Micro 985 | Endgame

[JacksonVirgo]

Games started? First?

50/50 of hitting scum randomly but I’m not risking an RVS vote here like I usually do.

[JacksonVirgo]

Let's do RQS:
Are you happy with the role you rolled this game?

I'm not the greatest as Town but I'll have to make do. Also

no you may not.

[JacksonVirgo]

Immediate suspicion on bugspray, 8 does not sit well with me at all.

[JacksonVirgo]

Oofers, ignore me I said nothing at all O.O

[JacksonVirgo]

No way! I'm a day 5 IC!

[JacksonVirgo]

I said something I shouldn't have and the mod bleeped it out, 11 is just a normal post and 12 was a response to 10.

[JacksonVirgo]

We're in F5 why is this game so dead

[JacksonVirgo]

It was a joke fam

[JacksonVirgo]

Prodded already? Gosh darn

[JacksonVirgo]

Also, tentative scumlean on JacksonVirgo based on RQS response so far.
~Ircher

What does tentative mean, I've seen it a lot the past day or two and I forget.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, if we're gonna do it, we should do it properly with several questions. Not just one; one doesn't get people talking enough.

RQS:

2) Why dod you join this game?
3) If you were scum this game, would you quickhammer given the opportunity? Why or why not?
4) What do you think the optimal strategy for town is in this setup?
5) How long do you think we should take to finish D1 this game?

I'll post my answers at a later time.
~Ircher

1)It was a small game that was probably going to be lightweight and fun compared to a few other games where I got a bit aggressive.
2) Quickhammering as scum outs the mafia so not with vengeful townies
3) Probably to create a PoE of three, lynch within that and if it's a vengeful they kill in the other two.
4) As long as it takes, I'm not setting a deadline for before the deadline happens.

[JacksonVirgo]

Whomst among us has experience playing this setup?

I've

seen

it on the wiki but never played it or anything like it before really.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Infinity

If scum hammers, kill that with a venge.

[JacksonVirgo]

No there's no chance unless they want to suicide, me stating that much is for any dumbos

[JacksonVirgo]

We need something to happen to progress the game forward or nothing will happen

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think scum would low-post as much as Drew has been so that's likely Town. I also like bugspray's posting even if I didn't originally.

That leads scum in Infinity/MathDemon
If it isn't, well there's a 50% chance to hit scum with the venge just in vacuum. I am almost certain I am wrong about one of infinity/math but not both.

[JacksonVirgo]

Fair enough, I just feel like that isn’t a great way to do that.

Do you still SR bugspray? I thought 43 was towny

PEdit: that’s a really bad reason to TR drew

I do know that logically that's a bad reason to clear drew, although my gut and my weird backwards logic makes me think that that's it. Shouldn't really be a bother for you anyway as either you reciprocate my reads to an extent (removing you and adding drew) and think it's Drew/Demon or you think it's me + drew/demon.

I am still slightly paranoid of scum!bugspray however as everyone should be, I am also wary of you possibly pocketing bugspray here as well. This setup should be called paranoia. And no I TR bugspray enough to not yeet them today but I still have a wary eye on them.

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah with half the other players being scum it's easy to get paranoid. Rn I'm still a bit worried about the easy TR when there's a flagbearer in the setup.

Exactly.


I am seeing an Infinity/Bugspray as a possible mafia team which is honestly terrifying at this point so I hope not. More likely I'm seeing Infinity/Demon and slightly less likely Drew/Demon and lowest likely is Bugspray/Demon.

I don't really see you and drew together at all tbh

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you SR me, or is it mostly PoE?

Just PoE although I do agree you've been acting townie as fuck just now so I don't know how to act.

VOTE: Demon is probably the safer elim here.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: drew
I'm pretty sure this slot is bearer and I think the more likely partner is demon
Jv is town infinity is null

Drew wouldn't be the flagbearer imo.

If you're not scum flagbearer is in Demon/Infinity

[JacksonVirgo]

Hmm maybe the flagbearer would be more active to try to get TRs. But the active players are both towny ._.

Exactly my reasonings to not yeet drew today. If you say that both the active players are townie then it's obvious who you should be voting owo

[JacksonVirgo]

Demon doesn’t look like a flagbearer to me. They’re not trying to look town.

Then you think flagbearer is one of me and bugspray yes? If you do end up lynching one of us we still have a solid venge.

[JacksonVirgo]

I wouldn't

hate

a bugspray elim as I've still got paranoia for them and I think that the flagbearer is one of you two. I also trust your reads if you are Town to make the right call on a venge-kill

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I’m just not sure on which one. I know you have a good scum game since I meta’ed you for bending but my gut says you’re town here.

I wasn't scum in bending?

[JacksonVirgo]

I looked at a scum game of yours during bending to meta you.

Ohhh, gotcha

[JacksonVirgo]

My skill for scum is setting up to play the long game, in a game like this I'd likely suck but that's wifom so I'm gonna stop this train of thought here.

[JacksonVirgo]

I looked at a scum game of yours during bending to meta you.

which one?

This one I would assume

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo did not agree with you whatsoever and actually gave some good responses.

Can you tell me how my responses were good

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo did not agree with you whatsoever and actually gave some good responses.

Can you tell me how my responses were good

Nah, I'd rather keep that information hidden. That way I can use it in future games as well.

JacksonVirgo did not agree with you whatsoever and actually gave some good responses.

Can you tell me how my responses were good

Can you tell them how their responses were good?

Exercise some patience please. Also, this doesn't improve my read of your slot at all.
~Ircher

I'm going to take that as a pocket attempt then owo

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

I'll await the Drew Master

[JacksonVirgo]

My brain is literally dying

[JacksonVirgo]

Howdy Marky Mark

[JacksonVirgo]

We meet again

[JacksonVirgo]

Why has your position changed between those posts on the risk of scum quickhammering?

I changed my opinion on it, simple as that.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why has your position changed between those posts on the risk of scum quickhammering?

I changed my opinion on it, simple as that.

Noted. 42 shows that you were at least aware of the setup, if not experienced with it, so just feels odd that you would 180 on what was optimal in such a short period of time

I've read through most of the setups on the wiki, as I've been researching for my own setups. Does that mean I looked into the optimal plays of each game? No, of course not. I saw the setup at a glance and now I'm playing it. As time went on I changed my views on the setup.

[JacksonVirgo]

oh hi mark

[JacksonVirgo]

Can you please add post links to those numbers? I'm off to sleep now but I would like to be able to follow with those when I do check back on this.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: bugslray

Explaining soon

[JacksonVirgo]

Probably around now.

I've had this sinking feeling that I've been getting jebaited and it's not usually the reaction I get from my gut when I town-read someone unless it's specifically someone that is known to stab me in the ass crack which bugspray isn't. I also feel like the generalised town-read on them from earlier was more scum pushed than anything as when Mark came in they started pushing the exact opposite which actually is the reason that I am acting on that sinking feeling now.

It isn't solid mechanical reasonings but it's enough for me.

I have a solid town-read of Mark. And a PoE of Demon/Infinity/Bugspray which I think is perfectly fine. At the very least we have one scum in there with a >50% chance of hitting them either with a elimination or via a vengekill so I am happy with my odds there. If Mark is pulling a sheet over my eyes we can spot that later down the line after some flips assuming we don't instantly lose by failing the 50% venge assuming we yeet Town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Hi mark! I like that this thread has become a lot more active. I’ll catch up a little later, but @mark I wanted to know why you thought bugspray’s excessive confidence about your slot being flagbearer is scummy.

I am seeinga Infinity Goon and Bugspray Flagbearer vibe. I checked Demons ISO and they voted bugspray early which could be a distance but unsure.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why do I feel everyone is pocketing me

[JacksonVirgo]

You could just stop towntelling, it'd probably make the game easier

How would it make the game easier?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'd at least have a solve then

If I'm town-telling, doesn't that help you have a solve?

[JacksonVirgo]

Imagine if the town is purely the BendingLosers gang

[JacksonVirgo]

like im questioning why jv wouldnt unvote here assuming they are still voting on me

Why would I

[JacksonVirgo]

Interesting

[JacksonVirgo]

So scum in my town-reads huh

I’m probably leaning to vote Infinity but I’m not willing to vote right now

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually I am pretty set on my meta read on Mark to vote Infinity here.

[JacksonVirgo]

Perhaps it is, perhaps it is not.

By the way, there was a reason I asked about the length of Day 1. Typically, this setup is played during marathon weekend and not at other times. This generally means the game ends rather quickly. Regardless though, at only five players, I think we can get the info we need to make a decision well before the deadline arrives, at least if all of us are participating in the thread. We should wait for Doctor Drew to return/be replaced, but it seems clear to me we aren't getting too much out of discussion, so we should be considering making a decision once we hear from the Drew slot.
~Ircher

Talking about the Drew slot, I am not entirely sure if this is distancing from their bud or them talking about town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually fuck it

VOTE: Infinity

[JacksonVirgo]

Holy living fuck I WAS RIGHT HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Oh my god I've never risked anything more than what I've just done and it payed off holy fuck.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also slightly disappointed that we don't have a town bloc of the bending!losers team

Yeah I know it's really sad :C

[JacksonVirgo]

By the way I voted on a whim, because I knew I would probably never be able to effectively solve between the two of you so I did a gambit which payed off since now I know the scum, unless Mark is trolling which is almost impossible imo

[JacksonVirgo]

Wow okay

[JacksonVirgo]

Good game, kinda depressed but that's probably what was gonna happen regardless lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

I knew I was being heavily pocketed

[JacksonVirgo]

Let's do RQS:
Are you happy with the role you rolled this game?

I'm not the greatest as Town but I'll have to make do. Also

no you may not.

can we found out what no they may not?

I claimed that I was a Vengeful Townie and that the OP says Vanilla Townie so I am conftown, they yeeted that almost immediately and edited the OP lmfao