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Post #63 (isolation #4) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:12 am
Postby Toogeloo »
In post 57, Datisi wrote:re massclaim: scum has ~some sorta magical information~ and i highly doubt schadd would make a game breakable by massclaim on day 1 so that's a no from me dawg
Scum have changing roles since they get new potions every night. I feel like scum are the least interested in a mass claim since they may not be able to prove their claim down the line.
Nevermind, I misread the post. The scum team haven't actually distributed their potions yet, but I guess they only get to do it once at end of today only.
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Post #125 (isolation #7) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:58 pm
Postby Toogeloo »
In post 115, Retti wrote:And I could see that being the way scum plays the early game, mostly trying to blend in, talking just to talk but not providing momentum themselves.
How's that different from what I've done that made you interested changing from me to them?
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Post #130 (isolation #8) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:04 pm
Postby Toogeloo »
Excuse me if I feel your gut reason seems weak considering you had a vote on me as a sheep for a town read, and I would argue that I too qualify as a similar reason your gut made you swap elsewhere. I'd think you'd be interested in applying more pressure on me.
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Post #174 (isolation #9) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:02 pm
Postby Toogeloo »
In post 162, skitter30 wrote:I'm also not sure i'd call you a scjmread, you more just feel kinda off
In post 165, skitter30 wrote:I feel like you're asking weird questions, your responses to a couple of things have been a little off, and i didnt like the scumclaiming bits
Skitter, these posts are coming off to me like you are being delicate with your wording.
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Post #176 (isolation #11) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:08 pm
Postby Toogeloo »
From my perspective in your exchange with RaR, you seem like you are feigning a lack of confidence, possibly to refer back to later as a waffle moment and have another avenue to push if your other scum reads flip town.
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Post #183 (isolation #13) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:22 pm
Postby Toogeloo »
I think my top 3 should not be executed today.
I didn't find their reason for changing their vote off of me to be compelling since I was guilty of similar play. My reads are fluid however, and it should be noted that I have no read basis for spots 4-6 since there isn't enough to work with as of now.
To be fair, my vote is still from page 1, and I haven't changed it. I actually am not generally flippant with my votes, so when I am ready to place a serious vote, I'll make it obvious.
I don't think I have enough to work with from all players to make me confident in my list, but I do like it as of right now.
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Post #197 (isolation #16) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:04 pm
Postby Toogeloo »
Naked votes, while generally terrible for information, are still generally NAI. In fact I'd argue, scum are more likely to make up a be excuse to apply a vote to avoid naked voting.
Your response immediately after, plus your dialogues afterwards make me feel you are more likely town than scum.
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I'm moving skitter up my list. Willing to move Retti up a little as well. I'm not happy with the content of bugs or tris and T3 feel naturally scummy, like they've read creature's playbook and committed it to memory. All 3 of them can fall below Retti for now.
In post 370, Datisi wrote:any reason skitt is here other than "if not dead she is scum"?
no, literally just that
like, skitter ~maybe~ dodges the NK for like 1-2 nights if town, but I have big scepticism that anyone in this PL would decide to bring her to 3p lylo who wouldn't... also probably be dead by that point (like, I would probably not bring her to 3p lylo and I don't think u or tris would do so if u were scum... maybe tris would? idk, but that's a Very Bold decision if skitter is town and I think that generally scum aren't willing to take the bet on the final townie paranoia voting skitt > them especially considering that mislimming skitt is normally a huge pain in the ass unless she's fucked up in her positioning on a scum wagon)
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Post #479 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:22 pm
Postby Toogeloo »
Skitter, why the vote on me from the previous page? I assume you don't think I am null-town anymore. Then you voted for someone I had as one of my scum reads.
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Post #534 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:23 am
Postby Toogeloo »
In post 491, Datisi wrote:@toog, i assume your vote wasn't a serious vote (or rather, a vote born from a scumread) so i would like to know where you stand today as opposed to your last reads yesterday?
It was a test and not a serious vote.
In post 480, Retti wrote:You never actually answered 304 from me and I'd like to get a reply.
1. I was willing to give skitter a bit of a pass for activity's sake. I was not expecting the day to be over by the time I came back, and was just trying to pressure the lower activity slots into doing more.
2. I just found it either weird or insulting that you weren't noticing me despite voting me.
also, I think I can out this without S_S being upset? but we had a hurt potion for 1 damage that we used on trjis last night (mainly my call) because I figured that there was a good chance that if anyone else had one they might also use it on her, and it would have been useful to know if the hammer was town or scum
so S_S suggested, and I agree, that making trjis disagree with you today might be a good move because we can essentially treat her as conf!town for the rest of the day if she does, and treat it as a scum claim if she refuses to
~Rhyme
If tris is already damaged by 1, wouldn't disagreeing kill them? So uh, you'll get a conftown by having a dead town? I would more expect tris to not want to die at all and make it NAI.
skitter is all over the place today, without a doubt. Votes me but doesn't explain the drop from Null-town. Then votes Retti. Then revotes me and says the only person other "non-town" read is T3.
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Post #536 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:37 am
Postby Toogeloo »
Rhyme and Reason is now hard-lock town for me.
Datisi is an extremely strong town read.
Retti is now a town read too.
pob long drops down to null-scum. My original impression was that pob long was the most basic of vanilla's since they had a potion that did nothing, however they have admitted to having two potions that do nothing or have unknown effects, and this I refuse to believe. I believe pob long is fucking with us.
skitter is back down to full blown, I don't trust this slot. Their posting style yesterday was extremely delicate as to not piss off people, and their reads are everywhere and yet nowhere.
I think T3 is naturally scummy. I think it's hard for them to be on town in anyway, and their playstyle is easy for people to latch on to and call scummy. I do NOT have a town read on them, but I would not be surprised if they are town.
When I came back to thread I was locked out before I could do a full catch-up. My impressions of tris were they were doing a bit of scum theater with skitter, and their request to not be investigated was obviously a red flag, but I think I over thought it based on today's posts. I'm leaning lightly town with a weak foundation there for now.
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Post #543 (isolation #26) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:30 am
Postby Toogeloo »
In post 528, Datisi wrote:this feels like yelling into the void i am starting to not like my charisma potion anymore
I think your charisma potion is just fine. This is me disagreeing with you, and you should be loving it.
I believe it works in tandem with Rhyme and Reason. I'm hard locking R&R because I have the exact same potion, though I haven't used mine yet to deal 1 damage to a player. I think in tandem with your potion, we can execute players we don't want around.
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Post #572 (isolation #33) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:36 pm
Postby Toogeloo »
I'm not the one being pedantic. My list on Page 8 of the game can't possibly be so cut and dry as these have to be scum, these have to be town. You are the one who is labeling my choices and then questioning me on the details of them.
Let's not forget Day 1 was cut way shorter than it should have. I wasn't in a position to apply labels to players yet. So if you can't accept that I had a very basic list which I stated was fluid and constantly changing, and that everyone on that list must have a label, that's on you.
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Post #649 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:46 pm
Postby Toogeloo »
Get pob long or T3 at -1 HP, execute the other. I'll poke the one at -1 HP, if someone else has a poke potion, they can poke me tonight, or you can execute me tomorrow and use tonight and tomorrow night worrying about MeLo after my mis-elim if it gets that far.
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Post #677 (isolation #44) » Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:49 am
Postby Toogeloo »
In post 675, Datisi wrote:considering you're already taking damage from me anyway, i at least feel comfortable discussing this - don't think this is true? like, i can't force anyone into anything.
All you have to say is...
"[Player], I think you should take 1 HP damage today, do you agree?"
By refusing, they take 1 HP of damage anyways since the disagree with you. If they agree, then they should find a way to take that damage, and you hold them to it.
Like the only thing they can do is ignore you or try to convince you not to and avoid it, in which case if it's that big of a deal to you, you could press the matter. You could theoretically apply -1HP damage to anyone you want depending on how aggressive you wish to be, and anyone who refuses would be
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Post #751 (isolation #52) » Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:08 am
Postby Toogeloo »
This game seems designed for town to intentionally shoot itself in the foot by the looks of it. If there is no factional night kill. Everyone holstering actually seems a plausible play, but you'd have to assume there is no deep wolf directing town.
And honestly, it makes roles like the charisma potion seem to benefit scum more than town.
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Post #756 (isolation #53) » Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:10 am
Postby Toogeloo »
UNVOTE: VOTE: Toogeloo
Eliminate me today. Do it quick before any other damage is taken from the charisma potion. Everyone else who has a damage potion will be scum claiming if they use it.
In post 751, Toogeloo wrote:And honestly, it makes roles like the charisma potion seem to benefit scum more than town.
yes but i think (?) dats is town on play + it's super easy for him to 'accidentally' write posts in a way for people to disagree with + it looks like the pressure of writing his posts in a ~neutral~ way is getting to him, when if he were scum that wouldnt' be happening
This is not me saying Days is scum, but keep in mind that scum allotted their potions to each other after Day 1, so giving a potion like that to a widely town read player would be a smart scum move.
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Post #772 (isolation #56) » Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:29 am
Postby Toogeloo »
In post 764, skitter30 wrote:i also just feel like the fact that you're so intune with the scum mechanics is +scum :/
idk maybe i'm tunneled but i'm having a hard time here seeing toog as town
I have self voted, to sum up my position, the best way to combat a scum team with no factional kill is for any town players with a damaging potion to holster it and never use it. Any deaths at night will be due to scum.
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Post #785 (isolation #59) » Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:48 am
Postby Toogeloo »
I only have 1 potion. It deals 1 damage to a player when all players start with 2 HP. It made more sense to hold my potion until I had more info to work with.
I asked the mod, and schadd said that once a potion is used, it's gone. So basically, the entire game my only contribution at night is to deal 1 damage only to anyone.