Silent Star 2: Menagerie

[Isis]

Like I don't understand his play usually so I'm cautious to guess at it. Anyway can you explain why you think he'd vote you?

[Isis]

Yay!

[Isis]

Like I don't understand his play usually so I'm cautious to guess at it. Anyway can you explain why you think he'd vote you?

im clearly the lunchbait today. going for me today and then for the +ev townplay of two unconfirmeds tomorrow is a solid way to get an easy win.

Is there a reason you don't see Ydrasse going for the same play?

[Isis]

I really want to get as much as we can out of this phase

[Isis]

VOTE: Isis

[Isis]

Good man

[Isis]

It was implicit in the last readslit I gave Pooky that I had flipped on you Kanna. So the scum knew.

In hindsight Pooky fished beneficial information about the gamestate with his last breaths

[Isis]

While I was away, I wondered, what if Swift didn't confirm Loki so that we wouldn't listen to him when he tunneled Swift.

Then I wondered, did Swift really didn't know whether scum is post restricted in the scum PT.

You saw the announcement that they are post restricted in the PT, right Ydrasse?

[Isis]

I'm glad I didn't self vote but I feel like I am going to miss this 67% shot 90% of the time

[Isis]

I feel worried Pooky cares about winning an argument more than being town in the argument if that makes sense, its somewhat mafia indicative

This is kind of strange. Why would it make sense for a Pooky!scum to want to win an argument? It doesn't help my position in any way - arguing is usually counterproductive to survival especially in a setting like this where it's 1 or the other.

oh yeah, i remember seeing this earlier and having what is probably a dumb thought at it but isn't the simplest answer to wanting to win an argument that... whoever you "beat" might reconsider you/etc? like, i don't get how arguing is counterproductive in the sense that it's how you like... make people reconsider you, or is at least one way and one of the most straightforward.

i don't understand how it going one way or another makes a difference?

This post should solve Ydrasse for me if I was good at mafia

[Isis]

solving Ydrasse wins the game.
solving Tayl0r wins the game.
solving N_M wins the game.

I don't feel confident doing any of these things but maybe Kanna or shiki will

[Isis]

I think Loki is so obvtown it doesn't add much EV to look at Ydrasse rather than NM or Swift. Especially when you consider the way the scum probably approached the WIFOM, it might even be inverted.

[Isis]

Drusilla I believe in you so much

[Isis]

I don't believe in Hectic

[Isis]

I just want to see more bucket tapping

[Isis]

I like to place my vote where I am leaning at the time to show what I'm thinking

[Isis]

drusilla does that mean you want me to stop selfvoting?
it feels good.

[Isis]

I dislike the missing lolhammer it spoox me

[Isis]

drusilla does that mean you want me to stop selfvoting?
it feels good.

no? it means i am currently thinking it is most likely not mafia, followed by ydrasse.

oh ok
maybe I shouldn't go first though because I know plusJOYED will miss me

[Isis]

I don't think Loki is going to like a sort of NM>Ydrasse>Taylor though

[Isis]

I suspect N_M he seems scummy to me.

[Isis]

in a way the pairings don't make tons of sense for anyone and there's no indication he's read the entire game so maybe that's what happened?

[Isis]

I agree Pooky never recruits not_mafia but I don't think he recruits taylor either? But I think taylor recruits him and so does NM

[Isis]

Ydrasse is the only slot that has double direction recruiting relationship with Pooky

[Isis]

Taylor have you enjoyed my playstyle this game or do you lowkey hate it

[Isis]

do you remember that time I found Pookyscum though
I mean I was gladiated against it so I didn't really have to push it
I want to bask a bit tho

[Isis]

observation: N_M is the only unconfirmed player in the game that hasn't townslipped.

[Isis]

Ydrasse thought I could be voted out, just now. Maybe that's just a slip and not a townslip I guess.

Tayl0r asked whether the scum in the scum PT talked like animals. If she was scum, she would have already seen Pooky talking like an animal in the scum PT (pooky definitely would have) or talking normally in the scum pt

[Isis]

I was trying to bait a scumslip, it doesn't exist

[Isis]

oh I think I stated the thing about an announcement in an earlier post, it's kinda just implied there
I actually don't have any idea whether scum PT was post restricted or not as of right now

[Isis]

who was given an updated PM and a link to the factional thread.

this kind of implies daytalk if you want a list of every quote about scum pt

[Isis]

oh i didn't see that quote you're right no daytalk

[Isis]

now maybe it's a slip cause taylor thought the game had daytalk too

[Isis]

VOTE: Isis


That's E-1

[Isis]

ISIS is scum

[Isis]

I'm having fun

[Isis]

Which two players is that?

[Isis]

She means the unconfirmed unconfirmed pair I guess

[Isis]

UNVOTE:

[Isis]

I think my progressions slow down every two years I play the game of mafia. Or something. Maybe. Is that what you meant?

[Isis]

voting isis and voting not mafia are identical, yes?

Yes but I like looking at my name don't you

[Isis]

Ydrasse we are wearing the same color

[Isis]

It's the first post I've read that I've gone back to reread a few times - it's made me tear up a bit. the entire sequence from 875 - 881 is very powerful and I think the strongest indication that you are town here.

Hectic cannot confirm me as town. Pooky confirmed me as town.

[Isis]

He recruited me, so I trust him.

[Isis]

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift
I want some pressure here.

[Isis]

I'm town, hectic confirmed it

[Isis]

I wanted to see how people would react, I think Kanna might stop worrying about your alignment by now if she believes in interpreting reactions

[Isis]

Loki if Taylor flips town will you defer to drusilla the next day please

[Isis]

UNVOTE:

[Isis]

I tried to play scummy and be distracting this phase but deep down inside Hectic confirmed me town

[Isis]

I hope so!

[Isis]

Kanna's bucket is full of wisdom and knowledge

[Isis]

if even Loki can believe Taylor is town even temporarily I think Taylor is a good way to bet the game.

[Isis]

Knowing the scum didn't have daytalk makes me way, way more confident about this. They would have had to have bussed in both directions without daytalk saying it's o.k. to go for it. And both executions looked natural as far as you can manage to tell.

[Isis]

Kanna and drusilla were stumped and I was given a vote cause they are smarter than me, it didn't matter what reads they had already given so far!!!!!!

[Isis]

Google says it's a crime drama, if you binge it won't you get suspense stomachaches and stuff?

[Isis]

I currently think from town to scum it's Taylor>Ydrasse>N_M, but I selfishly want to eliminate Ydrasse first so I get to play the whole game :X

[Isis]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[Isis]

i'm gonna watch that netflix right now, tell me what it is again so I don't have to click backwards I feel lazy

[Isis]

I have the best cats. It's been a month since I watched anything in the living room, but the moment I do they are finding sitting nooks in the living room to keep me company to protect me from overly morbid Kanna recs

[Isis]

I'm watching the second episode though aren't I?
It just requires lots of courage. Very heavy.

I had to turn on subtitles for a show in my own language because of the accents. >_<

[Isis]

VC on this page.

I have never seen Kanna powers used to make a sad face and I don't like it

[Isis]

I like Jeremiah

[Isis]

I can't stop watching

[Isis]

I watched it all in one sitting I'm not proud of what happened but what happened has happened

this miniseries gives me lots of thoughts

[Isis]

What are you driving at, drusilla?

[Isis]

You think a lot
you're one of my favorite people

[Isis]

I watched it all in one sitting I'm not proud of what happened but what happened has happened

this miniseries gives me lots of thoughts

!!!!!

any non-spoiler thoughts? did you like it?

I liked it.

Spoiler:

A lot of scenes felt like a lot of suspension of disbelief on how succinct a conversation could be and how on-the-nose its key points would be. I couldn't put my finger on why I would get this impression versus any other drama but I noticed that feeling a lot. It didn't strain my suspension of disbelief past its individual breaking point but I felt cognizant of it.
There was similarly a lot of "too witty to be unscripted" dialogue, with characters using metaphors and similes and five dollar adjectives unexpectedly. I say similarly but this didn't bug me at all, it was more par for the course, although the last drama I watched was in Korean so I'm sure anything remotely clever was "uhm that phrase doesn't work in English so the subtitles will say she's disappointed in you", but what was different to other dramas was minor characters or evil characters having more equal mastery of it as they played around with terminology from the time period, "see you've got a gentleman admirer; no? is he not a gentleman or not an admirer?". That level playing field contributes to an impression that the other characters perhaps have a richer, right or wrong, view of reality than the protagonist with her nihilistic streak.. the protagonist is clever with language but some of it isn't truly much more clever than "I know you are but what am I?" or "I know you can, but may you?" shallower things.
The protagonist is definitely well balanced a sufficiently relatable vessel for empathy without.. imbalancing it in the wrong ways, I don't want to be more specific there for an unspoilered version. That part felt pretty well nailed to me.

[Isis]

don't worry loki I'm selfvoting immediately after you flip

[Isis]

don't worry loki I'm selfvoting immediately after you flip

Why drag it out an extra day when everything points to my being right?

Cause if Ydrasse is scum and we do it this way the game will last about 36 more hours, whereas if we flip N_M first it will last like 120 hours.

If NM is scum, this way will last ~36 hours, flipping him first will last ~24 hours.

I'm reducing the maximum time this might drag out instead of the average time.

[Isis]

The game is confirmed nightless those are like conservative estimates.

I just want to skip the f4 where you don't like being a martyr and want to re-sort Ydrasse and Taylor

[Isis]

Tayl0r, Ydrasse hasn't committed to anything and it'd be kind of disingenuous/unexpected for her to do so since she doesn't sound like she's current on the thread, at least not in a really sturdy way where she's really sat down with it. So there's your missing commitment to vote Loki, and it's the one we can just axe away by voting the unconfirmeds now.

Ydrasse doesn't have to agree with us for Loki to get voted out today, but she has to come into agreement for it to happen tomorrow, 4-2 vs. 3-1.

[Isis]

people still want to vote you over NM

i want to vote you over not mafia moreso than ydrasse but isis told me not to consider your alignment anymore so i am being secretive ssshhhhhhhhh

drusilla I can't believe you are confirming my darkest suspicions

The scum know I can read Loki better than you can that's why they gave me voting privileges!!!!11111!!!!!111!!!!1111oneoneoneone

[Isis]

I'm kind of playing. I have to. On the one hand, I have a stronger townread on you than I've had in maybe my last three completed towngames. On the other hand drusilla is one of the smartest people I've ever met. So you never know.

[Isis]

Taylor could you please vote Ydrasse so N_M can hammer

[Isis]

Prod N_M

N_M as your lover I ask that you vote Ydrasse

[Isis]

as i find you have to explain things to me far more often than i explain to you.

there's lots of kinds of intelligences and I think this relates to one of the ones that's unimportant and less valuable.

I think I'm a decently smart person though

[Isis]

that taps for red mana

[Isis]

Loki I know the vote sequencing is frustrating from your point of view but we are gonna win together real soon

[Isis]

if you commit 100% to self-voting tomorrow then we still have the votes to win and ill vote isis today.

Need Ydrasse to commit also, switching the target to Loki doesn't fix it.

[Isis]

@Hectic: Is Kanna confirmed to be town?

I wanna hear him say it

[Isis]

I already know I just will enjoy watching Hectic repeat it for my edification because I love Kanna

[Isis]

The fastest way to move my vote onto N_M is for me to see a flip scene posted

[Isis]

well the voice of reason wants to vote isis because its fun and likely leaves more townies alive at endgame. but the voice of reason also doesnt care and just wants to get on with it

Taylor are you trying to write my name on a blank space

[Isis]

Ydrasse hasn't made a post that's fully cognizant of the gamestate in like a week

[Isis]

VOTE: Ydrasse because I miss seeing plusJOYED

[Isis]

NM has been posting in other games and nonmafia areas of the site multiple times per day and the last time he was prodded he posted here within 12 hours.

He's not unavailable for this game he's just disinterested in this game.

He'll respond to the prod I requested in less than 24 hours. Waiting for Hectic to process it won't be an additional timezone shift since they're both UK

[Isis]

VOTE: Ydrasse because I miss seeing plusJOYED

Didn’t you already vote her? You need one of me/Ydrasse/NM for the hammer, right?

yes but I think if I revote plusJOYED might quote it and vote and then I get to see his chipper face

Not everything I do is for wincon.

the lower the percentage of your play that's for wincon, the more fun you have

[Isis]

It's WIFOM, Loki. They don't do that because that thought would present itself.

[Isis]

i am spending all of my mana right now conjuring a spell that helps me make sense of the confirmeds

give me your spirit energy everyone

I am filling you to the brim.

Win this game for me Ydrasse.

[Isis]

I think drusilla is probably naked quoting because you've fallen below standards for decency and mutual respect to the point it's not exactly fair to expect thorough responses.

You seem at least half aware of being toxic which is an improvement over truly oblivious players but it'd be much better if you stopped.

There's no misread in any setup that deprives any player of the right to be respected, even if you scumread Mother Theresa.

[Isis]

I'm kind of skimming a bit because this has gotten kind of bleh. If I didn't have a solidified solve I would wade through the bleh but I don't need to.

Not_Mafia, please reformat your vote on Ydrasse and Loki to just Ydrasse, it didn't count before.

[Isis]

I'll selfhammer if any of the confirmeds want me to, but I'm concerned about f4 being a hellscape

[Isis]

Kanna that's creepy!

[Isis]

My solve is to save Tayl0r and I think N_M is more likely to flip scum but I don't know and don't care.

[Isis]

Please don't replace me with Tayl0r

[Isis]

I don't think so I think you make a great taylor though

[Isis]

Ydrasse did you not like my mana gift

[Isis]

You didn't say anything about it
I made it special for you

[Isis]

Tayl0r if you vote Ydrasse I'll proxy you my vote tomorrow.

[Isis]

plus has promised to vote whoever I vote for the rest of the game, but you can wait on him to restate that if you like.

we're both confirmed so we don't have any reason to mess around.

I want a different flip order than you do for kind of the same reason you do, to guarantee that Taylor!town stays the solve, because I think Loki is going to flip out if N_M flips town.

[Isis]

plus has promised to vote whoever I vote for the rest of the game, but you can wait on him to restate that if you like.

we're both confirmed so we don't have any reason to mess around.

I want a different flip order than you do for kind of the same reason you do, to guarantee that Taylor!town stays the solve, because I think Loki is going to flip out if N_M flips town.

im mildly concerned. if youre confident that plus will vote for you tomorrow i dont see a big issue with voting ydrasse today. but im pretty confident that loki wont flip out tomorrow. loki!town has stated that im 100% clear. if loki goes back on that tomorrow, then loki!town is false, and dies instantly

He stated an equal or higher amount of certainty you were scum earlier this dayphase. I'm not really viewing it as scum!him lying about his willingness to vote Ydrasse right now as much as town!him underestimating his own capacity to change his mind if N_M flips green and then Ydrasse posts something that seems townie.

Ydrasse could do something unpredictable too. Flipping the unconfirmed is more stable. Unconfirmed players are kind of naturally lazer and less paranoia based, which is why I'm not worried about plusJOYED's vote.

[Isis]

I hope this isn't an ND39 alt, I'd be disappointed in her

[Isis]

I don't have any intentions of apologizing for 1890.

[Isis]

I think this might be the best closed setup I've ever seen. Although I guess I don't know exactly how it works with a day 1 miss.

[Isis]

Townreading post restricted drusilla will forever be weird to me. I think I would have townread even if I had known it was shiki. Though probably not as confidently

[Isis]

i was able to townread your wrongness Kanna, and then your Tayl0r read was right and that read resolved the ending.

[Isis]

the more I think about it the more I think I would've definitely picked you

the lies!

[Isis]

Well, I don't count the post restricted phase as heavily, then you were a voter on Pooky's execution, and you were a voter on Ydrasse's execution.. so to me it was a perfect game? I'm not sure how much better you need to get compared to this Kanna?
I can't remember your opinion on which nonTayl0r was more likely to flip mafia, but it didn't matter a lot

When do I get to hear your review of alias grace?

[Isis]

rumble rumble

[Isis]

Post 2052 nest spoilers in one of the unlucky ways that breaks all posts viewed after it, I'm using "&start=2053" to avoid displaying it
Tweet or Hectic can delete/edit 2052 to fix it sooner or later.

[Isis]

I’m not even angry anymore except maybe at Ydrasse for putting me in that horrible position

Ydrasse did that to try to win the game. I don't understand why you would be mad at her.

[Isis]

I'm not disagreeing about whether it put you at a disadvantage or was unfun for you. But I don't understand why you would be upset that one of your opponents in a game chose a game move that would put you at a disadvantage. As your opponent, it is her job to do so.

[Isis]

Alright, I'll drop the point.

[Isis]