Micro 958: Achievement Unlocked Mafia (Game Over)

[Isis]

No, what I’m saying is I think it’s town indicative to look through the achievement list, prepare posts, and post them right at daystart so you can get them. I’m a bit more lenient on excessive achievement hunting because I don’t like shitposting personally

That's a gooood point. Who should we bulldoze instead then?

Also, is it bad that I kind of scumread Isis but don't want to bullsleep her because she's fun?

You must not be Hectic after all

I was mostly focused on reading for scum rather than getting involved and I had already tried to get a couple that were suggested and felt that the ideas wouldn’t work

I feel like both Porkens and Tipsy are guilty of failures to pursue enough achievements, but for Tipsy's personality it is unbelievably aberrant while for Porkens it's only minorly so. In making this assessment I am factoring in I think I played with him in like the early 2010s and have no factual recall whatsoever and only have vague emotional memories that I am using to inform this assessment and this is extremely sketchy. I prefer Tipsy today I think.
I know it's weighty since someone posited that they probably aren't aligned and I guess that's true, I haven't given it thought.

[Isis]

Wait...does that mean you're Hectic

I am either a newbie or Hectic pretending to be a newbie to bamboozle you but I might point out that alts are not allowed to join the newbie queue as a newbie and I have no completed newbie games HHMMMMMMMM.

[Isis]

Who is popsofctown?

[Isis]

I looked her up and she does. Maybe she saw mine and liked it.

[Isis]

That's a weird way to describe it Porkens, shouldn't you need more than hot flashes to rebut the presumption that I'm town 67% of the time?

[Isis]

I still feel like Norwee is a little townier than null, but way behind GB by this point. Maybe behind Porkens??


Let's flatter Kannee by smothering her in a BoP exile for not voting mafia d1.

[Isis]

I think Pork is solving

[Isis]

Why'd you change your avi?

[Isis]

VOTE: Porkens

1065 explains why Isis's post is a good one for scum to make, but doesn't explain why it's more likely to come from scum than town.

"It does nothing to help town find scum" ignores Isis's other posts and is pretty bad reasoning, like he's honed in on one post that doesn't do that, and is using it for the basis of his vote and ignoring whether she does that in the rest of her ISO. Isis's reaction to it is pretty weird too.

I WANT TO BELIEVE IN HIM OK

[Isis]

VOTE: Porkens

1065 explains why Isis's post is a good one for scum to make, but doesn't explain why it's more likely to come from scum than town.

"It does nothing to help town find scum" ignores Isis's other posts and is pretty bad reasoning, like he's honed in on one post that doesn't do that, and is using it for the basis of his vote and ignoring whether she does that in the rest of her ISO. Isis's reaction to it is pretty weird too.

I WANT TO BELIEVE IN HIM OK

but more seroiusly

either town or scum porkens obviously went and started rando isoing ppl to pick characterizable stuff

does scum!porkens pick me for stuff to poink?
in the gamestate i think Nidoran(male), Kannee, and Errbudy in the club gettin tipsy, are all softer targets for such exercises, and I was previously relatively sympathetic to wizpig and it's a bridge burning.
And then the analysis is not that bad. Yes I have a town iso but he didn't pull some of my townposting and make a gross forced post he pulled a post I could have made if I rolled cult leader or werewolf and tbh I think I'm

slightly

more likely to post with an anti-town alignment, gets hte posting quota knocked down for a few hours and makes more time for playing som advance wars by web without making more posts that expose my alignment. So like I do think I like the cut of hte jib

[Isis]

i hate sandbox games and really wanna policy exile norwee for playing a sandbox game that sandboxes who it is that sandboxes the sandbox omfg

[Isis]

YEEEE BOYEE

VOTE: norwee

[Isis]

Causing a non Legolass exile is kind of effortless for her in this gamestate do if she needs to be opportunistic you need to posit a partner??

[Isis]

I feel like Legolass is a spirit kind and I do understand how she is reading the game

[Isis]

You two are both my townreads and I need you to make up and start townreading eachother

[Isis]

Legolass tell Porkens you're sorry

[Isis]

Causing a non Legolass exile is kind of effortless for her in this gamestate do if she needs to be opportunistic you need to posit a partner??

isis translator please? D:

Scum!Legolass can trivially secure the outcome "someone besides Legolas is exiled" by doing nothing. So for her opportunism to have more scum incentive than town incentive it has to protect a partner somehow.

[Isis]

Oh that's what Porkens said later

[Isis]

I want to do the "count the interactions" thingy Ame did in a game once. But I don't know how you decide what counts as an interaction.


Kannee help meee

[Isis]

wdym

[Isis]

I used to townread Norwee and maybe like him less now, and I felt ambivalent about giving intent so I tried looking at who is on the wagon, and it's not my favorite people.
It seems like I need to compromise and I'd rather be voting alongside townreads if that's the case, so I will VOTE: Porkens. Sorry Porkens.

[Isis]

Porkens I think you got lolhammered any information you have should be hardclaimed not crumbed?

[Isis]

You're creeping me out I've seen plenty of "obvious" crumbs only understood during postgame

[Isis]

I feel really sad

[Isis]

Mafia is hard

[Isis]

Oh I get it now

[Isis]

Oh I get it now

[Isis]

I think it's Norwee/Tipsy, I feel pretty good about my GB townread.

I don't think there's much to discuss unless people want to play the next dayphase in advance, Norwee can't convince he me he didn't know better than that lolhammer.

[Isis]

Norwee/Tipsy seems very unlikely. They pushed each other a lot but the wagons didn't go through.

Seems more like a Norwee/Isis team to me. I agree that his hammer is basically a scumclaim though.

Ok but I know that's wrong because I got a PM that says I doesn't has teammates :/

[Isis]

It's ok to put Norwee at e1 but putting Norwee at E0 without letting legolass discuss the game state is a scumclaim

[Isis]

Lol
Doctor tracker is a cell of newd3 on its own, adding a eLo IC (that can occasionally be doctored out of 5p eLo) is too hugge of a shift to also add half a jk. There's no way norwee is town. He's also acting more like his scumself this day phase.

Tipsy slow playing her bushammer shows she would have tolerated such a bad roleclaim in mafpt discussion. I wouldn't.
We can massclaim if you want to, I'm vt, I don't think matters, I don't think we can have anything else stronger than like, an odd night commuter

[Isis]

VOTE: Norweeboy
Crying pngs pls

[Isis]

Norwee why the hell would you not use the JK investigatively and allow Legolass to die so that an unclear town gets cleared or scum gets outed?


It is comforting that in the extremely unlikely scenario you're town you deserve to lose.

[Isis]

UNVOTE:

[Isis]

I'm giving your mouth a soapbath Hectic

[Isis]

I don't think this is comforting if you also are town?

It shouldn't be, no, and feeling this vindictive perpendicular to my wincon possibly also means I deserve to lose.

I think I'm tilted because I was townreading Norwee this game.

[Isis]

I am sad to break the streak of always townreading me But the streak of always townreading me when I'm scum can live on :kanna:

[Isis]

Norwee thank you for lolcatting in the way that you know speaks to my soul

[Isis]

I was townreading him a lot earlier this game but conftown said I should be townreading you instead.

I maybe need to reread? which I don't have time for but I'll maybe find the time

[Isis]

Idk man. I've been town reading you all game and that was something that strongly pinged me about Isis. Kanna was definitely a "she had too good" reads kill. And ISIS pushing her the day before she died looks scummy.

uh, Mr. Bailey, asserting that Kanna was killed because her reads were too good then quoting one of her posts where she was townreading me is a very bold strategy. Very bold

[Isis]

You've played more mafia with me than Kanna has, so why didn't I kill you?

[Isis]

norwee pls no partner wifom my heart can't handle it

[Isis]

I've never played with town!Kanna before (which serves as some amount of explanation of why correctly reading her this game was too challenging for me)
It's a monumental stretch to say that as scum I shot Kanna over GeorgeBailey because I inferred from her scumgames that she is so good at playing town that she is more likely to shift all the way from a townread to a correct scumread of me than GeorgeBailey or Tipsy are when neither of those players had a read on me, that I can remember.

Like all the puzzle pieces you're giving me are the pieces that should be pointing you at a TipsyBoy solve if you're town.

[Isis]

If you are town, the scumteam is Tipsy and NorwegianBoyEE

[Isis]

Who would you have killed last night as scum, George?

[Isis]

Hectic I'm just disappointed in you in so many ways right now

[Isis]

GB doesn't seem to remember that I was townreading him going into night phase and I don't think it's something he could manufacture as scum. I think it's just Norwee Tipsy.

GB for us to win this game I need you to stop listening to Hectic's calls for us to throw

[Isis]

uuuuuuuuhhhhhh idk georgebailey im getting a lot of paranoia from 1212

Look at this vague suggestive way Tipsy is trying to pull you into the donkpool George

Why does that seem more authentic to you than the way I've been playing this dayphase

[Isis]

I'm kind of glad I don't have to be the final decider for this game. Don't tunnel, guys. Reread and reevaluate stuff in the final 3.

You need to replace into one of my games for every swear you said this game.

You will then unlock the Egyptian achievement

[Isis]

I'm kind of glad I don't have to be the final decider for this game. Don't tunnel, guys. Reread and reevaluate stuff in the final 3.

You need to replace into one of my games for every swear you said this game.

You will then unlock the Egyptian achievement

But I'm always in your games from the start. Will replacing out and replacing back in count?

You have to replace in for a flaked newbie VT, claim mafia with another player in a 1-scum remaining game, then rep out to give me an exciting uphill battle when I replace in thereafter

[Isis]

You have to have to PM players in Nightless Vanilla vacation ideas until you are successful in causing a player to rep out and go on a vacation that's travel heavy enough that they can't keep up with the game. In the middle of a pandemic.

[Isis]

I kno Tipsy town is easier to play in F3, it's rough for you though

[Isis]

uuuuuuuuhhhhhh idk georgebailey im getting a lot of paranoia from 1212

Look at this vague suggestive way Tipsy is trying to pull you into the donkpool George

Why does that seem more authentic to you than the way I've been playing this dayphase

uh? what's the scum moviation behind me doubting georgebailey and not just pushing u and and norway as a team, like i have been all along? if im to be pushin geore, YOU'RE the one i need to be appealing to? why as scum would i wager my game on that?

idk it's hard tbh you're not that scummy it's just I figured out every other slot is town so you're scum

[Isis]

ok that kind of makes sense

Is this game confirmed to be 7:2, maybe norwee is a serial killer

[Isis]

I think Tipsy is just playing mafia well and calculated townies would perceive a recalculation act positively. It's that many wine swaps. I think I like that explanation better than George fooling me here

[Isis]

I looked it up btw it said it has to be 7:2

[Isis]

When I was in like 4th grade my chess rating got so high I was invited to a regional invitational tournament

[Isis]

Freedom, unless it's a doubled pawn, then I go with Order

[Isis]

Unless they're 4d chessing it and were hoping for someone to come up with this reasoning.

If I was scum and I told Norwee to make a bad roleclaim so that people would rule me out as a partner, I would choose an even more outlandish PR than even night JK. Probably full Watcher I think

[Isis]

As far as the PT claiming discussion goes Tipsy said "we should massclaim" which contemplates other roles the way Norwee's fakeclaim does. GeorgeBailey hasn't done so and I don't think would quite cosign the even night JK fakeclaim.

I kind of still like the Tipsy Norwee ship.

It's worth remembering Tipsy's alignment isn't revealed right now because she doesn't want to be confirmed town, and that's so important to her she abandoned her original intent to join this game to meme achievements D1.

[Isis]

i mean if he thought it was a scumclaim why would he claim it lol

I've asked a partner to claim scum before to put me in a better position, it's not implausible, Hectic knows me really well. It won me the game, too.

[Isis]

I ought to reread norwee's scum PT with George from fusion to figure out if they'd have a dynamic where he'd discuss the claim with George. Because I don't think George would like the JK claim. But I'm somewhat lazy/mobile

[Isis]

I've never played with nahdia before but I agree tipsy is fun to play with, red or not

[Isis]

Are you more scared nahdia will find you out, though, George?

[Isis]

You're specifically alive this time for being an underachiever

[Isis]

Could the scum among you two hardclaim

[Isis]

I wish I was the kind of player who would immediately know whether Tipsy is scum based on them flipping scum in the game that ended like an hour ago but I am not that sort of player

[Isis]

I think so? I don't know how you play town.

Could you project your scumgame onto me so I should know what I should be looking for

[Isis]

i might reread
tomorrow
but that might be drunk wishful thinking

i would like to see gb post
like at least a hi post

[Isis]

wait i feel like maybe there is a conclusion i can draw from the finished game

in the finished game tipsy disrupted their meming to play to mafia wincon

that makes me want to double down on

not-achievement-hunting tipsy disrupted their meming to play to mafia wincon

es problema

[Isis]

but if you are scum this game you are also the only hope you had of winning this game cause norwee is p bad at scum

[Isis]

its only a shift from signups to starting playing the game

i think as town you would have farmed achievements

[Isis]

i THINK

[Isis]

tipsy why can't i win any magic arena games drunk

[Isis]

i don't know who the scum is i think there are reasons to think you are scum and reasons to think GB is scum and reasons to think you are town and reasons to think GB is town

[Isis]

i forgot how this game was over night phase and my feelings definitely moved towards the center

my mind definitely has a really consistent refrain of "you're 2/2 reading GB and he's not obvscum" though

[Isis]

wait were you the first norwee voter?

I thik I never sufficiently wrapped my braintubes aroundt his game

[Isis]

normally if I got to f3 without a strong opinion i would be wanting to sheep the dead IC but Hectic's top scumread was me D:

[Isis]

have you ever secret alted in one of my games besides as tipys?

[Isis]

i'm not poking george cause he's not here mostly
also i didnt finish a game with georg just now so less topical
i really do want to hear from both of you and figure it out
part of me wants you or george to vote so i can crossvote and turn my brain off
but that's not necessarily the way it will go

[Isis]

im really bad as scum lately. ive lost my edge. dont vote me xD

i guess i can interpret this as a sincere assessment since you didn't exactly knock the pants off of yGun

[Isis]

if i incorrectly townread you in back to back games
i will tear cry

[Isis]

if i incorrectly townread you in back to back games
i will tear cry

well if i incorrectly townread you here then we'll be even so

i got a headache interpreting this as us both incorrectly townreading eachother in f3 lol

[Isis]

I looked back at your iso
and you like kind of did nothing then bussed

that does seem like a sketchy strategy if your scum
maybe thats what hectic was talking about

[Isis]

part of me wants to BoP george for knowing my alignment moreso than you

[Isis]

gook

[Isis]

i play weeb games you should 15% kill me

[Isis]

"Gook" is a word chanted by the penguins in the children's book "Mr. Popper's Penguins" so i like to spell "look" that way when I'm goofy

uh that might not be your favorite book ever i can't think everything through ok

[Isis]

I've never heard the term "gook" outside of mr. popper's penguins, i'm unfamiliar with the slur. i'll remove it from my vocabulary

[Isis]

looks like mr. popper's penguins was written in 1938 and the slur was popularized during the vietnam war so it's not a "learn your childhood was awful" moment
not worth using the word tho

[Isis]

i like learning terms to avoid, just because i haven't heard of a slur doesn't mean it's not a "real" slur because they kind of cluster in regions or for specific groups; i live in the southeast so I'm more likely to learn the jim crow kinds

[Isis]

my name is nahdia in the game.. for the next 24 hours. The game lets you freely change your name. Even though it has several multiplayer, trading, and interaction features, which makes the flexibility odd

[Isis]

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeorge

[Isis]

She is a boss character that you can also collect and use an ally. When she fights you as a boss, she fights in a way that is a really good spiritual match to the traditional story of scherezade. Every turn she says something, and each "story" puts a special mechanic or inhibition onto the board that makes it harder to match orbs and hurt her. She doesn't attack for that much damage, she fights using attrition.

[Isis]

geooooooooooorge

[Isis]

Hectic said I was supposed to townread Tipsy the most right?

[Isis]

he hardclaimed Hectic by referring to a game we played together
and was specific enough about it it would have to be someone from that game
and no one else in that game was british and would be on british spellings
except Kanna
I guess it could be an amazing Kanna troll
there were many posts that felt very Hectic though

[Isis]

George you need to convince me you're not scum because i'm enrapture by all thousand and one of tipsy's stories right now

[Isis]

1344 wasn't a shitpost. My feelings are volatile

[Isis]

i think lego's point though is that, from my prior posturing, i absolutely had could have justified entering d3 in much the same way you did in order to "appear towny" but i didnt. instead i actually thought things through and let the day run its course a bit.

Sometimes the mafia has this kind of undertone that expresses like, they know they're actually mafia, and that feels absent from you sometimes

[Isis]

You’re right. He is literally incapable of being town as scum.
Townread on George.

Norwee cosigned my opinions in Gun and those opinions were wrong in Gun

[Isis]

Tipsy is town null for me, and I don't think they're of any concern.

This post was so scummy I think it can outweigh the "if this is scum lolhammer" post on its own

[Isis]

But like, if there's anything that mafia taught me, it's to sheep Luca, Isis, or Skitter.

VOTE: Kanna

Especially when they threaten you with the trust circle.

Also, if this flips scum then i'm pretty sure it's a scum white knighting for town cred. So that would confirm Porkens town.

This seemed like a pretty towny thought process

[Isis]

But I'm not feeling Tipsy for Maf. Is Tipsy was maf, then Norwee has to be their partner. I dont think Maf has an incentive to unvote at E-1 preventing an accidental hammer.

[Isis]

i would like to vote norway.

Then vote Norwee. That quickhammer on Porkens when he knew he was getting voted out was incredibly survivalist.

He also never let Porkens claim.

Why didn't you vote here George?

[Isis]

Did.... Did you just claim without being put to E-1?

Maybe this means I should give less weight to my thinking that Tipsy would like a JK claim more than GB

[Isis]

If you're a PR then that means Isis and Tipsy is the scum team.

Which is a team, I don't really see? I mean they have been casually townreading each other, and I don't think they've ever pushed each other???

But even-night feels like such a convenient modifier to tack on so you only have to provide 1 night action.


I honestly don't think I believe this. This is bringing me flashbacks of when someone claimed Novice PT cop on the second day lmao.

This seems kind of TMI, a scumteam composed of two people who are casually townreading eachother is like, 60% of scumteams

[Isis]

I read up to this dayphase a multi-iso of norwee, GB Tipsy

I don't think it's super obvious but it feels like the quantity of reasons Tipsy is unlikely to be scum should count more than the quality/intensity of certain posts from George that make me townread him. Norwee interacts with George like a partner a bit more than Tipsy.

The biggest thing I noted in my reread is that it seemed obvious that GB was cognizant this game that Hayasaka was an obvtown that was never getting exiled this game and it's rather plausible that Tipsy didn't know that. I think a Norwee/GB team shoots Hayasaka way more often than Norwee/Tipsy does

I'm leaning towards voting GB

[Isis]

GB tell me 1002 stories

[Isis]

GeorgeBailey you're leaning towards voting me right?

[Isis]

You're right you did vote there I misread

[Isis]

the skull actually means I'm stressed because it could be exactly the scumteam you're positing and voting you could be a gamethrow

[Isis]

FUCK me i dont know. this is rly hard.

Is it actually hard or is GeorgeBailey reducing his intent to vote me making you want to set up Isis and Tipsy votes on GeorgeBailey. You seemed reasonably sure it was me and I don't see much that has changed

[Isis]

counting this ongoing game Norwee has been scum and I have been town 4/4. It's pretty impressive

[Isis]

if you throw that vote down I get to think less but also it's probably gamethrow :/

[Isis]

The difference is you have a strong preference and understandable reasons why and I'm getting paranoid you're not voting because you're scum hammercamping

I'm more convince GB just doesn't know

[Isis]

Tipsy nuuuuuu

[Isis]

</3
How come you think we're both scum and I think you're both town

[Isis]

now that you don't actually seem to be hammercamping it makes me think it's GeorgeBailey and we're gonna lose and it feels bad

[Isis]

Tipsy y thro

[Isis]

you correctly pointed me to who I should be voting, only to vote me ((

[Isis]

SEE YOU CAN'T SCUMREAD MY SCUMGAME HECTIC

[Isis]

i think throw is kind of toxic and i shouldn't say that

GB played good

[Isis]

I am ANGRU

[Isis]

GB YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO WIN SCUMGAMES

[Isis]

ANGRU

[Isis]

The only thing that makes me feel better is getting those W's instead of those L's!

[Isis]

you too you're my most recent new favorite mafia player

[Isis]

I didn't think you would mind loosing at all nahdia you seem really carefree

[Isis]

aw
I mean recency bias is a thing it makes sense to be paranoid sometimes
If you hadn't played well enough to change my preference I would have mishammered you instead.

[Isis]

Georgebailey was also the least active for the whole game among f3 so I don't know how helpful that is.

I mean there's a these that postcount for the whole game has slight correlation with towniness that theory is as old as dirt.

[Isis]

My biggest regret of my own actions which are the ones I have agency over as I never seek to blame others is Hectic why did you power farm chieves when you're one of the most clearable players on site

[Isis]

I don't know whether I would have been able to TR legolass off play or not but given Hectic's traits I think it was strategically suboptimal.

It'd be suboptimal for me too -usually- if I survive early exiles I am nightkilled or endgame decider.

[Isis]

Is pocketing Hectic a good strat? for some reason I never do that

[Isis]

How could you and Tipsy have differing approaches on that and not have differing alignments

[Isis]

Next time I'm modding a game that Hectic joins I'm adding 50 achievements.

They'll all have the identical unlock condition of "win the game as town or scum".

[Isis]

Ok I don't ever pocket when I know he's Hectic

[Isis]

I think it's not obvious that the optimal strategy differs from "kill the towniest player"

There's a colorable argument that a D2 gamestate with a larger number of obvtown players is just globally harder for scum to work within regardless of whether or not that sets up a later event that's worth a clear or so or whatever

[Isis]

I would like to make 1442 except I don't gotta go do stuff

[Isis]

I love Kanna

Isis, could I use this as my signature? pretty please?

Of course you may

[Isis]

This generation, huh. Is your point that you enjoyed modding the game because Porkens and I lost worsty?

[Isis]

Kanny is the tersest