Micro 964: Your Nightmare GAME OVER!

[beeboy]

Alright, out with it, who chose “being bad at mafia”? Seriously, I just wanna talk

[beeboy]

I feel a lot like I have Nahdia’s fear because I think “being bad at mafia” is a trolly sort of thing and that seems like something Nahdia would do?

So if I die nahdia is prob scum

I think Nahdia would take the submission seriously since Jingle requested it in the setup post.
I don't think they would risk disrespecting him like that unless Nahdia is truly afraid of being bad at mafia.

pedit: this post may not apply to me

[beeboy]

I think a common misconception which causes town to lose is it's ok for town to die, mafia balance typically assumes all players are trying to live when town half the time town don't care for whatever personal reason they have.

So town shouldn't want to out their fears either.

Part of the fun of this setup is going to be exploring fears. If you guys think it would be more fun I'll answer personal questions that may or may not out myself. But that would be me playing to my enjoyment not what is even a slightly good idea for town.

[beeboy]

I don't want to say the tactical approach since I don't think you guys realize what it is and it isn't even slightly fun.
But the best idea is for every living player to target the 2nd largest wagon and not think about who could have what fear.

Essentially always enabling a 2nd kill for the town.

[beeboy]

why would town want to out their fears? have we reached that point already? :>

People don't like living idk.

[beeboy]

I don't want to say the tactical approach since I don't think you guys realize what it is and it isn't even slightly fun.
But the best idea is for every living player to target the 2nd largest wagon and not think about who could have what fear.

Essentially always enabling a 2nd kill for the town.

This plan fails when idiots like me won't cooperate because "hehe what's the fun in playing smart when I can play stupid".
But I guess if I am the only one who wants to play stupid I'll sacrifice my fun for the group

[beeboy]

Mena btw, I think you made a mistake outing who you are.
If you hold the power to kill a mafia you are going to die night 1.

[beeboy]

I mean, I wasn’t exactly thinking EV when I entered aha, I was much more thinking “cmon who tf submitted this ”

Like I gave a serious genuine fear of mine and I thought this one was jokey, but I guess you’re right that no one in this playerlist would do that when jingle specifically asked people not to? So maybe I’m being a bit mean by teasing that someone submitted this, my b

I am thinking of EV but disregarding it for the most part.
I thought out a few ways for town to win the game and I am trying to make sure I don't literally throw.

But I am just going to read as many GTKAS threads as I can while questioning everyone else and will kill whoever is afraid of me unless they are literal obvious town


Re: Actual important topic.

I almost put down the fear of failure which largely includes mafia as my fear. So don't worry fear of mafia person I get you <3
I just think that would be so absurdly obvious to be my fear as soon as I start talking about myself I didn't do it.
Along with the fact I am trying to overcome my anxiety/ fear of that.
While the fear I put down I have 0 plans of overcoming because fuck what I put down.

[beeboy]

I can't find a natural way of bringing this up so here I go.

@mod

(this is a 4 fun post)

Jingle was actually my IC in my second game on site which was also my first newbie game.
I did not read any of the IC posts that stated how to get better at the game or if I did none of them ended up hitting my long term memory.

But he posted a list of wiki pages on things you should explicitly not do. I read most if not all of them and "Slayer's Gambit" really stuck out to me as an incredibly awesome way to catch scum. I was constantly bordering being lynched so I might as well gain something out of it right? I hit L-1, caught town and after explaining myself Jingle was very upset I used a start in his "do not touch" list .

Pro tip do not do things people tell you explicitly not to do!

[beeboy]

6 years later I still remember letting jingle down D:

[beeboy]

what if you act scummy on purpose and then vote anyone who still townreads you.

I town read people who play like that because I am stupid.
Don't tell anyone it's easy to play around that.

[beeboy]

Mene, you're kidding about the fear you got, right?

What's Slayer Gambit?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 27s_Gambit

This is the link that made everyone want to strangle me in my first ever newbie game <3

[beeboy]

This is a beautiful player list for such a social game btw.
Can I make a questionnaire scum can use to out all of our fears and promptly make us lose this game?

I think it would be fun.

[beeboy]

Awful Questionaire of outing all our fears.

1. Chara
   
2. Menalque
   
3. Nahdia
   
4. Aristophanes
   
5. Isis
   
6. Billy Pilgrim
   
7. beeboy - TBD
   
8. Hectic - Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?
   
9. GeorgeBailey

[beeboy]

Please do not answer until the forms is complete.
This is now a step in confirmation, since not confirming is illegal I will have to lynch you for not participating.
(Keep in mind you can refrain from answering questions you deem too personal, confirmation only requires you add a question you yourself answer)
Thank you.

[beeboy]

Awful Questionaire of outing all our fears.

1. Chara
   
2. Menalque
   
3. Nahdia
   
4. Aristophanes
   
5. Isis
   
6. Billy Pilgrim
   
7. beeboy - What is your dream job?
   
8. Hectic - Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?
   
9. GeorgeBailey

[beeboy]

Awful Questionaire of outing all our fears.

1. Chara
   
2. Menalque
   
3. Nahdia
   
4. Aristophanes
   
5. Isis
   
6. Billy Pilgrim - Have you ever experienced your fear?
   
7. beeboy - What is your dream job?
   
8. Hectic - Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?
   
9. GeorgeBailey - How often do you face your fear?

Rules

1. You must submit a question. You may change your question before the questionnaire is finalized.
   
2. You must answer your own question.
   
3. Answer the questions after the questionnaire is complete (including your own)
   
4. Under no circumstance should you answer a question you do not want to.
   
5. Do not judge someone for not answering a question unless you have a strong reason to think it's scummy.

[beeboy]

Something to keep in mind, if you make your question tailored too specifically to who you are.
Scum may be able to figure that out.

Don't want to throw to have fun even thought this mini game is largely throwing in nature >__>

[beeboy]

Awful Questionnaire of outing all our fears.

1. Chara - do you have reccuring nightmares?
   
2. Menalque
   
3. Nahdia
   
4. Aristophanes
   
5. Isis
   
6. Billy Pilgrim - Have you ever experienced your fear?
   
7. beeboy - In your own mind do you consider your fear to be rationale?
   
8. Hectic - Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?
   
9. GeorgeBailey - How often do you face your fear?

Rules

1. You must submit a question. You may change your question before the questionnaire is finalized.
   
2. You must answer your own question.
   
3. Answer the questions after the questionnaire is complete (including your own)
   
4. Under no circumstance should you answer a question you do not want to.
   
5. Do not judge someone for not answering a question unless you have a strong reason to think it's scummy.

[beeboy]

In the wcent of this news, I would like to change my question to: "Who are scum, Jingle?"

He is just going to rule 4 the question idk.

[beeboy]

Awful Questionnaire of outing all our fears.

1. Chara - Do you have recurring nightmares?
   
2. Menalque - Are you more afraid of failing others or of being failed by others, and why?
   
3. Nahdia
   
4. Aristophanes
   
5. Isis
   
6. Billy Pilgrim - Have you ever experienced your fear?
   
7. beeboy - In your own mind do you consider your fear to be rationale?
   
8. Hectic - Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?
   
9. GeorgeBailey - How often do you face your fear?

Rules

1. You must submit a question. You may change your question before the questionnaire is finalized.
   
2. You must answer your own question.
   
3. Answer the questions after the questionnaire is complete (including your own)
   
4. Under no circumstance should you answer a question you do not want to.
   
5. Do not judge someone for not answering a question unless you have a strong reason to think it's scummy.

[beeboy]

I was thinking we are all just mature enough to accept if someone doesn't answer a question. (rule 4)
I am going to cyber bully the shit out of someone if they try that in our fun question game.

[beeboy]

Awful Questionnaire of outing all our fears.

1. Chara - Do you have recurring nightmares?
   
2. Menalque - Are you more afraid of failing others or of being failed by others, and why?
   
3. Nahdia
   
4. Aristophanes
   
5. Isis
   
6. Billy Pilgrim - Have you ever experienced your fear?
   
7. beeboy - In your own mind do you consider your fear to be rationale?
   
8. Hectic - Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?
   
9. GeorgeBailey - How often do you face your fear?

Rules

1. You must submit a question. You may change your question before the questionnaire is finalized.
   
2. You must answer your own question.
   
3. Answer the questions after the questionnaire is complete (including your own)
   
4. Under no circumstance should you answer a question you do not want to.
   
5. Do not judge someone for not answering a question unless you have a strong reason to think it's scummy.

[beeboy]

My ISO is the most important by a large margin.
Very understandable.

[beeboy]

Awful Questionnaire of outing all our fears.

1. Chara - Do you have recurring nightmares?
   
2. Menalque - Are you more afraid of failing others or of being failed by others, and why?
   
3. Nahdia - Is your fear common?
   
4. Aristophanes -
   
5. Isis -
   
6. Billy Pilgrim - Have you ever experienced your fear?
   
7. beeboy - In your own mind do you consider your fear to be rationale?
   
8. Hectic - Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?
   
9. GeorgeBailey - How often do you face your fear?

Rules

1. You must submit a question. You may change your question before the questionnaire is finalized.
   
2. You must answer your own question.
   
3. Answer the questions after the questionnaire is complete (including your own)
   
4. Under no circumstance should you answer a question you do not want to.
   
5. Do not judge someone for not answering a question unless you have a strong reason to think it's scummy.

[beeboy]

Do you fear failure more when you have no evidence of success, or do you feel failure the most when it would ruin lots of success?

This is your question correct?

[beeboy]

It's just for fun anyway don't worry about it.

To talk about mafia so I don't leave this game with 6 people hating me.

What makes this play "town" over "can come from town". Basically I am not sure why you think I wouldn't approach the game this way as scum.
To cut the whole "I decided this after reading the setup", all my setup spec and what I wanted to do this game was determined post receiving my role pm. Which is actually very rare for me in open games.

I probably should have asked Mena this question as well but his read felt like it more came out of hope for a fun game then a serious read.

[beeboy]

errr I meant to say "before reading my role pm."

[beeboy]

You absolutely make the questionaire as both alignments, I just think as a dictiony toneready thing I am seeing a town execution of it. IT's gutty

I'd probably do this more often as scum, I did think about winning this game for a bit. But what's the fun in playing a super town sided game where we coordinate shots?

I don't like calling myself town but there is single thing I would have done as scum to hurt town a tad more. It's actually something Mena did, do you want to take a guess before I spoil the surprise?

I've been fiddling my thumbs deciding if it's actually scum indicative or not which is why I want to talk about it.

[beeboy]

Awful Questionnaire of outing all our fears.

1. Chara - Do you have recurring nightmares?
   
2. Menalque - Are you more afraid of failing others or of being failed by others, and why?
   
3. Nahdia -
   
4. Aristophanes - What is the best advice you've gotten for tackling your fear?
   
5. Isis - Do you fear failure more when you have no evidence of success, or do you feel failure the most when it would ruin lots of success?
   
6. Billy Pilgrim - Have you ever experienced your fear?
   
7. beeboy - In your own mind do you consider your fear to be rationale?
   
8. Hectic - Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?
   
9. GeorgeBailey - How often do you face your fear?

Rules

1. You must submit a question. You may change your question before the questionnaire is finalized.
   
2. You must answer your own question.
   
3. Answer the questions after the questionnaire is complete (including your own)
   
4. Under no circumstance should you answer a question you do not want to.
   
5. Do not judge someone for not answering a question unless you have a strong reason to think it's scummy.

[beeboy]

shhhhhh I am simulating my real modding by missing things.

[beeboy]

Ari's question seems equivalent to fear massclaim I thought were were going to half-throw instead of full-throw

Ngl I've been thinking about how to answer it without actually answering it >__>

[beeboy]

The questionnaire is now complete, you can find the forms below. I probably wouldn't out myself answering something too directly. But you do you I guess?

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[quote="Chara""]Do you have recurring nightmares?[/quote]

[quote="Menalque"]Are you more afraid of failing others or of being failed by others, and why?[/quote]

[quote="Nahdia"]Is your fear common?[/quote]

[quote="Aristophanes"]What is the best advice you've gotten for tackling your fear?[/quote]

[quote="Isis"]Do you fear failure more when you have no evidence of success, or do you feel failure the most when it would ruin lots of success?[/quote]

[quote="Billy Pilgrim"] Have you ever experienced your fear?[/quote]

[quote="Beeboy"]In your own mind do you consider your fear to be rationale?[/quote]

[quote="Hectic"]Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?[/quote]

[quote="GeorgeBailey"]How often do you face your fear?

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[*]Isis - Do you fear failure more when you have no evidence of success, or do you feel failure the most when it would ruin lots of success?
[*]Billy Pilgrim - Have you ever experienced your fear?
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[beeboy]

The questionnaire is now complete, you can find the forms below. I probably wouldn't out myself answering something too directly. But you do you I guess?

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[quote="Chara""]Do you have recurring nightmares?[/quote]

[quote="Menalque"]Are you more afraid of failing others or of being failed by others, and why?[/quote]

[quote="Nahdia"]Is your fear common?[/quote]

[quote="Aristophanes"]Have you tried following advice for tackling your fear and does it work?[/quote]

[quote="Isis"]Do you fear failure more when you have no evidence of success, or do you feel failure the most when it would ruin lots of success?[/quote]

[quote="Billy Pilgrim"] Have you ever experienced your fear?[/quote]

[quote="Beeboy"]In your own mind do you consider your fear to be rationale?[/quote]

[quote="Hectic"]Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?[/quote]

[quote="GeorgeBailey"]How often do you face your fear?

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[*]Menalque - Are you more afraid of failing others or of being failed by others, and why?
[*]Nahdia - Is your fear common?
[*]Aristophanes - Have you tried following advice for tackling your fear and does it work?
[*]Isis - Do you fear failure more when you have no evidence of success, or do you feel failure the most when it would ruin lots of success?
[*]Billy Pilgrim - Have you ever experienced your fear?
[*]beeboy - In your own mind do you consider your fear to be rationale? 
[*]Hectic - Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?
[*]GeorgeBailey - How often do you face your fear?[/list][/area]

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Now featuring Ari's new quote and Nahdia's quote which I lost a 2nd time!

[beeboy]

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[beeboy]

[quote="Chara""]Do you have recurring nightmares?[/quote]

I wouldn't say recurring because I think that implies the dreams are near identical. But my fear does appear in my dreams and I dream consistently.

Are you more afraid of failing others or of being failed by others, and why?

I think in general if someone else has "failed me" it doesn’t bother me it’s not something I have any agency over and not something I can fix moving forward.
When I fail others it is something I have full control over and as a result is something that sticks with me. You know “what if I did things differently this wouldn’t have happened”. My fear of failure stems from a fear of judgement over a fear of actually failing I guess.

Is your fear common?

I would say it’s common.

Have you tried following advice for tackling your fear and does it work?

No, maybe I should.

Do you fear failure more when you have no evidence of success, or do you feel failure the most when it would ruin lots of success?

I expect myself to not make a 0/3 scum list in mafia.
I expect myself to not misplay with my main deck in a tournament.
Ect…

These are all things I’ve proven to myself I am very capable of doing but are things that can happen. I get scared knowing I could mess up and it makes me doubt myself. Basically it makes me feel like a “fake” at whatever people think I am good at.

I don’t expect myself and no one expects me to be good at something I’ve never tried before even if failure is inevitable fuck someone for judging me. This isn't easy to rationalize when I myself think I did something like crap.

Have you ever experienced your fear?

Yes.

In your own mind do you consider your fear to be rationale?

Yes

Where would you hide in the event of a zombie apocalypse?

Isolate myself from society, everything will fail in 1 months anyway, I can grow my own food need be, “looting” is overrated and gets you killed. Basically keep moving out into the Canadian North while the zombies likely will migrate South where it is warmer, since I imagine them to kind of move around like birds would more instinctively then logically. Their senses are also limited to what a human can do which is only so far away so a sparse area and your set. After a year which I would track through the seasons I would proceed to try and find my way back to civilization to loot some supplies then move back north since Canada is kinda cold so zombies would have either died in the winter or migrated to a place they could actually survive..

How often do you face your fear?

I’d say it’s something I have to face on a regular basis.

[beeboy]

All these failed GeorgeBailey quotes is why I fear failure.

[beeboy]

My sig really needs a 2nd quote to go next to Nahdia.

[beeboy]

My post in regards to Mena is I think him outing like that was absurdly wolfy.
That play is one people pretend gets you scum read but usually just gets you town read.
It makes other people feel inclined to claim in response since "why bother".

As scum I'd almost certainly out then reap the rewards.


But if you think he was lying then I can see it as as town thing.

[beeboy]

You think he was lying and understood the mechanic or was telling the truth and didn't understand the mechanic?

Because if he didn't know the direction of the vig then isnt that a real serious risk to take?

What benefit does scum get other than putting them in a slightly worse position when they don't get NKed, which implies the person's fear they hold is more likely to be town?

It's social manipulation not a technical play.
Town does not have a good reason to do it either.
Someone would be pretty hesitant to shoot someone that literally asked to be shot.


Qs scum I'd heavily consider that play and I don't think I would get shot for it. The presence of this conversation is so incredibly predictable and this player list doesn't contain anyone I think would just hip fire because they can.

[beeboy]

Mena isn't here so I can't figure out how his brain works anymore.
And I am not going to dive for meta, I am just going to solve dannflor.

So I am probably not going to layout a whole bunch of cards explaining how this isn't a bad play for scum.

[beeboy]

I like beeboy's interpretation.

It's not exactly the same but I'm reminded of when S_S was loose about his main account and made himself eligible for bonus vigging and expected to be townread for it, when mechanically it didn't help him as either alignment

Mask of Monsters not Wolf Dance
I don't think it's town indicative
I'm gonna read danceflor though I don't think it's strongly indicative in general.

I'd need a shit ton of meta info on Mena in order to get that read. If something was indicative I wouldn't be sitting on my hands for 12 hours.
I was planning on vibing with him until I could figure what kind of a player he is.
It would help me play to both wincons I had for this game. Learn more about y'all and the town one I a signed up for.

But solving the person that is here is likely the better idea.

On one hand replace outs kinda suck in this game, on the other hand Mena already outed >__>

[beeboy]

I like how we just threw then gave up.
I have an exam today so I'll play later tonight if I am not too burned out.

[beeboy]

beeboy did you precook the questionaire thing or did you think of that after the game had begun?

I threw after I realized I was town. I didn't think about the setup until after I got my role pm at which point I could already post in thread.

[beeboy]

I think Isis' general energy towards throwing is town.
Not enough has happened for me to build reads yet.

I'd need to reread the thread to get a scum read. I wasn't actually focusing while reading up until this point.

[beeboy]

I wish I still had exams, I didn't develop the common "register for a class and forget to attend" dreams until after I graduated university somehow

I am more of a "I dreamt I missed my exam" kind of guy even when I am not taking any courses.

[beeboy]

I have a bad feeling about Dannflor idk.
He feels lukewarm but it almost feels too easy I guess?

[beeboy]

but it almost feels too easy I guess?

wait what why

Everyone apparently has a pocket scum read on you.

[beeboy]

I have a bad feeling about Dannflor idk.
He feels lukewarm but it almost feels too easy I guess?

He was almost given the deepwolf title right?
Iunno if I can read a deepwolf properly but this also doesn't feel like deepwolfing but this also doesn't feel like town so whatever I'm good with it

Ehhh I don't like doing this ever, it leads to bad lynches most of time.
Also Dann having prowess doesn't make everyone having a pocket scum read on him any less odd.

[beeboy]

I have a bad feeling about Dannflor idk.
He feels lukewarm but it almost feels too easy I guess?

He was almost given the deepwolf title right?
Iunno if I can read a deepwolf properly but this also doesn't feel like deepwolfing but this also doesn't feel like town so whatever I'm good with it

It's been long enough without having this feeling break.
I scum read this post.

[beeboy]

Ari is towny actually tbh.

[beeboy]

I had a happy day today so it fits.

Before I forget to ask, why is today a happy day :O

[beeboy]

I have a decent jerb lead.
And I made top 10% of ranking dungeon, I had to give up on 3% for this particular iteration but the 10% prizes are pretty good

:O That's good!
I had a nice 7-2 draft today which made me pretty happy. It was an Amonkhet remastered draft and I was playing red aggro deck without any rares.

[beeboy]

also

Spoiler:

Very pretty ^^ Pandora seems to like Narset as well.

I meant Green/Red I am not sure why a color was lost in translation.
But the green was more moral support.

[beeboy]

I feel like appealing to fear is something people usually only do as one alignment.
Is it worth the effort to read a bunch of Ari games to see if that theory is true?

[beeboy]

This might sound dumb but Ari is a bit ahead of rand to be town because he read only one page of content and got a scumread.
But he wasn't reading to produce content for the thread, he was reading to find a taylor swift song. Scum are less likely than town to develop scumreads off of posts spontaneously (scum have chance to just stumble on wow this looks so pushable, but it's just less than wow i need a tinfoil hat). When you roll scum you bring your content amount to the same place by rereading more and reading with intent

It hinges on whether Ari would misrepresent his attitude towards the intent of his reading but that part doesn't seem faked.

I don't disagree with this assessment.
But I also don't think it's going to stop me from checking Ari's meta down the line.

If I don't do this uhhh yell at me I guess?

[beeboy]

i'm not sure what it'd gain you; almost positive you wouldn't bother even if you're scum it's a truthful point
multitabbing hearthstone is hard

Is that game still good? I quit a year after they stopped doing adventures since I found the game to be too expensive. Unless your playing battlegrounds because I still like to play that.

pedit: That answers half my question. Also Druid is my only golden class >:( OG combo druid was so fun.

[beeboy]

ever since Krazy promised to do a meta and didn't do it as scum I always get so paranoid about this
because I gave him credit for being interested in doing it but then he didn't actually townside the gamestate by doing it
I don't have the sample size I want though so I just see posts like this and stress, now

I am pretty lazy and probably will never do it. When I looked at his wiki and saw it wasn't updated past 2017 I lost a load of motivation.

[beeboy]

I think I am just going to keep skimming ISOs and realize this is the first time Ari has ever brought up "fear" to discredit someone as either alignment.
Given he didn't do it in a game that has like 5 players I'd consider top scum players on site.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82724

Although I haven't found scum games yet to read.

[beeboy]

Chara?

[beeboy]

I feel drunk given the amount of time I am spending trying to figure out if Ari has said a specific thing in the past.

[beeboy]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=83318 - Town, Didn't bring it up
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82724 - Town, Didn't bring it up
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83417 - Town, Didn't bring it up
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82957 - Town, Didn't bring it up


To validate I am further wasting my time by searching up the following terms in his site wide ISO. Some of these terms give results but they aren't used to describe a read.
"good scum" - none
"good wolf" - none
"good mafia" - none
"great scum" - 1 result, town, used to defend a player.
"can fake" - none
capable fake - none

[beeboy]

Am I at the point where I can say Ari choosing to say that about Dann is in fact weird?

[beeboy]

beeboy did you spectate achievement mafia?

Ya, but I am not sure what that has to do with a football team of Charas.

[beeboy]

in achievement mafia i said i think it's really towny when someone says they're not gonna put in some protown effort but then does that exact thing

your avatar looks like tipsy's so even though I believe you it still feels sneakkkkkky

Wasn't Tipsy town that game?

[beeboy]

I'll only buy it when I find evidence of him doing it as scum.
I have 0 ideas if Ari decided that doing this was a good idea as town or scum.
Currently, the only thing I've grasped is I am probably wasting my time.

[beeboy]

Priest is bullshit that doesn't need a qualifier that I think it's balanced

I remember in beta when priest was in a balanced spot.
But mind control got nerfed anyway because priest is a stupid class that doesn't belong in hearthstone.

[beeboy]

tipsy is my favorite dont tellll

I called dibs first >:(

[beeboy]

I'll only buy it when I find evidence of him doing it as scum.
I have 0 ideas if Ari decided that doing this was a good idea as town or scum.
Currently, the only thing I've grasped is I am probably wasting my time.

Basically I think I've established to myself it's odd.
But I don't think I have the needed information to say it's scum indicative.

[beeboy]

I think I heard during AvP that Ari rarely rolls scum?

Ali wanted me to be his treestump in that game, I always wonder how that would have gone.
I think that's a true statement but I am not positive, Ari plays mafia kind of sparsely which means his everything is rare.

[beeboy]

maybe he's an SK

Hmmmmm ya I can buy this.

[beeboy]

tbh if I wasn't asked to play as an undying treestump I'd probably have played >___>
I hate that kind of pressure, it literally kills me.

pedit: yeah the one I liked in the post. It had LLD, Alisae, Pine, MariaR and someone else whose name slipped my mind,
p-p-pedit: Chara

[beeboy]

See if I played then your first memory would have been of me being a treestump.
And neither of us wouldn't have wanted that.

[beeboy]

would****
I am usually not awake at 3am, my sleep schedule has been rough these past few days.

[beeboy]

I don't think I am a good enough player to catch 5 different Dannflors.
Seemed like an uphill game.

[beeboy]

Ya but how over rated can 5 dannflor's possibly be?

[beeboy]

oh right this is a game thread.

[beeboy]

I hate rolling scum because I'm bad at it but I'm also looking forward to the next time I roll scum because I really want to improve my range

I think Dannflor is just stealing my posts I made in other games.
Kinda wolfy.

[beeboy]

Eating broccoli is a far better experience then rolling scum.

[beeboy]

In any given game I don't want to roll mafia because it's not my preffered alignment.
But I also want to prove to myself that I could do a good job if I got a scum role pm which makes me anticipate my next game.

If that's understandable?

pedit: yeah that

[beeboy]

I think my town game is limited because I am a bad scum player.
Uhhh... I town read Dann a tad more then I did before.

I town read Isis as well.
I wonder how shit these reads are ^^

[beeboy]

I still think Ari's comment about Dann was incredily out of place.
But apparently he was deliberately trying to rock the boat so maybe he isn't lying about that.
But even that feels weird coming from Ari idk. But Ari seems like an easy meta solve if I truly put the effort into it.

GeorgeBailey made a post that felt off to me I'll see if I can find it later.

[beeboy]

wait how does being bad at scum limit your towngame

is this an only a sith can kill a sith thing or something

I feel bullied right now ngl. >___>

Ok so if I was asked to describe Mafia I would do it as such:
Mafia is a game about generalizing from sample sizes too small to draw real conclusions.

So to be good at town you have to do 2 things
- increase you sample size.
- know how to properly generalize.

I can't draw conclusions about certain things that are just outside my understanding.

[beeboy]

All this talk about Hearthstone is making me crave coming back to it, but I know it's a terrible idea and I shouldn't. I think the skill ceiling peak was Patron Warrior and I should just be happy I witnessed that.

Download mtg arena and I'll teach you how to draft well

[beeboy]

Yeah, I think it's useful for Dann to claim. I think it's slightly towny if Mene was lying, and scummy if he was telling the truth.

Mena seemed truthful to me. i read the whole interaction as a net scum one for Mena, and it contributed to my current read on you.
but given your explanation, my interests now lie elsewhere.

oh but i like Pilgrim's vote anyway. i suppose there isn't anything else i'd like to pursue yet.

This is scummy because Chara says its "interests now lie elsewhere" implying they've spotted soemthing else that's scummy or worth looking into, but then the next post admit they don't actually have anything. I think scum are more likely to throw away a line like that without actually have a thought process behind it.

VOTE: Chara

VOTE: Geo"rgeBai"ley

tbh my gut is telling me this is the solve as well.

[beeboy]

Sorry not doing too hot this game, just not vibing as hard as I once was I guess.
DnD tomorrow, big work day tuesday. Former being less likely to impact if I'll catch up compared to the latter.

I'll be able to grind out the last 3 days though whether I want to or not.

My hardest of town reads is currently on Isis.
I go blank after that, a simple skim would probably remind me of my other reads.

[beeboy]

haha couldn't be me.
See you guys in the morning, sorry for being a bad townsperson this game.

[beeboy]

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

I want to do this today.

[beeboy]

Unlikely you will see me voting Billy Pilgrim today.

[beeboy]

He has a weird focus on Hectic this game but doesn't have anything that resembles a read on him.
I think this extends beyond just his Billy vote but that's what triggered me checking the above.

[beeboy]

I want Ari. The elitelling is pretty intense with him, and on top of that they have been prodded and the only thing they responded to was my question of them, and their answer certainly fits my theory of scum given the gamestate. Can we wagon that slot?

I scum read the slot but meta really only works 100% when I have data that suggests he does it as scum.
Really the only thing we know is it's "abnormal" for him to make a comment like that which is good enough for me.

But I am not going to say I made a conclusive meta case, I'd really just be making a shot in the dark.

[beeboy]

I want Ari. The elitelling is pretty intense with him, and on top of that they have been prodded and the only thing they responded to was my question of them, and their answer certainly fits my theory of scum given the gamestate. Can we wagon that slot?

I scum read the slot but meta really only works 100% when I have data that suggests he does it as scum.
Really the only thing we know is it's "abnormal" for him to make a comment like that which is good enough for me.

But I am not going to say I made a conclusive meta case, I'd really just be making a shot in the dark.

And I have kept in touch with Elli, so I have a pretty strong understanding of his school of thought and what works. I didn't really enjoy using meta before I met him because I mainly thought it was used in a flawed manner.
I have yet to actually apply anything Elli taught me this game mainly because nothing he has, has really come up lol.

[beeboy]

eh. not really eager to execute a lurker when there are slots i actually scumread.

I don't like any of the current wagons and I do think the few things GeorgeBailey has done are scummy. Bizzarre to have such a focus on Hectic and not having anything happen as a result of that idk. It's like me developing all my reads around Isis but instead of Isis being my only hard town read, I just liked reading Isis' posts. It's just such a bizarre approach to the game? It's like Hectic posts hit his long term memory and that's just how he is choosing to play the game as scum.

Idk Billy is playing fine to me? I am not really feeling any of his posts or the posts made against him make more likely to flip wolf.

[beeboy]

I think Billy Pilgrim is referring specifically to the "elitell" of a player is posting in most of their games but not really posting in the one they're scum in.
It's one of the more reliable tells in mafia and it maybe outweighs the things I was townreading Ari for.

I'd talk about this in more depth but I have a low desire to defend a slot I believe will be flipping scum.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Ari

[beeboy]

Also i am not even sure if the defense points would even impact Ari?

[beeboy]

pedit: Did you mean you have some Mafia.Discussion type opinions about the "lurky in the scumgame active in the towngames" thesis?

It would be mafia discussion that fights against the current point I am pushing in thread which is a GeorgeBailey/Aristophanes scum team. And I've always been incredibly weak at persuasive tactics compared to my ability to actually solve players or project my alignment.

So I don't want to break down mafia discussion and further shoot myself in the foot

[beeboy]

Tbh I forgot "Elli tell" was used to describe that tell in particular.
To me Elli dominantly used timestamp tells for his actual in game solving but those aren't pretty to talk about so I am not sure how known that is. Elli was more a man of "solve the game however you can" then "persuade people however you can".

[beeboy]

Elli was more a man of "solve the game however you can" then "persuade people however you can".

"then" or "than"?

Then, lol.

[beeboy]

I mean I kind of get it. He is and to some degree was at a point where he could solve most games with confidence he just had to get lynches through to win.

I don't share some of my strongest tells because people call me stupid for using them. Although it's half ego to not risk "ruining" a tell I spent 2 years crafting lol. I also know this isn't a unique trait to me. Which really sucks because it makes mafia a worse game overall.

[beeboy]

does that mean he'd roll town and believe people were scum for reasons that wouldn't be widely compelling, then had to disingenuously use reasons he didn't believe as strongly in?

I don't think I've ever played a game with elli, by all accounts that means I've missed something great

He had a computer program he used to solve games for him.
Whether or not that was his persuasive tactic or his method to solve is up to you to decide.

[beeboy]

Although it's half ego to not risk "ruining" a tell I spent 2 years crafting lol.

If you skip explaining a tell so that you will be able to catch people with it in future games that's playing against wincon, similar to trust telling, and I'm against it. It's less fun because you're making it that way :/

You should play every game like it's your last.

It's just I am tired of being shit on for using something that works because it sounds breakable. Mafia is more a game of attacking angles people don't think about then the angles that are the hardest to break. So trying to explain how scum wouldn't do X simple thing for the 100th time starts to wear one down which made me stop doing it. I don't just top post in most of my games spouting bullshit. I'll say 12 true reads and a 13th which involves me stretching the truth.

I mean that one account I am thinking about is basically outed, so I'll just talk about it. The tells I used in the heaven PT are more "true" to me then the things I said in thread. The main thing I used in that thread seem laughably stupid idk. Purgatory was mine and Clidd's first game, after I died he praised me which scum just don't do whether it be in poor taste or because it's something that happens often enough for it to be worth faking. I am not sure why they don't do it I just know it leads me to catch town.

It's the reason after establishing he was true about that I just snapped my vote. I consider this to be a tell that only I use that comes up very often. I am aware what I explained isn't completely non toxic play but it's also like why bother trying to help people improve when they don't care about what I have to say when it isn't a thought that lines up with something they already believe idk.

[beeboy]

i have a deeply ingrained distaste for all activity tells, including ones that have to do with comparing activity in multiple ongoing games, especially including ones where the game feels like it's moving slowly and therefore scum are lurking. active scum can avoid pushing a game forward too, because it looks the same as all of the active town that also can't find a wagon they like. i don't remember who argued this.
i don't have any strong feelings about flipping Ari or not.

I agree, I am mainly flipping Ari for the dive I did earlier and accepting people are voting him for activity reasoning.
Then actually just voting him for the activity.

[beeboy]

Also people don't want to vote GeorgeBailey because they don't like lynching Lurkers.
Which leaves Ari as my only available scum read left to vote.

[beeboy]

ez clap

[beeboy]

I don't think you ever claim in this setup.

[beeboy]

It's fine always ok to ask a question.

[beeboy]

I agree, I am mainly flipping Ari for the dive I did earlier and accepting people are voting him for activity reasoning.
Then actually just voting him for the activity.

i do enjoy how you wanted to argue against the tell but had to grapple with how it would effectively defend your scumread.
are you very confident in Ari?

I don't think GeorgeBailey will be flipping scum for gut based reasons.
I am actually not confident that he is scum lol.

[beeboy]

I absolutely want to chitchat with Ari about his fear before he is hammered in a manner that has nothing to do with anyone's win% where is your gamethrow energy beeboy?

This is different!!!
I think if he was making a final plea and wanted to live he shouldn't claim since we see the fear either way.

But for fun idle chit chat claiming is fine.

[beeboy]

should we like, all agree to target one person with our fearkill? then if they dont die we know their fear owner is scum?

This is objectively the best way to play this setup by a very wide margin I think I brought this up a post before I threw.
I propose we kill George Bailey


But that's also anti fun and we already filled out game throwing surveys. So probably just hit the person you scum read the most that has a survey that _could_ line up with what you wrote?

I haven't thought about optimal strategy post throwing yet >_>

[beeboy]

beeboy, what are your thoughts on Hectic?

He is the worst slot among slots I don't have a read on.
I am aware this is an awful answer.

[beeboy]

beeboy, what are your thoughts on Hectic?

He is the worst slot among slots I don't have a read on.
I am aware this is an awful answer.

[beeboy]

I was never voting him for that to begin with.
I just really found that 1 comment about you being a good scum player to be super off coming from him.

I think Billy Pilgrim's reaction to being wagoned was town and I am sort of just going for what I believe to be the best alternative right now.
I am pretty open to vote a lot of people right now as awful as that sounds.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Hectic

[beeboy]

Should I play civ6, ff14, emily is away too or magic arena today?
I got a day to do nothing and lots of time wasting hobbies send help.

[beeboy]

Doki Doki Literature Club

OOOO that is one of my favorite games. I have a poster signed by the creator just chilling in my room.
He is a really cool and down to earth guy!

[beeboy]

I'd post a triangle but everyone would be in the blue category.
And it would be really awkward lol.

[beeboy]

I agree with Chara but I am voting Hectic.
I'd vote Ari to save Pilgrim all things considered.

[beeboy]

beeboy: Hectic because you believe he could be scum, or just preferred over Ari?

717 I never fact checked what post Isis was talking about but knowing I also aligned with her on this thought is reinforcing it. This post feels like it comes from town for me.
Hectic is the next player down my list on "People that can flip scum" list.

Something about is presence or I guess lack of has been pinging me this game.

[beeboy]

I'd post a triangle but everyone would be in the blue category.
And it would be really awkward lol.

I've been paying attention to your posts and can make your triangle for you.

Spoiler:

Good posting.
I like Monika, even though I think you aren't supposed to

[beeboy]

i...

think

i like an Ari elim more than Hectic? i actually found 717 more scummy than townish. the phrasing makes it sound like it's it being such a small thing that's the problem, not an incorrect conclusion.
if i'm missing Ari towntells i'd appreciate them being pointed out, besides that one.

pedit: really? this is at beeboy about 717.

I don't think self aware scum make a post like that.
Since I think while reviewing it you'd think it's too scummy to post I guess?

Like "lmao that's what got me caught". I think the post makes sense to make as scum in such a way you'd never actually hit submit while playing scum? Hard to put into words.
Everything else I've said about Ari up until this post hold true so I'd probably be persuaded to vote him.

But I want to see what happens with my fun Hectic vanity wagon.

[beeboy]

i see your point, beeboy. but if Ari's scum here i feel like he's pretty much spent, and so that could contribute to the post actually happening.
would you really, Ari? even with players still arguing for wagons besides you?

Maybe I could see that happening.
I also just think my thought process of "this person is posting in a way they should leave an impact on me but they aren't" leads to a lot more scum flips then what it should.
So to some degree I feel comfortable with my Hectic vote, and if I had a solid baseline I'd be pushing it harder.

The thing is I just don't have confidence this game which is why everything I am pushing happens to be so bizarre I guess?

[beeboy]

I am playing Canada in civ btw.
If you have City name ideas please send them my way.

[beeboy]

Hectic compromise wagon doesn't frazzle me the way GeorgeBailey compromise did, but dumping a nullread D1 is never exciting

Everyone is a null read this game.
;-;

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

I am a pretty trash mafia player in hindsight

[beeboy]

I don't think I town read either Hectic or Ari.
Frankly I scum read both of them.

But I just don't feel good about lynching either of them because I kind of have fuck all that points towards either being more likely to be scum then the other.

[beeboy]

Isis
Billy Pilgrim
Chara
Dannflor
Nahdia
Ari
Hectic
George Bailey

Something like that I guess is my read list?
To clarify I feel good about nothing.

[beeboy]

The team could be Isis and Billy Pilgrim and I'd be like.
Ah ya, I guess that's what happens sometimes.

[beeboy]

I mean I fully blame myself for that failing and not the player list.
But I am still not entirely sure what I am missing.

Maybe I should just be voting Ari?
Maybe I should be pushing Geroge Bailey harder who frankly can't be scum with you?

[beeboy]

Think about it this way, I just made the realization George Bailey can't be scum with you.
And now I went from being neutral on voting you.

To probably not doing it again this phase lol.
Which is the sum of the fragile state of my reads.

[beeboy]

It's impressive I am both top posting yet I haven't actually posted a coherent thought this entire game.


pedit: Yes, I mean it's not impossible I guess. And if he was more active I could view it as a blunder, but he is lurking in a way where that makes 0 sense and a sole focus.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Ari

If it appears as though I am hiding from the thread to avoid the consequences of needing to face the people I am voting.
I just want to clarify that is because that is exactly what I am doing.

[beeboy]

Idk I think once we resolve Ari is 100% dead.
He just outs his fear and aimlessly talks about it?

Really it serves 0 function outside fun. After someone claims I am never rescinding my vote on them since it just helps scum to flip at that point.

[beeboy]

For obvious reasons if you are unsure your whose fear you have.
Just target someone you scum read and hope you get lucky.

o7 Ari you fought well.

[beeboy]

Billy being town means I am not complete trash at this game.
GeorgeBailey isn't afraid of my fear.

I want the kill claimed tbh.

[beeboy]

Me Hectic and Dannflor really shouldn't claim.
I don't see the upside?

[beeboy]

There is this awkward moment where technically I could just claim my actual fear.
And just get shot.

But the issue is with 2 scum alive that doesn't work since claim swaps are a thing.
I could probably justify my fear well enough though to make you guys believe me.

[beeboy]

I am leaning on Hectic/George Bailey

My read didn't change from my submission i made 5 minutes before deadline.


pedit: which is why I am just shooting at people I scum read with no regard for anything.

[beeboy]

Sure who is our global town read that is picking claim order?
If we let me/Dann/Hectic choose I am just going to strongarm going last which I don't think would be fair.

[beeboy]

On a miss we need to mass shoot someone.

[beeboy]

I don't remember Billy Pilgrim have scum equity.
I can say this because I totally didn't fuck up the Ari lynch, basically all on my own.

[beeboy]

I don't think Dann is scum which raises a huge problem when the 50/50 hits and either Town Dann or Scum Hectic holds the keys to my life lmao.

[beeboy]

On review.

2-4
Lynch Correctly
1-4
Scum kill me
Scum night kill
1-2

We don't want to shoot tonight do we?

[beeboy]

"scum kill me" can be subbed out for literally any name.

[beeboy]

Getting me to solve the game hasn't been working out so far.
Not sure why we would keep doing that.

Also if Dann/Hectic kills me and I kill town at night.
Then we lose. Which is a loss that involves the conensus potentially being correct.

[beeboy]

Wait.... I really walked into that one....

[beeboy]

Dann before we start I am afraid of the dark.
I have to head out soon but I'll reply to you tonight.

I just want to know if I am always dying before we start this.

[beeboy]

I mean to some degree I am always resolved on dying, I don't think I deserve life in this game?.
But whether or not I deserve something and whether or not I as a town player hold an obligation to always play to win are different things.

I am aware this response is going to be shit but I also have 15 minutes to write it so what can you do.


First point in question of the kill.
I think it's an incorrect assumption to believe scum would want to shoot on wagon because it's a better kill. Scum would have many reasons to shoot off wagon.

Iirc I had push back on GeorgeBailey, I can find quotes and maybe I misremember what was going on but the conensus was he was just a lurker and my case was bad. And we had better things to do when people had real scum reads. Looking back a main propagator of that was Nahdia so maybe I should reevaluate my read in a way? Because I am still not positive it's Hectic the only thing I think always happens is GeorgeBailey flipping scum.

I'll be honest I straight forgot I unvoted Hectic when I came to the conclusion he couldn't be scum with GeorgeBailey, I am unsure on how I feel about that now. Nahdia had that throwaway comment on how they didn't want to vote GeorgeBailey because they wanted to vote Billy instead? That would leave Nahdia open to push a good number of town players so it's not impossible its a Nahdia Bailey/solve

If I am completely wrong in my solve then oh well I guess. To some degree this entire game I have had a conflict between my real emotions and my reads.
and.... apparently I don't have 15 minutes I had 5.

Ima just hit send cause I will lose this.

[beeboy]

blah blah incorrect assumptions.
I am very good at playing on my own emotions as scum the dissonence with my reads is more real then fake.
yes i am playing badly.
Nahdia could be scum for that soft GeorgeBailey Defense.
Being right in past games makes me more shit now.

[beeboy]

bye bye

[beeboy]

Busy, sorry friends.
Final team call is Nahdia and GeorgeBailey.

I intend to be a sheep to my town reads this phase though. If that leads to the demise of myself and as a result town then I guess better luck next time.

[beeboy]

I don't want that to be the reason I defend myself.
I am just kinda busy and mafia is being put on the back burner is all.

And that has literally 0 bearing on my alignment, given this situation could easily be in reverse I feel obligated to make a request anyway.
Just read me on the 3 weeks I spent being active and not the last 3 irl days I've been inactive.

[beeboy]

To some degree I still just scum read George Bailey.
I want to just see him flip and adjust after that but I don't think everyone wants to do that in the same way I do.

[beeboy]

To some degree I just want to see that flip before I continue to juggle back and forth on any other alignments I guess
Which is stupidly anti town and I have no reason to not reread the game now.

But Isis is right, I should just reread in 2 days from now once I am less busy given we do have a deadline.

[beeboy]

So I think if I have any conclusion from now is.
Please don't read me on the basis of defeatism or my inactivity. One is my personality the other isn't mafia related.

I think George Bailey is scum my juggling on everything else is just generic reads. I agree with Hectic on how George Bailey entered this phase and GB's hyper focus is making me lean Nahdia. The 2nd read on Hectic/Nahdia feels very level 1 and is subject to further review. I agree it was hasty and bad.

I just feel a lot more comfortable reading Dannflor now compared to the past game I played with him. Which locks him in as town, I also just think he is townier in this game relative to purgatory my main fear was the loose nature of his read on Isis. I don't get a similar negative vibe in this game in regards to his handling of anyone.

I am giving Isis way too much space, but to some degree everyone is and I still really like my day 1 read.

[beeboy]

why did you do the whole "im gonna die here's my fear"

I didn't factor in a lot of things when doing that, I just react negatively to pressure because I am a bad mafia player.

I just wanted to know if I was going to die and curiosity got the better of me.
I agree that at worst that was scummy and at best an action that helps me as no alignment.

[beeboy]

Soon^TM

[beeboy]

Is "Super Reincarnated Isis" too many characters of a MS username?
Asking for a friend.

[beeboy]

VOTE: GeorgyBailey

I'll commit to my vote I guess.

[beeboy]

I've kept this tunnel going for multiple phases

[beeboy]

Wait... Isis is the "GirlInFreezer" account yours?

[beeboy]

Or did GiF lie to me about one his alts not being his years ago and it stuck with me this entire time.

[beeboy]

I investigated and solved the mystery, it is in fact not Isis.
Thank you for your time everyone.

[beeboy]

gg

[beeboy]

I had a lot of fun this game btw along with the players in it.

I just don't have much fun to say cause I sort of threw really aggressively lol.

[beeboy]

Like imo I'd have to change multiple major things I did this game in order to claim I could have been positive force for this town lmao.
Which is kinda unfortunate.

Would play a game again with this exact playerlist though, a challenge is fun from time to time although I don't know if I was prepared for it.

[beeboy]

I wouldn't do the mech throw again but it's something I think we had fun doing. It just sucks to look back at given the outcome of the game. I would have listened if someone told me not to do it as I am not one to just fuck someone over for my own amusement.

I feel bad about how I solved, particularly Ari, I opted to not defend him against the Eli tell. When I was taught to use meta that way I was told to drop it if I found no evidence of someone doing something as either alignment. That has never come up for me so I decided to elim Ari.

GB was just bad but not noticeably bad, I'll have to reread him later to figure this game out.

You and Hectic played really well though and I don't want to take away from your win by implying you won through anything that wasn't a great performance.

[beeboy]

"GB was just bad" = The choice to eliminate him.
Not GB's play.

Just want to correct that.