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Post #24 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:40 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 16, Rockhopper wrote:unless I'm mistaken, the 1v1 between the shady and the one who they claim is the goon should be resolved first to reach our wincon.
I thought initially it's better to lynch into the pool first and then lynch into the dichotomy the next day, but I don't 100% remember.
But because of the no mislynch two days in a row rule I think this is the option that gives us the most room, although I could have calculated it wrong.
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Post #27 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:44 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
Yeah, I think it's definitely better to aim for the pool first.
In the world where we lynch correctly into the shady dichotomy but are having more trouble finding the traitor, it helps us to try and split up the days where we're traitor hunting as much as possible.
If we lynch incorrectly into the shady dichotomy we lose anyway so we might as well assume we get it correct for that purpose.
This post makes me not want to elim mini today for obvious reasons.
Btw Mini is ur recovery coming along well?
My heart goes out to u and I hope u haz a speedy recovery!
This post makes me not want to elim mini today for obvious reasons.
Btw Mini is ur recovery coming along well?
My heart goes out to u and I hope u haz a speedy recovery!
-nornor
What do you think are the obvious reasons?
Well I was assuming that she would get cc'ed if her claim were fake and she was a goon so I believe the claim unless she gets cc'ed.
Dislike the vt claim on page 1 like .... dude chill.
-nronor
Everyone is VT aside from flagbearer who doesn't even know that they are a flagbearer
Who do you think is the goon?
The first time I didn't understand what you said.
The second time I also didn't.
But the THIRD time, oh boy I felt ENLIGHTENED.
I love making fun of people's wifi.
In post 68, Vanderscamp wrote:Mom and mega are actually the two scummiest people in the thread for me at this point.
It seems to be the consensus atm but im not understanding it. Am I reading the setup wrong or something?
In post 37, Ythan wrote:Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?
Honestly it could be anyone that’s the scary thought
I think I like this for town
Why would town!shady lie about who the goon is?
Don't go aligning mislynches now. I see a few town and scum motivations for what he did. What makes you think I would answer them when a posed a similar question to Ythan that has yet to be answered
In post 68, Vanderscamp wrote:Mom and mega are actually the two scummiest people in the thread for me at this point.
Hah. Hahaha.
Have you even read so far? I mean if you have, I guess I'll entertain this... What would be the point in scummini bussing so soon? Especially when he has the option to win today?
In post 69, Facebones wrote:This is a lot to try and wrap my head around
My brain isn't used to so much thinking, holy shit
Agree with cakes on this post. There's nothing really there. Can't even really call it IIOA, ATE or anything
I don't think you are both scum, I think you are both independently scummy.
In post 75, Noraas Bakery wrote:Well I was assuming that she would get cc'ed if her claim were fake and she was a goon so I believe the claim unless she gets cc'ed.
Huh??? This makes no sense to me please explain how when announced in the beginning of the game that by the mod I’m the shady that I can be cc’ed.
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Post #129 (isolation #20) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:10 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 125, Facebones wrote:It's just a thank you post because I obviously had no idea about the point of the set up or how it worked. If Ythan hadn't told me what it was, I'd more than likely still be standing in the corner with drool coming out of my mouth. He's the real MVP.
Why? What else would it be? What are you implying? Huh?
Wait, were you being serious?
That's a real question because I thought you were being sarcastic
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Post #156 (isolation #21) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:30 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
@Flea
By "pool" I meant the pool of people outside of the dichotomy, that's the group I want to lynch into today.
I don't remember why I read Mom as scummy, I no longer think this is the case. I think and thought Mini is scummy because they've done literally nothing at all other than give level 0 mechanical insights.
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Post #157 (isolation #22) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:33 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
VOTE: Facebones
I don't feel strongly about this, I feel (relatively) quite strongly that Mom is the good one in the dichotomy.
The only real thing I have on the non-dichotomy people is that nor seems unlikely to be with Mini, who I do think is evil.
Otherwise I think I actually would have voted nor here.
In post 16, Rockhopper wrote:unless I'm mistaken, the 1v1 between the shady and the one who they claim is the goon should be resolved first to reach our wincon.
I thought initially it's better to lynch into the pool first and then lynch into the dichotomy the next day, but I don't 100% remember.
But because of the no mislynch two days in a row rule I think this is the option that gives us the most room, although I could have calculated it wrong.
In post 115, Momrangal wrote:Are people going to finally talk about the elephants in the room
Dunno, are you? Elaborate for me.
Have fun
No reason, just thought it would spark some discussion
@Rockhopper: how did you get that from 104 though?
He's expressing a paranoid theory that mom gets ganked and dies as town, I don't get how you read that as a scum read.
You've assumed my list is my suspicions and asked to be added to it, you're now refusing to co-operate and not contributing to the game, soooooooo (☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞ Vote Time
I don't understand what you're doing?...
The reason Ythan wanted to be on your list was because they thought it was a list of people who suspect you, and ythan said this immediately.
You're the one who is refusing to cooperate in this exchange by not acknowledging Ythan's very obvious rationale.
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Post #257 (isolation #30) » Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:33 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 255, Momrangal wrote:Mmm... I think my current playground is Nora/vander
Nora had a post earlier where they seemed to genuinely think Mini was an IC, which did not sound like the two of them were partners.
This is my reason for not wanting to lynch Nora, since I believe Mini actually is the scum, and from your perspective you know it for sure.
Were you not sold on that post being legitimate?
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Post #261 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:50 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 258, Momrangal wrote:In the same vein, Flea should also be town and facebones and rock hopper both played those roles as well.
By POE that would leave you and Ythan as scum, and Ythan scum doesn't make sense to me because how he's approached the game.
The more probable conclusion would be that one or more of those those four who didn't know what was going on had overplayed it, and Nora took it to another level compared to the rest of them
I'm not reading them town just because of being confused, it's specifically the thing that, if real, implies they're not scum with Mini.
I think it's possible one of the other players is scum with Mini and was genuinely confused about the set up because they didn't say anything to preclude them being together.
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Post #262 (isolation #32) » Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:54 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
Also, can you explain why Ythan being scum wouldn't make sense?
Because while I agree they've seemed pretty towny, I haven't seen anything that I would consider nonsensical scum play.
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Post #286 (isolation #34) » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:41 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 279, Noraas Bakery wrote:halfway caught up. is there some reason people think mom or mini are town? I don't really lean either way on either anymore.
there's a lot of things that are bothering me from both and they can't both be scum.
Like Mini doesn't come in and say "Mom is scum" Mini just dances around this wagon and its like ... HUH.
And then Mom is not like convinced Mini is scum. It's like .... if ur town, and the shady is shading u, they should be like confscum from ur perspective, right?!
The setup is confusing me so bad cuz neither of them is acting the way I would expect them to if they're town in their situation. I still feel like I'm misreading the setup cuz nothing is making sense. Like neither person seems convinced the other is scum and that's just like ... weird as hell?
Mom's reasoning for TRing/TLing people are just like one sentence that basically just says "these people are towny"
I'm not liking what I see from mom tho I admit the SR on me has something to do with my dislike.
Mini never really called Mom scum and that's just strange as hell.
-nornor
I read Mom as town because I think Mini is extremely scummy.
Mini has literally not contributed a single original thought, perspective, or read for the entire duration of the game.
Mom is at least saying stuff other than "I'm voting the person I know to be scum."
I think Mom's slot could for sure be scum from how they've played, but I am never going to side with someone who is doing as little for town as what Mini is doing.
In post 281, Momrangal wrote:Pedit: the game state decided collectively to leave shady and his target for D2 and nabbing the traitor and finding the goon for d1
To be clear if we hit scum today I think we should keep eliminating outside the 1v1 until we miss.
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Post #291 (isolation #37) » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:10 am
Postby Vanderscamp »
Day ends in 13 hours apparently.
Thanks for the warning!
Can we get a lynch then?
I'll self vote if for some unknown reason people are super averse to killing facebones, it's imo super important we actually kill someone today rather than not getting anything.
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Post #311 (isolation #39) » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:58 am
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 309, Ythan wrote:Hm this is nightless what's even gonna happen if we nl.
I was going to say we get one of the two days we need to lose, but according to the win conditions that's not quite true: "Town eliminated twice in a row. Mafia wins"
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Post #333 (isolation #41) » Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:05 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
Mini/Mini's replacement, I plan on voting you after you have more time to talk.
It's disappointing that Mini is replacing out after a full game day of being here but providing no content.
In post 333, Vanderscamp wrote:Mini/Mini's replacement, I plan on voting you after you have more time to talk.
It's disappointing that Mini is replacing out after a full game day of being here but providing no content.
Why do you say this like you plan to vote for me no matter what I say?
My current plan is to vote you unless you say something to change my mind.
You definitely could change my mind!
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Post #353 (isolation #43) » Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:16 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 338, mary44 wrote:I think the best way to play this is probably convince you all momrangal is scum
I'll try and point out why she is in all of her glory
In post 11, Momrangal wrote:I can sit and wait until he decides to vote the real goon though
That, or get lynched either or.
It's not normal for a town VT to react like this. If you're being accused of being scum you're just going to assume the other person is the mafia shady
Momrangal shouldn't be considering mini is town here at all, it's like she's trying to look too open/uninformed about it because she thinks town would keep an open mind, but they wouldn't... they would just assume like I said
it's over the top basically
I completely agree with this btw, I had the same reaction to mom's post as you're talking about.
My problem with the dichotomy, if you're town, is that I think your previous slot was very scummy.
DK you have thoughts on why your previous slot was towny, or why they would play that way as town?
In post 59, Ythan wrote:Eh I think it's nai? Idk. There it is though make up your own mind.
I think it's maybe towny.
In post 68, Vanderscamp wrote:Mom and mega are actually the two scummiest people in the thread for me at this point.
Saying it's maybe towny and then quickly clarifying he finds Momrangal as one of the scummiest players is a lil suspicious here
like he was afraid of potentially defending her in the first post and that looking bad later so felt the need to clarify he actually finds her scummy
I thought that post was mildly towny, but Mom's opening post was a lot scummier than that post was towny.
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Post #355 (isolation #45) » Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:23 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 351, mary44 wrote:ok pausing catchup here
i gotta get sleep and stuff
i'm really excited to play this and show you all momrangal is scum!!
having a free cop guilty from the start of the game feels amazing
In post 115, Momrangal wrote:Are people going to finally talk about the elephants in the room
I'd imagine it would have been the stuff your previous slot was saying.
As I've said, I am mostly reading Mini as very scummy rather than Mom as towny.
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Post #392 (isolation #49) » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:36 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 374, Ythan wrote:We do the 1v1 today. I don't think our odds of hitting scum outside the 1v1 are better than 50/50 and if we miss today we lose.
And if we get the 50/50 wrong, we lose, so we might as well do it on a day we would lose anyway.
rockhopper siding with momrangal is obviously very beneficial to him if he's scum but i actually don't think scum vote together so obviously like this
like it would make sense if it was to vote mini out cause that ends the game
but if it's on another townie then they'll just look sus for the next day when the game isn't over
i think this makes rock slightly more likely to be town
I disagree I think scum have no idea what they're doing this game
still not interested in elimming the Shady
I like mary44's posting and am down to yeet Mom. Noraa concurs.
I feel decent townbinning Vanderscamp also
-cake
@cake:
The big problem with not lynching into the dichotomy today is that we need to make sure we lynch correctly today, and a 50/50 is better than the odds of lynching into the non-dichotomy pool.
Additionally, if Mom is scum and there's only one other scum in the game, we'll win if we lynch Mom today and mislynch someone else before his partner, but not vice versa.
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Post #407 (isolation #53) » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:47 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
Mom, can you talk about why you had Mini as only 50% scum at a point in the game when it seemed very unlikely Mini was doing a reaction test, as well as why initially, when Mini called the hit, your first response was Mini was town doing a reaction test, not that you were he flagbearer?
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Post #500 (isolation #57) » Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:13 am
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 492, JacksonVirgo wrote:Thoughts on this setup? It's my first open that I've designed and ran.
I feel it'd be WAY stronger with smaller day times.
I like it, it obviously seems pretty hard for good since it's clearly less than 50% to win with optimal lynches discounting reads.
But pro-scum setups are much more fun than pro-town setups anyway.
But I like it, would play again, or a similar set with the same theme.
In post 492, JacksonVirgo wrote:Thoughts on this setup? It's my first open that I've designed and ran.
I feel it'd be WAY stronger with smaller day times.
I like it, it obviously seems pretty hard for good since it's clearly less than 50% to win with optimal lynches discounting reads.
But pro-scum setups are much more fun than pro-town setups anyway.
But I like it, would play again, or a similar set with the same theme.
I thought it was pro-town actually. Say mini died today, we'd have one hell of a time winning. Like we'd have to get two in a row or parity(F2)
That'd be pretty hard.
Honestly, maybe making the flag bearer conftown is the way to break this hard setup cuz if mafia dies first, there will be more opportunity to lim town and two in a row isn't as difficult.
How is it pro-town?
Like, obviously, if town wins the 50/50 they need to win in order to not lose the game, it should be easier for town.
But unless it's a 100% lock for town if they win the 50/50, then the setup mathematically favors scum if they have any chance of winning after they lose the 50/50.
