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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:08 am

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VOTE: T3

For beating me with the first post!
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Post Post #50 (isolation #1) » Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:54 pm

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wth with the speed lynch.

I hate whenever they happen. It's always hurts the town.

Pooky - would you care to explain why did you hammer T3?
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Post Post #142 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:51 am

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In post 52, Datisi wrote:ok hear me out
we yeet the obvious quickhammering scum first
then we use info tomorrow

VOTE: pooky

actually dwlee might as well be scum too because the "ok e-1 this" and "wAiT wAs tHaT HaMmEr" are kinda awful actually but whatever
this sounds like a fake response.
In post 53, Dwlee99 wrote:Clidd is conftown and infinity is weird champ for suggesting that we just kill me based on probability. I don't even know if the math is right but I have to double check it.
How is clidd is confirmed town?
In post 60, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Arcangel9
Hard gut vote here.
Your gut is big pile of poop. :lol:
In post 67, Dwlee99 wrote:Explain pooky!scum other than quickhammer
All quick hammers players are not scum.
In post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:But if he quickhammered scum you'd call him town?
Actually people have done that in the past including some scum itself. its called bussing.
In post 72, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 27, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait that was hammer omg
This reads so fake to me

I think scum risked trying to get an inno onto dwlee because they knew that vote looked bad and that dwlee would be targeted for it. Agree that clidd is likely the townie they added because otherwise they are giving a guilty away

Let me do some math
I don't understand why and how clidd is a town here?
In post 74, Dwlee99 wrote:Murdercat is second scum. Arcangel/Murdercat/?? We wait to see.
What??? :mad:
In post 75, Dwlee99 wrote:Oh also cause I'm pretty sure angel is scum and pooky is town.
So you moved from gut to pretty sure in about 5 posts. Pro scum hunting skills. :lol:
In post 78, Pavowski wrote:Maths make me nervous. They're great but ignore the psychological element

2 questions I have:

1) if Pooky is scum why is he so cavalier about it. The quickhammer sucks but it doesn't guarantee scum to me

2) would mafia use a check on their own to hide in plain sight or put the true/false thing on two townies?

Gut says Pooky is scum but I'm very curious why Dwlee is convinced Pooky is town
I second this. You got two perfect valid points.
In post 80, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 77, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 65, Dwlee99 wrote:Angel is my vote because I think her reaction coming into today was bad
say more then
She has one post lol
And within my one post, you're pretty sure I am scum.

VOTE: Dwlee99
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Post Post #247 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:17 pm

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In post 143, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay popping in again to say that angel is literally just OMGUSing me right now and I'm not even voting her anymore anyway
So because your changed your vote, i should change my read on you? I see your motivation to lynch me is nothing about scummy.
In post 157, clidd wrote:Townpings on Datisi and Pavowski.

Vaguely good impression of Infinity, but I would probably classify her as null-town.

Scumpings on Pooky and Arc.

Murdercat and Dwlee are null.

pedit: Hallo. Such a hemorrhagic pleasure to be here (as always).

How to hell Dwlee is null? Youre slipping into scum list clidd.
In post 160, clidd wrote:@Pooky

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

I have two questions:

106 - Why scum!Datisi ''planning the push'' vs town!you would be more likely than town!Datisi finding your hammer questionable/scummy? I mean, you haven't tried to meaningfully engage with T3 (before the final vote) and you haven't given any advance notice that you were going to hammer. Just trying to understand your process here.

113 - Why is Infinity town to you?

@Arc

(142) - Why is 52 a ''fake response'' to you?

What are your reads on everyone rn? (town/scum/null/etc - if so, why)
Its the tone of the post. It sounded vague and fake because he pointed what really happened and known to the entire team.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #4) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:42 am

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Today, we should lynch between Dwlee9/Clidd/Pooky
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Post Post #286 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:52 am

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In post 279, Dwlee99 wrote:What the hell. Never kill Clidd because I effectively have a clear on him.
How did you clear him as town?
In post 280, Pavowski wrote:It's between arc, Dwlee, and pooky for me right now as I said earlier.

I have mitigating factors to diffuse my suspicions on the others that I don't have for Arc.

VOTE: arcangel

Pedit: how do you justify clidd in that top 3?
His reasons to call me scum seems scum motivated. What are your mitigating factors on others?
In post 283, clidd wrote:@ArcAngel

Do you have any reads outside of 278?

Like who you're townreading/nulls etc.
I feel daitsy, MC may be town.
i don't have a strong read on you yet.
My top suspects are dwkee, Pooky and clidd

I am comfortable with pooky too.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:03 am

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In post 287, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 286, ArcAngel9 wrote:How did you clear him as town?
I cop checked him last night.
When did you claim? Did you share your night result?
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Post Post #291 (isolation #7) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:09 am

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In post 289, Dwlee99 wrote:At the start of the day I said "clidd is confirmed town"
But you never claimed so what makes you believe that we use that it was a cop claim.

So why you didn't claim then and doing it now. I have asked the same question in the past too.

In the mean while.. I am good with this for now.

VOTE: Pooky
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Post Post #296 (isolation #8) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:49 am

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In post 292, Dwlee99 wrote:Well that's e-1, and I can't tell if arc didn't read the setup or is pretending not to have.
I have never played this setup. And I clicked on the link from the front page, It took me to the open setups landing page.

I am playing blind like any other closed game. Can anyone help with the link to the setup?
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Post Post #300 (isolation #9) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:02 am

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Someone being honest and you both want to show your masters in sarcasm!

You both should be real proud.

Pedit - My English is okay for a non-native speaker. and honestly i didn't see the setup on post # 2. I clicked the Open hyperlink on post # 1 and left it there when it didn't work.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #10) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:17 am

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Dwlee - Who is your top scum reads (apart from me)
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Post Post #407 (isolation #11) » Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:04 am

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What is your point?
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Post Post #462 (isolation #12) » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:25 am

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In post 409, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't think that pooky and you are scum together, arc.
I am Town. I still scum read pooky.
In post 410, clidd wrote:Ok, Pooky is cleaner now, we can start discussing the MC wagon.
How is he clear?
In post 412, Infinity 324 wrote:I still don't feel very comfortable voting with dwlee
What are you scum reads?
In post 417, Infinity 324 wrote:They're mildly towny to me, especially the way they reacted to people pushing them for the guilty. I don't really see anything that's stopping them from being scum though, besides pushing murder who's scummy
Do you think dwlee claim is trash? His clearance on clidd is just bs?
In post 419, clidd wrote:I'll drop Infinity from townlean to null.
Why? They're obliged to suspect anyone they choose.
In post 425, Pavowski wrote:That being said I should probably stay out of the discussion of all maths, I was a Fine Arts major after all
Is psychology your subject?
In post 446, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:MC/Datisi and then Pav or Angel
this game is over lets go go go
Or you!! I am okay with your elimination.
In post 452, Infinity 324 wrote:Murdercat can you do something
Actually my MC read went down too.. If not pooky, I can settle with MC for today.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #13) » Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:08 pm

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In post 467, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 462, ArcAngel9 wrote:Actually my MC read went down too.. If not pooky, I can settle with MC for today.
Literally everyone is piling on me for no reason

Why why why are we going to elim me and not the person who hammered a townie on page 2 or the person with the guilty
I've given reasoning for all my reads, how can anyone say I'm not scum hunting
So if someone quick hammers on day 1, they officially become scum by default? This is exactly the kind of logic that makes me think that it is scum motivated I am not town reading pooky but now I am also not town reading you. Its hard for me to believe that both pooky and you are scum together. So it likely possible that one of you is town and another one is scum. Do you have any better reason to believe why pooky is scum apart from quick hammer on day 1?

In post 476, Pavowski wrote:
In post 462, ArcAngel9 wrote:Is psychology your subject?
Nope, English and Theatre. What can I say, I'm a word nerd. I did take several psych classes though
I am interested to do a master's in psychology. I will enroll in next year.
In post 479, Pavowski wrote:
In post 462, ArcAngel9 wrote:In post 446, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
MC/Datisi and then Pav or Angel
this game is over lets go go go


Or you!! I am okay with your elimination.
Wait, are you saying you agree with his list -- but it's missing Pooky?

Or are you saying his list is garbage because he's scum?
Partially garbage because i am town. I believe one among Pooky and MC are scum.
In post 481, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 462, ArcAngel9 wrote:Do you think dwlee claim is trash? His clearance on clidd is just bs?
There are no power roles in this game. Dwlee's "claim" was a joke, they know that clidd is town based on the mechanics of the game.

I think pooky and MC are playing scummy, I think dwlee is scummy because of the guilty, and you and pav are in my PoE I guess. I'm not sure how that fits together, but that's where I'm at.
Thanks for clarifying that. So do you scum read dwlee?
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Post Post #487 (isolation #14) » Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:11 pm

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who thinks MC is town?
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Post Post #494 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:22 am

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Count me in
but will wait for MC to have their defense.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:48 am

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on the other hand, they were last online 7:18am but ignored responding after getting into E1

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VOTE: MurderCat
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Post Post #511 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:54 am

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I waited and they were online but didn't care!!
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Post Post #532 (isolation #18) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:45 am

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In post 521, Datisi wrote:VOTE: angel

brain still scrambled from the weekend. actual effort coming from me tonight, if i'm still alive. agreed this likely means clidd/dwlee are t/t.
Fine you want to play this game. Lets go!

VOTE: Datisi
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Post Post #537 (isolation #19) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:47 am

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I won't believe pooky is scum anymore. It is most unlikely that there were two active scum wagons.

So the question Is another scum bussing their teammate?
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Post Post #538 (isolation #20) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:50 am

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In post 514, Umlaut wrote:
Vote Count 2.5 (final)
MURDERCAT
(5): Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, clidd,
Pavowsk
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PookyTheMagicalBear
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Infinity 324
, MURDERCAT

Not voting
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Datisi


With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to launch.
The reason why i think we should lynch Datisi (red)

or my 2nd suspects (orange)
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Post Post #539 (isolation #21) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:50 am

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okay i screwed up with the coloring. Sorry about that.
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Post Post #543 (isolation #22) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:22 am

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Why i think Datisi is SCUM


In post 52, Datisi wrote:ok hear me out
we yeet the obvious quickhammering scum first
then we use info tomorrow

VOTE: pooky

actually dwlee might as well be scum too because the "ok e-1 this" and "wAiT wAs tHaT HaMmEr" are kinda awful actually but whatever
He starts the day 2 with the intention to push Pooky for quick hammering T3 on D1.
In post 57, Datisi wrote:if you bus pooky today i will let you live to day 4 :)
He tries to buddy with Dwlee to push on pooky.
In post 66, Datisi wrote:i can see her being a partner to pooky, sure
Indicates that i can be scum partner with Pooky and sure about it.
In post 68, Datisi wrote:i can't lmfao he's scum for quickhammering a townie on page 2
Continues to imply pooky is only scum because of the quick hammer act.
In post 70, Datisi wrote:yes

if you're about to say "but that would be town!pooky hammering and town!pooky couldn't have known that t3 was gonna flip" don't even waste your time. scum!pooky doesn't quickhammer a partner right out of the gate, but the odds of town!pooky hammering that quickly at all are so astronomically low in the first place, that in that scenario i would *have* to accept that that wa town!pooky. here i don't have to because there's a much simpler explanation.
Continues to push his point of view.
In post 101, Datisi wrote:scum quickhammering on page 2 is actually brilliant play, if the rest of the game goes "but scum... wouldn't... do that... :("

like he quickhammered so we're obviously living in one of those two worlds, and the scum!pooky one is much more likely than the town!pooky one
more posts that says how desperately he wants to push pooky lynch.
In post 443, Datisi wrote:not opposed to mc in a vacuum, though i guess i'm getting worried about the similar problem of "who's their partner?". mostly because pooky is voting there and doesn't pooky have like a sacred oath of not bussing or something.

dwlee, you done the thinking of who could and couldn't be mc's partners here?
Subtly leans on to MC topic but doesn't stress on it instead tried to shift the topic to who is their partner? and brings the pooky topic again with intention to push his wagon.
In post 435, Datisi wrote:
In post 426, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 90, Infinity 324 wrote:3/16 * 5/8 / (3/8) = 5/16
This is the probability that someone is town given a guilty. The probability that they're scum is 11/16 which is about 69%
so i googled the thing, did the math myself, had different numbers, but somehow also got to 11/16 so i guess

the reason why i don't want to focus solely on "math" here is because i keep thinking of a secret hitler game i modded this last marathon. the game was steadily going towards a liberal (town) victory, and then there were two liberal governments that played fascist policies, and the game descended into chaos, because the most townread players passed fascist cards, and the only way for that to not have happened if they were town was if there were 6 fascist cards in the deck in a row. they calculated the odds of that happening, ~9%. so there must be a deepwolf. all while i was staring at the random.org rand that spat out 6 fascist cards in a row. town promptly lost that game.

i can agree that angel doesn't seem like a likely pooky partner
(though i'd have to recheck if she had any other options, or if that vote was a "fuck, my other suspects are town, i have to bus here" - but that would mean she was consciously faking not knowing about the setup and voting pooky based on that, which ehh why did she not unvote pooky then?)

uuugh my head hurts. is something like mc/pooky/pav viable? maybe it is? i want to be confident on infy!town but i don't actually know the extent of her scumrange which is annoying. something rings wrong about her focusing so hard on that guilty but i feel like everyone in this game has said/done scummy shit

except for clidd, he's probably scum because he's done no scummy shit and the world hates me
This post is very funny. Here he says that Angel doesn't look like pooky partner.
In post 381, Datisi wrote:i don't know. i don't have townreads on any of angel, murdercat, or pav. i'm not too big on looking for preflip associates like this, especially since scum was aware pooky would be under fire today and probably have somewhat prepared for it.
In post 470, Datisi wrote:UNVOTE:

i think that's y-1 and i don't want any Accidents until i am able to rethink this again

ok nvm me carry on
He was pushing on pooky lynch all day but here he says that he doesn't feel angel, MC or pav as town and moves his vote from pooky wagon by saying that they are E-1. This sounds like he is getting himself ready to jump wagons.
In post 501, Datisi wrote:
In post 485, ArcAngel9 wrote:So if someone quick hammers on day 1, they officially become scum by default? This is exactly the kind of logic that makes me think that it is scum motivated I am not town reading pooky but now I am also not town reading you. Its hard for me to believe that both pooky and you are scum together. So it likely possible that one of you is town and another one is scum. Do you have any better reason to believe why pooky is scum apart from quick hammer on day 1?
this is something that i wanted to discuss before eod - you were scumreading pooky earlier as well, you were voting for him. why were you voting for him then?

but whatever, gonna talk tomorrow. i hope that flips red because my heart cannot take another 7p lylo
This is a joke, He unvotes pooky, read MC, me, and Pav as scum but doesn't vote for either of us, and pointing on to my reasons post the MC elimination. and the emotional statement at the end sounds super fake to me!!
In post 503, Datisi wrote:yeah, if this flips red, i'm looking at those late votes

i mean i'm probably also gonna be dead because i kinda don't think pooky/mc are like, partnered, because i don't think pooky lolbusses there, and he's gonna rip my head off my body tomorrow if mc is red, so you know, but for when i'm dead, that's where y'all should be looking at

ofc if this is green then i'm still not gonna enjoy the game because 7p lylo but that's the game
How does he know that would be dead? that just sounds fake.

and also he is pushing an idea to look at the late votes of MC wagon (separating himself from the suspect's list)

So my final conclusion, Datisi is scum and this is my serious vote. You're all most welcome. :)

VOTE: Datisi
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Post Post #545 (isolation #23) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:25 am

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In post 542, Datisi wrote:actually no hold on

i kept dying in the game which made me annoyed and logging on i see angel is voting me so now i shall build a case on why she's scum with murdercat, give me a few
So you want to build a case because i am voting you.

Not because you think i am scum. Thanks for adding points to why you're the last remaining scum.
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Post Post #547 (isolation #24) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:28 am

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In post 544, Datisi wrote:angel is scum:

ok let's talk about the interactions between angel and murdercat

first, prior to the wagon really picking up speed:

there's 142, in which angel throws a throwaway comment about mc's 72. note that in that same post, angel attacked dwlee's 74. mc did something similar in 73, attacked dwlee's 60 where he was sussing angel. murder included a throwaway comment in 372 to angel's 278. oh, and angel had a townread on mc early in 286.

all their interactions boil down to (1) shallow questions (2) questioning someone scumreading the other (3) unexplained townreads

however, once the mc wagon actually picks up, things get spicy (so like page 19 onwards):

all of a sudden, angel says her read of mc went down too and she can settle for his yeet (bottom of 462).

now, here's the fun part. there's this part that didn't make sense to me at the time, but i did call it out in 501:
Spoiler: relevant part of 485
In post 485, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 467, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 462, ArcAngel9 wrote:Actually my MC read went down too.. If not pooky, I can settle with MC for today.
Literally everyone is piling on me for no reason

Why why why are we going to elim me and not the person who hammered a townie on page 2 or the person with the guilty
I've given reasoning for all my reads, how can anyone say I'm not scum hunting
So if someone quick hammers on day 1, they officially become scum by default? This is exactly the kind of logic that makes me think that it is scum motivated I am not town reading pooky but now I am also not town reading you. Its hard for me to believe that both pooky and you are scum together. So it likely possible that one of you is town and another one is scum. Do you have any better reason to believe why pooky is scum apart from quick hammer on day 1?

this made no sense to me, because angel had been voting for pooky for like, the whole time. she did say in 142 that "All quick hammers players are not scum.", but her next mentions of pooky were saying she suspects him, scumreads him, is fine with his elimination, etc, etc. but she never gave an actual reason for scumreading pooky, she just... was scumreading him. so i think it's fair to assume that she was scumreading him for the quickhammer, since she didn't bother to offer any hot takes with the vote/scumread.

so i found it very very odd that she was suddenly calling mc out for calling pooky scum for the quickhammer. why the hell were you voting him if not for the quickhammer? but with the flip, it actually makes sense - panic distancing away from the buddy who is obviously about to go down.

also, the hammer after only 2 and a half hours of giving intent is ridiculous. it feels tmi.

also also, why is angel voting me today? because... i was off wagon? when i unvoted pooky when he got to y-1, and called for more time when i was taking a mini-v/la? and like, how is pav your second choice?? why are you ignoring infinity here, who was actively wagoning pooky the whole time???

looking at that ^^, the votecounts, and giving pav's iso a 15 second skim, i'd say infinity is the third one (but also reckon infinity will be readable by effort, because i imagine scum!infinity will not be very energetic here). followed by pav, followed by god fucking help me someone turbobussed again. maybe i'll actually give this a proper read at some point if i'm still about to die, who knows idk. maybe not.

pedit: i did not read that case and i will not be rewriting this now, will read and respond later
TRY HARDER SCUM!!!
you're going to loose. I can do this all day. Go ahead and twist whatever you want. i am crushing you because i read through you directly.
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Post Post #549 (isolation #25) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:38 am

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I decided to vote against you right after your posts post the MC lynch, it is regardless of your vote on me today.

So you're implying that i hammered my partner when i can focus on pushing Pooky wagon which was super easy for me at that moment? Why didn't you vote MC despite you express your suspects about them?
Do you see the irony in your statements?
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Post Post #550 (isolation #26) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:39 am

Post by ArcAngel9 »

And you're frustrated now because I caught you! I can understand that.. So bring it on.

there is something you don't know about me. I am unstoppable when I catch scum that my super power!!! I can do this all day now!!
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Post Post #556 (isolation #27) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:31 am

Post by ArcAngel9 »

Sure then
Eliminate me today. I am not afraid becuz it will narrow it down to the scum Datisi

I will volunteer to get eliminated if it proves you all wrong
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Post Post #582 (isolation #28) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:01 pm

Post by ArcAngel9 »

In post 580, clidd wrote:@ArcAngel9

Do you have something to say? dwlee'll seal your fate here

I am not scum. Anyone who played with me can tell that i am town.

Lynch Datisi tomorrow!
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Post Post #977 (isolation #29) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:57 pm

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In post 975, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm never scum :)
And you think i am always scum.
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