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ayy this PL is looking nice!

VOTE: shelly time to tunnel you into oblivion.

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something like that.

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done it a couple times already, she was town every time, this time must be the charm!

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is that a vt hardclaim.

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its been less than 12 hours since thread creation and datisi is already threatening to replace me

VOTE: chemist i dont think she knows how to roll town based on a very very large sample size. prove me wrong.

i would bet that most of your sample is replacements

most of my scum rands actually end up being me replacing in

scummy post but shelly's scummier

don't like this
don't like the derailment that's happening in this thread
but i concede that it's probably +town for bug and nai for inutile

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the whole sim city 4 thing, the "shelly is scummier" when shelly has not in fact posted, and then the conversation which has begun on the third page. it's unproductive but gives me townpings on them. i don't think pressure is necessarily being diverted, but it feels to me like a lot of this page is unhelpful.

i like 59, and am feeling both inutile and bugs town.

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i guess i'd like to understand what you don't like and if it is because you feel specifically that pressure is being diverted by the 'derailment' because that wouldn't make a lot of sense if you think bugspray is more likely to be town because of it.

i guess unless you think it is town indicative of bugspray because they are diverting pressure from me which would also have the built in assumption that i am more likely than not to be town and i am unsure of your current feelings towards my alignment

i think it's (mildly) town indicative for bugspray because they're changing the topic in a way that doesn't feel scum motivated. don't know how better to describe it but it feels mildly genuine.

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sorry someone asked me what i liked about 59 and i lost the post but the answer is that it's a reasonable and well thought out respond to me that i think comes from a town mindset

good morning my fellows

guess what its tone-reading time:
Tayl0r Swift - one post only
Iconeum - weekend v/la
TheGoldenParadox - scumlean? the "bugs is derailing but town" weirds me out as shading
inutile - scumlean. self-aware, seems to be very verbose yet a lot of that iso is fluff.
Chemist1422 - null atm
bugspray - townlean. the vibing/agreement with bingle on inutile feels genuine.
Bingle - townlean. the right amount of townie jokey energy and solving. like the tone a lot.
chkflip - two posts

interesting
shelly can we please have a game where we read each other accurately

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well i didn't ever state a read on shelly because shelly didn't post until then @misty

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well i didn't ever state a read on shelly because shelly didn't post until then @misty

also i initially missed this but like

you started joketunneling shelly out of the gate so i assumed the jokeread counted

or maybe not assumed but

i mean shelly didn't actually have anything readable so you pointing this out/focusing on this feels off and unnecessary

VOTE: chemist

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@bingle i barely read the games i'm in let alone remember what happens in them

[redacted post about a different game]

this feels terribly fake VOTE: bugspray

"can't remember the games i'm in"

seven minutes later, posts something that was not intended for this game

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@bingle i barely read the games i'm in let alone remember what happens in them

[redacted post about a different game]

this feels terribly fake VOTE: bugspray

"can't remember the games i'm in"

seven minutes later, posts something that was not intended for this game

pretty sure 134 was unintentional and is not alignment indicative. it feels absurdly unfair to accuse bugspray of intentionally breaking the rules when it is very easy to see what seems to have happened. i think bugspray and i are similar in a lot of ways, and one of those ways is our 'messiness' with regards to checking where we are posting and on which account et cetera.

again, saying "i barely read the games i'm in let alone remember them" and follow that up just seven minutes later with a post about a different game seems... weird, but it's not particularly provable one way or another, so i'll let it be on that front because it's a gut feeling i had.

that being said, for 133, considering that it is probably true (why would town lie about that?), they should be policy eliminated into oblivion. that's directly antitown. ms culture hates policy elims, but come on DIRECTLY stating that "i don't read games or remember what happens in them" is terrible.

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it also feels strange that the golden paradox would vote for bugspray but never give any input on the self awareness thing.

it's like, i present evidence of something that could be a coincidence but seems more likely to me to be mafia indicative, but i also have a somewhat shaky history with coincidences so i ask for input, which only bingle has provided.

then, the golden paradox votes for bugspray based on what seems very very likely to be a coincidence, without having considered the previous unrelated coincidence. like for them to believe it's not a coincidence they'd have to believe that bugspray broke the rules tactically, which is an accusation i think would take a lot more evidence to act on than what i had previously presented, so to act on one but not the other seems ??? to me.

sorry, hadn't really understood anything about the self awareness tell and so didn't really want to comment on it. as it stands, it gives me more of a scumlean on bugs, but it's not damning or seriously scum indicative as far as i can tell.

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"I, after backlash, no longer think it's scummy... so it's antitown! Policy!"

I had such high hopes for you, Paradox. Stop doing that.

this is... maybe the worst possible way to take this
i realized that explaining my read of that further is a really easy way to break siterules and was prepared to make the policy argument the second i saw that post

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if bugspray is town they should be PLed
if they are scum limming them is great
either way in most cases it's +town to lim them

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no, i don't believe bugs broke site rules.

it's impossible to explain my scumread on them without breaking site rules myself, so i'm going to not.

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VOTE: TGP

I dislike that all of inu/chk/Chem are lending passive support to the TGP push without actively supporting the wagon. My guess is if TGP is scum, the buddy is in those three and they don't want to commit to a bus before knowing for sure TGP is going down.

from what i see, chem's vote on me is basically rvs.

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VOTE: bingle

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i hate both of the bingle and taylor slots especially considering they're both currently sitting on unvotes

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VOTE: taylor yeah, this is better. taylor's vote was terrible and their follow up and excuses have been worse.

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If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks

242 is terrible

bingle want to join on taylor

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The scum motivation is that it's a way to lower heat on yourself by pointing that out as a thing you generally do.

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datisi should know thats a joke. the post after clarifies that it is. you trying to shade me for it makes me want to actually vote you. but i guess i did say that i ought to be the counterwagon, so you pushing me is within reasonable bounds.

datisi will know it's a joke, but it's terrible regardless. your posting and pushing has been quite bad.

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The scum motivation is that it's a way to lower heat on yourself by pointing that out as a thing you generally do.

Like, there's no way for me to further elaborate on why i think it's possibly scum-motivated.

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^ as opposed to just a weird coincidence.

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that intent was a scumclaim from taylor

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Mass claim pros: Mafia less likely to fake PR. I've already softclaimed. I can potentially resolve a counterclaim scenario.

Mass claim cons: There's a really high chance of a scum roleblocker, otherwise my role doesn't make much sense. I guess commuter or ascetic would do it too. There's probably another investigative, because mine is not strong enough on it's own.

I think I want to partially full claim, and then leave it up to other people whether they claim for now.

I am an investigative role, although not an incredibly powerful one. I crumbed this very early. I targeted inutile.

yeah, okay. bingle is either town here or like informed mafia roleblocker, because my role supports this. i am also an investigative, and i targeted bingle with an action last night.

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inutile is town for that hammer.

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i want to confirm if your action was useful or not

VOTE: chemist

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UNVOTE:

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honestly, not really. i already townread inutile extremely hard for the taylor hammer, and i townread you pretty hard after your claim; there wasn't anything that jumped out to me.

I'm a Town Checker, so I target a player at night and learn nothing except if my action was successful. I targeted bingle last night, which succeeded (so bingle is not ascetic or rolestopped and i was not roleblocked).

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i'm reading, just don't have much to say
yeah these roles make sense setup spec wise
VOTE: chk think this is the best play here

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UNVOTE: hm

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sorry i am here

VOTE: pooky yeah, this feels like the best lim today to me. the shelly slot wasn't great, and getting a vt claim is better today. chk is probably town, and ico gut townpings.

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chemist is also probably scum but i don't want to lim that today

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How does this mf go from voting me to voting with me?

Lining up elims?

didn't remember that your claim is quite plausible.

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Tracker or Checker both seem like solid fake claims tbh.

checker ??

in what world does scumtgp fakeclaim checker with the knowledge they had at that point

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i did not know this role existed prior to getting this role pm

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checked chkflip, succeeded

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HURT: bingle

i am fairly confident this is scum, but want more discourse before the day ends

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i'm really conflicted right now but i think that iconeum is scum and chk is their scumpartner and pooky's reads at the eod2 line up with this but hmmm i need to think more here

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i will look at this game mechanically when i get on desktop but yeah right now that's where i'm at

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Ah yes the planet I vote my ally out in limlo.

Yes yes I've been to this planet previously in the Never timeline.

you're.. not voting them and are saying you'd rather go paradox/bingle? i'm confused

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: ico

i think this is a hit

glgl

was this an attempted quickhammer

can misty and chkflip even be scum together?

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oh okay i thought i was huh

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VOTE: ico

i think this is a hit

glgl

was this an attempted quickhammer

can misty and chkflip even be scum together?

disregard this then

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checker is not big game.

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Scum really, really shouldn't have killed inu. I'm so sorry.

what

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the scumteam cannot be entirely within {me, chk, bingle}

which fmpov means chk and bingle cannot be scum together, which rules out my crazy paranoia scumteam

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okay i'm sold on ico to be honest VOTE: ico i don't see a scumteam that doesn't include ico here

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UNVOTE: wait actually no i don't want a lolhammer

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i feel like misty is town here and since bingle/chk isn't possible because they would have quickhammered, i'm good with voting ico as soon as we figure out night actions
can everyone reclaim their full role and all night actions they have taken because that's easier to consolidate and we can put it in one place
i'm town checker
bingle n1 success
chkflip n2 success

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VOTE: ico yeah, i've made my peace with this.

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The lack of a hammer means Ico is definitely scum, right?

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I can't personally eliminate TGP/Bingle from my head but I want to vote there today anyway, so, I'm not terribly worried about absolute solving.

bingle would have quickhammered ico if it was me/bingle so that's an impossible scumteam

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okay see
i would never fakeclaim checker because i have never seen the role even though i've spent a lot of time on the wiki
and from setup balance perspective, even if i'm scum checker, that would be too much town power, therefore i cannot be scum checker and if you believe me that i had no fucking idea what checker is before then i must be town checker

so the possible scumteams are chemist/ico, bingle/ico, and flippy/ico

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The lack of a hammer means Ico is definitely scum, right?

It means you plus tgp conf scum

there is no way you can be town mechanically ico

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should we coordinate night actions

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bingle if the team was anyone but ico/someone there would have been a hammer

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bingle if the team was anyone but ico/someone there would have been a hammer

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bingle if the team was anyone but ico/someone there would have been a hammer

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bingle if the team was anyone but ico/someone there would have been a hammer

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jesus christ, MS got really fucked for me.

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WIFOM bullshit

what the FUCK
if the scumteam was not (someone, ico) or exactly (tgp, chem), the latter of which... yeah. then scum would be gamethrowing by not quickhammering.

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like, that's insanely poor form for any scumteam, and anyone who would ever do that deserves to be blacklisted and honestly tempbanned for gamethrowing.

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Both partners just couldn't coordinate getting on at the same time. Just because x hours existed that both were in hammer opportunity =/= both were around FOR said hammer opportunity.

if bingle was scum with not!ico they would have hammered
if you were scum with not!ico you would have hammered
the wagon is at l-1 so either of you could have hammered
therefore, either ico is scum or the scumteam is me/misty and like... that scumteam seems laughable

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UNVOTE:

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wait okay this must be a townslip from chk not a scumslip right

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huh okay VOTE: ico

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Both partners just couldn't coordinate getting on at the same time. Just because x hours existed that both were in hammer opportunity =/= both were around FOR said hammer opportunity.

i feel like this is a townslip because scum chk with notico as partner would have been told to hammer and scumchk wiifh ico as partner wouldn't make this mistake, right ?

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are you SERIOUS datisi i was typing this as you prodded me and didn't press submit until after. rude.

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you would have to convince chk because mechanically fmpov ico needs to be scum

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i refuse to vote for anyone except ico today because ico is confscum and bingle is not

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sighhhhh

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chk and chemist can't both be scum

so if bingle flips town, i blame whoever is town in you two :/

VOTE: bingle ack

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ico is mechanically confirmed scum so uh yeah remember that for tomorrow

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VOTE: ico ggwp

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gg!