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[Flavor Leaf]

to be fair, I trapped him with my "He's just gonna claim Seer" trick.

No you actually mis played heavily.

I clearly misplayed here

[Flavor Leaf]

I played it all wrong, I was the seer and had a guilty on Finral

I tried to ride Finral and hoped that possibly his partner would have jumped on, and then pushed for Finral to eat rope, and survive the next night giving us a better chance of winning the game, as I would have either found the second scum, or got an inno. In normal circumstances I would have came out with the counter claim had we had a doctor, or some sort of blocking feature. Sorry guys/girl.

Nice.

Yeah, it was either you or Frog, so I just pigeonholed you into it.

I'm writing a guide on how to open wolf 101.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Finral does get executed in most game states there.

I've played this setup so many times in face to face, when you see the scum PT, we called out exactly how this day would play.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, I knew exactly what I had to do to get Amelie to vote in an area I wanted her to. It was just unfortunate that nobody knew that my alt was outed, because if she knew that was me, I don't think it'd have worked.

So don't feel bad, Amelie, I kind of played the setup specifically to get you to vote one of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

to be fair, I trapped him with my "He's just gonna claim Seer" trick.

No you actually mis played heavily.

I clearly misplayed here

it was only a misplay on a mechanical level, not a sociological level.

I also knew I had the support of Klick who trusts me as a player, and then you spewed yourself scum afterwards by speaking.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually

VOTE: Not Mafia

I have a guilty on Kop.

VOTE: Kop

But actually, can we talk about this legendary quick hammer without intent followed by the guilty claim, both on Page 2.

How To Open Wolf 101

[Flavor Leaf]

you definitely did not obv town to Amelie, and you allowed momentum to turn on you.

You went super attack mode without having reasons.

Your gut read on me was correct, you knew I was scum.

Doesn't matter if you can't get me faded.

[Flavor Leaf]

Face to face is easy to control the game state because players are not good and you can persuade them more easily with body language, so that's not a sign to me that you chose a line of play that is superior.

Well, this is like the third time in a few months I've won essentially the same way, so

it's not always better to do the "best play"

me making what you perceive as a mistake is why I became townier to Amelie.

I just knew how to get Amelie to vote the direction I wanted, and then I trapped you, and you came out super aggressively, something I already knew you would do, especially if I egged you on the way I did.

[Flavor Leaf]

You... Did spew yourself as scum d2 frog

Nah.

well, I almost faded a mason recently as scum too, so obv town isn't enough to protect yourself from me

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, once scum PT opens up, you can see it for yourself to believe that I expected Amelie to vote one of you or kop specifically.

This would not have been a victory had I not done that.

Just because the play itself doesn't make "mechanical sense" is why it's not pushed as scum behavior.

Most scummy things are not actually scummy, and they're town doing bad things.

I empathize it's difficult to grasp my point here because it requires thinking beyond a surface level; master manipulators start by manipulating themselves, only you can know if you truly had Amelie as a mark or if you left whatever comments in the PT for yourself later as a smoking gun.

that's about 4 levels beneath the level I'm at :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

I have to work soon but Flavor Leaf, I feel like I know you but can't quite put my finger on who you are so no, I'm not sure knowing that Finral was you changes much for me.

I believe this loss happened because I was a swing vote and neither townie did what I expected town would do in this situation. I had a Finral scum paranoia read throughout the entirety of the day but I just felt like Frogsterking was extremely scummy. I guess the key to winning me over here would have been to try to get me to understand your Finral scum read because I never understood it. I felt like only a town seer or scum would scumread Finral there given no counterclaims and today was limlo and most definitely not a day to be cagey with claims. That was something crucial that I absolutely needed explained and with no explanation, I really do not think there was even a slight chance that I would've believed you.

I understand how Kop was thinking when not counterclaiming immediately but that lead to me believing Finral was the true town seer and to my impulsive decision that lead to a town loss. Perhaps if there was a different, calmer, and more reasonable townie in my place things might have gone differently. I'll definitely be less impulsive in the future but I am still shocked at how different my expectations and reality were.

I've won as scum against you before in essentially the same way, but forget where.

[Flavor Leaf]

I helped!!

this too.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I think it was a good game, I'm just trolling frogster is all because he thinks he wasnt scummy lol