there are links in the period at the end (it was mykonian)In post 2353, Hiraki wrote:N_M who said that second quote on your sig?
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i don't know if that's necessarily true, you're the only one he can argue is scumIn post 2342, Porkens wrote:The best part of this, the absolutebestpart, is that CM1 has to kill me tonight.free crypto-
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why not? only CM1 has a vote on porkens. what are you talking about?In post 2367, Hiraki wrote:NM and CM cannot be scum unless they're trolling lolfree crypto-
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1. you can't do that because outing yourselves on a quickhammer means a 50/50 of autoloss on a jailkeepIn post 2387, CreativeMod1 wrote:We could've won yesterday, there was a long period in which there was 2 votes on Porkens and neither of them were me or NM
It'd be simple, cancel Porkens and then kill Ali
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In post 489, Porkens wrote:RAWR SCREEEEEEEEE STORMP STOMP STARMP
VOTE: petapan
I read up last night and at first blush this is scuuuuuuuuum
from the moment he replaced in, porkens was after me. he did end up voting clarkbar in the end (a move i found scummy at the time), but he went back after me on day 2, helping to push me to C-1.
all of this is completely unnecessary bussing if we were partners. i'd imagine i'd be the more confident scum player here (despite years away), he would have no reason to come into the game pushing me so hard.In post 726, Porkens wrote:Alright I just skimmed those three.
Im really not sure of much.
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Alisae is clearly not happening right now so we ill consolidate VOTE: petapan
further, i was put to C-1 very quickly day 2 and claimed VT, which would have been a surefire death sentence as scum.I had no idea alisae was going to claim.if i were scum with porkens, playing day 2 the way we did is essentially a gamethrow. the far preferable move as scum is to claim a power role at the least, in the hope of outing a role. this is especially true since there was a confirmed blocked kill. leaving a solo partner alive without any roles outed is a likely loss. essentially to view me/porkens as a team is to assume our play was incompetent.
i had the perfect position to claim a power role, since formerfish was believed to have softclaimed. i claimed VT instead.this is because i am town and need to play with the hand i have been dealt.i cannot make things up and act at my own convenience. i have to tell the truth, however strange or unlikely it may be.free crypto-
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part 2: i spent most of day 2 asking, literally begging people to vote me, so that i could die and people would understand alisae was town. i refused to jump the umlaut vote as well. i was confident both those players were town and their elimination meant a likely town loss. i basically refused both wagons on town players and argued for my own elimination instead. trying to get voted out there as scum, with my partner locked into a doctor claim, would be a suicide strategy - it'd basically be impossible for him to win. this is our exchange on page 61:
In post 1502, Porkens wrote:And you don’t see why both scum asking me to hang them wouldn’t make me lose my mind with suspicion?In post 1503, petapan wrote:
what, are you scared to vote me?In post 1502, Porkens wrote:And you don’t see why both scum asking me to hang them wouldn’t make me lose my mind with suspicion?In post 1507, Porkens wrote:
Wtf is this? What are you trying to accomplish?In post 1503, petapan wrote:
what, are you scared to vote me?In post 1502, Porkens wrote:And you don’t see why both scum asking me to hang them wouldn’t make me lose my mind with suspicion?In post 1509, petapan wrote:
i'm trying to get you to vote me, pussyIn post 1507, Porkens wrote:
Wtf is this? What are you trying to accomplish?In post 1503, petapan wrote:
what, are you scared to vote me?In post 1502, Porkens wrote:And you don’t see why both scum asking me to hang them wouldn’t make me lose my mind with suspicion?In post 1511, petapan wrote:okay, three more. pisskop can get back on me, that's one.In post 1512, petapan wrote:anyone entertaining the possibility of me being scum has to put up or shut up here
does this look like theater to you? do you think i'd attempt a gambit of asking for votes, when a number of players were likely to oblige? what's my angle supposed to be here? trying to get townread when it was unlikely to change many minds? no one was voting porkens that day, i'd just be drawing unnecessary attention to myself. starting a fight with my partner in-thread would be...unproductive, to say the least. i was voting alisae when e self-voted and put emself at C-1. optimal sum play there would be to let porkens hammer. he gets cancelled the next day, but i get to go to 3 way looking very, very good and having an easy path to winning, where i can kill stubborn roadblocks like cm1 and hiraki. instead i got scared by alisae's AtE and unvoted, not wanting to be sent to a potential 5 way no clears. i would have been making the game very difficult for myself as scum for basically no good reason.In post 1513, Porkens wrote:I’m pretty sure we can get there.free crypto-
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i've been stubborn too, and i've been wrong - but i've at least had the graciousness at times to check myself when people askd me to. i was super paranoid of alisae all of yesterday in part because of all eir AtE on day 3, making think they were tryin to pull one on me as scum by playing audaciously. it wasn't THAT dissimilar to the scum game e linked in this thread, just on a different level. BUT you told me to unvote and i did. i guess i still didn't fully believe it though until i conformed ali/n_m was not the team. but still, i actually gave you a shot therefree crypto-
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i don't really blame you for doubting alisae because their claim was strange in several regards and i found myself doubting it at several times. i think there's a lesson to be drawn here about real claims sometimes being messy annd strange rather than perfectly crafted. i do think you probably need to learn that the way we interacted is not scum/scum, basically ever.In post 2452, CreativeMod1 wrote:Hiraki, now that I've been proven wrong again can you please explain to me why me reads were so wrong because I still really don't get it, like there was so many things that both Ali and Peta did that I thought were really scummy and I really don't get it.
Peta I'm sorry for going so hard against you, it's just that's what was making sense, I didn't think that Porkens would throw their partner under the bus so hard.
i could go on a heavy-handed rant to you but to be honest i really don't want to bother at this point. i'm not perfect, i am frequently wrong, and have been many times this game (seeing as how i've suspected literally every single player at some point). being wrong isn't a crime. that's not what pissed me off about you. i asked for a chance to prove myself and you effectively spat in my face by repeating the same fallacious arguments, completely stonewalling everything i said in response, and openly lying about what i was doing when i wanted to shift discussion to me vs pisskop. to throw everything i have into the game and have you claim a literal 0 poster who did not try to play the game is less suspect than me is incredibly insulting. i tried to show patience and restraint far beyond what i have ever done on this account and you acted like a jackass in response to me. you'll have to get feedback from someone else there.free crypto-
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oh that stuff was huge in my craw. the deflection off pisskop stuck with me, especially with the flip. i admit CM1 looks like hell this game especially after yesterday, but lylos are decided by what makes sense, not who's played better, and i think you were probably right all along.In post 2467, Hiraki wrote:
im still pretty big on this petaIn post 2343, Hiraki wrote:In post 1667, Porkens wrote:Piss? I think piss is just hanging back hoping town eats itself. I just can find piss’ partner as everyone is fine killing himIn post 1727, Porkens wrote:I guess the only real problem I have is that how can he be so sure pisskop is town? I'm not sure at all. by the way what is a "failed" mischance anyway?
Pisskop townread seems to be coming from how people are reading pisskop and not based on what pisscop is actually doing.
no, im good here my guy, you win if you're scumIn post 1932, Porkens wrote:Pisskop sucks because it’s unreadable. Im leaning town but I’ve lurked my way to scum wins just like that as well.
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i wish i could claim this was some 600 IQ strategy on my part, where the goal was just to clear myself, but no, i had really talked myself into pork-town over the course of the game and could break away. the irony of it is that the game probably hinged on the vote yesterday anyway, because a porkens red flip means i get autovoted in lylo anywayfree crypto-
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occam's razor says porkens is the goon who was stopped from doing the night 2 kill, right? much more probable than the incredibly unlikely scenario that mafia knew he was doc and happened to shoot him the night the jailkeeper targeted him. also cm1 would be the one sending in the kill, i don't think he and pisskop intentionally no-kill night 3, and i don't think they try to shoot the outed jailer when the assumption was e'd be protectedfree crypto-
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In post 2487, Porkens wrote:
Yes, but I don’t think scum can NK tonight. If we are free to nocancel tomorrow and no one died, then I’ll be clear.In post 2481, Hiraki wrote:If it is as you say, wouldn't it be more in scum's favor to not kill anyone so then you look bad if it's not you?free crypto-
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i would have told you to stand your ground anyway, but now we don't get to do the deliberation thingIn post 2510, Hiraki wrote:the worst part is that i was ready to admit that i could've been wrong about CM1 - i am far from doing that nowfree crypto-
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i absolutely wouldn't have, especially with a hiraki death, believe it or not. right after the flip my perspective shifted.In post 2516, CreativeMod1 wrote:Honestly Porkens you digged yourself into this hole by making the wrong play.
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i had said it earlier and had let it go when i got tilted, but
this is basically not a bus vote ever, rightIn post 1721, CreativeMod1 wrote:y'know what I give up, I don't see why everyone is so fooled by Ali
VOTE: Pisskop
Let's just get this failed Miscancel over with and hopefully tomorrow we can actually get somewhere
Just look at the type of arguments being used for Pisskop though and look at how this day has gone.
Pisskop is thrown over as being the easy vote because they're not really doing anything and we haven't got much time left and yet all day town has been arguing over so much, my bets are: Scum are each on 2 different arguments and keeping them going for as long as possible and now that there's little time left they can get an easy miscancel on someone not involved in any arguments and thus we learn nothing from the cancel
This is our last miscancel and we're gonna throw it away and learn nothing, great job everyone
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he's smart enough to know a NL doesn't clear him as doctor in any way so him arguing for that is fairly bad. i think he saw i thought him being paranoid and flaily is town-indicative for him and played that up. we can take our time if you want, reread things, but i do think occam's razor on the night actions makes it pretty clear here.In post 2562, Hiraki wrote:I am slightly worried that I am being stupid here because Porkens is going insane.free crypto-
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i don't think the lean into attempting to mech clear himself is a believable thought process and comes across more as wanting to cut off discussion i guessIn post 2607, CreativeMod1 wrote:
How does it make your opinion stronger?In post 2605, petapan wrote:oh i get what porkens is trying to say now but if anything it makes my opinion stronger
i will probably hammer in a few, just want to re-check things to be sure. notable that n_m didn't crossvote, and i'm not sure if porkens is town why he doesn't chance the winfree crypto-
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hehIn post 108, CultOfAthena wrote:Kidneystone's suspicion over people not elaborating on their votes seems genuine on first blush. It's interesting that he doesn't mention me despite the fact that I seemingly indicated I also had a real reason to scumread Clark.free crypto-
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