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In post 45, DkKoba wrote:dwlee u will never accuratrly read me on d1 i promise u that.
I say that since fmpov no matter your alignment you csn still be hunting for a scum here and i assume your read is genuine town or not
Okay but if I can flip a coin and be right then I'm willing to think anything that tips it one way should make my read >50%
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Post #113 (isolation #3) » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:59 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 53, DkKoba wrote:I think your posts are half hearted and trying to deflect my intent to push you for what i believe are reasonable reasons based on past meta experience - and i find some of your dishonesty about said meta to be pinging too.
(:
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Post #114 (isolation #4) » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:59 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 53, DkKoba wrote:I think your posts are half hearted and trying to deflect my intent to push you for what i believe are reasonable reasons based on past meta experience - and i find some of your dishonesty about said meta to be pinging too.
(:
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Post #115 (isolation #5) » Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:06 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 91, DkKoba wrote:How much i read is always a secret until i reveal i know said info :3 generally i am always up to date in any game i am in from the start though.
I think i wanna pry into bulge a little more when theyre around again
Hockey i wanna bin town for now tho i would never bet my life on any read i make on that slot. I BELIEVE IN TOWN HOCKEY
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Post #180 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:36 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 165, Bell wrote:Dwlee is weird every game, but always weird in different ways. This game is no exception, they’re weird here.
Can’t tell if scum. Personally think they’re more engaged than usual. But they also aren’t hesitating as much as I would expect.
This is a great example of what I don't like about your posts, they're extremely careful and caveated.
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Post #182 (isolation #14) » Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:43 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 177, The Bulge wrote:for godfathers i'm looking for meekness and/or forced bravado, in general. dwlee looks hesitant to engage meaningfully with the game, but they know they can't just go ghost and risk drawing gf suspicion for inactivity. their only real game-related comment (aside from the shaky koba read) is a tiny little suggestion of hockeyfan scum, which even on its own i don't like. the worm is a shtick but it still fits the bill for leaning on it to force content.
kcda and vander both voted obvtown hockeyfan and kcda's framing in particular was gross. actually looking it over this is making me think kcda/dr worm is a more likely pair than not. looking over vander's iso there's actually not a lot else here I hate but I still like my solve.
I don't agree that hockey is obvtown, but I would have made my retaliation vote there as any alignment.
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Post #185 (isolation #16) » Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:45 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 179, The Bulge wrote:kcda easily the scummiest of the bunch, then dwlee>worm>vander. and yea i wouldn't sub in any other player atm so this is my Bible for now
How does enchant not make the cut?
They came in to give no content at all, all they've given is the anti-town-to-suggest and imo inaccurate mechanical opinion that scum should be pushing to kill town.
In post 165, Bell wrote:Dwlee is weird every game, but always weird in different ways. This game is no exception, they’re weird here.
Can’t tell if scum. Personally think they’re more engaged than usual. But they also aren’t hesitating as much as I would expect.
This is a great example of what I don't like about your posts, they're extremely careful and caveated.
That’s me, yeah.
You never give confident opinions as either alignment?
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Post #206 (isolation #19) » Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:31 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 202, Kcdaspot wrote:Vander reading null, and can help me by giving an opinion on Hockeyfan. any metric you like
I dislike hockey saying that dwlee/koba/bell we're all town because from their pov that should be very unlikely, and hockey should have pretty good reasoning to think that's true, which I didn't get from anything hockey or those three said.
I don't hate it but I definitely didn't like it.
In post 202, Kcdaspot wrote:Vander reading null, and can help me by giving an opinion on Hockeyfan. any metric you like
I dislike hockey saying that dwlee/koba/bell we're all town because from their pov that should be very unlikely, and hockey should have pretty good reasoning to think that's true, which I didn't get from anything hockey or those three said.
I don't hate it but I definitely didn't like it.
its mianly based on tone/gut def not concrete yet. Im starting to not like Kcda anymore tho lol
What does not liking kdca have to do with it?
I'm talking about when you said you thought dwlee/koba/bell were all town.
In post 179, The Bulge wrote:kcda easily the scummiest of the bunch, then dwlee>worm>vander. and yea i wouldn't sub in any other player atm so this is my Bible for now
How does enchant not make the cut?
They came in to give no content at all, all they've given is the anti-town-to-suggest and imo inaccurate mechanical opinion that scum should be pushing to kill town.
Enchant would probably be the easiest slot to slot in there, yea. now who are you to question my piety?
I'm Vanderscamp!
I'm just confused why you would say that you wouldn't sub anyone else into those four, implying that you read all of those people as significantly scummier than enchant, who I feel has given very poor contributions so far.
Like, was my retaliate RVS vote on someone you feel is obv town really enough to make you that confident with me being scum over Enchant? Because I don't really buy that level of confidence.
In post 192, Kcdaspot wrote:Yo dwlee's iso is so bad... I think i found a goon in them. I'm mainly looking at the quick turn in posts 64 and 67
cuz of this i think koba is town... I dont think you interact with your GF that much.
I am not voting a goon d1. I want a GF. gimme some time peeps.
You're really giving a read that someone is town because they're not aligned with someone you think is scum?
For serious?
i'd like to see your follow-up to this
if they were a bit more in line with each other i'd be inclined to think otherwise... i just dont think koba is maf aligned because thier interactions toward dwlee are geniunely townleaning. you dont try that as scum unless you are confident and you have that as a specific gameplan and EVEN then it's hard to fake. trust, i've tried.
i dont see someone aligned with oppo-maf acting like this either, and so, town
It's my opinion that there's nothing at all stopping mafia from pushing on people they think are mafia to try to eliminate the opposing mafia team, and I think this is probably their best game plan.
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Post #234 (isolation #26) » Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:11 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
Even if you do disagree with it, btw, do you agree that it's possible that some scum who disagree with you might genuinely be pushing on people they think are mafia?
In post 251, Dr Worm wrote:BELLL and KOBA both have FAKE PERSONALITIES
My brain not sure if SCUMZ or just get jollies from being COOOOL INTRENET DUDES??
I don't really consider this side of me as fake. /:
Is this your way of saying that you don't have a read on either of us?
I understand where they're coming from with this read, you sound overly cautious and Koba sounds overly confident in a way that seems unlikely to be how either of you actually behave IRL.
I'm not sold on it being AI.
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Post #267 (isolation #29) » Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:43 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 264, Bell wrote:Do you normally try to sort people on tone?
Hockey doesn't sound like town or scum to me. I'm remarkably neutral on them, with one or two pings up and down.
I don't think it's remarkable how neutral hockey sounds, they haven't really said much noteworthy and I'm still interested why they're supposed to be obviously town.
I'm glad about that vc cuz if i didnt wait i'd be on a wagon with bulge which im uncomfortable with.
Yeah, I don't agree, but your reasoning is believable.
Your reasoning seems to basically be "I have a lot of difficulty hunting genuinely for scum when I'm scum," I think it's likely that you believe this and it's possible you believe other people are like that as well.
I'm glad about that vc cuz if i didnt wait i'd be on a wagon with bulge which im uncomfortable with.
Yeah, I don't agree, but your reasoning is believable.
Your reasoning seems to basically be "I have a lot of difficulty hunting genuinely for scum when I'm scum," I think it's likely that you believe this and it's possible you believe other people are like that as well.
you need a mindset, like you need to be built different to pull it off.
I think you just need to recognise as scum that you should be incentivized to hunt other scum and be genuine about it!
I'm very happy to try to help scum succeed in this endeavor.
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Post #293 (isolation #33) » Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:34 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 291, Bell wrote:Ouch, I can confirm that I am *super* lonely.
Can confirm that Koba and I are both try hards. Though, I'm only a try hard as town to my detriment.
I heard Koba has a special someone, but who knows how that's going!
Okay so you have us both down as try hards and think we're playing like goons? Do I even want to know the rationale there?
Eh. Sure. Explain it please.
In post 291, Bell wrote:Ouch, I can confirm that I am *super* lonely.
Can confirm that Koba and I are both try hards. Though, I'm only a try hard as town to my detriment.
I heard Koba has a special someone, but who knows how that's going!
Okay so you have us both down as try hards and think we're playing like goons? Do I even want to know the rationale there?
Eh. Sure. Explain it please.
reactions to the thread are natural and clear-cut. no agenda. pure tone. good vibes.
Someone asked about my follow up to this I think, I don't have anything to say about this either, it's the same kind of meaningless reasoning that can be genuine but also doesn't get me anywhere.
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Post #355 (isolation #36) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:27 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 308, The Bulge wrote:the wording of the original statement really looks like it's specifically because koba and dwlee don't seem aligned. if we're supposed to take 225 and 240 at face value, why didn't a hint of any of that reasoning make the cut in the first place?
I think there's a reasonable chance that kdca's post there is a semi-slip that comes from kdca knowing one half of the mafia team, having a genuine godfather read and knowing from that extra info that koba has to be town if they're not aligned with that particular godfather.
In post 202, Kcdaspot wrote:Vander reading null, and can help me by giving an opinion on Hockeyfan. any metric you like
I dislike hockey saying that dwlee/koba/bell we're all town because from their pov that should be very unlikely, and hockey should have pretty good reasoning to think that's true, which I didn't get from anything hockey or those three said.
I don't hate it but I definitely didn't like it.
its mianly based on tone/gut def not concrete yet. Im starting to not like Kcda anymore tho lol
Wait you thought me/koba/bell were all town AND that kdca was town?
strongly dislike this post as well. what is your point? where are you going with this, and why don't you just say it? also, why haven't you interacted with me or defended yourself?
If hockey thinks that then that'd be literally the entire town from hockey's pov which just seems pretty unlikely at this stage. Especially when I don't feel kcda is all that townie
unlikely how? unlikely that a townie would correctly identify the other townies so early? or unlikely that hockeyfan has that many townreads?
This was my read too, it's unlikely because this game has a relatively very small number of townies and relatively very large number of scum, so giving random reads of "these people are all town" should mean that you need to be a lot more confident in that than usual.
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Post #365 (isolation #42) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:43 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 362, DkKoba wrote:since i dont really care whos aligned with who without any scum flips at all here's a list of people from how much i think they're town to not town
DkKoba
Vanderscamp
Bell
HockeyFan
The Bulge
Dwlee99
Kcdaspot
Enchant
Dr Worm
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Post #413 (isolation #44) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:25 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 386, Bell wrote:You're perspective taking from the pov of mafia in a super nuanced way. It's one thing to hypothesize another's perspective, but it's another to actually put that perspective taking into practice. I didn't even occur to me that scum might dismiss certain players as town because they can't be partnered with another player.
I've played several hundred games!
It didn't immediately come to me and I'm not sure I fully believe it but it definitely makes sense why they'd give such a bad read.
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Post #414 (isolation #45) » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:26 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 390, Bell wrote:Then again, I'm not really sure how far down the rabbit hole you have to go to catch scum in multiball. So maybe, eh.
I've been ignoring the gf/thug argument because it's just not something you can differentiate. Or rather, I've simply given up on ever being able to accurately tell the difference.
Yeah I don't care about this at all, it's one thing in a game with NKs but here's it's just completely meaningless even if we knew this stuff for a fact.
In post 375, HockeyFan wrote:disagre on the worm sus but im down to kill anyone else on your list
towncase him then
Thier whole thread presence feels like town imo, they're very nonchalant about getting sussed which i think comes from town cuz A. they can just kill thier sus B. this setup is a bit swingier from mafias side
Also, posts like 251 and 289 allude to the points above(Bell and Koba werent being sussed a lot so throwing a read like that out there also comes from town)
