Micro 990: Dark Waltz Main Dance - Game Over!

[Harley Quinn]

Interesting. There’s no conftown this time.

Also nightless.

[Harley Quinn]

Iirc even when this was run by FakeGod at this size there was a conftown in it

There were also 3 scum in that, considering its nightless, wouldn’t that make it too townsided?

[Harley Quinn]

That makes it easy. Pair the conftown with the towniest partner and eliminate everyone else.

There is no confitown. In FG games, he’d reveal one player as town at the beginning of the dance. We don’t have that in this game.

[Harley Quinn]

No there was a single 9p with 2 scum he ran. That was my initiation into the dance game series.

Oh, I was only aware of the 3 one.

[Harley Quinn]

Someone ought to draft Penguin into this game so he could post dance gifs.

[Harley Quinn]

Was there still the single NK in the micro FakeGod dance? I feel like the NK and the IC kind of balance each other out.

Yeah I think so too. So far the only player I got weird vibes from was Mikan but I’m going to wait to see more from him but that was an odd entrance, that’s for damn sure.

[Harley Quinn]

[Harley Quinn]

Was there still the single NK in the micro FakeGod dance? I feel like the NK and the IC kind of balance each other out.

Yeah I think so too. So far the only player I got weird vibes from was Mikan but I’m going to wait to see more from him but that was an odd entrance, that’s for damn sure.

I-I'm sorry you find my entrance weird! Please punish me and treat me like a filthy pig!

I think the BDSM dance is in a different building.

[Harley Quinn]

Is Legolad a Hectic alt?

Almost all alts are either Krazy or Hectic so very probably.

[Harley Quinn]

I’m genuinely concerned about whether the roleplaying from Mikan may be corollary to real issues being dealt with by the person playing.

Lol why?

[Harley Quinn]

So far the only player I got weird vibes from was Mikan but I’m going to wait to see more from him but that was an odd entrance, that’s for damn sure.

If we're talking actual reads, Mikan doesn't really bother me but Rannygazoo pinged me. I'm all for fighting the heteronormativity inherent to the system, but he had to point out that he knew it didn't do anything instead of letting people react to it?

That was a comment to the mod to show I understood the rules, not a reaction test

Why am I the only one voting? Maybe I don’t understand the rules.

Yeah, I don’t believe votes count pre-dance.

[Harley Quinn]

Is Legolad a Hectic alt?

I am not. What is your flavor of dance? I'm looking for a lady who can operate a heavy duty aircraft.

Hi Hectic.

[Harley Quinn]

Ok, I was thinking scum would prefer not to be paired because then their partner can’t force them to leave, but scum actually desperately wants to be pairs to they can be let into the dance. Looks like I got the rules backwards.

Yeah but everyone wants to be paired but town won’t if they find the remaining unpaired scummy. Well with only two scum in this setup, it would really be bad for them to go unpaired.

[Harley Quinn]

Danceroom tier list

Akarin -
Ydrasse - Orange eye stares into my soul. She'd find out my every secret.
Gamma Emerald
Kanna - Wants to dance, and has joined the correct game for said objective. Efficient.
Harley Quinn - Uses mafiascum emojis. This is worrying.

Mikan Tsukimi - Used an uwu earlier. Top tier pick.
Rannygazoo - A cat? A man in a cat costume? A cat in a man costume in a cat costume? You don't know what you're getting with this one.
Uncrowned
Legolad - A humble fisherman.


Work in progress

Hectic has solved the game.

[Harley Quinn]

Akarin may possibly onto something? Anyway @Mikan, sorry if I offended you. I was probably thrown off by your comment.

[Harley Quinn]

[Harley Quinn]

I-I don't have a tragic backstory. I-I'm sorry D:

It's never too late to make a tragic backstory.

I was a poor girl forcibly adopted by circumstances into this rich family and this entitled bitch Eponine would constantly lord it over me.

[Harley Quinn]

at least if i play the game and find a man i will be able to dance adjacent to you... and for a brief moment maybe we shall find ourselves holding one another.......

no, no dance with me ydrasse; break my heart like you did with your previous lover, i heard he still hasn't recovered </3

my early read is slight bad pings off akarin; seems a lilll too keen to fit in i think!

Oh really? please elaborate.

[Harley Quinn]

re: akarin, i think it's more of a gut read, but she just feels... like she wants to fit in? understandable considering the ladies are not guaranteed a dance. e.g these posts

Spoiler:

Be the change you want to see in the world

Well I was kind of wondering about the meaning because they’re not about dancing, so you’d kind of expect that.

[Harley Quinn]

my early read is slight bad pings off akarin; seems a lilll too keen to fit in i think!

I kind of am, really. I felt very outsidery at the start of the last dance game, and now there's more boys than girls, and I already have one guy I don't want to pair with.

Yeah just realized a lady doesn’t get to dance. Well I didn’t spectate FG’s 9:2 dance game but I’m assuming that one lady was scum and one gentleman, so hopefully we can figure out the scum lady pre-dance. That would be nice.

[Harley Quinn]

Okay yeah Legolad is Hectic

Then he’s probably town here based on the sheer amount of shitposting.

[Harley Quinn]

I didn’t read the last game and I can’t find it.

I don’t think we’re guaranteed to know the genders of scum. Two scum gentlemen seems like a worst case scenario.

Yeah that would definitely suck.

[Harley Quinn]

Okay yeah Legolad is Hectic

Then he’s probably town here based on the sheer amount of shitposting.

I like that read myself. Despite not sticking to it, the same method proved effective on Princess Leia in Guitarists mafia

Too bad one of us can’t change their gender. :/

[Harley Quinn]

I-I am the ultimate nurse after all!

I mean I think Gamma’s probably town but he obviously can’t ask me to dance.

[Harley Quinn]

Okay yeah Legolad is Hectic

Then he’s probably town here based on the sheer amount of shitposting.

I like that read myself. Despite not sticking to it, the same method proved effective on Princess Leia in Guitarists mafia

A question to you both:

Have you ever seen this Hectic play as scum?

Yep.

[Harley Quinn]

i'm pretty sure legolad is isis; that out was very suspicious

Isis has alts?

[Harley Quinn]

i'm pretty sure legolad is isis; that out was very suspicious

Isis has alts?

harley is so cute

hold harley in my arms

<3

Why are there so many more townie ladies in this setup?

[Harley Quinn]

Okay yeah Legolad is Hectic

Then he’s probably town here based on the sheer amount of shitposting.

I like that read myself. Despite not sticking to it, the same method proved effective on Princess Leia in Guitarists mafia

A question to you both:

Have you ever seen this Hectic play as scum?

Yep.

if you have seen hectic play scum, how do you think this play makes him town?

Scum!Hectic jokes a lot less.

[Harley Quinn]

Gamma and Kanna I think are town, unfortunately for me they’re both ladies. :/

[Harley Quinn]

i think that akarin feeling that way after epilogue is entirely understandable because uh, it was something at times and a bit hard to get a foothold :<

(but you shouldn't worry too hard akarin because someone here will SWEEP YOU UP i know it!!)

can i get a tldr of what you mean with epilogue?

i don't want to be harsh if she was just having fun! but the vibe of wanting to fit in/post a lot seems like something i would feel if i was scum i think

I think Kanna is town for picking up on how I was feeling.

Mm, I agree. I think Kanna is far less likely to make this type of read as scum, especially since she's a Lady herself and might feel more apprehensive to make these sort of reads as scum from the get-go. It takes some courage.

I think this qualifies as scumhunting but in this case that would obviously be town hunting.

[Harley Quinn]

Scum!Hectic jokes a lot less.

i don't think that's true. can you show me what games made you think that?

i think hectic is just really good at rvs, that's why he never gets yeeted d1

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[Harley Quinn]

I-I am the ultimate nurse after all!

I mean I think Gamma’s probably town but he obviously can’t ask me to dance.

There’s one thing you CAN do.

Which is?

[Harley Quinn]

One thing that seems to happen a lot is the players on one side of the gender divide will townblock together
I don’t know the success rate of those townblocks

Does that usually happen?

[Harley Quinn]

Gamma and Kanna I think are town, unfortunately for me they’re both ladies. :/

Agree and I’m townreading you for matching my reads

Could you explain why you townread Gamma?

Uh, mostly gut. I was feeling that his genuine concern for Mikan was a good thing that good people do so he must be town. I guess it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

He said he’s just having fun and has 0 reads. That pings me a little but I don’t want to jump to conclusions. I myself am trying to figure out if I joined a mafia game or a dance rp thread (and if the latter, are we ballroom dancing or salsa or square dancing or what).

Based on the thread title. I’d say dark waltzing.

[Harley Quinn]

I-I am the ultimate nurse after all!

I mean I think Gamma’s probably town but he obviously can’t ask me to dance.

There’s one thing you CAN do.

Which is?

You townread Legolad right?
Help me pair up with him!

One thing that seems to happen a lot is the players on one side of the gender divide will townblock together
I don’t know the success rate of those townblocks

Does that usually happen?

Yeah, practically every game I think.

Well we’ve got one townier guy to at least three townie ladies, so we need to find two more.

Fite! fite! fite! XD

[Harley Quinn]

Scum!Hectic jokes a lot less.

i don't think that's true. can you show me what games made you think that?

i think hectic is just really good at rvs, that's why he never gets yeeted d1

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e-eh?! hectic was town here, wasn't he?

Yes.

[Harley Quinn]

@Harley You’d think, put y’all seem determined to bend the rules and make pairings that aren’t allowed.

lolwut

[Harley Quinn]

@Harley You’d think, put y’all seem determined to bend the rules and make pairings that aren’t allowed.

lolwut

I’m just saying, it says “Dark Waltz”, but all bets are off when it comes to how people will actually dance.

You said people are determined to bend the rules but you obviously know they can’t, so why say this?

[Harley Quinn]

Gamma and Kanna I think are town, unfortunately for me they’re both ladies. :/

Agree and I’m townreading you for matching my reads

Could you explain why you townread Gamma?

Uh, mostly gut. I was feeling that his genuine concern for Mikan was a good thing that good people do so he must be town. I guess it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

He said he’s just having fun and has 0 reads. That pings me a little but I don’t want to jump to conclusions. I myself am trying to figure out if I joined a mafia game or a dance rp thread (and if the latter, are we ballroom dancing or salsa or square dancing or what).

I don’t mean to be too forward, but ranny’s talk about being unsure what sort of thread this is strikes me as potentially scum trying to adapt to the thread climate.

It’s kind of a strange response to why he tr you. Like if you tr a slot, you usually don’t back that up with such a hedgey response.

[Harley Quinn]

You know what would be interesting? If in a future incarnation of this setup, people could switch genders at will to pair with a person of their choosing, but only if they’re part of the group with 1 extra.

+1

Someone should run that.

[Harley Quinn]

@Harley my tr was just a feeling. I thought I explained it okay but I see how “mostly gut” can be ambiguous. I meant “I checked and couldn’t find facts to back it up, so my read might be wrong.” I didn’t mean “this is how I feel and I will die by it.”

Why did you townread him?

He just seems very natural and relaxed, which for most people tends to be town indicative. Also asking a lot of questions.

[Harley Quinn]

(me looking around and realizing that people have reads)

Do not fear, Ydrasse. I can help you get into the game.



What's your read on this image?

i'm happy for harley quinn and akarin together... a little sad for kanna on her own, and ranny too, and feel bad tsumiki is getting so viciously attacked by the creature you have tamed?

and a little sad i do not have the same happiness as hq and akarin together...

Another lady, unless we can change genders, that’s not happening either.

[Harley Quinn]

I will never forget the Flaming Undead Polar Bear from Game of Thrones.

What episode was that?

[Harley Quinn]

I'm good to dance with any lad besides uncrowned rn

What don’t you like about Uncrowned, I mean besides his read on you?

[Harley Quinn]

Oh no, doesn't that mean I'm scum? Perhaps I should reexamine my role PM to ensure I didn't misread it. I think the important read is the one you have on me mid to late game though, that's the one that matters and we're recording in the streak. You still have time to change your mind and keep it going.

“mid to late game,” you say? then my streak isn’t even bad!! i wonder why you’re telling me this though? should i be worried?

out of curiosity, would you hypothetically want to dance with me? why or why not?

Mid to late game is what the streak is based on. You should indeed be worried of breaking the streak, I enjoy bringing it up.

I want to dance with someone I believe is town and I can share a good tragic backstory with through the art of roleplaying in our PT. You are probably town, Ydrasse has a fantastic tragic backstory. Mikan has the RP factor going for her, oh hang on, she's a gentlemen.

Gamma, Harley, and Akarin are distant clouds for me at the moment.

Alright, well who am I to interfere with true love?

Kanna should definitely be paired with the towniest gentleman. *does background check on all available suitors*

[Harley Quinn]

for me, i think that i find akarin and ranny earnest so far,

ydrasse! can i ask you to elaborate on your ranny read?

the best way to describe it would be that at the beginning he felt especially stilted in what he posted, and i prodded at one of those posts asking why he felt the need. however, as things went on i've found him to be sincere in how he's presenting himself to everyone playing so far. this could be a personality sort of thing but i find that someone who's willing to behave like that skewing more towards town.

like, maybe i should have qualms too about him saying "yep i'm reading the thread climate" but i just... don't right now. he seems to be well-meaning, basically.

I almost want to say most of the ladies pair up here a la Sadie Hawkins except with each other but that obviously can’t happen.

[Harley Quinn]

Gamma and Kanna I think are town, unfortunately for me they’re both ladies. :/

Agree and I’m townreading you for matching my reads

Could you explain why you townread Gamma?

Uh, mostly gut. I was feeling that his genuine concern for Mikan was a good thing that good people do so he must be town. I guess it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

He said he’s just having fun and has 0 reads. That pings me a little but I don’t want to jump to conclusions. I myself am trying to figure out if I joined a mafia game or a dance rp thread (and if the latter, are we ballroom dancing or salsa or square dancing or what).

I don’t mean to be too forward, but ranny’s talk about being unsure what sort of thread this is strikes me as potentially scum trying to adapt to the thread climate.

I'm good to dance with any lad besides uncrowned rn

I'm good to dance with any lad besides uncrowned rn

Why uncrowned?

And why are you good to dance with me? I thought you were scumreading me.

I don’t really scumread as much as I found one thing suspect. I don’t think it’s enough to warrant a scumread.
Uncrowned meanwhile seems rather nitpicky and awkward.

So what happened here @Gamma? When did Ranny suddenly become town for you?

[Harley Quinn]

I-I am the ultimate nurse after all!

I mean I think Gamma’s probably town but he obviously can’t ask me to dance.

There’s one thing you CAN do.

Which is?

You townread Legolad right?
Help me pair up with him!

This post didn’t really sit right with me. Not that I’d be able to do that even if I wanted.

[Harley Quinn]

@Uncrowned, are you currently scumreading/suspicious of Gamma/Ranny/Ydrasse and Mikan?

I don’t think there is yet enough content on Mikan and not really seeing the issue with Ydrasse since she has made reads. I also don’t think that Ranny and Gamma are buddies, assuming either are scum.

[Harley Quinn]

what are your reads right now?

HQ
Kanna
Lego
Akarin?
Ydrasse?

Still trying to sort you and Ranny

Mikan?
Gamma?

Why do you think Gamma would try to set you up before you’ve even made a single post?

[Harley Quinn]

it keeps you safe from all the creatures that are dive-bombing you! our magic in that plane of reality tends to draw in some really strange creatures sometimes... like manawyrms! they want to eat up all the power we have, but my parents there always kept them away. the power armor was to protect my human flesh, because it's a lot softer. the faeries have an exoskeleton of sorts... but it didn't even matter in the end when i couldn't keep it powered!!! oh well. and that sounds like a good plan, i'm happy to help you prepare for that moment! i'll pretend that i'm casting a spell, pew pew, fireball.

for me, i think that i find akarin and ranny earnest so far, and the former maybe a little sympathetic for reasons i've already stated, though i'm unsure if that means i should townread her yet or not. uh, so far i think kanna has had tingles of good vibes too? everyone else i'm null on but i've not read terribly into content yet...

I think that unlike Mikan, Ydrasse has actually made reads but fair, not a lot but it’s still early but based on this, I’d probably rank her higher than Mikan who has made none and Gamma who has only expressly scumreads and a townread on Lego. Since I don’t think that Mikan has done anything AI yet, why would he be okay with that pairing, when before that he specifically only wanted Lego?

[Harley Quinn]

U-uh Ranny who do you townread?

I wouldn’t be surprised if uncrowned’s solve of having two scum in {Gamma, Mikan, Ydrasse} turned out to be right.

I think uncrowned it towny for trying to solve but I need to look at it again to be sure I’m not just reacting to his read of me. I still think Kanna is the towniest lady. HQ’s thoughts today echoed mine which makes me wary I’m being buddied.

Idk. I’ll get back to you tomorrow. Shove my hand in a toaster and wrap it with tape if that’s not okay.

How is having my own opinions on anything read as buddying to you?

[Harley Quinn]

@Ranny would you describe yourself as an overly paranoid player in general? Please answer, it’s important. Thanks.

[Harley Quinn]

Kanna should definitely be paired with the towniest gentleman. *does background check on all available suitors*

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i feel bit bad for putting akarin at the bottom if she did just want to have fun and dance, but she ends up below-dance floor on my list no matter how i think about it. i think lego/ydrasse/akarin should dance as a trio, if possible!

Why is lego so low for you?

[Harley Quinn]

For a while I thought it was possible that Akarin's early push on Ranny was possible it came from scum who had more information on the gamestate.
However I'm ruling this out due to Akarin seeming individually townie and I can't think who would be her partner.
For a long while I thought it was Ydrasse but that doesn't seem to line up from Akarin's perspective and her reaction to my dance preferences probably comes from town more than it comes from scum.
She just doesn't seem to be playing to any agenda.

Ydrasse doesn't seem to be playing towards any agenda.

For a while I thought it was possible that Kanna's early posting was possible it came from scum who wanted to manipulate the gamestate, however I don't feel like her play is in line with that objective.
Also for awhile, I thought it could be possible for them to be partners with Uncrowned, but I feel like if that was the case, their reads would align just a bit more than they currently do.

Ranny's play could come from scum.
Actually now that I think about it, I prefer Legolad to dance with Kanna and Ydrasse to dance with Ranny because Kanna and Ranny are almost both town or 1 scum. I highly doubt both of them are scum.
But anyways, Ranny's play could come from scum, but I think its likely just limbait.

I think its just more likely that there's scum in {Gamma, Uncrowned} and I townread Gamma and think that that flip is probably the most helpful flip we can ask for atm that isn't me, because I also think my flip is also pretty informative but I feel like its just a waste for me to not dance with someone.

I honestly just super super scumread Uncrowned.
I think his reads and position is very perfect and really comes from scum. It just reeks agenda to me and the most likely partner for Uncrowned is Harley.

Dance partner or scum partner? because I would prefer to be paired with town since I don’t know what good drugs you’re taking but you’re completely off the mark if you think I’m scum with anyone.

[Harley Quinn]

Either way we lose one of {Akarin, Ydrasse, Kanna} and I'm pretty sure all of these players are town.

If you think I’m scum and you’re not taking into account that you’re wrong, does that change anything for you? If you’re town here, it should.

[Harley Quinn]

i must put my foot down if akarin/ydrasse are sunset candidates >_<

Is it more than those pictures? You still think like she’s trying to fit in or something?

[Harley Quinn]

im fine pairing with HQ. if its not kanna then that's my next best choice as of right now

ranny pretty much said my thoughts before I could bring them up but yeah this is very convenient timing

I think you’re probably town, so I think I’d be okay with that. I base at least part of my reads off tone, and you feel really sincere to me.

I’m trying to understand if Mikan is town with bad reads or scum pushing this and I think either could be possible. My initial preference would have been lego but Kanna doesn’t trust him and she is my #1 town in this game, so if she thinks it’s Isis and not Hectic, maybe I shouldn’t have been so quick to tr him?

[Harley Quinn]

Why is lego so low for you?

on the basis he pairs with ydrasse, he has to leave imo

So if he pairs with me, he’s okay but also not good with Akarin, correct? So, who do you scumread of the gents? Mikan, I’m guessing?

[Harley Quinn]

she says I have bad reads KEKW

If you think I’m scum here, bank on it. That’s why I can’t trust your read on Uncrowned either but I doubt I would agree with it even if you were reading me correctly.

[Harley Quinn]

A thing we could do is
Ranny - Gamma
Me and Legolad decide who gets left out between {Akarin, Ydrasse, Kanna}
and if Uncrowned wants to get in the dance, we force the player me and legolad left out to not dance with Uncrowned, therefore

forcing Uncrowned to dance with Harley

if they want to get into the dance.

There has to be scum in {Ranny, Gamma, HQ, Uncrowned} I don't see how this group of players are all town like ever.

It’s definitely not me and I don’t think it’s Uncrowned. Why the bolded kind’ve hurts my feeling. especially after I’ve had my hair done and bought a new dress just for this.

[Harley Quinn]

i must put my foot down if akarin/ydrasse are sunset candidates >_<

Either way we lose one of {Akarin, Ydrasse, Kanna} and I'm pretty sure all of these players are town.

If you think I’m scum and you’re not taking into account that you’re wrong, does that change anything for you? If you’re town here, it should.

if you flip town?
hmm
if ur town I would think maybe Legolad?

Like the thing is I kind of just really scumread Uncrowned independantly. Maybe it could be Uncrowned Akarin but I think thats the only thing thats left.
If ur town it might be better to flip ranny instead of Uncrowned.

His buddying comment to me seemed kind’ve weird because it didn’t make any sense but then he says he is an overly paranoid player in general and he didn’t seem to know how this game works.

I think you’re probably town, so unless there are actually two scum ladies, one of my gent townreads is wrong but I don’t think it’s Uncrowned and I don’t find lego scummy, so Idk.

[Harley Quinn]

Her lack of game content up until lately makes that very hard to read. It would have to be Lego or HQ just by POE.

You’re bad.

[Harley Quinn]

I think this is the best compromise.
If you're right on {Akarin, Ydrasse}, great
if we're not and I'm right on {Uncrowned, Harley}, great
if we're both wrong, at that point we just re-evaluate.

You’re not right on me.

[Harley Quinn]

Her lack of game content up until lately makes that very hard to read. It would have to be Lego or HQ just by POE.

why not have HQ pair with one of Mikan's scumpool?

Why not the people who actually have a clue how to read me decide that which based off of this post doesn’t seem to be you?

[Harley Quinn]

ranny/harley makes me feel better than you/ranny, i think, this is just ~gutpings~ tho

Considering Kanna is being correctly read by more people, she should probably be in the endgame pair, because either people incapable of reading or scum will vote me out before Kanna but I really appreciate you’re reading me correctly.

[Harley Quinn]

Are you normally this much of a bitch?

How does that make me a “bitch”? I said that I’d prefer people capable of accurately reading me to decide and if you think I’m scum, that obviously isn’t you.

[Harley Quinn]

Harley can you talk to me about who you think is scum and why you think its gamma? I thought you were last scumreading gamma, if not correct me

Well, I didn’t like his scumreading both Ranny’s and Uncrowned entrances and then asking me to help him get paired up with lego but then being fine with everyone but Uncrowned, who I still think is town.

Idk if it’s Gamma because I’m feeling the most confident on Kanna, you and Uncrowned rn. I’m not sure what to make over Ydrasse tr me over Kanna but I’m also not sure why she’d pocket me and not want to be paired with her strongest tr? That would seem anti wincon if she’s scum here.

I need way more content from Akarin but unless Gamma is omgussing me, I would think it’s should be fairly obvious to him I’m town here based off of content.

[Harley Quinn]

Do I know you?

What based of of that posted prompted this?

[Harley Quinn]

I would actually prefer to see Kanna paired with Mikan because I doubt I will ever vote them and I think we’re guaranteed to win.

I’m fine being paired with Uncrowned because I also think they’re probably town.

[Harley Quinn]

You know experiencing 1 player play scum way too often makes you forget how their towngame operates.
What is this, some new kind of gaslighting

christ

I’m not following this?

[Harley Quinn]

so wait what do you think of ranny then.

Not sure yet, like I’m still not sure on Akarin.

I have no experience playing with or reading him. If anyone else does, that would really help me to sort him.

[Harley Quinn]

You seem to think you are being mistreated on a personal level. Am I wrong? @HQ

Yes, I don’t understand why you’d think that? If I actually did think that, I wouldn’t keep it a secret.

[Harley Quinn]

You and Kanna have better early reads than I do anyways.

You are my strongest gent tr and Kanna my strongest lady tr and if that’s consensus, we win. I hope to convince Kanna of that because if I’m in the f4 with you and Kanna, I’m probably voting Uncrowned but if she picks Ranny, I’m less sure because I tr Uncrowned more than I do Ranny rn.

[Harley Quinn]

You got very touchy when I merely insinuated you might be scum. I don't think that yet, but jumping to the conclusion that I do doesn't make me feel good about you, just saying.

If I say I don’t really care how does that affect your read on me?

This isn’t remotely scum indicative for me btw. It’s actually null to town indicative.

I know you will probably deduct niceness points for that but unless I’m actually convinced YOU’RE town which I’m currently not, I’m not really too concerned about your read on me. Otoh, I care very much about the players I actually townread read me. Sorry if that came across to you as harsh but rn you’re not a townread for me, plus if you’re going to be suspicious of me for things that are never scum indicative for me anyway? Meh.

[Harley Quinn]

Why is lego so low for you?

on the basis he pairs with ydrasse, he has to leave imo

I suggest you read me irrespective of your read on Ydrasse, my Kanning Kanna. Where would I go in your readlist if you were to read me normally?

Either way we lose one of {Akarin, Ydrasse, Kanna} and I'm pretty sure all of these players are town.

If you think I’m scum and you’re not taking into account that you’re wrong, does that change anything for you? If you’re town here, it should.

Odd post

my strongest scumread is actually ydrasse; here's the scumgame i mentioned earlier. ignore the full first half, but the second half is what i would describe as "floating about". this surely isn't ydrasse's best performance, but i think she's more likely to completely lose touch with the gamestate as scum. i'd like to leave her unpaired if i were heartless and going against fun wincons and friendship.

another town!Kanna post

I would actually prefer to see Kanna paired with Mikan because I doubt I will ever vote them and I think we’re guaranteed to win.

I’m fine being paired with Uncrowned because I also think they’re probably town.

I'm surprised you townread Mikan to this extent for how much you've been disagreeing with her

Mikan seems really solvey to me and it looks like he’s genuinely trying to sort me and others. You don’t think so because it seems pretty obvious to me?

[Harley Quinn]

Kanna
Ranny
-
Gamma/Akarin/Uncrowned
-
Mikan/Ydrasse (close to null)
-
Harley/Uncrowned

I changed my mind a little on Gamma. I think I remember him feeling a little less natural as scum.
Uncrowned I really can't make my mind up on. I don't know if I want to put him on the same tier as Harley, or right below Ranny... it's a confusing one, like when you're riding a bike and find out mid journey that you're actually piloting an Apache Attack Helicopter.

Admittedly, 317 is a pretty bad post. It in theory sounds like a fun theory, but naturally drawing all that from a single line like that? It's pretty doubtful. I'm conflicted on this one.

Are you seriously scumreading me now? Can I ask why?

[Harley Quinn]

Actually, I feel better about this one - this is truer to the heart:

Kanna
Ranny
Gamma
Mikan
Ydrasse
Akarin
Uncrowned
Harley

Well Idk who you think I am but if this list is any indication, you’re very obviously wrong or you’re scum but I lean to you still being town and having no clue as to my main. Because I still think you definitely townread me here irrespective of alignment if you guessed my main right, so clearly you have no clue who I am.

[Harley Quinn]

Harley, the disadvantage of you having a really obvtown town game is that it really stands out when it's not present in other games. It's not even that you're doing anything massively scummy, though I've seen something dodgy here and there, it's just you're normally really obvtown. Out of interest, when was the last time you were actually mislaunched as town?

Ydrasse, everyone in this game awaits to see your towny soul shine brightly, if that means you must reread/skim over the game again in a ~solving mindset~, do what needs to be done!

I've committed far too much time to this game for one sitting, and shall be taking my leave now. Good day.

@lego either you don’t know who I am or you’re totally misreading me or you’re scum because there’s no way you know who I am, are correctly reading my posts and still scumread me here. So which one is it? I am never scum here so one of these things has to be true so which one?

[Harley Quinn]

do you know who harley is legolad? Would I know who she is?

He either doesn’t, is woefully misinterpreting my posts or he’s scum. It’s impossible that he knows who I am, is correctly reading my posts and still is scumreading me. No freaking way, I have no idea which one but his certainty on thinking he knows who I am, leads me to the complete misreading of my posts unless he’s also dead wrong about my main as well as my alignment. If he really does know who I am and he is town, like I think he probably is, then I’m deeply disappointed in him.

[Harley Quinn]

You got very touchy when I merely insinuated you might be scum. I don't think that yet, but jumping to the conclusion that I do doesn't make me feel good about you, just saying.

do you think that's AI

If Gamma thinks that’s ever scum indicative for me than he also has no clue who I am either.

[Harley Quinn]

@lego if you have actually guessed my main correctly, then you should definitely metadive me because this is not how I play scum like ever.

[Harley Quinn]

@Ranny, can you please link some town and scumgames for me because other people who I think are town are seeing something that I’m currently not and I still don’t have a read on you but experience has taught me that when players I townread are seeing something I’m not, I’m probably wrong.

I should probably ask Uncrowned the same thing but I still think he’s town. I’m really really shocked and disappointed by lego’s incomprehensible 180 on me but I still lean to him being town who is definitely misunderstanding me and probably wrong about my main. I hope he actually does know who I am because if he does and he metadives me, there is no way he still scumreads me after that. I don’t want to out my alt and I would rather not dance then do that, even if if doing so would guarantee me a spot.

[Harley Quinn]

Harley, the disadvantage of you having a really obvtown town game is that it really stands out when it's not present in other games. It's not even that you're doing anything massively scummy, though I've seen something dodgy here and there, it's just you're normally really obvtown. Out of interest, when was the last time you were actually mislaunched as town?

Ydrasse, everyone in this game awaits to see your towny soul shine brightly, if that means you must reread/skim over the game again in a ~solving mindset~, do what needs to be done!

I've committed far too much time to this game for one sitting, and shall be taking my leave now. Good day.

Sorry, I didn’t fully read this the first time, I was just so shocked and disheartened that you can’t tell I’m town here. I’m almost never mislaunched when I’m obvtown like I am here and yeah you should probably feel bad - IF YOU ACTUALLY DO KNOW WHO I AM and think I could still be scum here.

If I answer your question it will probably out my main. I’ll just say I have never been mislaunched as a solo player on this site, so this game would be the first time it happens if it happens.

[Harley Quinn]

This is really crazy because it’s extremely unusual for me to townread players even when they’re very obviously wrong on me but I think Mikan and Lego are my top two town gents and if I’m also right about Uncrowned and others are about Ranny, that would then point to two scum being amongst the ladies. HINT: It’s never me, extremely unlikely Kanna and still trying to decide between Gamma, Ydrasse and Akarin. I admit I’m inclined to be torn between Kanna’s Ydrasse read and being swayed by her correctly reading me, plus wanting Kanna paired with her top town read so rn, I’m leaning weakly to Ydrasee!town here based on that.

However, I’m still trying to figure out whether Gamma is sincerely trying to sort me or confibiasing me. If I can figure that out, it would be super. That’s why I feel really confident on Mikan!town because I really do feel she was definitely trying to sort me and is earnestly solving in general. So, I think Mikan and lego are my most confident town gents right now.

I have no familiarity with Uncrowned!scum so @Uncrowned, could you list some of your scumgames for me? And @Ranny, games of both alignments? And @Akarin some of your scumgames as well? Thanks.

[Harley Quinn]

Spoiler:

Harley, the disadvantage of you having a really obvtown town game is that it really stands out when it's not present in other games. It's not even that you're doing anything massively scummy, though I've seen something dodgy here and there, it's just you're normally really obvtown. Out of interest, when was the last time you were actually mislaunched as town?

Ydrasse, everyone in this game awaits to see your towny soul shine brightly, if that means you must reread/skim over the game again in a ~solving mindset~, do what needs to be done!

I've committed far too much time to this game for one sitting, and shall be taking my leave now. Good day.

Sorry, I didn’t fully read this the first time, I was just so shocked and disheartened that you can’t tell I’m town here. I’m almost never mislaunched when I’m obvtown like I am here and yeah you should probably feel bad - IF YOU ACTUALLY DO KNOW WHO I AM and think I could still be scum here.

If I answer your question it will probably out my main. I’ll just say I have never been mislaunched as a solo player on this site, so this game would be the first time it happens if it happens.

That's kind of insane. I can see why you alt now to prevent your scumgames being obvious when you always obvtown as town. I think you or Kanna should dance with Ranny, I believe he's likely town and you/Kanna are now my strongest townreads.

If not Ranny, I'm not too sure in the remaining gentlemen, but Gamma gives me the best vibes. It's not

nearly

as confident as my top 3 reads though.

That’s not actually why though. It’s because I got fed up with people continually misconstruing my meta. I actually had someone wrongly scumread me by woefully misconstruing my meta, so I’m both sick of that and also think it’s kind of lazy to coast on it to get people to correctly read me. I actually forgot, while I’ve never been technically mislaunched as in I was specifically flipped as a solo player, I did have one case where the slot I replaced out of was because my replacement was wrongly scumread. I also wasn’t anywhere near obvtown at the time I replaced out.

You’re obviously town or you wouldn’t be proposing to Ydrasse based off of Kanna’s dance pairings. I will re-ISO Ranny but I wish I could get metareads. You would be my first choice to pair for either Kanna or me. Gamma is a lady here I believe which is why he wanted to pair with you.

Gents

: you, Ranny, Uncrowned, Mikan.

Ladies

: me, Kanna, Gamma, Ydrasse, Akarin.

[Harley Quinn]

Just some quick thoughts. I don’t want to post a wall here.

Mikan’s reads have very little backing them up. I find it hard to buy, because it’s just, “here’s people who don’t ping me, and here’s people who ping me as scum.” Very easy to make up. The only one strongly townreading Mikan for this is HQ, and I really don’t get it.

A lot of Legolad’s reads are based on meta. It makes him look well-informed and it’s very hard to argue with. Legolad, consider a career in case law, so you can find case precedents no one’s heard of and win every time.

HQ very defensive this game. No one can shade her or place her lower on a tier list than she thinks she deserves. Might be more personality indicative than scum indicative. Unless...?

I don’t see why you think he’s scum? He’s been clearly trying to sort me as has lego. but Mikan’s progression on me reads really townie to me. I just don’t see scum ever approaching my slot like he has. It reads like a genuinely honest progression.

[Harley Quinn]

this just feels like a made up read to counter where the gamestate was headed

pedit: still @mikan

I dont think defensiveness should be used as a tell unless it's really part of the individuals meta but more often than not I'd say its NAI

So, you think Mikan is making stuff up?

[Harley Quinn]

I dont think defensiveness should be used as a tell unless it's really part of the individuals meta but more often than not I'd say its NAI

Well that’s what’s bothering me about Gamma because it seems that he’s vastly over exaggerating it. Saying I’m acting like I’ve been personally attacked, is just way over the top.

Akarin not posting at all looks bad. Is she due for a prod yet? So, I’m kind’ve inclined to think she’s not likely a Ranny buddy, so Ranny probably town if Akarin scum. So this makes me lean more to two ladies or one lady/one gent.

I’m sad that lego didn’t pair with either Kanna or me.

[Harley Quinn]

Assuming you're talking about Mikan,

My pairings were mostly based off of leaving out gamma and flipping him for the most amount of information. I townread him. If he was scum I would be surprised and I would need to re-evaluate like...

What do you think about the plan of flipping a townread as we go into the dance phase? Is that something town or scum would want?

Yeah, you’re right, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Despite my concern with Gamma, he’s still doing more than Akarin so don’t know?

Of course leaving Gamma out implies Akarin not be. Her lack of engagement with the game vastly falling off is kind of worrisome. It’s plausible that she’s just upset she might not get paired but I would expect town!Akarin to be doing more here, particularly going head to head with Kanna over her Akarin scumread.

[Harley Quinn]

akarin still hasn't answered my thing about her TRs but eh

I found it weird she liked mikans read list or order of dance preference or whatever when it had kanna and her at the bottom

tring someone who SRs you isn't crazy or anything but the fact she had kanna low as well and she still said she liked it was a bit off imo

I-I think I found scum but I don't think I want to play my hand at this moment. If people want me to pair with Ydrasse I am more than happy to do that, its what I joined this game to do anyways! I'm sorry if this upsets anyonne please punish me!

Do you mind saying if you want to dance with Ydrasse in particular? Do you think she's prone to stepping on your feet while dancing?

I don't exactly have a preference in who I want to dance with, but if I did it would probably go Gamma > Harley > Ydrasse > Kanna > Akarin
T-this isn't really indicative of anything I'm thinking atm. I'm sorry I hope this will satisfy you? If not please stuff me inside a pumpkin!

That's actually a really interesting preference order. I like it.

Yeah that is definitely weird for both of the reasons you mentioned.

[Harley Quinn]

Spoiler:

but Mikan’s progression on me reads really townie to me

What natural progression? Are you talking about this?

Alright.
I'll townread you for a bit.

Idk. Congrats on getting someone to say they townread you. This doesn't move me. You were townreading Mikan before in 485, I really don't know what progression you're referring to.

So here's Mikan's first game post. Everything before this doesn't count as far as I'm concerned.

For a while I thought it was possible that Akarin's early push on Ranny was possible it came from scum who had more information on the gamestate.
However I'm ruling this out due to Akarin seeming individually townie and I can't think who would be her partner.
For a long while I thought it was Ydrasse but that doesn't seem to line up from Akarin's perspective and her reaction to my dance preferences probably comes from town more than it comes from scum.
She just doesn't seem to be playing to any agenda.

Ydrasse doesn't seem to be playing towards any agenda.

For a while I thought it was possible that Kanna's early posting was possible it came from scum who wanted to manipulate the gamestate, however I don't feel like her play is in line with that objective.
Also for awhile, I thought it could be possible for them to be partners with Uncrowned, but I feel like if that was the case, their reads would align just a bit more than they currently do.

Ranny's play could come from scum.
Actually now that I think about it, I prefer Legolad to dance with Kanna and Ydrasse to dance with Ranny because Kanna and Ranny are almost both town or 1 scum. I highly doubt both of them are scum.
But anyways, Ranny's play could come from scum, but I think its likely just limbait.

I think its just more likely that there's scum in {Gamma, Uncrowned} and I townread Gamma and think that that flip is probably the most helpful flip we can ask for atm that isn't me, because I also think my flip is also pretty informative but I feel like its just a waste for me to not dance with someone.

I honestly just super super scumread Uncrowned.
I think his reads and position is very perfect and really comes from scum. It just reeks agenda to me and the most likely partner for Uncrowned is Harley.

Notice the lack of evidence or explanation except on Kanna and Uncrowned.

Why the sudden shift? Mikan says it's dropping a gimmick, but you can play in character. Ydrasse and Legolad have been doing that, more or less. I think it's like I said earlier. Mikan realised she wasn't going to coast until the end without content, and had to make up some reads. Kanna said it was heroic to go against the status quo, but if the status quo means your informed minority loses, then that's what you have to do. (I think Uncrowned made this point earlier).

. Well positing me as a buddy is a strange thing to do pre-dance before any partners are even chosen. But yeah why would you want to flip your townread pre-game? I really don’t know what possible information she hopes to get from flipping Gamma pre-game as a townread, you generally only get that kind of information from scumflips, so yeah really doesn’t make sense.

I guess I tr her based solely on their progression on me plus I was null on you and suspicious of Gamma. I’m feeling better about you now but still unsure on Gamma but I think Akarin agreeing with that list is really odd. Her lack of engagement with the game also worries me because she is usually much more active as town.

[Harley Quinn]

oh and I'm also just really confused by mikans read on me and ranny because I dont get what its implying

like does she think it was a gambit by me and ranny as a distancing ploy for me to "pretend" to miss his post and make a SR on him and then come to a mutual TR on each other? like she said as scum id want to target ranny but then is also saying ranny is scum?

this combined with the "oh yeah let's list 4 players and say there's scum here. let's elim one after the other" and then coming up with these "associatives" or "diassociatives" just screams of scum agenda to link together potential elims

Well now that you referenced that strange post by Akarin. I think my townread on her was maybe premature. I guess I shouldn’t auto assume that scum couldn’t respond similarly to a player they scumread obvtowning them.

Well, I still think I’m right about lego and you though. I’m definitely right about Kanna.

[Harley Quinn]

Assuming you're talking about Mikan,

My pairings were mostly based off of leaving out gamma and flipping him for the most amount of information. I townread him. If he was scum I would be surprised and I would need to re-evaluate like...

What do you think about the plan of flipping a townread as we go into the dance phase? Is that something town or scum would want?

Yeah, you’re right, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Despite my concern with Gamma, he’s still doing more than Akarin so don’t know?

Of course leaving Gamma out implies Akarin not be. Her lack of engagement with the game vastly falling off is kind of worrisome. It’s plausible that she’s just upset she might not get paired but I would expect town!Akarin to be doing more here, particularly going head to head with Kanna over her Akarin scumread.

Maybe this makes sense since (I think?) her scumreads are in the gentlemen, and she townreads all the ladies? It's just a weird way of putting it.

I think you maybe town now, so I’m good with you proposing to Kanna. I think based off of engagement alone, I would probably agree with Kanna and think Gamma ought to be paired over Akarin.

[Harley Quinn]

Mikan had a very anti-narrative set of pairing preferences.

Why do people always act like it should be inconceivable to townread someone who suspects you?

Why aren’t you confronting Kanna on her read of you? Instead you just said you tr her for getting how you feel? I don’t understand why you’d think someone scumreading you is getting how you feel? I would think that’s the exact opposite of that.

[Harley Quinn]

i think if I have to be paired with gamma I might as well just not dance tbh

So he is your strongest scumread amongst the ladies?

[Harley Quinn]

Ydrasse and HQ were the later ones pushing the "Akarin isn't doing anything" thought process.

And yes, perhaps that was premature on my part, so redacted.

[Harley Quinn]

Why aren’t you confronting Kanna on her read of you? Instead you just said you tr her for getting how you feel? I don’t understand why you’d think someone scumreading you is getting how you feel? I would think that’s the exact opposite of that.

I

said

for getting how I feel about feeling like I don't fit in. Kanna was reading a lot into tone and underlying thoughts, and doing so with some actual insight rather than just an agenda.

Alright that makes sense but if she isn’t townreading you, you obviously can’t think she’s getting how you feel, was my point.

[Harley Quinn]

Like what even is there to confront? I don't feel like I fit in. I've said (and Ydrasse backed me up earlier) that this was the same way I felt at the start of the other dance game. Kanna wasn't wrong about that, just drawing the wrong conclusion from it.

Okay, I’m honestly trying to sort you here and if you’re town I want you to be paired.

[Harley Quinn]

at some point you TRing people who SR you just looks like attempts at appeasing them

like who are you actually SRing here?

Not sure right now, need more time to actually get my head back around the game. I need to do that Ydrasse reread. Maybe HQ, maybe you.

But if you scumread me maybe you can have that townread you want.

Why? And how am I scum here for wanting to genuinely sort you?

[Harley Quinn]

Alright that makes sense but if she isn’t townreading you, you obviously can’t think she’s getting how you feel, was my point.

If you pick up on someone's emotions you can't be wrong about why they have them?

Okay I think I get it now. If you feel you don’t fit in in dance games why sign up or was it just the last one and this one?

I’m not scum here but I’m trying to find out if you are or not. I am totally not confibiased on you. I obviously made an unfair assumption about your lack of activity which I now withdraw. I want you to show me why you’re town, so I can advocate for you being paired if I can see that. If I was actually scum here, believe me I wouldn’t bother.

[Harley Quinn]

Why? And how am I scum here for wanting to genuinely sort you?

Well putting words in my mouth about "for wanting to sort me" for one thing. But I meant about the reinforcing the "Akarin is a lurksack" narrative. I don't think it's scummy for one person to say stuff like that, but when people start to pile on I think scum are likely the ones to help pile on if the direction that pushes the game is convenient for them.

Are you reading my posts? I already said that was unfair of me and I withdraw it. I’m not putting words in your mouth. It’s a real question I’m asking. How can I be scum here when I genuinely want to sort you?

[Harley Quinn]

Okay I think I get it now. If you feel you don’t fit in in dance games why sign up or was it just the last one and this one?

I don't think it's particular to dance games really, just certain playergroups and the dance mechanic makes that front-and-center early in the game. And because I like the mechanics of it.

And because when I'm not feeling really down about myself I want to actually try to do things that are fun instead of letting this all keep me down and isolated. Not that that always works.

Well it would be a real shame if personal issues are getting you wrongly scumread. Talk to me then? I’d like this game to be fun for you.

What can I do to help you feel more comfortable so if you’re town you can hopefully convince us?

[Harley Quinn]

Are you reading my posts? I already said that was unfair of me and I withdraw it. I’m not putting words in your mouth. It’s a real question I’m asking. How can I be scum here when I genuinely want to sort you?

Yes I'm reading your posts. I'm not taking it as like deliberately malicious in a personal way, but I just explained why I think that kind of pile on is reasonably likely to come from scum.

The fact that you withdrew it is nice on a personal level and an actual-conversation level. It's good to try to work with people to evaluate them, I agree with that.

Doesn't change the original post though.

Of course it does, how can it not? And why are you reading that as “nice” over possibly town indicative?

[Harley Quinn]

I don’t understand @Akarin. I’m aware I said some things you didn’t like which I agreed with and withdrew and your only response to it was it’s “nice” and has absolutely no bearing on your reading of my alignment? I’m very clearly trying to find out if personal issues are preventing you from feeling more comfortable and helping you to be townread, so why then is your response to that just to shut me down?

[Harley Quinn]

I did get into things later in the game in Epilogue. I think by the end of the game scum!Beeboy was the only one scumreading me. But just let me actually get into things for a bit. We have 2 irl days.

Sure, fine by me.

[Harley Quinn]

Of course it does, how can it not? And why are you reading that as “nice” over possibly town indicative?

Because I don't think it's town indicative but I think it's indicative of you not being a stubborn jerk?

That makes absolutely no sense. If I’m not being “a stubborn jerk”, it obviously means I’m telling the truth about not being confibiased on you, so I don’t understand why you attribute that to niceness over towniness, because I wouldn’t be “nice” like that if I were actually scum here because it’s obviously not in my interest to do so. But because I’m town it IS in my interest to try to correctly sort you as best I can.

[Harley Quinn]

However, I’m still trying to figure out whether Gamma is sincerely trying to sort me or confibiasing me.

Here’s a tip: I’m not exactly scumreading you yet.

What do you think of Mikan’s not wanting to be paired with you? Are you saying by “yet” that’s how you’re leaning?
I would like this response if it weren’t for the “yet”, which makes me think you’re leaning to confibiasing me. Would that be an accurate reading of what you said or not?

[Harley Quinn]

Assuming you're talking about Mikan,

My pairings were mostly based off of leaving out gamma and flipping him for the most amount of information. I townread him. If he was scum I would be surprised and I would need to re-evaluate like...

What do you think about the plan of flipping a townread as we go into the dance phase? Is that something town or scum would want?

Yeah, you’re right, that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Despite my concern with Gamma, he’s still doing more than Akarin so don’t know?

Of course leaving Gamma out implies Akarin not be. Her lack of engagement with the game vastly falling off is kind of worrisome. It’s plausible that she’s just upset she might not get paired but I would expect town!Akarin to be doing more here, particularly going head to head with Kanna over her Akarin scumread.

Am I doing more than her? Besides that, good post

No, I think you’ve definitely been more engaged. And one thing I do like is you seem upbeat but that’s all I’ve got so far.

[Harley Quinn]

Sigh.

I'm not accusing you of confbias.

I'm saying that post 562 in particular pings me. And that isn't changed by any of this and I don't see why it should be.

Obviously if you are scum you aren't confbiased, but if you're town then that would be the opposite of confbias too. Not being confbiased isn't towny or scummy though.

I don't know who your main is.

I do understand that town would like to sort people, yes.

Because your response to this reads like you’re not even trying to read my posts in good faith and that makes a lot less sense fypov than Gamma’s because all I did to ping you was to comment on my concern for your lack of activity. When you pointed out I was wrong I admitted my mistake and made it abundantly clear I’m genuinely trying to sort you and you are very clearly ignoring that.

This is what I still like about Mikan because she didn’t respond that way to me.

[Harley Quinn]

Like can scum fake confbias? Of course. But does not being confbiased indicate towniness? I don't buy that.

Why in the world should this interaction of all things have given me some strong townread of you? You're acting like I'm weird for not townreading you off this, but scum!Pooky, for example, recently did the exact same kind of thing.

I’m trying to find out if you’re town is feeling down and therefore can’t get into this game or scum who’s unhappy they got a red role pm, so you picking a fight with me over this when I’m practically begging you to show me why you’re town here makes no sense. I read that game and no it’s not because I’m very clearly trying to sort you if you just stop fighting me but fine, if you don’t want to help me to sort you, then I’ll just back off.

[Harley Quinn]

I’m honestly very concerned Milan’s progression on reads on the ladies is all over the place here

Thoughts on my recent interaction with Akarin?

[Harley Quinn]

Because your response to this reads like you’re not even trying to read my posts in good faith and that makes a lot less sense fypov than Gamma’s because all I did to ping you was to comment on my concern for your lack of activity. When you pointed out I was wrong I admitted my mistake and made it abundantly clear I’m genuinely trying to sort you and you are very clearly ignoring that.

It has nothing to do with reading your posts in good faith. It has nothing to do with these recent posts at all.

I wouldn't be townreading

anyone

for acting like they're trying to sort someone by itself, and it baffles me that you think that I should.

And where's this "very clearly ignoring" and "not even trying to read" stuff coming in?

All I'm doing is responding to you instead of actually focussing on sorting the game right now. I'm just repeatedly trying to clarify myself to you.

I'm sorry I'm not townreading you for this, but you really think anyone would?

Yeah like duh! But whatever if you prefer to continue to confibias me instead of engaging with me in good faith, then this conversation is obviously pointless because I’ve obviously wasting my time, so don’t you dare accuse me of not honestly trying because we both know that’s bs.

[Harley Quinn]

I feel like Akarin and HQ are both town
I’ll probably just wallflower at this point because I can’t decide between uncrowned or ranny atp and I also don’t feel like stealing a gentleman from another lady
Plus I don’t feel like my efforts so far entirely deserve pairing, though if I get paired in the end I’ll work to make it worth it

I’m like this post. So do you have a read on Ydrasse yet or not?

[Harley Quinn]

so you picking a fight with me over this when I’m practically begging you to show me why you’re town here makes no sense.

How am

I

picking a fight here?

From my perspective it's all you picking a weird fight with me because I'm not conftowning you. And you say you're begging me to show you why I'm town, but what exactly are you expecting from all this, rather than letting me actually play the damn game?

Fine. I was trying to help you but you apparently can’t see that, so I’ll leave you alone.

[Harley Quinn]

But whatever if you prefer to continue to confibias me instead of engaging with me in good faith, then this conversation is obviously pointless because I’ve obviously wasting my time, so don’t you dare accuse me of not honestly trying because we both know that’s bs.

Seriously?

What do you think?

[Harley Quinn]

This went from "I'm just trying to help you" to weird personal attack really fast.

What personal attack? I’m obviously frustrated that I’m really trying to engage with you and you just continue to shut me down but I obviously don’t have to. Like I said, I’m willing to back off because you are either misunderstanding me or Idk what? But I know when I’m feeling like I’m banging my head against a brick wall, so I’m fine with ending this. If you honestly can’t see what I’m trying to do here, then that’s fine. Like I said, I don’t see the point of up wasting both our time, because I’m clearly not getting through.

[Harley Quinn]

so don’t you dare accuse me of not honestly trying because we both know that’s bs.

Like where the heck is this even coming from?

Because I really want to try to sort you but I can’t do that without your help.

[Harley Quinn]

Like where the hell does HQ get off saying I'm confbiasing her when my read is like lukewarm at best anyway.

Doesn't confbias require some degree of... conviction?

I’m not trying to fight with you but since you’re not seeing that, I’m okay with dropping it. *sigh*

[Harley Quinn]

What personal attack? I’m obviously frustrated that I’m really trying to engage with you and you just continue to shut me down but I obviously don’t have to. Like I said, I’m willing to back off because you are either misunderstanding me or Idk what? But I know when I’m feeling like I’m banging my head against a brick wall, so I’m fine with ending this. If you honestly can’t see what I’m trying to do here, then that’s fine. Like I said, I don’t see the point of up wasting both our time, because I’m clearly not getting through.

And yet this

whole post

puts it all on me. It's my fault because I keep shutting you down and I'm stupid and can't get you or whatever but

all I've been doing is trying to clarify things with you

.

And where do you even get that I don't get what your doing or can't see or am confbiased? I haven't said anything to that effect at all!

Why are you angry? I don’t understand how you can’t see what I’m trying to do here. But what is clear to me is that you’re misreading my intention and nothing I’ve said is convincing you otherwise, so when you realize that I’ve been trying to engage you in good faith and want to respond, great. Otherwise, like I said, I’ll just back off. Sorry that you’re reading this wrong an am apparently offended by it. :/

[Harley Quinn]

Like where the hell does HQ get off saying I'm confbiasing her when my read is like lukewarm at best anyway.

Doesn't confbias require some degree of... conviction?

I’m not trying to fight with you but since you’re not seeing that, I’m okay with dropping it. *sigh*

You think it might be possible that they’re trying to turn it into a fight?

I have no idea but I very obviously am not. I wanted to try to sort her, so I’m just really frustrated that she’s not seeing/acknowledging that.

[Harley Quinn]

I hope Akarin sticks around. The self-pity bit is unpleasant but NAI. I’m choosing to believe that it’s not being played for sympathy, and a feeling of not belonging can come from anyone regardless of alignment.

The vibe I’m getting from Akarin now is what it feels like as town when someone has been hammered and it just feels like they’re going to flip town.

But I’m trying to help her to avoid that “hammer” by engaging with me. I’m very clearly not confibiasing on her or tunnelling, so Idk maybe it’s just a personal thing and that’s why she’s pissed?

[Harley Quinn]

Kanna care to dance?

Harley care to dance?

Take it or leave it

I see this. Can I have some time to think about it? We still have two days.

[Harley Quinn]

I dunno, the whole back and forth seems a little confrontational to me.

Seriously how? I offered to back off as well, Are you forgetting that?

[Harley Quinn]

If this were a regular game of mafia, I’d be considering a policy elim on Mikan right now. If we hit scum, perfect, and if not, we’ve lost a townie who won’t cooperate, so town will be in better shape going forward.

On what basis?

[Harley Quinn]

There’s also the problem that we have one extra lady, so you’d be exiling I gent and two ladies.

[Harley Quinn]

I dunno, the whole back and forth seems a little confrontational to me.

Seriously how? I offered to back off as well, Are you forgetting that?

I didn’t read it super close, but the right move might have been to back off, not to ask if you should back off. If she’s feeling unwelcome, asking her to tell you to go away might make it worse.

Well I didn’t like that I felt my intentions were being misconstrued. Like had she said I see what you’re doing but I can’t do this rn, I’d obviously have been fine with it.

[Harley Quinn]

@mod: v/la until 12/16

i'm going to be busy the next few days (wooo), but i'll try to be present more once we're all paired.

unsure as to whether leaving mikan/gamma out right now because like, that one post sort of opened my eyes to "huh, this looks a bit?" but it's one post and towards me so like, idk if that's just bias. mikan is paranoia just because i've seen the scumgame from them before and i worry if them dropping the gimmick and starting to take things more seriously is an effort to like, control things a bit more which i think? is in line with what they'd do. :< idk

Who would you like the pairings to be?

[Harley Quinn]

Akarin is being replaced. Deadline will be paused while this occurs.

@Akarin, I’m genuinely sorry if I upset you. I really was sincerely trying to help. You will realize that post game. Please feel better. <3

[Harley Quinn]

You're not missing anything. The goal was to butter up to Mikan. None of the reads were real.

I actually hope Akarin/Shelley is scum because I feel I did something to make Akarin want to leave eventhough I don’t think I did anything wrong.

[Harley Quinn]

This makes me re-evaluate. The most likely scum pair is shellyc and Ydrasse.

Scumreading two of the gents when there’s five ladies doesn’t make a lot of sense. Maybe? I’m liking Gamma more and more, so I could maybe see it? But then that sucks for us that lego paired with her but then that makes things clearer. Now that I do think about it, Akarin’s reaction to me was kind’ve weird. LHF town don’t tend to respond like that and Shelley right away stating her claim on Mikan was also odd, where as Gamma’s not really caring that much over being paired seemed townie.

[Harley Quinn]

Just PoE. Shelly doesn’t have to work Mikan like that if they’re both scum. HQ doesn’t get into a public thing with Akarin if they’re on the same team. I don’t think Shelly is partnered with you because she’s kind of trying to push you out of the dance. Leaving you off may have been a scumslip, but Shelly is a good scum player.

Scum!uncrowned wouldn’t call a buddy out like that. It’s not me and I don’t think it’s Kanna. So that leave Ydrasse and Lego, but they’re a unit so it doesn’t matter which one is scum.

Well only thing I wondered about is that he had Akarin as a top townread but that may have changed but suggesting that I partner with Gamma makes me think lego’s probably town.

[Harley Quinn]

we will not leave me out

I want mikan

Tinfoil hat: the purpose of shelly’s entire opening was to muscle her way into the dance with this

*takes off ranny's hat*

yes I wanna be in the dance is that a problem

survivalism is NAI

In this setup’s it’s not particularly townie, because town cares more about consensus.

[Harley Quinn]

This makes me re-evaluate. The most likely scum pair is shellyc and Ydrasse.

Scumreading two of the gents when there’s five ladies doesn’t make a lot of sense. Maybe? I’m liking Gamma more and more, so I could maybe see it? But then that sucks for us that lego paired with her but then that makes things clearer. Now that I do think about it, Akarin’s reaction to me was kind’ve weird. LHF town don’t tend to respond like that and Shelley right away stating her claim on Mikan was also odd, where as Gamma’s not really caring that much over being paired seemed townie.

I legit would have partnered with Akarin if things played out that way, but no one knew that. I think Shelly sized it up and decided that I was likely to partner with Kanna, and you didn’t seem to enthusiastic about partnering with Mikan, so Mikan might go partnerless otherwise and was therefore her best shot at getting in.

No, I just haven’t decided and he picked Kanna first anyway, so she should probably choose first, so I guess soon offers should be made with Kanna getting first pick and she made it clear she will accept you, so I think it’s all good then. But I thinksr two of the gents and setting herself to choose the only remaining available gent after that is basically chainsawing miselims. By positioning Rany and Uncrowned as scum and having Kanna and me pair them, Shelley is trying to set up a her/Mikan, Lego/Ydrasse F4, so I don’t see how her partner isn’t in the lego/Ydrasse pairing because if Shelley’s scum with one of Ydrasse/lego, scum obviously would win. She also probably spewed Gamma town by skipping him.

[Harley Quinn]

Regardless @Kanna and Harley, do you two think that I'm over thinking this being distnacing? Is there any strategic value to it, like does shelly's chances of winning increase if she pairs with me and distances succesfully? Additionally, is there any strategic value in Ranny winning if they distance succesfully?

distancing, maybe, but i don't see ranny being scum, so i don't know. i will eat my bucket postgame if it's ranny. i also think it's a mistake to let shelly dance. there isn't a flip available that is better than hers right now. if she flips scum, it gives everyone much more confidence in their townreads as well

i've been trying to think of the pairings that people will work the best in, and i think this right now

me/ranny
harley/mikan
uncrowned/gamma

any thoughts?

Regardless @Kanna and Harley, do you two think that I'm over thinking this being distnacing? Is there any strategic value to it, like does shelly's chances of winning increase if she pairs with me and distances succesfully? Additionally, is there any strategic value in Ranny winning if they distance succesfully?

What Kanna said in post #757. I think that scum!Ranny would be less likely to call her out pre-dance, I think her plan was more likely to get two pairs eliminated and get to an f4 with Ydrasee and Lego

[Harley Quinn]

Regardless @Kanna and Harley, do you two think that I'm over thinking this being distnacing? Is there any strategic value to it, like does shelly's chances of winning increase if she pairs with me and distances succesfully? Additionally, is there any strategic value in Ranny winning if they distance succesfully?

distancing, maybe, but i don't see ranny being scum, so i don't know. i will eat my bucket postgame if it's ranny. i also think it's a mistake to let shelly dance. there isn't a flip available that is better than hers right now. if she flips scum, it gives everyone much more confidence in their townreads as well

i've been trying to think of the pairings that people will work the best in, and i think this right now

me/ranny
harley/mikan
uncrowned/gamma

any thoughts?

I’m okay with this. If the solve is right, we could win this on the first elim.

[Harley Quinn]

i will eat my bucket postgame if it's ranny

go eat your hat

Very strange post to make. Only possible way you’d know that is if he were your buddy and it would be suicide to out your partner, so this degree of certainty, has to be scum wifom.

[Harley Quinn]

but yeah, shelly is not giving good vibes; her lists/reads don't add up at all

if ydrasse-legolad is already a thing
honestly why are all the gentlemen on the scumlean side

Ydrasse-Legolad
Me (Akarin)-Mikan
Harley-Uncrowned
Gamma-Ranny

Shellyc

Gamma Emerald
Legolad

Harley Quinn, Kanna

Mikan Tsukimi


Ydrasse

Rannygazoo
Uncrowned

roughly where I'm at.

Which also means, my gentlemen readslist is {legolad->mikan->ranny->unc} and ladies readslist is {shellyc->gamma->harley=kanna->ydrasse}
I ideally would leave out ydra but she's paired

Ydrasse-legolad already exists
Mikan is the gentlemen that I townread second-most so pairing that w/ myself
Harley-Uncrowned because Harley is the de-facto "hardest scumread lady" that exists rn
Ranny-Gamma because I need gamma to be paired since thats my hardest TR lady besides myself

it makes a lot more sense once you look at it that way

Shelley claimed to know who I am, which means she has to be scum because if she does, she knows I’m town here.

[Harley Quinn]

a bucket isnt a hat for a very good reason

harley quinn is tentatively town because I know who that main is but harley is largely confbiased

i would actually like people to explain their scumreads on me for once

In 765, you said I was scum, now you think I’m town? What changed from last night to this morning?

[Harley Quinn]

hardest scumread lady is literally 4th townread overall

So now you’re saying it’s Gamma? Are you planning to explain any of this?

[Harley Quinn]

have you ever actually read me correctly harley?

I repeat, (joint with kanna) hardest scumread lady = 4th townread overall

I think kanna is actually a tad lower for me atm

You’re not seriously suggesting Kanna because I’m actually familiar with her scumgame and this isn’t it. Kanna is super obvtown.

[Harley Quinn]

i didnt ever say it was gamma, gamma is my top TR

Shellyc

Gamma Emerald
Legolad

Harley Quinn
Kanna

Mikan Tsukimi


Ydrasse

Rannygazoo
Uncrowned

This list screams that Ydrasse is your buddy if you’re scum because you want me and Kanna partnered with your two bottom gents. And you know who else put me higher than Kanna? Ydrasse.

[Harley Quinn]

in an ideal universe we would have left Ydra out

ydrasse's iso is filled with commentary about the game instead of actual juicy takes or solving

If people followed your readslist, it means you/Mikan, Ydrasse/Lego get to the f4 and then you win because of parity. If you were town here, you would be wanting me or Kanna to be paired with Mikan because you know Kanna is a consensus townread and based on your readslist, we would win but instead you have us both partnered with your two bottom gents.

[Harley Quinn]

But I'm not scum

Ydrasse is already partnered with legolad and I do not want that pair to endgame ever

Your partner matching guarantees otherwise.

[Harley Quinn]

Harley you have played with me before btw, do you genuinely think I slipped due to the lists immediately upon my rep-in

I never do unfiltered scumposting

You are contradicting yourself with your readslist and partner matching. On one hand you claim you don’t want Ydrasse endgaming but you want me and Kanna paired with your two bottom gents, ensuring that happens. I’m not stupid, Shelley.

[Harley Quinn]

consensus townread != town

you are basically criticising me for... not putting a "Consensus TR" partnered with the gentleman that is towntelling the most rn?

your argument is also based off a scum!me world first and foremost, indicating that you are clearly confbiased (as you usually are; no offense)

Yes, if Mikan is your top town gent, you should want her paired with a consensus townread instead of yourself, since Akarin was never going to be a consensus top townread, so I don’t townread her interaction with me and your readslist and partner matching have done nothing to convince your slot is town.

[Harley Quinn]

You are contradicting yourself with your readslist and partner matching. On one hand you claim you don’t want Ydrasse endgaming but you want me and Kanna paired with your two bottom gents, ensuring that happens. I’m not stupid, Shelley.

Yes I am contradicting myself because its not perfect

BECAUSE OF THE VERY BIG REASON THAT YDRASSE IS PAIRED WITH LEGO

I also never wanted Kanna paired because that leaves gamma out

actually address my point in 790

Yet another thing that is scum indicative. Why wouldn’t you want Kanna paired? Kanna is everyone but yours and Ydrasse’s top townread.

But you scumread Ranny and Uncrowned more than you do Ydrasse. And have you even given valid reasons for any of that? No.

[Harley Quinn]

How would i know at the time that akarin was never going to be a consensus top TR

i did not read any of akarins posts

So you’ve read enough to have strong opinions about everyone else but Akarin but you somehow don’t know that most players wanted her not to be paired?

[Harley Quinn]

Shelly rolled scum in a dance game again

Shelly rolled scum in a dance game again...

also ftr i’m not Doing a whole lot but i’ve already tried the “fluff only strategy” in a scum game and lost and i’m not gonna try it again with someone who was in that game let alone pair with them and hope they don’t leave me when the entire game wants it

Shelley is has set it up with her partner matching to ensure you and her endgame. Shelley will try to get the respective pairs with Ranny and Uncrowned eliminated first.

[Harley Quinn]

Leave dance

I'm pissed

Ranny is scum for the way he was pushing me, incongruence of leaving out gamma -> townreading gamma
Uncrowned is scum for lack of strong, exciting takes, bad fluff-content ratio
Ydrasse is scum for not doing a whole lot, lack of solving, read on my slot is based off "sympathetic reasons" which is very forced

Mafia win at Parity - or when the deadline for Dance runs out prior to their elimination.

Dance partners may leave by bolding Leave Dance

You can’t leave pre-dance, you actually have to be partnered first.

[Harley Quinn]

Mayhaps i suggest this is a slightly faked reaction depending on if people can actually leave pre-dance

@mod, it isn’t possible for anyone to leave pre-dance, correct?

“Slightly faked?”

[Harley Quinn]

Harley, Kanna, Lego, Mikan, Ranny, Gamma, Uncrowned

Ydrasse, Shelley

[Harley Quinn]

Oh, I've missed more than I thought. I'll be back later to properly read the remaining 9 pages. For now, I have many swords and great axes to sharpen - I have a side hustle as a blacksmith.

(Greetings, shelly)

Harley, Kanna, Lego, Mikan, Ranny, Gamma, Uncrowned

Ydrasse, Shelley

You think the Ydrasse/shelly interactions are scum theatre?

That’s what it looked like to me because Shelley had Ranny and Uncrowned at the bottom and Ydrasse higher, so it’s either that or Shelley’s setting her up but I didn’t believe Ydrasse either. The whole thing read fake to me. Shelley’s almost certainly scum here in any case and probably with Ydrasse based on reads, partner matching and that exchange which didn’t read genuine to me.

[Harley Quinn]

I think scumread are mor likely to fake they have an open mind while scum are more likely to dislike it because they know your strongest scumread is wrong.

Oh Poseidon, this should say:

"scum are more likely to fake they have an open mind while town are more likely to OMGUS or just dislike it because they know your strongest scumread is wrong"

I actually think that’s NAI. I’ve seen both town and scum OMGUS and both town and scum have an open mind. I suppose it depends how you mean it. If you mean town is more likely to hard shut down a scumread on them, then I’d agree but I don’t agree that town automatically OMGUSES unless they think the scumread wasn’t made in good faith. Like I once said in a game to a player, “I’m really glad we didn’t mislynch you” and scum then tried to unsuccessfully drive a miselim on me by claiming I was scum tmiing them and like Akarin, refusing to to back down on her expressed suspicions of me for my activity suspicions, eventhough I admitted it was unfair of me and immediately recanted it, was seriously weird if she’s actually town here. I very much doubt Shrlley/Akarin is.

[Harley Quinn]

My motivation for this is starting to die a little honestly, with all the talk of we can't let Lego/Ydrasse touch final 4 because Ydrasse is a little off-meta, it's wrecking my morale and WIM with a sledgehammer. Like, do I really want to effort this if we're just going to be pushed out first thing after predance? It makes me not want to try as much as I normally would.

I'd ask people to stop setting final 4 and sunset pairs in stone during predance, see how people act and how towny they are for the rest of the game and then decide then. I'll also try and solve Ydrasse as best as I can in the dance PT and report back with results. Keep an open mind please, Kanna and co! At least for my sanity.

I understand and I wish you had waited because I think you’re very likely town and you would very unlikely not be at risk of being voted out if you had paired with anyone else save of course Shelley.

[Harley Quinn]

Mikan had a very anti-narrative set of pairing preferences.

Why do people always act like it should be inconceivable to townread someone who suspects you?

Why aren’t you confronting Kanna on her read of you? Instead you just said you tr her for getting how you feel? I don’t understand why you’d think someone scumreading you is getting how you feel? I would think that’s the exact opposite of that.

Yeah, this is a very good point. Akarin being very understanding to the people scumreading her is worrisome. Anti-OMGUS is actually a scumtell.

Yes, when it is to that extent. Perhaps that’s why I rattled her so much? She knew she didn’t have townie motivated response to that.

[Harley Quinn]

Regardless @Kanna and Harley, do you two think that I'm over thinking this being distnacing? Is there any strategic value to it, like does shelly's chances of winning increase if she pairs with me and distances succesfully? Additionally, is there any strategic value in Ranny winning if they distance succesfully?

distancing, maybe, but i don't see ranny being scum, so i don't know. i will eat my bucket postgame if it's ranny. i also think it's a mistake to let shelly dance. there isn't a flip available that is better than hers right now. if she flips scum, it gives everyone much more confidence in their townreads as well

i've been trying to think of the pairings that people will work the best in, and i think this right now

me/ranny
harley/mikan
uncrowned/gamma

any thoughts?

These are about the pairs I can see rn myself, so they work for me

I’m fine with either Mikan or Uncrowned.

[Harley Quinn]

i didnt ever say it was gamma, gamma is my top TR

Shellyc

Gamma Emerald
Legolad

Harley Quinn
Kanna

Mikan Tsukimi


Ydrasse

Rannygazoo
Uncrowned

in an ideal universe we would have left Ydra out

ydrasse's iso is filled with commentary about the game instead of actual juicy takes or solving

Okay maybe Shelly/Ydrasse is S/S?
If Shelly makes it past pre-dance watch her read progression

I would prefer that didn’t happen. I hard scumread that slot.

[Harley Quinn]

VOTE: Uncrowned

You can’t vote pre-dance.

[Harley Quinn]

there is ~10(!) hours until the ball starts! harley please accept quickly, and i strongly suggest we make shelly go to the grocery store

Alright, which one? You still want Mikan and Lego wants Uncrowned.

[Harley Quinn]

there is ~10(!) hours until the ball starts! harley please accept quickly, and i strongly suggest we make shelly go to the grocery store

Alright, which one? You still want Mikan and Lego wants Uncrowned.

And I hard agree on Shelley. I think Shelley may be trying to set Gamma up as her buddy, so Ydrasse makes it to the f4. Gamma is a very unlikely Shelley buddy, since she completely initially completely forgot about him in her pairings/ readslist.

Gamma has a really positive upbeat vibe and isn’t being weird here which is a common scumtell for him. I think he’s town here.

[Harley Quinn]

Deadline for Pre-Dance in (expired on 2020-12-16 01:17:33)

Noone is dancing!

Someone also should propose to Gamma. He should not be left out.

@Kanna? @Lego? Mikan or Uncrowned?

[Harley Quinn]

there is ~10(!) hours until the ball starts! harley please accept quickly, and i strongly suggest we make shelly go to the grocery store

Alright, which one? You still want Mikan and Lego wants Uncrowned.

Mikan said earlier she won’t pair with Gamma. I don’t know if she’s changed her mind, but you might pick Mikan to minimize the whining.

@Mikan are you still settled on this because this forces mt hand since I absolutely think Gamma ought to be paired but will Uncrowned propose to Gamma?

Gamma is never a Shelley buddy here, eventhough it looks to me that he’s likely being set up as one.

[Harley Quinn]

Mikan and Uncrowned, both town.

[Harley Quinn]

ranny/kanna
gamma/mikan
uncrowned/harley

the gamma/mikan one has the best chance to hit 2/2 fmpov if scum do s/s

also fwiw i think people should remember that s/s are probably kinda viable in this setup

since they have to power through less elims + get to f4 etc etc

Interesting. Shelley hard trs both Mikan and Gamma where as Ydrasee hard srs both of them. Fascinating.

[Harley Quinn]

I had to pair harley w/ unc because I would never pair my strongestTR!gamma w/ unc

[Harley Quinn]

its not gamma

i will explain when I'm actually free to explain and not phoneposting

Because you probably know his alignment?

[Harley Quinn]

Legolad is confbiased on town!ydrasse i think

unc/ydrasse seems a tad more likely than the other options I'm considering atm

ydrasse's trajectory on ranny is quite in-depth and doesn't seem s/s

ranny/unc would require unc hardbussing ranny from their entrance

ranny/kanna
gamma/mikan
uncrowned/harley

the gamma/mikan one has the best chance to hit 2/2 fmpov if scum do s/s

Hmmm

[Harley Quinn]

Both Shelley and Ydrasse want me paired with Uncrowned. That can’t be coincidence, right?

[Harley Quinn]

Is it bad I'm not even sure who I want left out of shelly/Gamma? They both seem equally likely to flip scum in my eyes. Hopefully shelly answering my questions will help one way or another.

Oh, shelly hard townreading Gamma who is her candidate in staying in the dance is very strange if she's scum admittedly. It's the classic Pooky-suicidal-WIFOM strat. Is shelly scum or has she learnt a thing or two from him, hm...

If Shelley flips scum, she’s probably setting up Gamma as a frame. She left him out of her original pairings because she was so hard tr him, she forgot to add him.

[Harley Quinn]

What do you think it means?

I’m not exactly sure and I’m wondering if my decision should be based on that? Are they trying to get me to accept Uncrowned or wifom me against it? Ftr, I hard town read both of them and I do think it’s Shelley/Ydrasse.

However, if Mikan refuses to propose to Gamma and I choose Uncrowned, then both of them will get left out of the dance and I think all three are town.

If both Mikan and Gamma get left out, that makes it easier for scum!Ydrasse to get to the f4. Ditto if Uncrowned refuses to propose to him. I think that’s probably what Shelley wants by hardpushing Gamma as her strongest townread. She wants Gamma left out.

[Harley Quinn]

ranny/kanna
gamma/mikan
uncrowned/harley

the gamma/mikan one has the best chance to hit 2/2 fmpov if scum do s/s

Ydrasse wants to paranoia us on both Mikan and Gamma.

[Harley Quinn]

Kanna and me are mindmelding on a Shelley/Ydrasse scumteam. There’s a damn good reason for that.

[Harley Quinn]

Oh, I've missed more than I thought. I'll be back later to properly read the remaining 9 pages. For now, I have many swords and great axes to sharpen - I have a side hustle as a blacksmith.

(Greetings, shelly)

Harley, Kanna, Lego, Mikan, Ranny, Gamma, Uncrowned

Ydrasse, Shelley

You think the Ydrasse/shelly interactions are scum theatre?

That’s what it looked like to me because Shelley had Ranny and Uncrowned at the bottom and Ydrasse higher, so it’s either that or Shelley’s setting her up but I didn’t believe Ydrasse either. The whole thing read fake to me. Shelley’s almost certainly scum here in any case and probably with Ydrasse based on reads, partner matching and that exchange which didn’t read genuine to me.

i agree with the above. it felt... strange.

like a last ditch distancing attempt, maybe

+1

[Harley Quinn]

my strongest scumread is actually ydrasse; here's the scumgame i mentioned earlier. ignore the full first half, but the second half is what i would describe as "floating about". this surely isn't ydrasse's best performance, but i think she's more likely to completely lose touch with the gamestate as scum. i'd like to leave her unpaired if i were heartless and going against fun wincons and friendship.

I clicked that link and I agree with Kanna that this is likely scum!Ydrasse based on this. I also thought Shelley/Ydrasse interactions were fairly obvious scum theatre. Ydrasse really doesn’t seem all that upset at Shelley’s hard scumread on her and vice-versa. When scum is hardpushed by a buddy, they react extremely differently when they are pushed by town and neither is reacting to the respective pushes like a townie would.

[Harley Quinn]

lego, you know shelly, don't you? what do you think of her?

i think she's just very scummy from the beginning because i don't see how anyone can digest content + produce a readlist + be passionate about it that fast. it feels a lot like she read for gamestate, then made it up. her readlist is very destructive like harley pointed out, and the "i want to get paired" followed by "do wolves ever openwolf like that" gives all sorts of bad feels.

she also said buckets don't make good hats and that's mean

also sorry, but i kinda townread uncrowned/gamma for good takes and playing similar to council, so my solve goes back to ydrasse/shelly every time. feel free to poke holes in my posts :c

+1

[Harley Quinn]

Ydrasse is a wildcard which I hope to solve better in time. What'd you think of her recentish posts? I think they're an improvement.

...i must not say anything i must not say anything...

you mean with the interaction with shelly? i thought it sounded weird in a scummy way. did it not come across that way to you?

It’s like me and Kanna are of the same mind here.

[Harley Quinn]

With 6 hours left, I’m getting the sense that whichever one out of Mikan/Uncrowned I don’t pick gets left out with Gamma and that isn’t to our advantage. :/

One of Mikan/Uncrowned needs to propose to Gamma and he accept in the next 6 1/2 hours. It’s just that we have three less votes to elim scum!Ydrasse, if this doesn’t happen.

[Harley Quinn]

My main concern is that Lego is wrongly reading both Gamma and especially Mikan and perhaps has blinders on when it comes to Ydrasse in this game, which I can understand considered he’s partnered with her. If Lego was on the same page with Kanna, my decision would be really easy, especially if one of Mikan/Uncrowned don’t pick Gamma and two out of the three of them don’t get to dance.

So where I’m at is, based off of Uncrowned being more likely to pick Gamma than Mikan, I should logically pick Mikan but because of neither proposing to Gamma yet and Lego more confidently townreading Uncrowned over Mikan, I should probably pick Uncrowned if he doesn’t propose to Gamma and he accept in the next 6 hours.

If whichever of Uncrowned/Mikan I don’t pick gets left out with Gamma, then having Lego confidently townread my partner is even more important, .

So, if I pick Mikan with me and Kanna obviously voting out Ydrasse, how do the votes go if Lego is paranoing on Mikan over Uncrowned?

So possibly two votes Mikan vs two votes Ydrasse, then it’s up to Ranny to decide whether he scumreads Ydrasse more than Mikan but otoh if I pick Uncrowned, then it’s probably one vote Uncrowned to one vote Mikan and perhaps Ranny is more likely to vote out Ydrasse in that case?

So, what I think I should do is wait to see if Uncrowned and Gamma get online before deadline and make a pairing, which in that case I’ll most probably pick Mikan but unless we can all get Lego to realize that Mikan is very obviously town here and Ydrasse very obviously scum, it’s probably safer I pick Uncrowned in that case.

So, if Uncrowned and Gamma don’t pair up very soon,or if we can’t get Lego to see the obvious, then I’ll have to pick Uncrowned, so I’ll wait a few hours to see if Uncrowned/Gamma pair or Lego realizes that Kanna and me are likely right about it being Shelley/Ydrasse or not.

[Harley Quinn]

the deadline in the second post is accurate, there was an extension for the replacement

Deadline for Pre-Dance in (expired on 2020-12-16 05:17:33)

Oh thank God, this is really good news.

[Harley Quinn]

the deadline in the second post is accurate, there was an extension for the replacement

Deadline for Pre-Dance in (expired on 2020-12-16 05:17:33)

Oh thank God, this is really good news.

[Harley Quinn]

you’re going to look very silly when i flip town

So who is scum then and why did your interactions with Shelley not feel convincing to me?

[Harley Quinn]

I hard townread both Mikan and Uncrowned and I don’t think scum!Shelley pushes Gamma as her strongest townread when she forgot to initially include him in her dance pairings list. But maybe Kanna’s right anyway because we can both see that Mikan and Uncrowned are obvtown here, so maybe it really doesn’t matter that much who I pick?

I admit there’s a slight chance I could possibly be wrong on Ydrasse/Gamma but not on Mikan/Uncrowned. Both of them are bleeding obvtown.

100% we’re looking at two scum ladies and it’s either Shelley/Ydrasee or Shelley/Gamma. The solve is in either of those pairings.

[Harley Quinn]

I hard townread both Mikan and Uncrowned and I don’t think scum!Shelley pushes Gamma as her strongest townread when she forgot to initially include him in her dance pairings list. But maybe Kanna’s right anyway because we can both see that Mikan and Uncrowned are obvtown here, so maybe it really doesn’t matter that much who I pick?

I admit there’s a slight chance I could possibly be wrong on Ydrasse/Gamma but not on Mikan/Uncrowned. Both of them are bleeding obvtown.

100% we’re looking at two scum ladies and it’s either Shelley/Ydrasee or Shelley/Gamma. The solve is in either of those pairings.

Very unlikely chance of Ydrasse/Gzmma.

[Harley Quinn]

Mikan can't be left out, she's a gentlemen.

She can simply choose not to extend more proposals. I hate to say it but it’s town-indicative that she’s willing to do that. Scum doesn’t need to suicide gambit when there’s an easy way out.

Accept Mikan

Sorry Uncrowned, you’re super obvtown too, please propose to Gamma. @Lego sorry but I’m not feeling town!Ydrasse here. Town!Ydrasse has strong convictions which I don’t feel we’re seeing. I also think this is town!Gamma because he feels so relaxed and casual. Don’t you think scum!Gamma would be panicking at this point if he was scum with Shelley? Unless he’s scum with Ydrasse, his calmness makes no sense here,

[Harley Quinn]

you’re going to look very silly when i flip town

Why did you quote this? What happened to your Ydrasse scumread?

Gamma is town from the way he’s approaching the wagons. He had no idea if I’d accept Mikan or Uncrowned and he’d be left out had I paired with Uncrowned. No way does scum!Gamma be this chill here.

[Harley Quinn]

I'd probably be panicking as scum with ydrasse as well
her town equity is pretty low atm I think, she rarely makes endgame imo

Yeah but scum!you would have been making way more of an effort to push me on Mikan. Or you’d probably be as deflated as Akarin was at the prospect of not being chosen.

And you’re not trying to really influence the wagons which means you really don’t care about endgaming. I also didn’t like that both Shelley and Ydrasse were pushing me on Uncrowned. Anyway, I hope Uncrowned listens to me and Kanna and picks you.

[Harley Quinn]

Pre-Dance Results:

(ღ˘⌣˘ღ)Dancing:

Ydrasse - Legolad
Kanna - Ranny
Mikan - Harley Quinn
Uncrowned - Gamma Emerald

ShellyC has left the dance. She was aligned with

Spoiler:

The Mafia

The Main Dance has begun!

Aha! knew it.

[Harley Quinn]

Ydrasse I've been historically really good at reading Harley.
If they're scum I'm just going to flat out just give them the win.

I would rather lose to Harley than lose to Ranny so.....

You’re not going to lose because I’m town. You still scumread Ranny?

[Harley Quinn]

yeah? i like, this is one of those things where i feel like /ethically/ she can’t be scum but i have to wonder since i don’t get that jarringly townfeel from her

Why not? How am I different here from any other game you’re aware of?

[Harley Quinn]

Ydrasse I've been historically really good at reading Harley.
If they're scum I'm just going to flat out just give them the win.

I would rather lose to Harley than lose to Ranny so.....

You’re not going to lose because I’m town. You still scumread Ranny?

I always eliminate that pair over you in F4

Well if we even get to the f4, you and Kanna are never scum but I’m not getting good vibes from Ydrasse opening the dance with seeingly trying to shade me. I think town!Ydrasse would just be annoyed that she was being wrongly scumread, so slightly pinged by this.

[Harley Quinn]

you just don’t feel as towny as you do in other games fmpov, like usually i feel like i can clock you as it early on? idk

Do you have actual reasons because every post so far shading me is just about how I FEEL less town to you? You haven’t yet given any reasons.

[Harley Quinn]

like why even be defensive about this when i’m committed to leaving after gamma/uncrowned? what can i be setting you up for if i’m scum rn?

I’m asking for reasons. How is that “defensive”?

[Harley Quinn]

also it's just kind of ridonkulous the amount of shade ydrasse is dishing out this phase when harley is literally conftown for the akarin rep out, and i never call my partner out like that that early and focus on them the whole game. that would me majorly unfun for me.

It's very town-indicative. The last thing scum!Ydrasse wants to do in this position is make

more

enemies. There's absolutely no reason for her to talk about her doubts in Kanna/Harley being town right now unless those are genuine thoughts.

I honestly don’t know what you’re smoking but I don’t believe Ydrasse actually believes what she said about me. Also saying said players doesn’t feel like their townself is something really easy for scum to do and how is it town indicative to accuse me of being “defensive” when I asked for reasons? Am I supposed to say what exactly in response to that?

[Harley Quinn]

like, yeah maybe i should have ~tried~ more than rp but it's frustrating watching everyone tunnel in on this and not like... do anything else LOL

like fmpov it's very obvious that every single thing i'm doing here is counter-intuitive to a scum win, doubly so given that i'd have to be remaining scum. like my god, i've already offered you my head on a platter and you still won't even take into account what i'm saying

Ydrasse you haven’t even given a single example to back up anything you’re accusing me of and have you or Lego even given a single reason for voting Gamma/Uncrowned?

[Harley Quinn]

Spoiler:

I don't see how it could be uncrowned or Gamma.

1. When shelly entered, she was competing with Gamma (and to a lesser extent, HQ) to get in the dance. She wouldn't have made such a big, desperate push if they were teammates. Leaving her townread Gamma out of the pairs was a slip that exposed Gamma as town.
   
   
2. Uncrowned is too similar to me, and I can't sr him unless I sr myself. (Just one scum left, though.) In particular, I was the first to question shelly's motives, but uncrowned was first to call out her inconsistent pairs and reads. Scum doesn't just shut down buddy who's trying hard like that.

   wtf is this entrance?
   
   you leave your top TR unpaired and your top SR paired with your 3rd top tr?

3. Let's keep going! Mikan is town because shelly's entrance was directed at Mikan. Completely unnecessary for teammates.
   
   
4. Harley is town because that whole misunderstanding with Akarin wouldn't have happened if they were on the same team.
   
   
5. Kanna is town. No one except shelly has come close to disagreeing.
   
   
6. I don't feel a need to defend myself. Everyone knows and has admitted I'm town except for Mikan, who is just salty that I stole away her bestie.

That leaves just one pair. All wrapped up and tied in a bow.

This is the post Ranny was referring to.

[Harley Quinn]

like the only person im really scared of being scum outside of us 4 is probably mikan but I just think the solve is here tbh

Yeah, I will be legit shocked if the game doesn’t end after Ydrasse, Lego leave get voted out. I didn’t scumread Ydrasse until those interactions with Shelley. I just didn’t believe them on either side. Her reaction to Shelley calling her scum is very different then how she reacted to me. She really didn’t seem particularly upset by it, so tell me why wouldn’t town!Ydrasse be annoyed by Shelley calling her scum?

[Harley Quinn]

so should one of gamma or myself leave and then force ydrasse to hold up her end of the bargain or

Even if Ydrasse doesn't hold up her end of the bargain, I promise to leave on my fisherman's honour. You have my word, Hatless Man.

Gamma is my best read for scum for the record.

Then why did Shelly suggest leaving him out of the pairs? Why did Shelly make an aggressive push to be partnered with Mikan and leave Gamma out? Why did Shelly the famous busser say Gamma was her strongest townread?

I think it was a frame up. Shelley wanted us to scumread Gamma post flip. If Gamma’s Shelley’s buddy, then he was super weirdly chill about possibly being left out of the dance which was a real possibility. You would think scum!Gamma would at least put in a little more effort into trying to manipulate me into pairing with Mikan over Uncrowned.

[Harley Quinn]

Kanna and Ranny have left the dance.

They were both aligned with the

Town

Votecount is reset.

With six players dancing it will require four votes to ask a couple to leave.

Spoiler: Kanna and Ranny 2.0

They had danced for barely an hour but he felt like he had touched her soul,

She looked at him with eyes that spoke of a deeper truth,

He led her across the dance floor towards the bar,

The bartender had their champagne ready as the exhausted couple sat down.

He had a proposal for her.

"We could leave all this behind, be on my yacht in Majorca by sunset.."

"I will feed you grapes, strawberries and cherries fresh from the local farm."

"We can swim with dolphins and watch the stars come out at night"

"But you don't even know my name."

He reached across to her and touched her gently on her chin,

His eyes spoke of things she could not know,

His voice gentle as silk but as firm as iron.

"Darling, I know your soul".

They walked away from the dance floor to begin something new.

What in the actual fuck? Why?

[Harley Quinn]

You’ve got to be kidding me. Strike one, town. Ydrasse, continue.

Kanna what happened in your PT? I guess well find out post-game.