on one hand i know for sure that you are better at mech/setup spec than me so i should assume that you know what you're doing when you say that you think thats the only plausible use for it
but on the other hand i kinda think it might not be
In post 1382, Prism wrote:...I don't disagree with the mech solution, but how did I dip off on solving? I literally spent yesterday tracking through multiple players, and 180'd on my biggest scumread. I threw in the towel at that point because God help me if I go back through again though, yeah.
I need to reread some of your stuff from yesterday, because I'll level with you fam, I didn't have the energy to track that and catch up on 10+ pages here.
In an ethereal way, I don't see a main thrust to your solving since the Ari fight, but I could have missed something. (And yes I saw you and Datisi going at it, but that wasn't hooking me and I think datisi is town)
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Post #1404 (isolation #209) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:11 am
Postby Aristeia »
In post 1401, Prism wrote:Either of those flipping town is straight speedrunning it straight to ELO and what makes Aristeia's reaction so funny is not just the hilarity of shared clownship, but that I literally have a single townread on me, everyone else scumleans me or is fencesitting and I am practically an inevitable flip.
In post 1386, Aristeia wrote:name one thing Prism has done that is town indicative
- the whole mechanics thing i dont find as a convincing reason to scumread her (this isnt a townread, just dont think its a reason to scumread either)
- not sure she's *so* open about what she's be doing here as scum. This sort of ties in with 'more free-wheeling / wild than i'd expect her to be as scum here' kinda expect her to be more circumspect, precise, and planned out
- idk if she's so chill r.e. gettinf flipped today as scum. She's said multiple times she expects to get flipped and not endgame, and idk if scum is so cavalier about that
- why does she completely back off her scumread on me?
what does she have to lose for backing off a scumread?
are you a viable elim at the time when she performs her reflective stepback?
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Post #1442 (isolation #213) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:48 am
Postby Aristeia »
for example
you were being pushed
you were close to being elimmed
despite you being close to being elimmed you steadfastly clung on to your townread of prism for questionable reasons despite prism being a viable alternative and you were saying to look at datisi/vpb post your flip tomm
that is an example of an inconvenient townread.
Prism doing a reflective stepback on your slot when you are not even viable is not a good reason to townread Prism because she loses absolutely nothing for making such a move.
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Post #1482 (isolation #221) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:23 am
Postby Aristeia »
In post 1478, VP Baltar wrote:I don't need to interact with datisi to see into his soul with laser focus. It's my one special power. I hear his intentions in my brain, like a low frequency gravity wave.
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Post #1489 (isolation #226) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:27 am
Postby Aristeia »
like you could swear on your honor that you will pursue Prism tomm but when the dawn comes I'll be dead and she'll rip your head off and turn you into a sock puppet.
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Post #1506 (isolation #230) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:46 am
Postby Aristeia »
In post 1502, skitter30 wrote:And i would argue that 'lowkey encouraging their own flip and doing nothing to prevent it disadvantages their wincon significantly'
this is only true if she actually flips.
if people townread her for it then it is positive for scum win condition.
why don't you think about whether it makes sense for town!her to do this if you think she actually wants to get flipped here.
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Post #1510 (isolation #231) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:52 am
Postby Aristeia »
In post 1508, skitter30 wrote:Right but it has the distinct downfall of, you know, actually leading to her getting flipped, which would be p bad for her as scum and she's *dong nothing to prevent that'
Whereas if town-her thinks its inevitable.... i can see this pretty easily
Skitter she hasn't been flipped in five years do you really think town!her thinks this is the day it's inevitable.
In post 950, Datisi wrote:i don't really care about the mechanical arguments for prism being scum, because i am one of those mods that consistently puts nonsense into my setups to fuck with setup specc so i am naturally not willing to policy someone for an ascetic claim on d1 just because we apparently also have a mailman
I actually think Ari's point is kind of convincing. Like, yes, mods can fuck with setups to avoid specc, but also there isn't a lot of wiggle room in a micro to troll either side.
this is concerning because you alswsyd said you don't know shit about fuck about mech so what te fuck
It's not my theory. Just saying it is a logical and convincing argument.
so convincing that you ignored it until you actually got heat on yourself.
In post 1554, Aristeia wrote:(2) if prism is scum, fire!scum probly doesn't defend prism by trying to chainsaw VPB because Prism would've told him to fuck off in the scum PT.
(3) I've read his scum game and it's p bad.
These points don't seem in conflict
You've spent a week with Prism in the scum PT does she really look like the person who's going to be cool with her partner doing some half assed chainsaw defense.
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Post #1587 (isolation #249) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:44 pm
Postby Aristeia »
In post 1581, Datisi wrote:like oh someone thinks these two people are scummy but did not analyzse their interactions in between them so scum
someone called a 1v1 what isn't technically a 1v1 so *radio static* NO TOWN THOUGHT PROCESS
i know there's like no backing for this and people will yell at me but for the time being at least i will vote
and the pedit tells me prism is about to yell at me
I think his point is that it's not so much a 1v1 in that VPB is pushing Prism and Prism is pushing VPB as it is that there is a group of people pushing Prism!scum (Mainly Me/Dwlee) and a group of people pushing VPB!scum (Mainly FireisRedSir)
By setting it up as a dichotomy - he is trying to create an either/or situation - either Prism is scum or VPB is scum because they think each other are scum.
However this is not really how the day evolved - what actually happened is that people wanted to kill VPB/Prism for being scummy independently of each other.
The reason setting up a 1v1 is scum!indicative when it's actually 2 independent wagons - is that it is trying to downplay the possibility of a Prism - Baltar scum team and actually trying to create a dichotomy where if one of them goes through - the other has room to maneuever later on.
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Post #1590 (isolation #250) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:45 pm
Postby Aristeia »
if you look at how VPB/Prism voted each other - it was as far as i remember on the same page and it looked very strange because niether of them really were into voting the other before it happened - it didn't look like something organic.
VPB literally only voted for Prism
after
VPB got pressure and Prism got vote #1 from Dwlee - it wasn't like VPB decided to pursue Prism on his own.
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Post #1595 (isolation #251) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:48 pm
Postby Aristeia »
In post 1593, Datisi wrote:the one sole scenario that that makes sense as being scum-indicative is if baltar abd prism are partners and baltar is trying to spew his buddy town after he flips (or trying to get himself spewed town)
and even that doesn't make complete total sense because then he'd be egging on scum scum wagons inseatd of trying to see if any other wagons happen to happen because towns are generally fucking stupid
and if he's scum with not prism then i genuinely see no scum!motivation in trying to lock a 1v1 in
so like
isk vp coul technically be scum but these arguments aint it fam
ok if fireisred is mafia
why is fireisred trying to persuade me from voting Prism!town instead of just sheeping me on the Prism vote?
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Post #1602 (isolation #252) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:51 pm
Postby Aristeia »
In post 1599, fireisredsir wrote:actually addendum i agree with ari's post until she reaches the conclusion. i think its scummy for vp even if prism isn't a partner, bc in the specific appeal to her in 1501 it looks like he is clumsily trying to imply that it is TvT which just doesn't really make any sense given his read progression up to that point
I agree it is scummy af for VPB regardless of Prism's alignment.
VPB has a lot of motivation to push prism there even if prism is town because it is a viable wagon that's not him.
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Post #1628 (isolation #259) » Tue Apr 19, 2022 1:15 pm
Postby Aristeia »
In post 1627, Prism wrote:I'm gonna nightkill you and 1v6 the rest of the table, with solely the power of my skitterpocket. You can no longer stop me, I have become too powerful.