Micro 958: Achievement Unlocked Mafia (Game Over)

[Porkens]

OH MY HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT’S RVS!!!!! DON’T OMGUS OR YOU ARE GOING TO LAMIST YOURSELVES INTO AN SR! VOTE: PORKENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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UNVOTE:

[Porkens]

Hey everyone, sorry about that, I was just testing a few theories. I hope we have a good game here! When I first saw this game in the list I thought “wow what a cool idea!” And I’m really glad to be in it.

[Porkens]

Anyway I thought it might be cool to start this game off by talking about the nature of scum RVS. As far as I know, this isn’t a subject that has really been studied that much and I think it would be a good avenue of scholarly pursuit for any of you students out there.

So here’s the basic theory: Everyone, town or scum, have to make a first post. So it’s a relevant data point if you are trying to find how scum and town act differently. I’m sure there’s some kind of controlling question or thesis we could articulate here, but I don’t think I need to go into that much formality.

Heres some background: I’ve always enjoyed the unique elements of the RVS stage of the game. IT’s a special time before people start to suspect each other for *reasons* and it’s also a little awkward because everyone is trying to “cool their way into the party.”

I’ve done a little bit of observation as I’ve played Mafia over the years, and anecdotally I have had some success pegging scum from their very first 1-3 posts in the “RVS” stage. Here are some of the observations I’ve made, for example:

The player who explicitly sites “randomness” as the cause of their vote is often scum. I think the motivation for “I flipped a coin” or “I rolled a die” vote reasoning is an attempt to keep all motivation a secret and, theoretically, therefore away from scrutiny. Interestingly, there is a site rule about no use of provable randomness, which would be a good point of inquiry if one were to take up this course of study.

Another particularly scummy type of RVS vote, and I wish I had a name to use as a handle for this, is the person who uses someone else’s reasoning to place a vote. I can’t think of a better way to explain than the following:

Example 1
A vote B for *reasons*
C votes B with “yeah! Those *reasons* are good!”

In the above, I don’t think it’s really the vote that is scummy but the agreement with the *reasons* which, by the nature of RVS, are bullshit. These types of votes also may appear to absolve C from scrutiny of the reasons. However, I think this is a less reliable tell than the first example.

Other types of RVS entries/votes could be described:

There’s the first post that just says “ego” or “this game” or something like that. Personally I haven’t quantified that so it’s very null to me right now. This is the type of situation where statistical analysis might come in handy.

There’s the friendly “hey everybody! Lets have a good game!” “Hi oh wow I am so happy to be in a ASDF game” or “Nice to see blah blah again”. Again, not much personal evaluation on this so it would be part of an analysis for discovery.

There are some interesting pure vote patterns that I think would be worth looking at as well, such as OMGUS:

A votes B
B votes A

Or the human centipede

A votes B
C votes A
B votes C

There’s also the person who completely ignores what’s going on around them. There may be two or three votes on one player, and then the fourth player lays a vote on an irrelevant player - avoiding the knot of votes all together.

Another area that this study could start to look into is the meta nature of RVS itself. I think there is a fairly identifiable line when RVS “ends,” so who ends it (scum or town) could be another interesting data point.

There are associative trends we may or may not find as well. Do scum partners tend to vote for each other or avoid voting for each other? How about following RVS wagons on each other?

Then of course there is voting without explanation and posting without voting.

I personally believe that for the most part scum try to “Fit in” with whatever is going on with the game, and outlandish bursts typically come from town unless there is a pressure reason that force scum into action. However, scum will occasionally do this to mimic town, and of course it always comes down to who is in the game. Notwithstanding the latter, I believe it would be interesting to try and codify “fitting in” during RVS and running it through statistical analysis.

Well, anyway, as you can tell, there is a lot of room for work in this study. Classifying types of entries, coding them for analysis, and compiling data from hundreds of games. Then, of course, would be the more complicated

patterns

of the first few posts, which would quickly spiral out of control in number and variety.

To mitigate this, it might be good to consider a players first 3 posts as their “entrance” or some such aggregation, to reduce the complexity of the data analysis. Then again, a real statistician would probably enjoy more data points. But that ain’t me!

I think this study would have some ease to it as well though: Since all the data is in the first couple pages usually, collecting it would be less challenging than scraping data from an entire game. While the latter is not impossible, the former could even be done manually to a certain extent. Of course automation would be preferred but someone without access to coding would be able to approach this fairly easily and it wouldn’t be too hard to get a small set of data in a few days.

If anyone is interested in pursuing this research as a topic of study, I’d be happy to collaborate. I also have a more complicated study in my mind involving the entire game, but that would take a lot more technical work and it would be good to do this one first as a pilot for the larger study. I imagine this kind of project could be used for a scholarly paper, and I really do think it’s worth looking in to if people are at all interested or in need of a topic.

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote

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blackjack

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I warned you about being LAMIST!
VOTE: Tipsy

[Porkens]

It is NOT stolen I wrote it from scratch!

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I really like your avatar

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It is NOT stolen I wrote it from scratch!

Oh, awesome! I'll read it in full after I'm done farming a few more achievements.

Do you townread Hayasaka for her achievement hunting?

No, I don't think achievement hunting is AI - personally I signed up for this game specifically for the achievement mechanic and I imagine others did as well.

[Porkens]

There was a game that had a gold-getting mechanic that you could use to buy stuff from a wal-mart like neighborizing stones and other second-tier PR things. I was scum in that game and did everything I could to get gold and buy all the goodies. I don't know if I was specifically townread for it but I totally got away with lolhammers in order to get gold and we ended up winning as scum.

I just don't think it's AI since both town and scum want prizes...just my IMO

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OHHHHH well that's cool. I take it back, I'm not sure if it's AI...I'm gunna have to think on that one actually

[Porkens]

HEAL: Dumb

You're town.

why is he town?

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there must be one for a post that has multiple independent clauses but no punctuation what so ever dont you think i guess maybe thats just a shot in the dark but I feel like its true however I like to eat beans do you like to eat beans how bout them lakers

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I just noticed your avatar is animated.

happy with my vote.

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How could we possibly do that?

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hit me

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Original Roll String: 1d13 (STATIC)

1 13-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Original Roll String: 1d13 (STATIC)

1 13-Sided Dice: (6) = 6

There you go, Porkens.

Double down

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This looks like fake effort to me.

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says the player supposedly interested in getting achievements.

p.edit how do they benefit scum?

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I think o got twelve and why would dealer hit on a soft 18?

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i Don’t know how we would force one player to get them since we don’t know what triggers them...

I don’t think they are all that important actually

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That’s fair.

I mean either way we still have to scumhunt so whatevers

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Isis

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Georgebailey

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Did that get you beattlejuice?

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Posting in all caps did not give me CaPiTaL OfFeNsE and I’m intrigued about Egyptian

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Dozo

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Vote tipsy let’s make this happen

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She was LAMIST on page 2 and her avatar is animated, Jesus did you even read the thread?

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What pings folks about kana?

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VOTE: Tipsy L-1

For the 'chieve

what's the point of the invite after this?

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UNVOTE FUCK YOU AUTOCORRECT

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You know what? I’m good with that.

VOTE: dumbanddumber

[Porkens]

You know what? I’m good with that.

VOTE: dumbanddumber

?

?

[Porkens]

first lol

VOTE: dumb and dumber

Oh mi god u suck
VOTE: Tipsy

[Porkens]

You know what? I’m good with that.

VOTE: dumbanddumber

Scummy opportunism!

-Dumbass

Why are you on the tipsy wagon?

[Porkens]

ǝɹǝɥʇ ollǝH

I keep trying to turn my iPad upside down so I can read this but it just spins the screen so t stays upside down

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How do I print from an iPad?

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Also, I think I have a slight SR on Porkens. Porkens is kinda acting like what you'd expect from scum right now. Going for achievements, not too little to appear to not care, but not too much to get left with the IC.

VOTE: Porkens

Also, I dont agree with the dumb and dumber wagon, and I think Porken's vote feels the worse here. D&D feels like one of the only people trying to bring the game to a more serious venture.

I started a shit wagon on tipsy to see who would hop on it, and d&d joined it as if it were serious. That makes them scum.

[Porkens]

I forgot this was a micro! Lol

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That's amazing.

If this flips scum, then you're a god Isis.

But like, literally.

Bruh isis get the credit if it’s scum but no doubt you go after me if it’s town that’s fuuuuuucked

[Porkens]

Town lost its best no-sign no-avi stealth hydra

We were too lazy to set one, if anyone wants to send us a nice avi here we'll use it

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Maybe they do get stuff for achievements?

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4. Basically a god of scumplay

I can only imagine this would be scum-specfic?

I guessed that one was based on something someone said once? I searched for the phrase and it seems kinda specific to one user

[Porkens]

Firrrassstttt

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TTTBT is one hundred percent a thing.

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You’ve never heard of LAMIST? TTTBT is like DLAMIST

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DLAMIST is when you do pro-town things to get town cred but don’t highlight it and just let people subtly pick it up. another component is not doing anything that could be considered scummy in order to avoid detection.

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Are you following me on the legolass theory of TTTBT or is this not going anywhere?

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Like you don’t get paranoid when someone convinces you that they are town? I guess I can believe you, but That’s like a super power to me.

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What would I even meme? What’s my motivation?

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I’m sad we roped the doctor. I wish dumb had claimed.

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Oh god....I knew this would happen why did I say anything WHY I should have just jept my mouth shut now everyone is

looking at me

Oh shut up this is what you wanted. You are a total attention w@@@@.

But I have no game theory othe than legolass is town because of the pretty avatar!

So the fuck what? Just make something up and see what happens.

Ok. Like what should I role play as a computer game or fakeclaim a vig shot on Hayasaka or what?

Not my problem. You’ll Just have to think of something.

But where will you be when I need you?

I’ll be drunk, so...just deal

.

[Porkens]

i'm fairly sure porkens is town. i've followed his scum game and he's a lot more relaxed as town
isis, someone told me has a fun tell and i think she's having fun
legolass achievement hunted a lot and i think she can be effectively be ic because she'll get found out later even if she isn't

norwee, george, tipsy, yes?

Really? Which ones?

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Ah, just to clarify, I’m good with the hydra stuff, no prejudice there. it was just the jump on the badly reasoned tipsy wagon that I was clinging to.

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His head is shaped like a brócoli

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That seems like a weird scummy suggestion

P.edit cool cool no worries I’ll think about it

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That was @legolass

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Really? That’s cool.

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Oh the Booz is kicking in, quick ask me anything while my inhibitions are gone

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You arent supposed to quote mod communications.

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This is bullshit! Fake news!

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VOTE: Porkens

Dumb didn't exactly get a chance to claim

No my fault!!! Bagunnnsssss

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Uhhhh ok hold on lemme think here. Like ask me something and I’ll riff on it

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Do you think I'm scummy because I stopped farming achievements once I figured out how they work?

On farming, Achievements of, cessation of, scumminess of,

The Webster English dictionary lists the following definition of achievement: that which is gotten, through effort or ability, particularly with emphasis on personal performance or goal-attainment in the context of competative or individual endeavors as in “the a heivemnt rivals that of reaching the moon and returning safely to the earth.

Mayne people have debated the science of achievements over the ages (google, page 1).

I think achievement hunting is NAI because of personal experience. When I think of acheivemwmts I think of Xbox 360 and playing games for longer than I otherwise would, still clicking away long after any enjoyment of the fame itself has passed. I why? For achievements. Acchievements in games are awesome and fun t get.

Everyone likes them, whether they really do anything or not. So wh I signed up for this game I didn’t know what achievements actually did and I never bothered to check. No just thought it was a sweet bonus mechanic. I hoped they would grant powers or something but it turns out it’s a race to become Ic. While I think that’s kinda cool, it really wasn’t what I was prepared for.

Some people have said hinting achievements is scummy and others have said townie. Still others go on to express that if one tries to get a medium amount of achievements they are more likely strategizing as scum. I don’t know abiht all that and can only speak from my personal experience. Achievements = fun. Oh they don’t do anything really = sad. Oh there might be some strategic aspect to them = oops.

I came into the game trying to get as many as I could. I got some. I think it’s still cool, and I’m excited to see how it affects the game, but otherwise I do t think achievements or the collection or Jon of them is a good reason to scumread someone unless their behavior other wise is also scummy.

How was that I feel like it wasn’t great.

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Like you don’t get paranoid when someone convinces you that they are town? I guess I can believe you, but That’s like a super power to me.

I’ve seen your culdD3 play. You have the amazing superpower of being absolutely convinced that the most obvtown players in the universe are actually scum.

Lol
TTTBT I’m telling you it’s a thing...

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I’m sad we roped the doctor. I wish dumb had claimed.

Yeah this is really ignorant. They were L-2 and it didn’t even seem like they would get lynched until that super Isis/Hayasaka quickhammer. Why expect a claim when they’re not even given intent on D1?

That’s a good point I didn’t really consider when I wrote that

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I’m sad we roped the doctor. I wish dumb had claimed.

Yeah this is really ignorant. They were L-2 and it didn’t even seem like they would get lynched until that super Isis/Hayasaka quickhammer. Why expect a claim when they’re not even given intent on D1?

VOTE: Porkens
Can we fire up the grill. I’m hungry for pork steak.

I’ll omgus here

VOTE: noreweeboy

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It’s just like, a bad vote on a bad wagon yo own?

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Ya know*

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Tsk.

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I don’t remember sheeping isis. If you are referring to my vote on dumb, it was based on them hopping on to a badly-justified wagon

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I think achievement hunting is null and going for them or not is too much wifom to put any stock in it , especially on day 1. The only player I was kind of sus on based on achievements was isis, who looked like they were going after acheivemwmts that had already been claimed

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You acknowledge the Norwegian boy makes a good point about you, and you OMGUS him as a result? I don't get it, Porkens.

Porkens is on B-1 as well beeteedoubleu.

I’m a bad wagon. I think I’m at J-2 since tipsy unvoted?

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Ughhhhhh

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Not really no. I said everything I had last night pretty much.

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How so? You voted me, which is a bad vote because I am a bad wagon. Ergo; oh my god you suck

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Cause I’m town as fuck

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I voted tipsy for a garbage reason
Dumb came onto the wagon as if it were serious, which is scummy and opportunistic
I voted dumb.

I already did my best to townspew, I can’t think of anything else to do

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Well that’s just a difference in interpretation I guess because I stand by those quotes and that progression. I was hoping to bait scum into joining the tipsy wagon, which had no good basis.

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<shrug>
Sorry, I just don’t have it in me right now.

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Or are you voting me without any real justification other than OMGUS even at this point?

Yeah sure this I dunno

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Why do you say I townread tipsy? I don’t townread tipsy. My vote on dumb had nothing to do with townreading tipsy

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No worries I’m aware my brain doesn’t always work logically. VOTE: unvote

I think norwee is town tho.

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God. I think George Bailey is scum.

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What’s he done? What risks has he taken? Where is his

presence

?

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You had me at *farts*

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Im at R-1
I guess

It’s showtime!

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Rope, I guess.

Look I’m not scum and I’d rather not be misroped George Bailey is a good rope.

VOTE: georgebaily

I’m happy to try and get the cheves. But a couple of those things I tried and they didn’t work including editing quotes etc

[Porkens]

You're allowed to say "lynched" as a player. Professor Moriarty eliminated the last player with spikes, but if using metaphors that approximate Jim Crow terrorism as closely as possible is your preference there's like no reason not to use the term you're used to no rule against it

I’m trying, I usually catch it

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Oh I see your objecting to rope. Well, alright fair enough I’ll choose something else. Not trying to defend “lynch” or what it represents.

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Oh I see your objecting to rope. Well, alright fair enough I’ll choose something else. Not trying to defend “lynch” or what it represents.

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I was just thinking about “removed” the only problem I have with eliminate is it’s so long.

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But i think the whole flavor of “mafia” could be changed to something more precise. Dunno what but this game isn’t about a mob really. It’s something else something hihgh

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maybe the tipsy wagon wasn’t so bad

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Why don't you like the idea of going for the chieves and getting yourself confirmed, Porkens? Isis gave some great ideas which you haven't utilised. How many cheese are you on right now?

No I’m fine with it it’s just I have no idea how to get them

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I think lynching Porkens would say a lot about Kanna's alignment because they defended them when they were E-1 earlier.

So what does scum flip or tow flip tell you?

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Ya I’m fairly lost at the moment

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I’m fooled if kanna is scum

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Where have I heard that before...

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I do want achievements
I have never said I don't want avievements
Please, help me get achievements

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2. Antihero - uh talk about that anime in which Misa Amane is a minor character, people theme mafia games after it a lot and it has an antihero or maybe some quotes from the writer from stratford-upon-avon's more conflicted characters.

poin me to some quote or whatever I don't know this anime.



14. Dirty Mouth - uh, use symbols to censor yourself instead of actually cursing like Legolass did.

Pretty sure I already @#$#@#$%^ing tried this you #$%^

15. Egyptian - something to do with walking like an Egyptian. I don't know why I haven't been awarded this already for my account name, seems unfair.
?tfel ot tghir gnitirw



23. Indecisive - submit a night action and retract it. I bet Moriarty would count fast night requests if this isn't role madness.

or maybe VOTE: votelegolass[/v]

24. It's a Party Now - post a pic of a drink? I'm stumped

Can anyone verify that posting pics has given any achievement it seems unlikely to me.

40. Revisionist - request a BBcode fix from the mod? maliciously falsify modifying a quote from someone else instead of doing it to your own as an ebwop? Link your past metagames. Someone should do that just for all of them more or less.

I did the second idea here

41. Rule-Follower - I wondered if they'd put a pedantic rule in the ruleset that gives a chieve for being strictly obedient or whatever

I tried quoting the rules calling someone out for not following the rules. maybe its a general gameplay rule? dunno.

44. Understudy - If it's an award for replacing in that's kind of wonky cause an Ideal game of mafia has no achievements. I think making a post that is exactly the text of someone else would work, like learning the main character's lines

I agree with isis!!

47. What's-His-Face - likely some form of flubbing the mod's names, or referring to a player incorrectly, or temporarily removing your avatar (or changing your avatar)

I think these would just be so hard to catch as the mod seems like a pain in the but I feel like it has to be very obvious? what do you thing Ishfish?

49. You broke the internet - probably not this one but somebody should rickroll somebody

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50. You Never Saw That - Hm has anyone placed a vote and unvoted in the same post (preferably without other excessive content?)[/quote]

I thought I did.


actually VOTE: unvote

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@mod please fix that paragraph so it breaks the forum window

VOTE: isis
VOTE: unvote

what do you need here?

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I have 5

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yeah I feel I pretty much shot my wad page 1. not against getting more, just not optimistic

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Legs isn’t a strong SR to me or I’d be fine with it

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What do really hate tipsys vote on Norwee too

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God let I saw it was anti town to tell the scum how many we had

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Last*

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I’ve been distracted by other things I’m sorry.

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C C D E E D D

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I just don’t think posting images will do anything. That seems outside the spirit of the achievement.

I think the people who are like “hey yeah let’s eat porkens” but don’t vote are pretty sus.

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What m the only one getting measured for a ham sandwich

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I’m*

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How many players have expressed a willingness to eat me? It’s hard to keep track.

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It's "mention a scummer who's not in the game", I wish I hadn't mentioned mith in my first post so it could present a deep existential question about whether Hectic is secret alting in this game since I mentioned him shortly later.

Oh that’s clever.

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OK Tipsy is Scum here's why:

Spoiler:

i for one dont want to be confirmed town so i will not achievment farm (:

No you don't want to be confirmed mafia. Also if you were town you wouldn't out this strategy as described below:

There was a game that had a gold-getting mechanic that you could use to buy stuff from a wal-mart like neighborizing stones and other second-tier PR things. I was scum in that game and did everything I could to get gold and buy all the goodies. I don't know if I was specifically townread for it but I totally got away with lolhammers in order to get gold and we ended up winning as scum.

I just don't think it's AI since both town and scum want prizes...just my IMO

ooook but u realize the prize for getting lots of achievements is having ur alignment confirmedwhich only town would want to do

Knows what the prize is, explains outlaid why scum don't want it.

just gonna patiently wait until every1 is redy to play mafia (:

because of the "most achievements has their alignemt nconfirmed" mechanic, the optimal strategy here is actually for no1 to achievement hunt so scum doesnt know who to shot and could even get confirmed themselfves. tht ship has sailed thou

still posting about this

maybe ppl could use ooc tags when theyre speaking nonsense to try and farm achievements. and then we wouldnt have to trty and distinguish between real reads and whatever that just now is LOL

"here's another reason I'm not playing"

wHY ME????

Fry Me

sry lol i dont have much to say tihs game so far? i have though about it and like porkmun said, ppl joined this game to hunt achivements. so i dont think achievemtn hunting is especialy alignment indicative. wouldnt be shocked if some ppl even missed what achievments actually do, since it wasnt exactly front and center in the ruls. i actually misunderstood it at first myself: i missed the part about lylo an d thought it was some1 gets confirmed every day, hence wh yi was saying dont claim ur achieement count and that mafia would hunt the high achievement ppl.

This strategy doesn't even make sense. You are saying we shouldn't CLAIM how many we have but what you should be telling us is not to try and get them at all. If you really wanted scum to have more achievements you would not bring this up in this way.

gbailey do u wanna joi na townbloc? [=

That's a throwaway scum post insincere town bloc invitation with dramatic drunk posting on top.

Hayasaka doesn't actually make a lot of sense to me. She was acting townie but she probably had the most chieves too, so scum could've just left her alive till lylo and let her be the confirmed town which doesn't really matter because everyone townread her anyway. Does that make sense?
Now, scum have to have someone else be confirmed in lylo anyway.

welcome to the townbloc

STILL going on about this - this is your only angle into the game and its beyond a gimmick at this point. You are using it as a crutch to stay in the conversation.

kinda trust kanna tbh

why?

~~~~~~~~reasons~~~~~~~~

Naw.

SECRET reasons

Naw.

UNVOTE:
hey uh that was e-1

sooooooo you DONT want to eliminator Norwee. but you do. but you don't. IDGI.

VOTE: tipsy

[Porkens]

Isis are you isis?

And people townread this?

[Porkens]

Eh, feels reachy

[Porkens]

I want to townbin GeorgeBailey, if I lose this game because he was scum I get to be so proud of him for post 397 being in his scumrange.

Yer starting to creep me out with this scum range crap!

[Porkens]

Kanna what's your scumcase against me? Is it still my meme scumhunt?

Really? Town? Yeah?

[Porkens]

Are you saying you townread GB Porkens?

No I do not, but im sensing familiar pattern of confidence based on meta reads that are beyond my knowledge.

[Porkens]

Dawww thank you Isis

[Porkens]

Kanna what's your scumcase against me? Is it still my meme scumhunt?

Really? Town? Yeah?

Unrelated I think I misread this heorgepost somehow it’s not that bad

[Porkens]

I don't think Kanna is able to comprehend the concept of OMGUS.

GeorgeBailey
Kanna
NorwegianboyEE
Tipsy
Isis
Porkens

VOTE: Porkens

Kanna has no self-preservation. She's defending Porkens while he's her counterwagon. Doesn't rule out Kanna + Porkens of course but that's unlikely.

Porken's scumcase on Tipsy is pretty bad.

Bullshit. Justify that statement.

[Porkens]

i can both be town and not want to be confirmed town and also think it's towny for people to achievement hunt
ftr i was under the impression the confirmations happened every day, not just lylo.

the rest of ur case just seems to be a litany of "tells" to which all i can say is "well ur tells are wrong". the thing at the end i guess i can rspond to. i unvoted norweegian because we had an acciental hammer d1 so i wanted to avoid that happening again. not to mention i was less confidant on that read than i am now.

I think this is a fine response to your case, Porkens. You need to elaborate on those tells.

What're your thoughts on Porkens, Isis? Other than how dashing he is obviously.

This response, other than the last point, is “your tells are bad”. Which “tells” do you want me to elaborate on? Which ones are unclear / what do you find wrong about it?

[Porkens]

OK Tipsy is Scum here's why:

i for one dont want to be confirmed town so i will not achievment farm (:

No you don't want to be confirmed mafia. Also if you were town you wouldn't out this strategy as described below:

This is fair. Not wanting to be confirmed is scum equity.

There was a game that had a gold-getting mechanic that you could use to buy stuff from a wal-mart like neighborizing stones and other second-tier PR things. I was scum in that game and did everything I could to get gold and buy all the goodies. I don't know if I was specifically townread for it but I totally got away with lolhammers in order to get gold and we ended up winning as scum.

I just don't think it's AI since both town and scum want prizes...just my IMO

ooook but u realize the prize for getting lots of achievements is having ur alignment confirmedwhich only town would want to do

Knows what the prize is, explains outlaid why scum don't want it.

I don't see how why it's scummy to out this logic. She can townread other hunters while not wanting to be confirmed herself.

just gonna patiently wait until every1 is redy to play mafia (:

because of the "most achievements has their alignemt nconfirmed" mechanic, the optimal strategy here is actually for no1 to achievement hunt so scum doesnt know who to shot and could even get confirmed themselfves. tht ship has sailed thou

still posting about this

Don't see why that's scummy.

maybe ppl could use ooc tags when theyre speaking nonsense to try and farm achievements. and then we wouldnt have to trty and distinguish between real reads and whatever that just now is LOL

"here's another reason I'm not playing"

It was a helpful suggestion. You're twisting it as her giving an excuse for not playing, when she never stated this.

wHY ME????

Fry Me

?

sry lol i dont have much to say tihs game so far? i have though about it and like porkmun said, ppl joined this game to hunt achivements. so i dont think achievemtn hunting is especialy alignment indicative. wouldnt be shocked if some ppl even missed what achievments actually do, since it wasnt exactly front and center in the ruls. i actually misunderstood it at first myself: i missed the part about lylo an d thought it was some1 gets confirmed every day, hence wh yi was saying dont claim ur achieement count and that mafia would hunt the high achievement ppl.

This strategy doesn't even make sense. You are saying we shouldn't CLAIM how many we have but what you should be telling us is not to try and get them at all. If you really wanted scum to have more achievements you would not bring this up in this way.

Actually, she did suggest that in 117 - you even quoted it above. Hayasaka and I had too many chives for her to push for us to try and let scum get them by accident, pursuing that endeavour was fruitless. Like an oak tree.

gbailey do u wanna joi na townbloc? [=

That's a throwaway scum post insincere town bloc invitation with dramatic drunk posting on top.

And you read it as insincere how exactly?

Hayasaka doesn't actually make a lot of sense to me. She was acting townie but she probably had the most chieves too, so scum could've just left her alive till lylo and let her be the confirmed town which doesn't really matter because everyone townread her anyway. Does that make sense?
Now, scum have to have someone else be confirmed in lylo anyway.

welcome to the townbloc

STILL going on about this - this is your only angle into the game and its beyond a gimmick at this point. You are using it as a crutch to stay in the conversation.

I don't get it. I don't think she was bloccing me for chove hunting but for the thought process there maybe? Please eloborate, Topsy.

kinda trust kanna tbh

why?

~~~~~~~~reasons~~~~~~~~

Naw.

Yee

SECRET reasons

Naw.

Haw

UNVOTE:
hey uh that was e-1

sooooooo you DONT want to eliminator Norwee. but you do. but you don't. IDGI.

I think the scared of lolhammers explanation is fine, and is consistent with her 643.

VOTE: tipsy

Oh fun I’ll respond when I can get to a computer.

[Porkens]

Didn’t mean to quote sorry everyone

[Porkens]

OK Tipsy is Scum here's why:

i for one dont want to be confirmed town so i will not achievment farm (:

No you don't want to be confirmed mafia. Also if you were town you wouldn't out this strategy as described below:

This is fair. Not wanting to be confirmed is scum equity.

Great.

There was a game that had a gold-getting mechanic that you could use to buy stuff from a wal-mart like neighborizing stones and other second-tier PR things. I was scum in that game and did everything I could to get gold and buy all the goodies. I don't know if I was specifically townread for it but I totally got away with lolhammers in order to get gold and we ended up winning as scum.

I just don't think it's AI since both town and scum want prizes...just my IMO

ooook but u realize the prize for getting lots of achievements is having ur alignment confirmedwhich only town would want to do

Knows what the prize is, explains outlaid why scum don't want it.

I don't see how why it's scummy to out this logic. She can townread other hunters while not wanting to be confirmed herself.

The scummy part is she knows what the achievements do.

just gonna patiently wait until every1 is redy to play mafia (:

because of the "most achievements has their alignemt nconfirmed" mechanic, the optimal strategy here is actually for no1 to achievement hunt so scum doesnt know who to shot and could even get confirmed themselfves. tht ship has sailed thou

still posting about this

Don't see why that's scummy.

It’s an easy topic to talk about to be present not not engage.

maybe ppl could use ooc tags when theyre speaking nonsense to try and farm achievements. and then we wouldnt have to trty and distinguish between real reads and whatever that just now is LOL

"here's another reason I'm not playing"

It was a helpful suggestion. You're twisting it as her giving an excuse for not playing, when she never stated this.

But she herself is still not playing, only grousing- more filler whether the suggestion was good or not. Not leading by example because not really interested in playing.

wHY ME????

Fry Me

?

Why me = fry me

sry lol i dont have much to say tihs game so far? i have though about it and like porkmun said, ppl joined this game to hunt achivements. so i dont think achievemtn hunting is especialy alignment indicative. wouldnt be shocked if some ppl even missed what achievments actually do, since it wasnt exactly front and center in the ruls. i actually misunderstood it at first myself: i missed the part about lylo an d thought it was some1 gets confirmed every day, hence wh yi was saying dont claim ur achieement count and that mafia would hunt the high achievement ppl.

This strategy doesn't even make sense. You are saying we shouldn't CLAIM how many we have but what you should be telling us is not to try and get them at all. If you really wanted scum to have more achievements you would not bring this up in this way.

Actually, she did suggest that in 117 - you even quoted it above. Hayasaka and I had too many chives for her to push for us to try and let scum get them by accident, pursuing that endeavour was fruitless. Like an oak tree.

Ok fair enough then it’s just LAMIST

gbailey do u wanna joi na townbloc? [=

That's a throwaway scum post insincere town bloc invitation with dramatic drunk posting on top.

And you read it as insincere how exactly?

Maybe I’m insere is the wrong word. Vacuous and silly, ineffectual, trite, meaningless. I’m glad you recognize the drunk magic performance tho.

Hayasaka doesn't actually make a lot of sense to me. She was acting townie but she probably had the most chieves too, so scum could've just left her alive till lylo and let her be the confirmed town which doesn't really matter because everyone townread her anyway. Does that make sense?
Now, scum have to have someone else be confirmed in lylo anyway.

welcome to the townbloc

STILL going on about this - this is your only angle into the game and its beyond a gimmick at this point. You are using it as a crutch to stay in the conversation.

I don't get it. I don't think she was bloccing me for chove hunting but for the thought process there maybe? Please eloborate, Topsy.

It’s insubstantial she’s just harping in about the same topic as I said like a crutch. There’s no headway to be made through her chasing this point it’s just noise and smoke.

kinda trust kanna tbh

why?

~~~~~~~~reasons~~~~~~~~

Naw.

Yee

Nope.

SECRET reasons

Naw.

Haw

Hee

UNVOTE:
hey uh that was e-1

sooooooo you DONT want to eliminator Norwee. but you do. but you don't. IDGI.

I think the scared of lolhammers explanation is fine, and is consistent with her 643.

But other than this unvote she shows no change in read am I missing something?

VOTE: tipsy

Had to do it from my phone

[Porkens]

Yeah I don’t really have a problem with the argumentation.

[Porkens]

ISIs, tipsy, kanna, are any of you going to hammer me?

[Porkens]

I did! I went for as many as I could on page 1 and....lemme check something

[Porkens]

Posting in all caps did not give me CaPiTaL OfFeNsE and I’m intrigued about Egyptian

I was trying most of day 1, until I ran out of ideas how to get them.

On day real today I looked at the list and didn’t have ideas how to get them.

[Porkens]

I was mostly focused on reading for scum rather than getting involved and I had already tried to get a couple that were suggested and felt that the ideas wouldn’t work

[Porkens]

no, no, I meant early d2 when it was suggested you get them for the cop check? I remember there being a long list, but I don’t recall you trying to get them much

mmmm I saw that grand idea just ended and porkens was scum in it so I think I may have majorly underestimated porkens. (it’s a compliment!)

@porkens, would you say the reasons I townread you for were good?

I’m not sure, I’d like to say my play is based more on my place in the game state rather than my role and when I’m townread I’m definitely more relaxed unless I’m hot on the scent.

In Treestump I was scared all the time because for scum it was a razor edge from day one. So I lurked and took potshots and found ONE thing to grab on to as my guiding star: chem’s semiscummy gambit/rxn. And I just harped on that all game.

In grand idea, I replaced into a slot which had already fake claimed, and was pretty badly scumread, so the bar was really low to begin with. In that game I just made my fake claim my anchor point and that’s all anyone engaged me on for most of the rest of the game. also that was multiball so I could just scumhunt as normal. So I never felt relaxed but I felt a lot safer than I did in stump.

[Porkens]

ISIs, tipsy, kanna, are any of you going to hammer me?

would that advance my wincon

I don’t know but I’m having these hot flashes of “no” from time to time.

[Porkens]

yeah!! i loved those games (: been awhile tho, dont have flash anymor..

tbh i did say "FIRST" hoping it might be an achievey (it wasnt) but then every1 else started like, REALLY GOIN HAM on the farming and i was like "uhh im not gonna put in that level of effort"

This doesn't really make sense, Topsy. You went for an avocado with your first post, but then everyone else going for them put you off? It would only put you off if your objective was to get the most and be confirmed - which you claim never was something you wanted. I don't see why it'd put you off if your objective was to have fun achievement hunting.

ppl were spam posting all the obvious ones. racing to spam the thread didnt seem fun. ur wrong that this doesn't make sense and i expect an apology when i am revealed to be town, whenever that may be.

OH! I get it. You were salty because you thought it was going to be a fun Easter egg hunt where everyone got candy but then all the big kids ran you over and sucked up all the eggs before you could get to them. The rest is just you sour grapesing with “aw who wants those dumm ok’ Easter eggs anyway” because you only got one plastic egg full of licorice jelly beans.

Why didn’t you say so sooner?

VOTE: unvote

Isis is hats your read on norwee and why?

[Porkens]

like I totally sympathize

[Porkens]

Well thanks no worries

[Porkens]

2. Antihero - uh talk about that anime in which Misa Amane is a minor character, people theme mafia games after it a lot and it has an antihero
or maybe some quotes from the writer from stratford-upon-avon's more conflicted characters
5. Beetlejuice - it's probably posting write after you are quoted or your name is said

14. Dirty Mouth - uh, use symbols to censor yourself instead of actually cursing like Legolass did.
15. Egyptian - something to do with walking like an Egyptian. I don't know why I haven't been awarded this already for my account name, seems unfair.

23. Indecisive - submit a night action and retract it. I bet Moriarty would count fast night requests if this isn't role madness.
24. It's a Party Now - post a pic of a drink? I'm stumped

40. Revisionist - request a BBcode fix from the mod? maliciously falsify modifying a quote from someone else instead of doing it to your own as an ebwop? Link your past metagames. Someone should do that just for all of them more or less.

41. Rule-Follower - I wondered if they'd put a pedantic rule in the ruleset that gives a chieve for being strictly obedient or whatever
44. Understudy - If it's an award for replacing in that's kind of wonky cause an Ideal game of mafia has no achievements. I think making a post that is exactly the text of someone else would work, like learning the main character's lines

47. What's-His-Face - likely some form of flubbing the mod's names, or referring to a player incorrectly, or temporarily removing your avatar (or changing your avatar)
49. You broke the internet - probably not this one but somebody should rickroll somebody
50. You Never Saw That - Hm has anyone placed a vote and unvoted in the same post (preferably without other excessive content?)

This is a perfect post for scum to make. It is verbose, so it looks like activity. It is in service to a popular theory, so it fits right in. It has minimal potential impact on the gamestate, so it won’t blow up in her face. It’s related to game mechanics, so it’s An opportunity to be entirely truthful about something. And, this is the best part, it does nothing to help town find scum.

[Porkens]

VOTE: isis

[Porkens]

Porkens, Topsy having an understandable reason for not chove hunting doesn't address a lot of your reasons for scumreading her.

I don’t know what you are talking about anymore. You asked I answered. I’m tired of this conversation, next.

[Porkens]

Oh I remember this game now. No the revaluation about her mental state based on being disappointed clears up all her scum vibes for me.

[Porkens]

VOTE: Porkens

1065 explains why Isis's post is a good one for scum to make, but doesn't explain why it's more likely to come from scum than town.

"It does nothing to help town find scum" ignores Isis's other posts and is pretty bad reasoning, like he's honed in on one post that doesn't do that, and is using it for the basis of his vote and ignoring whether she does that in the rest of her ISO. Isis's reaction to it is pretty weird too.

God ARE you just lazy scum? Your pushing me for a misjoint from 3 different angles.

[Porkens]

Are bad pushes scum indicative?

What’s bad about them?

[Porkens]

No I think they are both reasonably OK for where we are in the game.

I see what you are saying but I guess we need to define “bad” cases. For me a “bad” case is one that is trying to push an agenda rather than anything else.

Is there a better case out there at this point? It looks like all feels to me.

1065 does implicitly say that it’s more likely scum because it’s a good post for scum to make. It’s focused on one post in one point in time, it does ignore it their posts it’s an isolated point.

Legolass feels opportunistic to me.

[Porkens]

Ugh that’s fair

[Porkens]

Nah actually no it’s not fair. You have no idea where her mind is so while you read the game that way she may not.

[Porkens]

Her read seems to follow the tide is what I’m saying. Could be wrong not going to double check before I hit submit but that how I feel. But my gut says she’s a red herring

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote

[Porkens]

Second point first; that’s fair I’m biased and lashing out.

First point second: i think town can sometimes make intentionally bad pushes to stir up the game state and see what bubbles up. Like day 1 I made an intentionally bad push on tipsy to see who would sheep onto the wagon.

But In general since town don’t have a clue sometimes you have to go fishing for a drunk if you follow my meaning

[Porkens]

Causing a non Legolass exile is kind of effortless for her in this gamestate do if she needs to be opportunistic you need to posit a partner??

isis translator please? D:

I’m not certified but I thought she meant that Legolass is in a safe spot game wise and needn’t resort to opportunism?

[Porkens]

I can't remember being mislynched in ExLo since returning from hiatus in spring 2019.
Actually I can't recall a game where I was mislynched in ExLo although I'm sure it's happened.
In the recent Triad Conspiracy I kind of was kind of wasn't, I was the most scumread player and that was the basis for leashing the setup the way it was leashed to destroy my 3 person grouping, but it was a game winning not game losing move to destroy the grouping because the other two were scum, which demonstrates that that's a bad setup.
It's probably not strategic for me to farm achievements, which makes things less fun.

I just realized what a huge troll you can be

[Porkens]

George/Tipsy
Isis/kanna/LEGO
Norwee

[Porkens]

My tone changed because I can see the tide shifting against me and I needed to do something to not be eliminated. That’s nul.
I called you opportunistic because you came at me around the same time of that shift in public opinion. Whether that was opportunity to apply pressure or opportunity to get a potential miselim is unknown at this time.
It is taking a monumental force of will not to hammer norwee. Ask him what happened in cult3d about that.

[Porkens]

Pretty sure you should claim, boy from Norway.

I am lost. I'll report back tomorrow after I have another result using my investigative role.

Uhhhh what?

[Porkens]

There’s no need to compromise.
VOTE: norwee. Go for it.

[Porkens]

Are you following me on the legolass theory of TTTBT or is this not going anywhere?

[Porkens]

That’s a crumb. Don’t miss it.

[Porkens]

I should have lolhammered you. Ah well, next time.

[Porkens]

Nah, it’ll be obvious.

[Porkens]

VOTE: Porkens

1065 explains why Isis's post is a good one for scum to make, but doesn't explain why it's more likely to come from scum than town.

"It does nothing to help town find scum" ignores Isis's other posts and is pretty bad reasoning, like he's honed in on one post that doesn't do that, and is using it for the basis of his vote and ignoring whether she does that in the rest of her ISO. Isis's reaction to it is pretty weird too.

God ARE you just lazy scum? Your pushing me for a misjoint from 3 different angles.

[Porkens]

I’m a ————
snoopy, walky, shadow
thought LEGO was scummy I ———- her
Went no where, learned nothin, much sadness
What's happening?
I'm a ———. yeah

[Porkens]

Oh no? You seemed pretty good at it on the last page.

[Porkens]

It’s was a really pleasant game with people who were nice to each other and had fun. Big <3 to you all