Micro 985 | Endgame

[Mathematical Demon]

Let's do RQS:
Are you happy with the role you rolled this game?

Absolutely! I dislike playing scum as a lot of the game's comes from solving, etc.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

So remind me, why are we doing RQS? It's not a newbie game, so I don't think it'll be that effective.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

Well, if we're gonna do it, we should do it properly with several questions. Not just one; one doesn't get people talking enough.

RQS:

2) Why dod you join this game?
3) If you were scum this game, would you quickhammer given the opportunity? Why or why not?
4) What do you think the optimal strategy for town is in this setup?
5) How long do you think we should take to finish D1 this game?

I'll post my answers at a later time.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

Also, tentative scumlean on JacksonVirgo based on RQS response so far.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

Let's do RQS:
Are you happy with the role you rolled this game?

Rolling Assassin is always fun

-Jake-

[Mathematical Demon]

2) Why dod you join this game?
3) If you were scum this game, would you quickhammer given the opportunity? Why or why not?
4) What do you think the optimal strategy for town is in this setup?
5) How long do you think we should take to finish D1 this game?

I joined because I wanted to Hydra with someone, the game size was relatively small, and it was being hosted by one of my friends. Lots of thinks seemed to work out.
I would not, considering that I'm a part of a hydra, and I think it would be unfair to them if I just quickhammered.
I wouldn't know. I don't really focus on strategy.
Until the players get bored.

-Jake-

[Mathematical Demon]

Fine, I'll use spoiler tags so you can see it.
Black highlights are the best.

-Jake-

[Mathematical Demon]

I find it funny that we're doing votes now whereas earlier, we were avoiding it because "mafia could quickhammer".

bugspray's RQS answers were really uninspiring. I will probably vote there as soon as I confirm my hydra partner is okay with it.

Also, I have quite some experience with this setup as it is often run during marathon weekend.

~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

VOTE: bugspray
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

Drew hasn't posted more than the response to the RQS questions.
@BeatsByDrew Who do you think is least likely to be the flagbearer?

-Jake-

[Mathematical Demon]

Dr Drew

[Mathematical Demon]

EBWOP
Dr Drew
-Jake-

[Mathematical Demon]

Well, if we're gonna do it, we should do it properly with several questions. Not just one; one doesn't get people talking enough.

RQS:

2) Why dod you join this game?
3) If you were scum this game, would you quickhammer given the opportunity? Why or why not?
4) What do you think the optimal strategy for town is in this setup?
5) How long do you think we should take to finish D1 this game?

I'll post my answers at a later time.
~Ircher

2) I can't talk about this to ongoing games.
3) No. I would definitely hammer but I'd try to be less obvious about it. Maybe fake an accidental hammer.
4) Eliminate scum. How? I'm working on it
5) We take as long as we need. That's a dumb question.

So going back to why I don't like the bugspray slot:

Their answer to #2 and #3 are okay. Their answer to #4 really pings me though. Like, if you are town, you should have some idea in mind here. The way they answered it is pretty much just sidestepping the question altogther and not really committing a response. #5 is also an awful response. "I think this question is stupid, so I'll give a noncommitted response." Like sure, scum may take more time to compose their answers thoughtfully, BUT town should also think through them, wonder why they may have been asked, and provide a response that helps advance the game. bugspray's responses to #4 and #5 aren't useful and don't really help advance the game.

Aside from the RQS answers, I am also not a fan of bugspray being the one to start RQS. RQS tends to be started by scum who want to look busy without doing anything of note. Based on bugspray's responses here, I don't buy the argument that we couldn't RVS in this game as a valid reason to do RQS instead. Indeed, more has come out of this thread when we started voting than what happened during RQS.

I apologize that I am not paying much attention to the thread. It's a bit of work to hop onto the hydra account, and my engagement and investment in this game is rather low currently.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

@Infinity324:

That's a good question. You can see below that I did question the premise:

So remind me, why are we doing RQS? It's not a newbie game, so I don't think it'll be that effective.
~Ircher

That said, I would say I continued it because 1) I took bugspray at face value at the time that we couldn't vote (wasn't thinking much then) and 2) if we started it, we shouldn't ignore it. It may be useful in some way or fashion.

I think if I had thought about it more, I probably would've voted, but part of it was that we already established we were gonna try RQS so I went with it at the time.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

Saying that I agreed with you via my answer is kinda stretching it.
Also switching to normal text because it's easier to type on mobile.
-Jake-

[Mathematical Demon]

Demon what about the other 5 answers that agreed with me?

My other head gets a pass because well, I know their alignment.

Infinity 324's response was less flippant so it didn't really come across as actively not being useful. The way you write your response is equally important as what you actually say.

JacksonVirgo did not agree with you whatsoever and actually gave some good responses.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

Also, tentative scumlean on JacksonVirgo based on RQS response so far.
~Ircher

What does tentative mean, I've seen it a lot the past day or two and I forget.

Somehow I missed this.

Tentative - Not certain or fixed; provisional

So a tentative read is one where I'm not really confident in it and that could easily flip both ways.

Ok fair enough. I don’t really agree with your case on bugspray, but it looks like you believe it at least. What are your guesses for flagbearer and goon?

bugspray for flagbearer. Drew or Infinity for goon.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

JacksonVirgo did not agree with you whatsoever and actually gave some good responses.

Can you tell me how my responses were good

Nah, I'd rather keep that information hidden. That way I can use it in future games as well.

JacksonVirgo did not agree with you whatsoever and actually gave some good responses.

Can you tell me how my responses were good

Can you tell them how their responses were good?

Exercise some patience please. Also, this doesn't improve my read of your slot at all.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

Perhaps it is, perhaps it is not.

By the way, there was a reason I asked about the length of Day 1. Typically, this setup is played during marathon weekend and not at other times. This generally means the game ends rather quickly. Regardless though, at only five players, I think we can get the info we need to make a decision well before the deadline arrives, at least if all of us are participating in the thread. We should wait for Doctor Drew to return/be replaced, but it seems clear to me we aren't getting too much out of discussion, so we should be considering making a decision once we hear from the Drew slot.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

Also, @JacksonVirgo, the fact of the matter is that even if that was a pocketing attempt, it doesn't matter much because you are in a pretty strong position right now. To clarify what I mean, if I were scum, I would not at all try to drive the execution towards you because it wouldn't be worth the effort. Aside from your RQS answers, you are also one of the people most present in the thread, and it would be hard to spin your approach so far as scum.

Take your 48/49 for instance. It's one thing to be like, "Hey, we need more content and more people discussing," as is your 48, but to then follow up with 49 shows that you are actually interested in solving and not merely stating it because it looks good. Indeed, 49 led into an ensuing conversation with Infinity that has helped this game progress quite some.

Speaking of Infinity, my main misgivings with their slot rn is their 83. It feels tonally off, and if I wasn't aware of my own alignment, I would consider it an associative slip. But we're (as in this slot) town, so.... Really not sure what to make of. I see it as a white-knighting of sorts and undeservedly ao.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

Checking in... nothing new has really happened. Still not really convinced by Infinity's explanation but whatever.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

Here's where I am at so far. I will caveat this with it is pg 5 so there's still more time to develop these.

Of particular note I find it weird how people are TRing bugspray. Their 43 is towny but is also just stating a widely-accepted truth and is an angle that scum often push too to try and push non-active players. I'd challenge the other players to name any other posts from them that contain genuine scrutiny or analysis (maybe 64, but it is very WIFOMy). I'd like to hear from people why they are TRing them as I am just not seeing what you're seeing.

Demon (slight scumlean)

+TR

Being pinged by the JV u-turn of whether scum quickhammering is a genuine threat D1 as this was also what stood out to me

+SR

The over-analysis in 84 on the RQS response

It's not over analysis; it is simply analysis. If anyone is over analyzing rn, I would argue it is you with your mile long posts. (That being said, I don't think you are over analyzing here, at least not to a scummy level.)

The keenness to rush through D1 in 98

It's not keenness to rush. It is me making the evaluation that using the full deadline is a waste of time, and when discussion dies down, as it did, we should decide an elimination.

The assumption in 100 that JV was universally TRed and the general coyness around the reason for the TR

It's not really an assumption so much as my perspective. I articulated quite clearly why I think trying to twist a scumread on Jackson would be difficult and a bad idea from scum!me.

JV (townlean)

+TR

The general reasoning and feel of their posts overall are on the money, rather than any one specific post
^The interactions you have with infinity in particular came across as genuine towny from you.

Just going to point out that the Infinity interactions was one of the things I referenced when I noted Jackson was pretty townie here. You are obviously in agreement, so...

+SR

The change in position over scum quickhammering just feels really off in terms of the tone used to express it

Bugspray (slight scumlean)

+TR

43 is townish and I agree with the sentiment that getting activity going is good.

+SR

64 is a WIFOMy justifcation of his vote on my slot in 59 on the grounds that the pressure of being flagbearer could paralyse a player. Not massively AI, but goes against the general consensus that an effective way to play flagbearer is to try and actively get townread.
^Also odd to be "pretty sure" a slot with 1 post is bearer on pg 3
82 is borderline busywork
92 is LAMIST

Infinity (somewhere between null and slight townlean)

+TR

50 feels on the money
62 in response to bugspray's 59 feels like good scrutiny and chimes with my thinking

+SR

The assertion that demon is not trying to look town doesn't match what I'm seeing from them
^ It feels like you are using this to angle towards a possible elim on my slot even if you SR me less on paper than demon

Some responses in purple.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

1)It was a small game that was probably going to be lightweight and fun compared to a few other games where I got a bit aggressive.
2) Quickhammering as scum outs the mafia so not with vengeful townies
3) Probably to create a PoE of three, lynch within that and if it's a vengeful they kill in the other two.
4) As long as it takes, I'm not setting a deadline for before the deadline happens.

So I think this is a townie response because 1) Every response answers the question asked without dodging the question and 2) I think the answer to #3 is a legitimate strategy that could work in our favor. I don't think it's the kind of strategy suggested by scum, especially when it seems most of you have very little experience with the setup. Furthermore, I think scum would be more inclined to answer that question the lazy way by dodging it altogether... because they can probably get away with it.
~Ircher

[Mathematical Demon]

VOTE: bugslray

Explaining soon

Can we get an ETA for when we'll get an explanation?

-Jake-

[Mathematical Demon]

-Jake-