In post 1078, Alisae wrote:This game is over, let's start by massclaiming. This is the order I propose.
Marci
Ali
Math
IV
Datisi
Dwlee
STD
Norwee
I'll be honest I do not care when I claim but Norwee's position I will not change.
@STD, Dwlee, Norwee
- Any objections or positions that you want moved?
Alisae only processed that George not caring about being e-1 could mean he wasn't a PR when I pointed it out to him. Can town quickhammer there? Yes. But I think it's scummy and you and IV seem keen to hard clear alisae over it.
The choices here are 1.) STD was the attempted night kill or 2.) He wasn't the attempted night kill. I don't get why he would be the night kill target there, so I feel like scum either no targeted or norwee blocked the kill elsewhere. So having an immediate call for mass claim immediately the next day is scummy to me.
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Post #1828 (isolation #203) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:27 pm
Postby Dwlee99 »
In post 1825, Datisi wrote:honestly if i had to tell, i'd say that dwlee maybe kinda sorta feels a little bit too sure in things they're saying. idk some of their cases/convictions feel too sure. but asking to be jailed is kinda suicide for scum!them...
notes for what i need to do tomorrow:
- check whether this kinda play in a shit position is within scum!iv's range
- check whether dwlee gets this sure/changes their mind this quickly on things lategame and maybe try to look at a scumgame (fuck second hand meta)
ok it's 3:30am i'm going to sleep now, see y'all tomorrow
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Post #1830 (isolation #204) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:29 pm
Postby Dwlee99 »
In post 125, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I saw @Datisi out by the park today, feeding birds m&m’s laced with arsenic.
Gonna tell my boy at the towncore @xXGeorge_BaileyzXx what’s going on.
#Towngang4lyfebaby #ScumneedstoDIE #Follow&ifollowback
In post 1499, Alisae wrote:Like if people aren't gonna vote STD they need to explain what the hell happened and I am seeing none of that.
I mean, rather than consider that scum HAD to target an seemingly unlikely nightkill, there is also the possibility the second PR is an doctor/Babysitter and blocked the kill elsewhere no?
but there things felt pretty clear from my pov so i kinda wasn't paying attention to what you were saying as long as it ended in "kill t3" or "don't kill datisi"
and also something about your posting here pings me in a weird way and i'd have to reread tomorrow to see if it's actually something or it the tiredness from the past few days is getting to me
Norwee and Mastina were like "kill datisi then t3" and I was like "NO"
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Post #1837 (isolation #208) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:36 pm
Postby Dwlee99 »
There are parts of my case on Alisae that are just this is scummy. There are other parts where I support the scum play I'm seeing by establishing how it makes sense from a scum perspective on the narrative layer.
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Post #1838 (isolation #209) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:43 pm
Postby Dwlee99 »
In post 1825, Datisi wrote:honestly if i had to tell, i'd say that dwlee maybe kinda sorta feels a little bit too sure in things they're saying. idk some of their cases/convictions feel too sure. but asking to be jailed is kinda suicide for scum!them...
notes for what i need to do tomorrow:
- check whether this kinda play in a shit position is within scum!iv's range
- check whether dwlee gets this sure/changes their mind this quickly on things lategame and maybe try to look at a scumgame (fuck second hand meta)
ok it's 3:30am i'm going to sleep now, see y'all tomorrow
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Post #1840 (isolation #211) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:56 pm
Postby Dwlee99 »
But being confident is just a game by game thing so I'm not really sure what you should do with this.
LN 233 had me super confident two days before ELO
Chrono trigger I had some confidence the last day
Tic-tac-toe I was screaming at town to do something we did not do and lost cause of it
MBOS you were there and I was very insistent on RCE/Ari and then T3.
2223 the ELO I was very confident math was scum by the end.
Cult game I was saying who the CL was and no one listened to me.
Hydra micro day before ELO I was very insistent that gypyx needed death and it took til ELO to get him voted out.
2214 was me flubbing ELO bad oops that game started in may though so I was still warming up.
White flag I wasn't super confident at the end but I did have a tell on enchant/GL and then said I thought one of enchant/NM had scum.
My scum ELOs attempt to mimic my town ones. 2216 I was playing more like my earlier minis where I was just trying to figure things out (which I do as town too so) and King's new robes was more aggressive but still kind of trying to give off uninformed vibes.
In post 1698, Alisae wrote:i'm not buyin IV
and I'm not buyin it's Datisi
only 1 option left really
In post 1700, Alisae wrote:I think Datisi is town based on my conversation with him on D2. They strongly believed it was not Save the Dragons for reasons that were good and when I asked them "who dun it" it seemed like they just didn't know since we talked about IV prior. I genuinely believe he didn't know anything. Very hard to fake.
I don't buy that IV's actions come from scum. Period. End of discussion there. And honestly even if they do, I will give Datisi his win. He deserves it. His actions during the duration of the game compared to the events that happened in the game do not match with what scum wants to be doing. It's much more likely the guy just doesn't know anything.
Both of the players above if scum consider me fooled.
I have a really hard time seeing ur actions based on this day phase alone as villagery.
I can sense the unease you feel knowing that you just played right into my hands.
I can sense the danger you feel as you as you quickly switch your target from IV to me knowing that IV might just not be possible.
In post 1701, Alisae wrote:I think ur push on IV comes from scum. That's about it really
In post 1703, Alisae wrote:that's really cute that you think you have any authority in deciding that
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Post #1844 (isolation #213) » Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:29 pm
Postby Dwlee99 »
And you can say I'm taking charge and pushing a narrative but that doesn't change my alignment soooo
In post 2439, Dwlee99 wrote:Anyway I'm claiming my action last because I think I'm the most obviously town here. It's ELO, don't just vote willy nilly etc.
People called this scummy cause I was trying to take charge and lead us to victory in an ELO where all scum were in my bottom four. Dead chat thought I was scum but I was winning the game for us
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Post #1869 (isolation #221) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:29 am
Postby Dwlee99 »
It's not word twisting. It's pointing out that if someone is "sure" of something but turns out to be wrong, it becomes more likely they were pretending to be sure.
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Post #1871 (isolation #222) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:32 am
Postby Dwlee99 »
A "sure" tone is also completely incongruent with the content + read progression that he has. The content of the posts is that he wants me dead through process of elimination, but the tone is that he caught something that must mean I'm scum. A content + tone incongruency is extremely scummy there
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Post #1872 (isolation #223) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:36 am
Postby Dwlee99 »
In post 1801, Alisae wrote:Jailkeeper target should be on the player we want to clear tomorrow.
I would rather kill Dwlee than clear him tomorrow because Dwlee's play seems textbook scummy based on this phase alone. It seems like he is playing as I think scum would play right now if scum is trying to win the game.
I don't care who gets jailkept as long as it's not Dwlee
Do these reasons feel like they match the sureness presented in that sequence?
"Playing as I think scum would play right now if scum is trying to win the game" aka pushing my reads and trying to solve. He thinks scum would try to develop reads and push them to win, and therefore I'm scum. When that's also exactly what town do to try to win? The whole game? The reasons don't match the confidence at all
In post 779, Dwlee99 wrote:The most manufactured scumread I think I've seen. Scumreads me for post size when they do the same sort of posts as me.
Yeah I'm about to churn out buckets of content you're hanging back and lightly poking at things. Considering how briefly I've been in thread I don't believe this is real at all.
In post 779, Dwlee99 wrote:The most manufactured scumread I think I've seen. Scumreads me for post size when they do the same sort of posts as me.
Yeah I'm about to churn out buckets of content you're hanging back and lightly poking at things. Considering how briefly I've been in thread I don't believe this is real at all.
You said you read two pages lmfao
Actually I didn't read them I skimmed then without reading barely anything. And you're omgusing me. Before I even make real reads. Cause you're a wolf
In post 841, goats wrote:Dwlee do you have a read on my posts that isn't "they wolf read me!"
In post 856, Dwlee99 wrote:You avoided the game for multiple RL days how is that town indicative for you here
I'm not interested in arguing with a wolf who is invested in disagreement
In post 955, goats wrote:didn't talk about Dwlee as my position is out there and already obvious, but I still think everything they're doing is just wolfy, lmao. I'll case them later if necessary but for right now I'm not too interested in doing that
In post 1064, goats wrote:Dwlee, my read on you was literally as cursory as it gets. I'm not wolf reading you for having short posts. I'm wolf reading you for having bad posts and reads now. Like for example still being stuck on my literal entry to the thread and having absolutely nothing to say about anything I posted after that fact. This is Esooa btw, and I've read nothing but this page and am going to leave again now
Dwlee is a wolf
In post 1074, goats wrote:We can just vote off Dwlee I'm annoyed his responses are so bad so I changed my mind and am leaving
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Post #1886 (isolation #226) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:08 am
Postby Dwlee99 »
In post 1883, innocentvillager wrote:Dwlee I think Ali also could be colored by him doubly believing me at Datisi are town he has stated this many times
so the sureness could be the scum reasons he posits and the PoE on me and Datisi
i get what ur saying but it doesn’t necessarily feel incongruent to me
Okay but I'm town so that doesn't leave room for you and Datisi and Alisae town
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Post #1887 (isolation #227) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:11 am
Postby Dwlee99 »
You really need to provide better reasons for it not being incongruent than "well maybe he is sure on the PoE" because I feel like I've explained why that isn't an explanation for it. And I feel like we are going in circles where I'm like this thing is bad here is why and then you and Datisi do this big stretch of like well maybe it comes from town possibly. Any post could come from any alignment theoretically but I'm very sure this is scum
In post 1871, Dwlee99 wrote:A "sure" tone is also completely incongruent with the content + read progression that he has. The content of the posts is that he wants me dead through process of elimination, but the tone is that he caught something that must mean I'm scum. A content + tone incongruency is extremely scummy there
i'm sorry i just don't get it? like i don't get how that tone must mean "i saw something dwlee did and that is scummy so they're scum" versus "i have townreads on the two other people, and dwlee is posting now and i think they're scum"
like idk i just don't see how those posts necessarily mean "i saw a specific thing that made me scumread dwlee"?
Reread the posts. They aren't "Idk I just think you're scum cause PoE" vibes. They're "wow you're so obviously scum haha die now"
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Post #1904 (isolation #232) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:34 am
Postby Dwlee99 »
The timeline on Ali pushing me is I case IV -> Ali goes for my neck. I think Ali was hoping I push IV and then I get slimmed and then they eliminate IV tomorrow for the win based on my push.
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Post #1908 (isolation #235) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:44 am
Postby Dwlee99 »
In post 1801, Alisae wrote:Jailkeeper target should be on the player we want to clear tomorrow.
I would rather kill Dwlee than clear him tomorrow because Dwlee's play seems textbook scummy based on this phase alone. It seems like he is playing as I think scum would play right now if scum is trying to win the game.
I don't care who gets jailkept as long as it's not Dwlee
Meanwhile Alisae doesn't want me jailkept because I'm the only seriously scumreading him other than now Gamma
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Post #1909 (isolation #236) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:50 am
Postby Dwlee99 »
This is WIFOMy because it's the exact argument you made in MBOS and I could have done this specifically to appeal to it, but Alisae was the universal townread so why would I as scum attack the highest townread
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Post #1944 (isolation #239) » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:43 pm
Postby Dwlee99 »
One day I'll catalog my games and I'll see if I actually had good games in a row or if I'm just picking the ones I remember because I remember them being good but also I think it might just be I roll town a lot and site meta is town sided rn so I'm more likely to win