Micro 988: 09:12 [Game Over]

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Whats up gamma! Whats up bugspray! Whats up everyone else!

I would like to add a supporting voice to kyoko’s general view on the game, reading the first 3 pages i think we have similar mindsets. Im gonna fos horsewoman until someone tells me i can vote because im too lazy to count

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I feel like despite not voting Super Bowl qualifies as a bandwagoner. He essentially passed the buck to Kyoko on qualifying that read.I feel like that comes from scum more often than not, really. But your response kinda seemed like you thought I was homing in on you with that, so I felt like you deserved voting. I feel like the honest thing to do was to press me on who I felt it was. I’m not dead set rn, but I think until further notice I’ll keep my vote where it’s at.

Yes I am bandwagoning. To say that blatant bandwagoning comes from scum more than town is false

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I feel like despite not voting Super Bowl qualifies as a bandwagoner. He essentially passed the buck to Kyoko on qualifying that read.I feel like that comes from scum more often than not, really. But your response kinda seemed like you thought I was homing in on you with that, so I felt like you deserved voting. I feel like the honest thing to do was to press me on who I felt it was. I’m not dead set rn, but I think until further notice I’ll keep my vote where it’s at.

Yes I am bandwagoning. To say that blatant bandwagoning comes from scum more than town is false

I think the way you dodged accountability on that is the scummy thing
you just said "yeah I agree with Kyoko". That's not exactly a stance on your part.

I'm not dodging accountability. I take and have taken full accountability on my stance, which is that I agreed with Kyoko's general thought processes and game reads in the first few pages. Not sure how you think this is "not a stance" on the game either.

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then who is the scum if it's not you? imo gamma is a lil sus

Idt gamma is scummy here, what set you off on this?

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Gamma you have a 100% scumread rate on me

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Okay upon actually reading horsewoman's ISO they were not as bad as I thought they were I remove fos. Moving on to VOTE: bugspray

pedit @gamma: ah yes "my tell works trust me bro" - and tbf one of the times you were scum, but maybe after this game consider that maybe it's just my posting style pings you or something? Because your current process is not working out very well

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I might be omgussing a bit but datisti I think you're the next stop on my scumhunt after bugspray

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I might be omgussing a bit but datisti I think you're the next stop on my scumhunt after bugspray

Why am I before him and why is he next?

You were sus first. Your reaction is cementing it a bit for me because iirc we have meta where you were scum and kinda lost it when you were wagoned. My vote's staying on you for now, so don't worry too much about the next part, but when I was reading datisti I saw some things that pinged me. I'll write up somethin about it in a little when I have more energy

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who he fuck is datisti??? ok that joke is old by now but seriously that's not my name

anyyywayyyyyy

so it didn't take too long for superbowl to notice my passive-aggressive attempts to get him to talk to me after all!!

hi superbowl! what's up!! what have i done to deserve such honour!?

Hi! I would like to ask you about some page 1 stuff but im too tired to go back in the thread, look at the posts, remember why i got pinged, etc. etc. so gimme an hour or two and we can have a fireside chat

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Also horsewoman i would like to work with you on bugspray ideally so can you tell me why (if you are) you're TRing them (or at least not SRing them)

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Okay so it was your vote switching. You've voted 4 ppl so far, 2 were RVS/Jokey but can you walk me through your progression from kyoko->me and your reads on both of us?

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^thats at dastiti btw

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Also horsewoman i would like to work with you on bugspray ideally so can you tell me why (if you are) you're TRing them (or at least not SRing them)

Im not as i said im scumreading bugspray, thats why im voting for him

Oops did not know you were voting them

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i get misgendered every fucking game.

It really is EVERY game -

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I might be omgussing a bit but datisti I think you're the next stop on my scumhunt after bugspray

Why am I before him and why is he next?

You were sus first. Your reaction is cementing it a bit for me because iirc we have

meta where you were scum and kinda lost it when you were wagoned

. My vote's staying on you for now, so don't worry too much about the next part, but when I was reading datisti I saw some things that pinged me. I'll write up somethin about it in a little when I have more energy

im not wagoned lol
where is this coming from?

You're not being wagoned but you're facing pressure. Idk if you really wanna know you can check our meta but I really despise when people say "oh in bimblebop popper mafia 17 you did XYZ therefore you're scum!" so you can say I'm wrong if you like

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I think you misunderstand me bugspray - i’m not saying you’re pulling another freakout but you had what i viewed as a quite defensive and on edge response to a push, which is the same type of mindset.

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But Superbowl is also scummy imo or like at least not Towny? Like it feels like it should be a null read but it's really not

Besides OMGUS for pushing you what have I done that you feel is scummy?

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Also viking person you can use tags - you get [post]1 instead of #1 and I will actually be able to follow what you're saying

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oof I messed that one up

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Oh i thought I responded already, I have played with bugspray when they were town and they were calmer. Again tho I'm not trying to convince you all that my meta is right, just letting you know that's what's factoring into my read

pedit: and now the snipes come -.-

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But Superbowl is also scummy imo or like at least not Towny? Like it feels like it should be a null read but it's really not

Besides OMGUS for pushing you what have I done that you feel is scummy?

I just would expect you to look townier is all. I vaguely remember a you!scum game where you just didn't look townish all game and this reminds me of it. Fwiw I don't remember what game it was

iirc that was the game you were town and some ninja pr?

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(Half assed non committal) Meta is trash. That's for both of you.

Didn't you respond to me saying meta is trash? I wholeheartedly agree

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dastiti

datisti

you're doing it on purpose, aren't you

Okay so it was your vote switching. You've voted 4 ppl so far, 2 were RVS/Jokey but can you walk me through your progression from kyoko->me and your reads on both of us?

the first two were rvs/jokey yes

my vote on kyoko was in reaction to post 20. that post pinged me because i got a feeling her read on ythan was made up out of nothing - like the way i was reading ythan and my's interaction was "don't vote me" "*votes ythan*" "lol predictable" i.e. nothing outside of rvs banter, and she started twisting it into him being suspicious and predictable which i thought was untrue

when i was later on looking at the game, i saw slime's 69, i thought that was like, if i logically look at it it's a scummy post because not adding anything to the game etc, but in my heart i don't really believe that. then i saw 73 and it *also* looked like a post that doesn't actually add anything to the game, but it also looked like it was trying to give an ~appearance~ of adding something to the game.

kyoko is my "??? i'm gut-scumreading all their posts ??? and i'll shelve this as a confusing ??? null for the time being" read
i didn't like you ignoring my ~jabs~ at you for as long as you did but that may be more annoyance than actual AI stuff, i'll decide later

back @ you, why do you think/find vote switching scummy?

also noted that there were ten billion pedits while i was typing this but i did not read any of them

I would never do that to you datasty!

This makes sense, ftr I do not think that voteswitching by itself is scummy, it can have town and scum motivations. Was just genuinely curious as to your motive, which seems positive.

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sounds like it. Did I get elim'd d1 for being scummy?

I think so? Also I'm up for that chess match

Spoiler:

1.e4

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Bugsprays read on ythan is about where im at too though atm

You're gonna need to elaborate if this is legit.

I initially read you as scummy because your posts dont lead anywhere. You are asking questions and looking busy but youre not doing anything more. But some people play that way.

And Bugspray said that where?

Huh I guess this never got answered.

The fact that you are so averse to being ignored is a towntell for me

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i'm finding ythan's ~annoyance~ (idk if that's the right word here but i'm using it) quoting posts that go unanswered gut townie

ythan, do you have any townreads?

Oh hey! 3-way townbloc anyone?

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intent to also put slime at L-1

just for being a dick (also pressure there is +EV rn)

pedit: oh great VOTE: slime collective

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I would never do that to you datasty!

This makes sense, ftr I do not think that voteswitching by itself is scummy, it can have town and scum motivations. Was just genuinely curious as to your motive, which seems positive.

but!! you said you got pinged!! i was the next scumhunting stop!! now you're saying you were just genuinely curious!! is this a *gasp* contradiction!?!?!

ok fine. i feel like i had something else to ask you but i do not remember right now, it's late

Yes I got a ping, investigated it, and it turned up good. Wouldn't it be more sus if every time I thought I saw a small scummy thing I found scum?

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Spoiler: my reads

1.e4 c6 2.Nf3

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intent to L-1 the slime collective

My gut tells me this sort of non-content is scum indicative.

I don't think this is remotely true? Like scum who have their shit together don't transparently do nothing as Slime is doing, they sort of sneakily do nothing. I don't think inactivity or a lack of contributions is alignment indicative at all. If we can't find a better lynch at the end of the day than "get rid of the guy who isn't doing anything" then sure, but we have time to find something better than that.

Hence the L-1.... not liking this chainsaw

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with the fact bugspray was just there and I have intented, TSC has 5 people against them rn

are you trying to get them to claim? Are you trying to get them to claim without actually asking them to claim? Are you trying to

lynch

them here and now?

That was a quick turnaround

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I would never do that to you datasty!

This makes sense, ftr I do not think that voteswitching by itself is scummy, it can have town and scum motivations. Was just genuinely curious as to your motive, which seems positive.

but!! you said you got pinged!! i was the next scumhunting stop!! now you're saying you were just genuinely curious!! is this a *gasp* contradiction!?!?!

ok fine. i feel like i had something else to ask you but i do not remember right now, it's late

Yes I got a ping, investigated it, and it turned up good. Wouldn't it be more sus if every time I thought I saw a small scummy thing I found scum?

i hope it is clear by my usage of sound effects and punctuation that that was not a serious +scum point for you

my brain is telling me "wow that's awfully? preemptively? defensive? scared scum???" but my gut is whispering

"being defensive is not a scumtell, you fool"

Oh I thought you were like making a half-serious point, my b

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Ok someone actually put them at l1 or I'm gonna do it

do it

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wait did i fucking say c6 because that is fucking dumb i deadass meant c5 i play the SICILIAN takeback too c5 if i can otherwise i guess d5 and we have a jank positoon

LOL thats what I figured... so c5d6? In that case I'll play d4

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Spoiler:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4
Glad mod appreciates a good caro-kann

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Just to let yall know I got burned from not policying a quickhammer last game so I will be pushing for a policy on anyone who tries it

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Yeah slime is just scum here. Not sure what they did to shake off L-1 with what seemed like intent but they should be there again. I was gonna respond to stuff but my mobile quotes werent working so ill do it when i get on my computer

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I think we are getting distracted a bunch. Tris, anime Y person, what do you see even remotely towny about slime??

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why is slime scum

Nope 17 pages in the burden of proof is on a player to provide town content, not to avoid scummy content. Again what thing even remotely towny do you see in slime's play?

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this feels opportunistic in a slimy manner. I never saw anyone posting intent to l-1 before...

This is not very out of the ordinary on this site, especially in a small game.

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Oh I thought you were like making a half-serious point, my b

no worries

by the way, i remembered what i wanted to ask you yesterday, you were scumreading bugs at the time i thought they were plainly acting townie so i'm interested in a deeper elaboration (if there is one) on that read and / or your current read on them

I already said it was a personal meta read in response to my vote, I'd probably still be pushing there if slime didn't leapfrog into my #1 scumread. I also think slime and bug's partner equity is below average so bugs gets a pass for now.

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Black is much better in creating cases that I am. There is no point in me talking about below-average opening of Gamma, the fact that his ISO contains scumreading without pushing and in overal not very deep analysis or his horrible push to our slot. I will mention it to Black and hopefully he can make a good case from it resulting into people casting VOTE: Gamma.
~Victor Hugo slime

is this not an explanation of a gamma read? (not trying to use this as an example of town)

Speaking from experience gamma kinda just always plays like this, so it's pretty easy to call that slot generally bad without showing scummy intent. It feels like a very lazy "fine here's a scumread" deflection

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Tris it almost feels like you're going out of your way to find reasons to NOT scumread slime collective - so I ask again what has townpinged you from that slot?

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Superb we vibin

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Wait is it Super Bowl or Superb Owl I thought I was being clever.

Hell some call it soup bowl so it is what you want it to be

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Tris it almost feels like you're going out of your way to find reasons to NOT scumread slime collective - so I ask again what has townpinged you from that slot?

nothing has townpinged me, i just want to make sure they're actually scum. i want to watch them some more.
although, maybe the fact that they are so nonchalant about getting yeeted is town indicative

How does derailing their wagon/focusing pressure elsewhere help accomplish that goal?

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Slime I'm having positive feelings about your last couple posts.

I agree but this is how I see it: if they were capable of posting this type of stuff earlier, why did they hold off until they were pressured?? It feels so manufactured

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not hammering is not derailing. and, i have asked some questions to try to spur some content from them. i think that just telling them to make content isn't going to work, so i asked them some specific questions.

I mean your pre-replacement would have kept the pressure on, it at least looked like they were willing to hammer. You seem to be more interested pushing elsewhere. The only reason I'm pushing you on this is because I think you are a swing vote which can make or break this wagon - do you really see horsewoman as more scummy than slime?

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why is slime scum

Nope 17 pages in the burden of proof is on a player to provide town content, not to avoid scummy content. Again what thing even remotely towny do you see in slime's play?

Wow! What a shockingly bad post. There are 7 town and 2 scum, it's obviously on the people trying to lynch someone to try and prove that that person is scum, not the opposite.

No, that’s not how this works. When you say you don’t think someone is scum, you need to have a reason for it. Sure, POE is a reason. Gut is a reason. But you can’t just simply assume people are town from the outset until they do something scummy, that would be a naive game approach.

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Slime I'm having positive feelings about your last couple posts.

I agree but this is how I see it: if they were capable of posting this type of stuff earlier, why did they hold off until they were pressured?? It feels so manufactured

I don't think it's even a scum tell to try and change your play when getting pressured. A lot of town, especially newer ones, get incredibly spooked when the votes run up on them.

Agreed, but slime does not read like lazy town who got a fire lit under their butt to me. They read like they were never interested in scum hunting from the beginning, and are now trying to manufacture stuff just to get the wagon off. I mean look at their activity now that the votes to elim them are no longer here. I know apathetic town when i see it

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why is slime scum

Nope 17 pages in the burden of proof is on a player to provide town content, not to avoid scummy content. Again what thing even remotely towny do you see in slime's play?

Wow! What a shockingly bad post. There are 7 town and 2 scum, it's obviously on the people trying to lynch someone to try and prove that that person is scum, not the opposite.

No, that’s not how this works. When you say you don’t think someone is scum, you need to have a reason for it. Sure, POE is a reason. Gut is a reason. But you can’t just simply assume people are town from the outset until they do something scummy, that would be a naive game approach.

But you can't just lynch anybody you don't have strong reasons to townread. Otherwise I'd want to lynch almost all of you.

(my only good townreads rn are datisti, tris and kyoko - but that means I want to try and sort everyone else, not lynch 5 of you)

True, but you do push them - even if you don't want an elim the only way to pressure people is to act like you want to

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I think we are getting distracted a bunch. Tris, anime Y person, what do you see even remotely towny about slime??

distracted from what? from lynching slime? that was the hot topic there - why you felt people were getting distracted from it?

Yes. At that time gamma’s vote replaced out and iirc bugspray moved off? So we essentially lost the wagon on that slot without them really doing anything productive. The whole momentum of the game was shifting away from a slime wagon, which wasn’t good.

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why is slime scum

Nope 17 pages in the burden of proof is on a player to provide town content, not to avoid scummy content. Again what thing even remotely towny do you see in slime's play?

You're understanding, burden of proof vice versa dear. It's on the rest of the town players to explain why someone is scummy not on people to prove they are town. You're literally saying the fallacy name and doing the fallacy in same post

Nah you’re wrong, if I don’t provide any content helpful to town and the game has been running for days, am I towny then in your eyes? The burden is on every player to provide towny content - that’s my first BOP point here. It follows that to have a non-scumread on a player, they must have made positive contributions to the game.

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Spoiler:

why is slime scum

Nope 17 pages in the burden of proof is on a player to provide town content, not to avoid scummy content. Again what thing even remotely towny do you see in slime's play?

You're understanding, burden of proof vice versa dear. It's on the rest of the town players to explain why someone is scummy not on people to prove they are town. You're literally saying the fallacy name and doing the fallacy in same post

Nah you’re wrong, if I don’t provide any content helpful to town and the game has been running for days, am I towny then in your eyes? The burden is on every player to provide towny content - that’s my first BOP point here. It follows that to have a non-scumread on a player, they must have made positive contributions to the game.

I didn't say you're wrong - It's correct that people should create confidence for rest that they are town by solving game BUT

I'm saying you're using "burden of proof" wrong and what you say is faulty in logic: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim and is not upon anyone else to disprove. When you say they are scum (even if you just do it with a vote) you must provide evidence for your case - it's not on them to disprove it and it's on you to prove it.

Yes lol this is what you are wrong on! You've fallen for the BOP shift that tris made here. Correct, if I'm trying to make an argument that slime is scum I have BOP. That's not what this conversation was about though - tris tried to shift the conversation to this argument and give me BOP. I responded by calling out this BOP shift and asking why slime is town, which is really what we are evaluating (the argument isn't that slime has been actively posting scummy things, but that they have been avoiding posting actively town things).

I'll put it in a manner that I think your type of mindset may understand more easily. Any

positive

claim carries with it a burden of proof. If one makes a

negative

claim, such as "unicorns do not exist", they have no burden of proof: it would fall on someone who would posit the positive claim that unicorns DO exist. My claim (and first premise towards my ultimate conclusion) is a negative one: slime has no town positive content. From this premise, combined with the premise that those who do not post actively towny content within page 17 of a game are likely to be scum, the conclusion follows that slime is likely to be scum. Instead of disputing one of these assumptions, Tris reframes the argument. Do you see how you're misinterpreting BOP here?

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Spoiler:

why is slime scum

Nope 17 pages in the burden of proof is on a player to provide town content, not to avoid scummy content. Again what thing even remotely towny do you see in slime's play?

You're understanding, burden of proof vice versa dear. It's on the rest of the town players to explain why someone is scummy not on people to prove they are town. You're literally saying the fallacy name and doing the fallacy in same post

Nah you’re wrong, if I don’t provide any content helpful to town and the game has been running for days, am I towny then in your eyes? The burden is on every player to provide towny content - that’s my first BOP point here. It follows that to have a non-scumread on a player, they must have made positive contributions to the game.

Ah yes, superbowl, the one trying to deflect from talking about elimming people
I didn't say you're wrong - It's correct that people should create confidence for rest that they are town by solving game BUT

I'm saying you're using "burden of proof" wrong and what you say is faulty in logic: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim and is not upon anyone else to disprove. When you say they are scum (even if you just do it with a vote) you must provide evidence for your case - it's not on them to disprove it and it's on you to prove it.

Yes lol this is what you are wrong on! You've fallen for the BOP shift that tris made here. Correct, if I'm trying to make an argument that slime is scum I have BOP. That's not what this conversation was about though - tris tried to shift the conversation to this argument and give me BOP. I responded by calling out this BOP shift and asking why slime is town, which is really what we are evaluating (the argument isn't that slime has been actively posting scummy things, but that they have been avoiding posting actively town things).

I'll put it in a manner that I think your type of mindset may understand more easily. Any

positive

claim carries with it a burden of proof. If one makes a

negative

claim, such as "unicorns do not exist", they have no burden of proof: it would fall on someone who would posit the positive claim that unicorns DO exist. My claim (and first premise towards my ultimate conclusion) is a negative one: slime has no town positive content. From this premise, combined with the premise that those who do not post actively towny content within page 17 of a game are likely to be scum, the conclusion follows that slime is likely to be scum. Instead of disputing one of these assumptions, Tris reframes the argument. Do you see how you're misinterpreting BOP here?

I would like to note that scum fucking love arguments about the burden of proof and theory and spending time on that rather than like, trying to lynch people. Maybe that's hypocritical coming from me because I haven't really pushed anyone for a while but I really think this is a scummy sort of vibe. At least from your side (tris has contributed a lot more to the game and for kyoko it's just her personality/style)

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Not sure how my text got deleted on that one, but you're seriously arguing that I'm not focusing on elimming someone?? that's all i've been doing for like 3 pages

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"The Slime Collective is scum" is a positive claim. one which of course can be supported by argument that they aren't making town content. in which case that would the answer to the question "why is The Slime Collective scum?"

^Perfect example of my point. Slime is scum is not my premise, but my conclusion.

Your argument goes something like:
P1. Slime collective has no scummy content
P2. Players who have no scummy content are likely scum
C1. Slime collective is not likely scum

Besides being a totally different argument to the one we were having, I dispute both premises here. I decided to dispute the one I think is more easily realizable as false, P2, since absence of scum content does not always make someone less scummy, especially when they have no town content. So I pointed out that I disagree with both of your premises, but also pointed out that this SEPARATE argument doesn't address my first posited argument. We are getting into the weeds with this just for me to prove my point, so if you could just take the L here so we can move on that would be great.

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Look at this ISO (this isn't all of super's posts) - none of this is content. The only content superbowl has provided this whole game is pushing slime pretty hard after other people already started doing it. A lot of jokes/literal chess games/wrangling about the burden of proof. And his questions, such as they are, are pretty artificial. Often just asking why people aren't voting slime - which is facially fine - but it looks like super's reached a predetermined outcome rather than searching for anything. Like superbowl's content is not a huge sight better than slime's content, but superbowl has been doing it in a much shadier way to me.

I've helped progress gamestate since my first post. Coming in and supporting kyoko's side of that argument helped spark discussion, then I started a bugspray push, and have currently been the most active lobbyer on slime's wagon, which has generated the majority of recent discussion. You seem to think slime has been my only scumspect this game which really makes me question whether you actually read my ISO - you would've done better here to argue that I'm target switching too much than to argue that I've predetermined today's mislim. I'd love to see the content you've produced that even sniffs the game impact I've had - me and slime are worlds apart. This argument is so disingenuous.

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Lol I’m not trying to “own” anyone, hardline rhetoric just makes people respect your content more. Your points about me were very weak so I responded. You sound like you’re talking to the crowd rather than to me, but I asked you a pretty direct question: can you show me the game impact that you’ve had that’s been more helpful than mine? Because if not you should be scumreading yourself!

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Lol I’m not trying to “own” anyone, hardline rhetoric just makes people respect your content more.

Oh my god you actually are ben shapiro

LOL I think you have an impression of me as this logic debatelord which is not how I usually play. Kyoko brought out the knowyourfallacy website and I know the best way to get to that type is through this type of speaking, and I've been kinda railroaded the past two games for being too passive so I'm being more assertive. Comparing me to ben shapiro makes me want to vomit, especially from someone who will not stop using the L word.

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According to your own defense of your content, you have so far
1. 'Agreed with Kyoko' on a silly page 2 argument
2. Pushed bugspray mildly 3 days ago (this did not go anywhere)
3. Agreed with others voting slime and pushed him somewhat

None of that shows a genuine attempt at scumhunting. If you ISO me you'll find a wide variety of actually trying to offer my opinions and reads on the game.

I mean you just listed what I've done to scumhunt with words like silly, mild, and somewhat to water it down. If anything that's more than you simply "offering opinions", no?

Pedit: I don't think you are very scummy ATM, but your push on me has lessened your towncred a bit. Kyoko I've townread since the beginning of the game. Tris does have some slime partner equity but that's for tomorrow. I've already said most of that

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Either way slime is the one on the chopping block here, so the more we are chasing around with people actively contributing anyways the more they can sit back and try to let town self-destruct. If they don't post tomorrow we should hammer

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Either way slime is the one on the chopping block here, so the more we are chasing around with people actively contributing anyways the more they can sit back and try to let town self-destruct. If they don't post tomorrow we should hammer

Imo it'd probably be better to just wait for a replacement if they straight up flake. If they prodge or post a joke or something I agree that hammering is probably the best option (but it's one I don't really want to go to because I still don't think slime is the best use of our elimination).

Why isn't slime a good elim use here? They will never be NKed and are not useful, so regardless of alignment getting rid of them has some positive ultility doesn't it?

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so can we stop arguing about this?

yes

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Was that a hammer?

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Was that a hammer?

Nope

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Oh i think u right Im just dumb

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Gimli does look bad here. I’m gonna have to look back at some stuff but im also in a large so it will take me some time

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People who look real shitty after the flip: gimli son of gloin, superbowl9.

I really do apologise for the hammer, it was an awful move. Gimlis post convinced me to do it but i should have let the replacement happen (he would have been replaced for inactivity ANYWAY). Even worse luck he was a power role.

Someone's missing in your list....

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VOTE: horsewoman

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That was L-2

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What no? Me you and tris

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Oh oh no

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You can lim me for it, but I made an actual mistake. The chances that bugspray votes then decides to count themselves within 10 minutes is so minute - I had scum caught D1 and was distracted by slime's terrible play. Bugspray is scum

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Either way me or bugspray should be the elim today

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Also in defense of myself: Ythan voting horsewoman is quoted by viking guy right above where ythan actually votes horsewoman, so maybe my brain saw the quoted one and just skipped over the next one as a possible quote reply or something?

I think bugspray would have been more believable had they not actually claimed the hammer after a few minutes, because what thought process do you have to have to put the L-1 vote, then go back and count a few minutes later?

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At this point I'm not sure, I think you're town so maybe the viking? He's been sussing bugs as well though so from that I'd say maybe tris

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so, if bugspray is scum, there's definitely bussing going

How do you know this? Couldn't the green hair avi be the partner? I mean sure if it's a read that makes sense, but you can't know that for sure can you?

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Let's find out if you're scum

VOTE: bugspray

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so, if bugspray is scum, there's definitely bussing going

How do you know this? Couldn't the green hair avi be the partner? I mean sure if it's a read that makes sense, but you can't know that for sure can you?

yeah i'm townreading datisi. that's why i say that.

Okay so definitely => most likely

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Going to taco bell, if I get back and we're still here we basically know there's scum in me and bugs right? Not that we couldn't already assume this

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Okay well the other two havent posted but im not taking my vote off so I think we can work as though the quickhammer isn't going to happen

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Yeah it could be SvS from your perspective but me pushing bugs early takes away from that theory imo

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Tris posting rn is lowkey a towntell

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Im really starting to rethink my green hair townread now, he's the only one who sussed me today right?

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his name is datisi and he is fucking awesome

Exactly what a buddy would say!

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@Bugspray Just one thing and I hope you're not offended. Please don't post these in middle of game:

@mod can i get that personal pt i asked you for in a pm?

It's so fucking frustrating that slime would have been force replaced if we didn't elim them and I thought that it was likely to happen but wasn't allowed to say anything because of rule 2

Like, I feel like the integrity of this game has been compromised by a rule meant to preserve the integrity of the game because there was a more to my wincon thing I could have said but wasn't allowed to. Are we just supposed to pretend that replaces don't affect games?

I mean - you're bringing extra information in-game to make people town read you but it hurts the integrity of the game.

I disagree with this post a lot

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Good game! You had us all fooled datisti

Town kinda self destructed but it happens! This is just a lesson against quickhammers and not knowing how to count

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did you know if someone does something bannable and you report them for it that you're not allowed to mention that you think they might get force replaced? like we're just supposed to fucking pretend that has no actual effect on the game until it has an effect on the game and then I think we're supposed to fucking ignore it or someshit

Yeah that is weird