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Post #465 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:52 pm
Postby The Bulge »
I can't bring up examples rn but I've gotten a strong gutread on you early as scum more than once before, but here you seem completely different. granted im not one for meta dives but its a read im ok with for now
punpun's heads converging on alchemist pinged me the hardest, but my earliest impression was that I disgree with most of their reads and their interactions with you seemed off as well
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Post #470 (isolation #5) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:04 pm
Postby The Bulge »
how are you feeling rn about alchemist? I'm not sure i see what sailor was saying about nuance, it seems to me like it could be more of a personality or posting style thing
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Post #474 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:16 pm
Postby The Bulge »
I didnt catch that before but the mocking tone in the first part doesnt really line up to me with how theyre choosing to deal with the slot in that same post
In post 465, The Bulge wrote:I can't bring up examples rn but I've gotten a strong gutread on you early as scum more than once before, but here you seem completely different. granted im not one for meta dives but its a read im ok with for now
punpun's heads converging on alchemist pinged me the hardest, but my earliest impression was that I disgree with most of their reads and their interactions with you seemed off as well
what about the interactions with me seem off? i dont like that you're hacheting townreads. i have absolutely the opposite read on punpun - ive liked that the heads are on the same page. why is alchemist town?
punpunhead's initial jump onto you was pretty weak, and punhead's first post after that unvotes for just as weak a reason. your inclusion in 191 is odd given these weak reasonings and what seems like light hydra dissonance, but they make no mention of you further other than pun warning you to not dish out TRs from mindmelds too easily. I can't exactly put my finger on it but it all seems so fabricated
I don't think alchemist is town and the only reason I've seen from anyone townreading him is meta
In post 466, The Bulge wrote:I'll do another read tonight because i for sure thought i was replacing into a scumslot lol but im not too worried about dl
Why? Was it the gimmick?
~Mars
no, it was the obsession with your slot. newbscum love to complain about reading hydrae, and I've found it's usually a fairly reliable tell
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Post #519 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 am
Postby The Bulge »
In post 485, punpun wrote:Bulge, what pings you about how we converged on Alchemist?
~pun
Spoiler: posted 8 seconds apart
In post 310, punpun wrote:I dislike Creature's attitude and outlook of the game immensely, but I also think he's town for it.
Alchemist feels kinda of awkward this game. He lacks personality in his posts and he's being pretty formal/serious. I don't know if that's a scumtell for him specifically but I'm too lazy to check right now, and I think overall, it's probably a slightly scummy thing on average. Oh, also, I realise part of this is due to the way Alchemist capitalises "town" and "townread" and terms like that; I've always found that weird and scummy for some reason. I'm trying to filter that part out though and I still get the same general vibes.
VOTE: Alchemist
~pun
In post 311, punpun wrote:i am too tired to really post coherently and i should try to post at more decent times, but i still think gamma is town. as things have progress i've found myself agreeing with a lot of his thoughts on things (mostly regarding taylor who i still have a not-great feeling about, especially given her interactions with infinity. she also seems as if she's trying to disengage with pressure being placed upon her on this page which makes me even more).
pun and i talked some though and we both have the same thoughts about alchemist. my townread on him has dwindled as the game moved onward, and he feels as if his posts are stilted in a way that other people aren't. i do wonder if part of that is because it's a fairly quiet game and there's less to chew on/work with but even that feels like an issue scum would struggle with way more.
other than that, infinity has crept up my townlist more, as has derp (i like the tone of his posts). creature is extremely cranky but, like pun said, he feels town regardless.
~punpun
punhead's given reasons for voting Alchemist are
extremely
weak and I fail to see how that could ever possibly sway the other head's opinion. if you discussed your differing reads of alchemist with each other, what else did you talk about? surely there were other reasons given in private.
In post 474, The Bulge wrote:I didnt catch that before but the mocking tone in the first part doesnt really line up to me with how theyre choosing to deal with the slot in that same post
Explain why? I'm irritated with what he's saying in calling the game boring, saying it's a loss due to the playerlist etc, it's negative and anti-fun. But still, I thought it was town-indicative at the time because it draws a lot of negative attention, and scum usually aren't so bold.
~pun
it's minor but it's mostly a language thing. your tone comes off as somewhat... passionate? in the first and last lines. the "I've kinda shelved him as probtown" line sticks out to me. your feelings toward the slot don't seem genuine in that post.
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Post #521 (isolation #13) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 am
Postby The Bulge »
In post 188, punpun wrote:#138 from my boy Alchemist pings me a bit. It's like drawing content/making stances about stuff that isn't there. For example, #74 is not a defense, and #131 is overall gut town? Strange, but is strange SCUM... this is the question.
~pun
also this looks like a big setup for the posts I quoted above. it's fencesitty as hell but then none of these points are brought up again?
this was actually pretty funny. my townlean here is just a spicy hot take off this one post, I'll need more to cement it
You think ability to be funny is something that's alignment indicative?
~pun
these are all bad-faith questions and pushes. reads like scum trying to get early footing in the game when nothing much was really going on.
In post 133, punpun wrote:you have wrung out of me a pre-sleep mobilepost
but no, i haven’t before
~punpun
did you put on your striped suit before making this appearance
In post 402, punpun wrote:If not Alchemist, I'd want Creature. This attitude is apparently NAI for him and he's gonna be very unhelpful if he is town, so at least we won't be losing much.
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Post #524 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:40 am
Postby The Bulge »
In post 146, Gamma Emerald wrote:But can I really call you friend at this point? VOTE: Derp
I don’t trust his tone rn
I don't like this. playing along with the bit and then immediately voting because of it? also weird timing, obviously derp was a gimmick account, so why not call this out earlier?
In post 485, punpun wrote:Bulge, what pings you about how we converged on Alchemist?
~pun
Spoiler: posted 8 seconds apart
In post 310, punpun wrote:I dislike Creature's attitude and outlook of the game immensely, but I also think he's town for it.
Alchemist feels kinda of awkward this game. He lacks personality in his posts and he's being pretty formal/serious. I don't know if that's a scumtell for him specifically but I'm too lazy to check right now, and I think overall, it's probably a slightly scummy thing on average. Oh, also, I realise part of this is due to the way Alchemist capitalises "town" and "townread" and terms like that; I've always found that weird and scummy for some reason. I'm trying to filter that part out though and I still get the same general vibes.
VOTE: Alchemist
~pun
In post 311, punpun wrote:i am too tired to really post coherently and i should try to post at more decent times, but i still think gamma is town. as things have progress i've found myself agreeing with a lot of his thoughts on things (mostly regarding taylor who i still have a not-great feeling about, especially given her interactions with infinity. she also seems as if she's trying to disengage with pressure being placed upon her on this page which makes me even more).
pun and i talked some though and we both have the same thoughts about alchemist. my townread on him has dwindled as the game moved onward, and he feels as if his posts are stilted in a way that other people aren't. i do wonder if part of that is because it's a fairly quiet game and there's less to chew on/work with but even that feels like an issue scum would struggle with way more.
other than that, infinity has crept up my townlist more, as has derp (i like the tone of his posts). creature is extremely cranky but, like pun said, he feels town regardless.
~punpun
punhead's given reasons for voting Alchemist are
extremely
weak and I fail to see how that could ever possibly sway the other head's opinion. if you discussed your differing reads of alchemist with each other, what else did you talk about? surely there were other reasons given in private.
was intentional. we were aiming for the same second, but alas. perfection is hard to strive for.
~pun
are you going to respond or just banter about the single least consequential part of my post?
In post 474, The Bulge wrote:I didnt catch that before but the mocking tone in the first part doesnt really line up to me with how theyre choosing to deal with the slot in that same post
Explain why? I'm irritated with what he's saying in calling the game boring, saying it's a loss due to the playerlist etc, it's negative and anti-fun. But still, I thought it was town-indicative at the time because it draws a lot of negative attention, and scum usually aren't so bold.
~pun
it's minor but it's mostly a language thing. your tone comes off as somewhat... passionate? in the first and last lines. the "I've kinda shelved him as probtown" line sticks out to me. your feelings toward the slot don't seem genuine in that post.
All of the things you're pointing out here are towny, not scummy. "I've kinda shelved him as probtown" is just the way I talk.
~pun
what is this supposed to mean? yea, a passionate tone could very well be town-indicative on its own, but not when it is faked.
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Post #643 (isolation #22) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:58 pm
Postby The Bulge »
In post 555, Creature wrote:I have Aster and The Great Wall in mind. Both were pretty damn obvious scum and yet endgamed while shitting all over a widely townread me.
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Post #648 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:11 pm
Postby The Bulge »
I don't know why they'd have fakeclaims if we have no flavoured roles. my guess is they found the role on the wiki and lied about watching the movie to make it seem more fitting (I ctrl+f'd the script and found zero instances of the word 'bunyip') and maybe got carried away with that, playing up the "main character can't be scum" narrative until it evolved into the actual flavour claim they're running with.
In post 555, Creature wrote:I have Aster and The Great Wall in mind. Both were pretty damn obvious scum and yet endgamed while shitting all over a widely townread me.
you know who the heads are?
this is an important question even if they flip before you check in, btw
In post 679, Infinity 324 wrote:I guess we massclaim cause it's MeLo, I kinda wanna start with the bulge
+1
He seems way more confident here than I recall him being in Free Love.
~M
that was my first game in years. I don't know how I can gauge which read I was more confident in between free love and this game, but I was certainly more hesitant with notty because I didn't want to barrage him if I was wrong. I also had a solve that kept making more and more sense to me that game, making me think I could be tunneling and confbiasing things. plus I was right about notty/klick, and wrong about punpun, so why even mention this comparison?
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Post #694 (isolation #34) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:40 pm
Postby The Bulge »
I don't see the point of bringing up the only meta read you have when the situations are entirely different, although ill concede I rarely see the point of a lot of things meta players think matter
In post 682, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i kinda want creature to go early because i think forcing an early claim there will also be helpful in sorting a null slot. bulge is fine other than that. alchemist should be early too imo.
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Post #702 (isolation #38) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:54 pm
Postby The Bulge »
In post 698, Venus and Mars wrote:If both heads hard tr both Creature and Alchemist and Infinity also is in agreement with this, who do you think fmpov, should I be most suspicious of?
Tbh a taylor/bulge scumteam makes sense since the ascetic member will always perform the kill. That was kinda my solve anyway.
Yes, she is the only non-confirmable slot. We should hear what Bulge says but that’s a really good point. If Tayl0r is buddies with Bulge, then his clear is meaningless.
~M
what does my clear have to do with taylor? I could opt to not perform the kill regardless of my partner's abilities. also if taylor is scum how do we know she's telling the truth about her role?
Tbh a taylor/bulge scumteam makes sense since the ascetic member will always perform the kill. That was kinda my solve anyway.
Yes, she is the only non-confirmable slot. We should hear what Bulge says but that’s a really good point. If Tayl0r is buddies with Bulge, then his clear is meaningless.
~M
what does my clear have to do with taylor? I could opt to not perform the kill regardless of my partner's abilities. also if taylor is scum how do we know she's telling the truth about her role?
We don’t but what we do know is that Alchemist tracked you and you didn’t kill Gamma.
my point is why even bring that up except to push your taylor/bulge team theory? my clear is meaningless already.
In post 743, Venus and Mars wrote:Sorry if it’s not you but your aesthetic role makes you the best fade.
is this something town ever says in mylo?
We’re town, so it obviously must be true. Nice shade though.
~M
I shade those i find shady. how does this post accomplish more than mine? I'm signalling to others that they should be reading more into your slot. you're just shading my shade, you feel?
In post 771, The Bulge wrote:did I miss something? why are so many people removing creature from their PoEs with the same confidence as if he were mechanically cleared
A) strong meta read
B) Why does scum!Creature kill Gamma who was tr him?
C) Why are you and Tayl0r the only ones who are pushing him?
Tbh a taylor/bulge scumteam makes sense since the ascetic member will always perform the kill. That was kinda my solve anyway.
Yes, she is the only non-confirmable slot. We should hear what Bulge says but that’s a really good point. If Tayl0r is buddies with Bulge, then his clear is meaningless.
~M
what does my clear have to do with taylor? I could opt to not perform the kill regardless of my partner's abilities. also if taylor is scum how do we know she's telling the truth about her role?
We don’t but what we do know is that Alchemist tracked you and you didn’t kill Gamma.
my point is why even bring that up except to push your taylor/bulge team theory? my clear is meaningless already.
I know it’s not us and I don’t believe it’s Creature and Alchemist is confirmed by his role. I’m not pushing anything but both of you keep bringing up Creature and no one else is.
~M
??? i mentioned creature once today, asking people to explain their hard TRs
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Post #792 (isolation #54) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:44 pm
Postby The Bulge »
how is that a push? i have no read on creature, and it seems to me that the only reads people have are unexplained meta reads so it would be cool to be clued in.
In post 743, Venus and Mars wrote:Sorry if it’s not you but your aesthetic role makes you the best fade.
is this something town ever says in mylo?
We’re town, so it obviously must be true. Nice shade though.
~M
I shade those i find shady. how does this post accomplish more than mine? I'm signalling to others that they should be reading more into your slot. you're just shading my shade, you feel?
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Post #796 (isolation #56) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:53 pm
Postby The Bulge »
fair, I haven't reread anything so my read is entirely based on your d2 play. rn im mainly just frustrated at the misreps. i super dont have the energy for explaining myself over and over again today so im gonna hit pause
nah I'm not gonna let you use the momentum of my absence to continue this bad faith push. your entire narrative is based on faulty logic that you're trying to pass as fair reasoning. how can you in good faith produce a single town iso (where the game had many other factors, ie hoods and a plist I am familiar with), with
zero
comparison to any scum game or even a second towngame, and say that because I am acting differently I'm scum? I was confident that game because I had something to be confident about. I had a gameplan to catch notty and everything kept falling into place. why would I fake confidence here if I don't have any of that? in fact since you brought up this meta already and have been the main person keeping an eye on my slot, you don't think I would try to mimic that confidence somewhat to get you off my trail?
In post 694, The Bulge wrote:I don't see the point of bringing up the only meta read you have when the situations are entirely different, although ill concede I rarely see the point of a lot of things meta players think matter
That’s fair but that’s really all I have to go on atm. I am also fine with a mass claim.
~M
the timing with which you brought up Free Love again is also odd considering this. don't you have more to go on now?
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Post #828 (isolation #59) » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:44 am
Postby The Bulge »
In post 813, Venus and Mars wrote:I think Infinity is town. Sorry Tayl0r and Bulge but you two are the least townie and I actually think we’ve got this game solved.
As long as neither of you endgame, I don’t see how we lose.