not question something and let scum get away with it
This happened on Page 3 of the second day....please tell me what I had done by that point to deserve this? At that point I was questioning you for your actions at the end of Day 1, along with other members of the town...but yet again Ali made it personal and attacked me.In post 592, Alisae wrote:its a terrible take that shows your lack of understanding of the game
You're saying that I've done stuff to wind Ali up? Please show me where before this comment I have done stuff to wind Ali up? I think you'll find that Ali has been winding me up all game and everything I have said and done is in retaliation to all of it
Regardless of who is scum in game here, what Ali said to me all throughout game is horrible and I'm pissed off about it and I have been pissed off about it all game long and frankly the only reasons I haven't replaced out is because 1) This game has had enough replacements and I didn't wanna do that to the mod 2) Given this is my first game back on MS, I didn't want to be shown as someone who quits games.♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Right, rant over, back to the game
Plenty of time but yet you didn't answer my questions.In post 2284, petapan wrote:there was plenty of time for discussion yesterday. the flip does not change my views significantly and i want to force a 1v1 before anyone else votes. if i am wrong i accept that responsibility.
The funny thing here is that you call me out as being scum but yet you're not really saying anything to back it up, your whole reasoning hinges on the fact that I called you scum, you fail to actually find anything wrong with most of my game and the only thing you can find is the fact that I tunneled you and Ali...I still feel like I had good reason to tunnel Ali for their actions but you'll notice that near the end of yesterday I was actually starting to think about things and was willing to listen to Hiraki's opinions about Ali v Porkens. I know and recognise that a lot of my tunnelling on Ali was from being so pissed off with them and how they treated me because I couldn't see a townie talking like that.
But okay, you wanna make it a 1v1, I laid out a massive case for why you're scum yesterday, stuff that's independent of an Ali flip but you still fail to answer why I'd make certain night kills
I think you'll find that I did give a moment of pause, the first thing I did was ask someone else about their reads and why my reads were wrongIn post 2285, petapan wrote:you would think being devastatingly, cripplingly wrong in your sole focused scumread for the entire game would giver a moment of pause and yet there is none
i wonder why that isIn post 2272, CreativeMod1 wrote:Hiraki, could you please explain to me your reads about Porkens and your reads on why I was wrong about Ali/Peta (I mean obviously I know now I was wrong about Ali but I still don't understand it and I don't understand their whole game)♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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You felt Ali was over the line....but yet I deserve everything? Hmm which is it?In post 2292, petapan wrote:the anger directed toward you there was because they didn't think you were scum. i felt alisae was over the line and tried to get em to stop, but that is largely irrelevant now. i don't condone the things e said but don't care for you trying to act innocent. i have been uncommonly restrained in my dealing with you and tried to play as diplomatically as possible because i felt it would be unfair to unload on someone who is just trying to get back into games. i held back until it became clear that you were ignoring everything i had to say and were actively lying about my own actions in-thread while trying to intimidate me into voting for alisae. this game your persistent repetitive tunnelvision, incredibly poor arguments, and general lack of receptiveness to points made by others have been uniquely aggravating beyond all else. i suspect this was strategy on your part, that you are not dense or dumb but chose to play into that role to appear town, but either way you need to actually own up to how you've played.
Also how have I lied about your actions.
Why? because you noticed at the end of the day yesterday that I was actually starting to listen to Hiraki, that I was asking Hiraki for his reads and you were probably worried that Hiraki could be the only person who'd get through to meIn post 2293, petapan wrote:i don't need to actively put reasoning, if you think i'm scum you need to explain why i kill alisae if you're both town. good luck with that one.
The other thing is that given how you started going against me yesterday, you probably felt that I was more inclined to vote for you over Ali and so you hoped that an Ali kill would make me think about the gamestate and make me rethink you.
Also Ali makes sense as the kill for literally everyone, given that Porkens said that they wasn't gonna doc, if a kill gets blocked Night 4 then it must've been due to Ali and we know due to the rules stated yesterday that Mafia either had to attempt a kill Night 3 or kill Night 4, if there wasn't a kill last night then Ali must've been the cause of no kill on 1 of those 2 nights (If Mafia no-killed last night then they must've attempted to kill on Night 3, a blocked kill on Night 3 was either due to Ali's JK or from Porkens protecting Ali) thus clearing Ali as being town. I might have tons of suspicions about Ali but I'm not stupid enough to ignore when someone gets mechanically cleared.
If Mafia tried to kill outside of Ali then it risks the kill being blocked as they wouldn't know who Ali would've jailed
Maybe you just didn't read what I said so I'll quote it again...In post 2294, petapan wrote:again, if you were town, i would expect there to be at leastslightmoment of pause, some reconsideration of "wow, i was horribly wrong, i need to re-think what i'm doing this game", but, nope, nada, no rethinking at all, just back to the other read i've been riding all game, surely this one can't be wrong too
This quote is literally me re-thinking the whole game, me asking Hiraki why my reads were wrong because obviously I had gotten it wrong about Ali and therefore could've been wrong about you tooIn post 2291, CreativeMod1 wrote:
I think you'll find that I did give a moment of pause, the first thing I did was ask someone else about their reads and why my reads were wrongIn post 2285, petapan wrote:you would think being devastatingly, cripplingly wrong in your sole focused scumread for the entire game would giver a moment of pause and yet there is none
i wonder why that isIn post 2272, CreativeMod1 wrote:Hiraki, could you please explain to me your reads about Porkens and your reads on why I was wrong about Ali/Peta (I mean obviously I know now I was wrong about Ali but I still don't understand it and I don't understand their whole game)
The only thing that I said against yourself before you made this claim that I'm not rereading the game was saying that you put down an OMGUS vote, because your whole reasoning to think I'm scum is because I thought you were scum.♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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So ngl I've avoided talking all day because I needed a break from arguing.
Firstly, what's this mean?
I noticed that during Peta's period of having a vote on me, there wasn't 2 players on at the same time, so therefore it wasn't possible to have a quick-hammer against me which means we gained no information about it.In post 2310, Hiraki wrote:you didn't bring the kain tepes vigor like i asked
I think following on from Ali's flip Porkens makes the most sense as being scum here due to Night 2
Either Maf tried to kill Porkens or Porkens tried to kill. I can't think of a good reason as to why anyone would try to kill Porkens at Night 2
As for the partner, everything in me screams that I want it to be Peta, I don't want to be wrong about both Ali and Peta....but I'm willing to think about things and think logically.
I think the smart move here would be go for Porkens cancel today and see how the other 2 react, annoyingly we've got so little from PK that we've got to judge things on how NM is now and how Peta has been, I'm looking through Peta and Porkens to see if there's a potential of these 2 being maf together.
In post 489, Porkens wrote:RAWR SCREEEEEEEEE STORMP STOMP STARMP
VOTE: petapan
I read up last night and at first blush this is scuuuuuuuuumIn post 490, Porkens wrote:In post 386, petapan wrote:first things first: 253 from CM1 is a town post. i don't agree with the conclusion (i think he's just reading into playstyle) but from someone with not much experience it's a legit attempt to scumhunt looking at something he found suspect.
81 and 82 from z3kidny looked decently like newbtown as well but pisskop's replace-in catchup sucked fat hog and kind of whithered my goodwill there
so like i don't know how to do this without someone screaming "omg amished tell" but i liked alisae for town before i subbed in because e called out sleepersoul in the exact way i was thinking when i was reading. then i got the role pm for that slot instead of the cultofathena one and it's town. still, the process there is like my own thinking even if the conclusion is wrong. thats the main reason for my townread though and i dont wanna bullshit around it.
the umlaut vote feels low percentage right now his reaction to pressure doesn't look scummy and the case isn't strong
nexus came out the gate strong but has faded really hard, he's been coasting. i dunno
hiraki, uh, i'd say there's a veneer of towniness but nothing that strongly pulls me. he's been mostly tunneled on umlaut for an early page remark and not looking much outside. not impossible to fake but i'm going to guess it's coming from legit conviction.
cultofathena hadn't said a lot but what they said looked decent iirc
clarkbar is really bad and i wanna vote there
if clarkbar is scum i think pisskop has some partner equity but otherwise look to nexus maybeIn post 398, petapan wrote:
i dunno how you were in the newbie game with him where he was very obviously trying to scumhunt and here and don't see the difference. go back and look at his ISO. the line about "I don't know how to proceed in a game like this where everyone knows each other and seem to have a more fun/relaxed approach. I do feel I'm out of my depth here a little." is a relatable lil' emotional appeal but it takes me back to my rookie epicmafia days where i used that line on a table full of vets and it got me a pass as scum. it fels like there's a real lack ofIn post 389, Umlaut wrote:Can you say what's bad about ClarkBar? I've been pretty meh on his slot overall but I haven't really seen anything that says scum and I recall liking a few of his posts.trythere, his only two real suspicions have been on major wagons, he's got a lot of filler, he's not really questioning and evaluating people.
These posts caught me as scumtalkIn post 417, petapan wrote:pisskop standing his ground and refusing to actually provide content is kinda townish? or are they just always like this
Welp time to go to work.
So these are some of the earlier interactions between Porkens and Peta, could be some distancing happening at the start and then on Day 2 Porkens kinda hopped on but didn't say too much about Peta himself, more of used it to push against Ali due to how Ali was reacting.In post 738, petapan wrote:
ive been trying to explain this over and over? like are you not reading my posts or whatIn post 719, CreativeMod1 wrote:Okay so lets say I'm wrong, why Porkens?
Maybe I need to put this into paragraph form, and use capitalization and punctuation. Okay, so Porkens replaces in and immediately starts off by calling me scum: 489 490. Then 11 posts later in 501 he just decides to hop on the Clark wagon, the one I was very obviously leading. His only excuse for this in 602 is that "Clark was “eh” and I didn’t see a good reason to tryhard to alter the gamestate.". This isn't really a believable thing for a town player to say, when do you ever vote with your top scumread? The fact is by putting his vote on clark hewasaltering the gamestate by putting Clark at C-1 making him the most likely one to die that day, even if I was unlikely to be the cancel that day he could havetriedto vote elsewhere, but he didn't. The way he's come in to today going on about how Alisae is defending me so wemustbe scum together is absurd, that's the kind of connection a complete noob might make but extremely implausible for an experienced player to actually think, because games rarely play out that way. It looks like an extremely fake reasoning coming from someone who mostly wants to smear two of the most active and assertive players as scum to discredit us. It doesn't look like there's a real investigative process there, he's just been calling me scum then justifying a partner read on the assumption I HAVE to be scum. The whole thing is starting from the conclusion I'm scum and looking up ways to justify it, not making a real honest inquiry.
Porkens did jump onto the vote but I think that was more of a move to hide the fact that they're partners in case Peta did get canceled.
In post 850, Alisae wrote:Alright funs over
CLAIMING JAILKEEPER I BLOCKED NEXUS
Solve is Nexus/PK
I'll explain how I got here but I feel really good about thisIt's interesting how quickly Porkens jumped off of the Peta wagon after Ali's claim, especially given how much suspicion he was throwing towards Ali before their claim.
Final main point to make is this vote here, it just feels weird in many ways and doesn't sit well with meIn post 2106, petapan wrote:
that was a fake voteNot_Mafia wrote:You’re having a lot of emotions very quickly
VOTE: porkens
this one is real
Idk, these aren't the strongest of reasons why it could be Porkens/Peta, I think my reasons I've stated previously for Peta alone are stronger reasons for why Peta is scum but I could believe a Porkens/PK team♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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I think you'll find that I said I was unsure about the Peta v NM debate as we couldn't really learn a lot from PK and as such I think we'd learn more from seeing how you guys discuss things today
Also I'm putting things out there and asking for Hirakis opinions because I know I was wrong about Ali and therefore could be wrong about you too♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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For the last time, I'm making points about there being a potential team of Peta/Porkens....I haven't fully decided yet and I'm not sure on it, but the interactions today are very telling
Porkens vote is interesting, on the one hand it could be a bus to try and gain some town cred to win the game tomorrow on the other hand it could be him knowing that Hiraki won't vote me today and so is hoping that Hiraki will vote NM today and get the win there.
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Oh also btw, interesting that Porkens did try to take advantage of that...hmm makes you thinkIn post 2315, petapan wrote:yes i remember how you tried to divert that discussion into a vote on the flipped town jailkeeper, whose lynch would have automatically won the game for scum
really odd how the mafia team didn't take advantage of that
VOTE: Porkens
This game has gone on long enough, I've been fooled enough and I think I'll listen to Ali for once and sheep Hiraki. I'm still not sure whether it's between Peta or NM, I think I'm leaning more towards Peta but I won't fully discount NM tomorrow
I would appreciate Hiraki explaining at some point (maybe postgame) why he saw Ali as being town because I'm still struggling to see how they weren't scum♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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It's interesting that you say that I constantly tunneled Ali except from to jump off to get on wagons with 50/50 readsIn post 2325, Porkens wrote:I actually read through all your posts CM1. What I saw was constant tunneling on Ali except when you needed to hop off that tunnel to get on a miscancel. All of your miscancels were “50/50” reads (that’s an actual quote I even asked you post mort about umlaut). But you never drew a line in the sand to get ali cancelled.
Your post are also 90% over sharing fluff and qualifications. It’s always “I think this but I’m not sure” and “ah man rant over now to fluff about some more”
On the surface, it looks townie, like you are being open. But it’s not- it’s a smoke screen for what you are doing: see above.
Your suspicions are based on who you need to scumread at the moment.
I’m sorry you had PK for a partner, and I’m sorry that Ali and Peta were so mean to you, I thought you handled that well. I’m hoping your scum PT is a fun confessional read about how you were trying to tilt them the whole time.
When you did pretty much the same thing
You were a lot more subtle about it but you were very much on the anti-ali train all game but letting me take the fall for it but you flipped and made a couple of miscancels too
I have a question for you btw... Why didn't you try to protect Ali on Night 2? Like I get if you don't 100% buy their claim but surely it would've looked really bad on you if Ali had died on Night 2 and then you came out as doc and you hadn't protected them
Also I appreciate what you said about Ali and Peta, honestly it's ruined this whole game for me to the point that it's not fun and I'm just finishing it for the sake of finishing it♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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Urm I do if it's you and Peta, then you're just baiting me to mis-cancelIn post 2332, Porkens wrote:You literally have no reason not to hammer N_M here based on what you yourself have said.
Hmm so on the one hand you have Ali who spent the game insulting another player at a personal level and then on the other hand you have me who put forward some scum reads and stood by them and followed through on them when said player did scummier things.In post 2333, petapan wrote:
you get out what you put in. i tried to engage with you diplomatically as long as possible and showed uncommon restraint, until it became clear that nothing i said actually mattered to you. you can't play with a strategy to intentionally aggravate others and then act wounded when those people do, in fact, get aggravated with you. what alisae said to you this game was over the line. (my paranoia over em yesterday was because i'd thought they'd stooped to a truly dirty level of emotional appeal to win as scum). but your feelings are not the only ones that matter. alisae's still a person playing the game and the way you treated em pushed em over the edge and made em want to quit. this was likely deliberate on your part, and i cannot fault you for appearing convincingly town, but this is what you get when your play is to annoy people with repetitive arguments.In post 2330, CreativeMod1 wrote:Also I appreciate what you said about Ali and Peta, honestly it's ruined this whole game for me to the point that it's not fun and I'm just finishing it for the sake of finishing it
your little victim act at the start of the day with no consideration for how you made the other player feel? fucking disgusting. total low blow.
Yeah I think I know who has the moral high-ground here. I would never, absolutely never try to make someone quit, all I did was put forward arguments as to why I thought that they were scum.♪ ♫I am the one thing in life I can control. I am inimitable, I am an original♫ ♪
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