Micro 1054 || Fuzzy Friends Coalition || Game Over!

[Aristeia]

fireisred sounds like he rolled mafia

VOTE: Dats <3

[Aristeia]

Ydra that stuffed lion is too cute <3

[Aristeia]

it is a fun idea!

[Aristeia]

if you try to distance from your partner I will know

[Aristeia]

Hi Fen pls carry me again ty

[Aristeia]

I prefer optimism

[Aristeia]

Hi Skitter!

[Aristeia]

btw 7 days for D1 is very short.

the ones that Datisi ran in the past are 18 Days for D1.

Ideally we should get the coalition finalized around Day 4, Day 5 at the latest to give us 48 hours at least for discussing an elimination if we fail.

[Aristeia]

ari, why do you think fire is mafia?

he feels more like stilted/awkward fire than just randomly letting it out fire.

[Aristeia]

did you roll town Dats?

[Aristeia]

I guess that would depend on how townie you are and whether you can read me correctly as townie in the next couple of days

[Aristeia]

I guess that would depend on how townie you are and whether you can read me correctly as townie in the next couple of days

why do already i feel like you are keeping your distance from me this game :<

I wouldn't want to be away from you regardless of my alignment <3

[Aristeia]

i'm town

i will try my best to be townie and to read four more people correctly so that we win with a successful coalition

will you be joining me?

1) first line is the same as the last game we played so nai because I told you I townread you for it last time

2) doesn't say much - actually a bit +scum because it feels like you're not very confident in your ability to towntell(which I guess is fair given your BUSY schedule these days) [Yes I townread you when you are more confident it's not fair I know]

3) this question is more about whether other people can correctly townread me and not something I have a lot of control over? I would certainly like to join you but you have a history of not being able to townread me when I'm town so I'm not sure how you are going to suddenly get better at figuring out this is my town game. Also I lowkey think you are somewhat scared of scum!me being in a coalition because scum!me is quite scary but I do assure you I am town because I only roll town .

[Aristeia]

Iirc he repped into that one.
Irrelephant isnt really a meta-based read, i kinda lowkey just wanted ro link that

~

And, well, why/how do you think ari is being weird here? (I'm assuming that's what ur insinuating at least)

kind of want to know why you think I'm being weird

[Aristeia]

Usually there's a lot of happy-heart-flirty vibes from your side
And dats not exactly responding in turn but playing along

This time feels a lot more stilted and forced. I'm not sure which of the 2 of you is the source of that

Like 37 -> 38 -> 47 feels really off, for example

oh I flirt directly with him on discord now because people complained it was too much during that mini normal

[Aristeia]

if you look at my iso during our last game together I also did not do as much flirting ^_^

[Aristeia]

Hi Mena!

nice to see you again hope you will not get mad at me this time <3

[Aristeia]

@ari:

i am under the impression that i've also had similar posts in the guardians game, especially wrt being sent to the minigame which requires voting town, but i might be misremembering. i'll check it later if i decide it's important enough

and i know the fact is whether you will be going onto the coalition is not solely your decision. but i asked a more open question like that because i thought that ari who wants to be in a coalition with me (which is what i'd expect if you're town) would be more interested in it / would respond more positively, and not in the hedgy and lowkey avoidant manner that you did

I guess I interpreted your question differently as in "do you think you will be townread enough to join me"

I don't think the "do you want to join me" question needs to be asked because of course I would love to join you dear.

[Aristeia]

I promise to be nice this game dear

[Aristeia]

if you look at my iso during our last game together I also did not do as much flirting ^_^

Iirc it went on longer than here

I mentioned Dats in the first post and didn't mention him again until like way way later

[Aristeia]

I don't think the "do you want to join me" question needs to be asked because of course I would love to join you dear.

i wanted to ask it without explicitly asking it because then you KNOW what response i am looking for

if you did think that i'm asking something else, then your response kind of makes sense?? i'll decide later

I didn't think I'd need to say it but;

it would make me really happy if we were both town and we are both on the winning coalition together and I have rolled town yet again so hopefully you also got your town role pm and we can get three more townies <3 you

[Aristeia]

I guess I don't like to set high expectations for good things happening because I'm scared of being disappointed and I'd be happy just talking with you even if we didn't get into the coalition and we did lose the game because I think the key to happiness is low expectations and yes I just like being with you it is enough to make me very happy.

[Aristeia]

Amd @ari fwiw it isnt inherenrly how much flirting etc there is, or over what timeframe its stretched over

But it feels like you jumped into 'serious' mode way faster than usual. And i think that's the bit that feels off to me

In our last game I began attacking Prism immediately at game start so why would that be strange to you?

[Aristeia]

I'm not sure skitter being wrong is necessarily scum!indicative for her tho

if anything I'd think scum!her would be more likely to check the previous game to make sure she was like actually right about the facts before engaging in this line of play.

[Aristeia]

also I kind of don't think scum!skitter directly comes at me this early >_>[if she did it just to get townread I guess I'm dumb]

[Aristeia]

can we just find 2 more townies and we won't have to vote anyone out

[Aristeia]

me you skitter

[Aristeia]

I have endless faith

[Aristeia]

maybe I'm just wrong too hehe

[Aristeia]

i *feel* like, if ari were scum, it doesn't make too much sense for her to see skitt attacking her and go "actually i will try to placate this fight by proposing a coalition of me skitt and dats, after skitt said she does not want neither me nor dats in the coalition"

like i know fighting with skitter is not Fun but this does not seem like a move scum makes because like, i don't feel like skitt would be very open to that idea

mmm this is wrong on every level.

(1) Scum!me would absolutely placate her at this point because it's much easier to 1v1 someone inside coalition after failure than someone outside coalition after failure because eliminations happen in the coalition.

(2) fighting with skitter is fun and I think I could pocket her as scum.

(3) <3 you Dats I still think you're town <3

[Aristeia]

I was just thinking that it would be really horrible if you were actually mafia and got me to trust you and then eliminate everyone else in the coalition besides you and then we had to 1v1 at elo it would be like a scary horror movie where you find out the killer is inside the house and I would have nightmares :<

[Aristeia]

i mean my point was moreso that if your goal was to placate skitter, then going "hey skitt, let's get you into a coalition with the two people that you do not want in a coalition" is like, not the most effective strategy

ok but proposing something that is unlikely to work is not particularly alignment indicative either way?

either she accepts and I get what I would want to happen as scum or she's like "nah" and I don't really lose anything?

[Aristeia]

I don't think planning ahead is my strong suit I am more of an impulsive person I try to stay in the moment.

can you carry me this game I am tempted to be lazy <3

[Aristeia]

@fire do you have thoughts about anyone else?

[Aristeia]

the difficult thing is that ari just has more of that energy in general in most games. but something about it here just feels more intentional somehow idk

I actually thought I was doing a decent job of exercising restraint hehe

[Aristeia]

I think fire is mafia and if he is on the coalition and it fails I will prefer to lim him

[Aristeia]

i guess that is the 3rd read i disagree with skitter about

[Aristeia]

fire and datisi

[Aristeia]

HEAL: save the dragons
HEAL: aristeia
HEAL: fireisredsir
HEAL: irrelephant11
HEAL: skitter30

my work here is done

You need to heal people who are willing to heal each other

I'm almost never going to heal fireisred and skitter is unlikely to heal me.

[Aristeia]

@Mena

I know this might be unfair but I somewhat miss this version of you:

viewtopic.php?p=11923981&user_select%5B ... #p11923981

you feel like you're just not as confident tonally and I hope you can become your radiant townie self if you are town here.

[Aristeia]

why do you think you have a better read on fire than I do ?

[Aristeia]

he doesn't feel like his townie self, the 2nd post asking if we should rvs coalition vote felt overly cautious for something that isn't serious.

I think if he's town he just does it rather than asks about it.

His town games are by comparison sharper and he gives a lot more content - here he feels like he's not doing very much.

I didn't like that he didn't give me any pushback to scumreading him at all because I think town!him would wonder why I'm misreading him right away but scum!him might feel more scared and fearful of engaging immediately.

[Aristeia]

like I would've townread an opening from him like "HEAL: 5 random names here and it said he hopes he gets lucky or w/e"

but when he asks about whether it's a good idea it feels like it's just asking a pointless question to break the ice because he's not comfortable.

[Aristeia]

i have a gut feeling he's town

did i convince you

not really :<

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: fire's read of skitter this game

early vibes are slightly good for skitter bc i had generally similar reactions as she did as i was reading along and idk the way she's going about things reminds me a lil more of town skitter

Spoiler: fire's read of skitter last game(they were t-t)

VOTE: skitter

she's always maf

nvm skitter used the word ping she is conftown

[Aristeia]

it would actually be hilarious if fire not using the "ping" tell on skitter is scum!indicative for him

[Aristeia]

but i like the tone of their posts

i kind of hard disagree with this because tonally he is very much a crazy thoughtspewer when he's town

like he just throws everything out there.

and here he's just not doing that.

[Aristeia]

if you try to distance from your partner I will know

like this is something I said to him as a reaction test.

because he's seen me as town find scum very quickly - tunnel hard and then use found scum to find scum partner before.

so scum!him would be worried and maybe feel reticent about posting - whereas town!him would just ignore it since there is no partner to find and he's not flipping scum anyway.

and his reaction was to more or less shut up and not post very much at all. he's not healing, he's not sorting, he's kind of just antispewing atp which isn't really how town!him plays.

[Aristeia]

I am being way too hard on him.

it could be that he's just busy today cuz holiday and he will come back and towntell his butt off tomm

I am hopeful.

[Aristeia]

@ari why do u think fire gives me a townread and hedges a scumread on you
Kf anything i kinda feel like scum-him would do the opposite
(I am very prone to getting pocketed, yes yes yes)

why would scum!him throw me a townread when he saw it not work out for Prism at all?

scum throw people townreads if they think the townread will get them to stop attacking or position themselves better in the 1v1.

throwing me a townread will just handcuff himself from a discred/attacking me as mafia esp if other people townread him.

[Aristeia]

but he doesn't really have a choice about 1v1ing?

I'm not going to stop pushing him just because he townreads me so it makes sense for him to scumread me to discred my opinion of his alignment.

For him to townread me is just kind of amplifying my influence on maybe keeping him fof the coalition and tying his own hands from fighting back.

if the people who trust him do not believe me then it is not really a big deal what my read of him is and he can get by just ignoring it.

[Aristeia]

I didn't like that he didn't give me any pushback to scumreading him at all because I think town!him would wonder why I'm misreading him right away but scum!him might feel more scared and fearful of engaging immediately.

idk exactly how i responded to you misreading me in panic room but i feel like it was similar? except this time i find you more suspicious but thats unrelated i think. idk i don't usually push back that hard on people scumreading me in general

panic room was more cuz of the bella repout due to pressure from being a bomb theory then actually reading your play tho :<

[Aristeia]

I meant more as in confident in your abilities.

Also I don't think winning or losing is that important - you still played a very dashing game.

[Aristeia]

i would have a lot of fun as scum with dats actually

[Aristeia]

he is saying that I am ready to play either alignment but I have issues playing scum with him specifically as my partner because it is something with a low p-value and I have not done it before

its an interesting read.

[Aristeia]

i also don't think i am nearly as good as you think skitter - I just have more familiarity with some players than you do.

I am still quite bad at reading people that I don't have a lot of experience with. >_>

[Aristeia]

i dont really get the awkward read

he feels fine to me >_>

[Aristeia]

I guess the team I would like currently is

5 of

ari
skitter
irre
nk15
std
datisi

if thats what you were asking about.

[Aristeia]

if we're t-t i think its just my fault for being more restrained than usual I guess.

[Aristeia]

Like 37 -> 38 -> 47 feels really off, for example

It wasnt entirely you, was dats also. This whole sequence + extended dialogue felt weird

And tbf so does 253

Why are u townreading me again?

didnt we already have this conversation

[Aristeia]

also I kind of don't think scum!skitter directly comes at me this early >_>[if she did it just to get townread I guess I'm dumb]

Nah, i dont

[Aristeia]

ari
skitter
irre
nk15
std
datisi

hmm

don't think I like this list

at all

who do you scumread on the list?

[Aristeia]

i think he believed what he wrote about me

[Aristeia]

i might be biased about dats but i tend to townread him when he digs in on things in realtime

[Aristeia]

Ari do u think i ought to be townreading u?

well i do think im p townie but other people say im not so ~shrug~

[Aristeia]

I guess one way you could tell is that I'm trying to dial back on my thread presence because last time it was quite unpleasant for everyone that I was that loud and forceful and I wouldn't really exercise similar restraint if I'm mafia because I'd feel obligated to force my way into coalition whereas here I'm fine letting others lead.

[Aristeia]

yes I know that sounds silly given that I have the most posts but I really am trying to restrain myself more! >__< [which is also another reason you don't see like 200 posts from me flirting with Dats <3]

[Aristeia]

I don't really have any scum reads yet but I don't think that any of (you, skitt, dats, nk15, std) have done enough to warrant inclusion on the coalition yet, with a marginally lower objection to dats being there than anyone else

do you think any of mala/fire/you have done more than the people on my list?

[Aristeia]

I work with what I have.

TRs don't exist in a vacuum they are relative to what's happened so far.

If you don't like my list you should have a either a scumread on the list[someone you think is scum on the list for ____ reason] or you think i left someone out[you think player ___ is more deserving on being on my list for ___ reason]

It feels like your complaint is more about that my list is too early rather than any issue with the quality?

[Aristeia]

Hi Dats <3

[Aristeia]

I don't really have any scum reads yet but I don't think that any of (you, skitt, dats, nk15, std) have done enough to warrant inclusion on the coalition yet, with a marginally lower objection to dats being there than anyone else

do you think any of mala/fire/you have done more than the people on my list?

not really

hence why I don't like talking about a complete list at all

I'm responding to Irre asking me for my reads, he didn't like that I have no heals.

I did this to show where I am at in my current thought process. I don't have heals down because I don't feel finalized about anything and it's also a pain in the butt to heal people on mobile.

[Aristeia]

Hi Dats <3

hi ari <3

did you solve the game for me while i was gone? i wanna get carried again :>

I was actually hoping you could carry me this time so I could feel like a princess <3

[Aristeia]

Ugh dats feels scummy to me but its possible i just dont know how to read him >.>

maybe you're doing that trick where you push him to get me to townread him that you did in that large normal that I still have no idea how to counter :<

[Aristeia]

brain feels mushy I might just give up and let Fen or Irrel carry me because they sound like they know what they are doing hehe.

[Aristeia]

It feels like your complaint is more about that my list is too early rather than any issue with the quality?

to me they are one and the same

I guess Relly asking you to heal some people makes sense for producing it, but I guess I'm still confused by why those names vs any of the other three names when most names haven't really done anything yet to be worthy of inclusion

NK15 - I liked his thought about me being off balance because I am mafia with Datisi, I liked the singleminded focus on pushing that worldview - it feels like something he genuinely believes.

Relly - I don't really have any experience with him - he just feels tonally very townie and trying to move the game forward, just feels like he has takes and a natural progression that just clicks.

SaveTD - It's mostly the charisma. I liked that he's taking more of a leadership role and he's not trying to fade into the background.

Skitter - I guess I just don't think she engages with me this way as scum? It's a quite daring line of play and I think she would expect town!me to be able to figure out if she was faking suspicion of me because I am fairly decent at that and I'm somewhat ruthless so it could blow up for her. I don't think she needs to take such risks in this kind of game state.

Dats - I'm kind of biased here because it's Dats<3. I just feel like his thoughts flow in a very natural way and he doesn't feel uncomfortable to be present. I thought a lot of his posting as scum in the recently ended dance game felt like he couldn't wake to dip out of the thread and here he's just happy to mix it up with people.

[Aristeia]

I mean sure it makes sense to coalition 5 polarized players who are hard towntelling with high levels of certainty but we don't have that here.

you kind of have to work with what you have - not what you hope to have?

[Aristeia]

Yes, but that’s not why I’m asking

you're saying that skitter/I shouldn't included in a coalition because we're scary as scum players - but like you kind of have to have townie players to put in such a coalition in lieu of putting us for this plan to work?

otherwise you're just kind of policy-excluding us for being good at scum and that's kind of a silly thing.

[Aristeia]

I think mena is probably town

why? i don't necessarily disagree, but the timing of this makes me feel like you're townreading him for things i don't really think are town!indicative

Not sure i agree with that logic tho, i think you would like playing scum with dats

i would like for nk15 to actually elaborate on what he was saying in 236 because there's a townier and a scummier universe for 236, but i'm not inclined to ask specific questions and lead him to the answer

ok i'm gonna say
i think mena is town for 255

the post itself is nothing really special that's outside of mena's scumrange, but it kinda makes me think that his trajectory on skitter, doesn't like, make a ton of sense if he's scum

because i know mena has that way of treating skitter that's "town until proven otherwise" and that would work okay for this game, especially as skitt was already starting to think that mena's town. so this kinda "actually i don't want to vote skitter into the coalition if there's other people" feels like, not a necessary stance to take? like, if he's scum and he doesn't want skitter inside the coalition, i think he knows this kind of theoretical approach is not very likely to make people actually remove skitter from the coalition. it does however, risk people disliking him for trying to argue something like that about a person they think is town because he's basically saying "i don't have a scumread but let's still not" which has an obvious +scum potential so why does he do it, exactly

like, this does make sense if the team is exactly mena/skitt but if that's the team, the game was lost at rand and this all is just a formality so i will not worry about it yet

kind of sad you think mena+skitter would thoroughly stomp us :<

[Aristeia]

also I don't really agree on townreading someone off ineffectivie opposition because if you are scum and stuck outside coalition - you don't really have a choice about being oppositional to the coalition

regardless

if your partner is on the coalition or not on the coalition - it is simply good play to be oppositional period.

[Aristeia]

I don't know if aristeia and datisi both insist the other is being very towny then maybe I have to consider that they're aligned and if they're both going to put in so much effort to be team players (aristeia trying not to clog the thread, datisi double-checking whether I and the dragon are actually safe townreads) then maybe I shouldn't scumread them. Is that dumb? To townread people for towny things in this setup? My brain is hurting

pedit: It's funny every time

I recognize that I can be wrong about Dats because I tend to always end up townreading him. it's not something I mean to do - I really do think quite a lot about his alignment and I always just end up back at town for him >_>

[Aristeia]

I have now begun reading about elephant eyesight ty irre

[Aristeia]

maybe you should get some more rest dear <3

[Aristeia]

huh

I don't remember pushing Dats?

[Aristeia]

uh it wasn't triggering for me

he always tells me he's town and I always ask him anyway because I like asking him

[Aristeia]

I probably asked him the most times in this game:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

it is fun to ask him

[Aristeia]

Skitter if you reread their early game do you still think they’re being awkward in a scummy way

yeah (particularly 47) but not as bad as i did before
so maybe i'm just tunneled idk
i really don't like the context of 47 + it's surrounding dialogue tho

~
HURT: all
HEAL: mena
HEAL: std
VOTE: mala

47 was responding to 40 because I felt he had misunderstood my response to him.

I don't think I was ever pushing him this game? I'm confused where you're reading that I went into serious push mode vs him?

[Aristeia]

2 [Aristeia, Irrelephant11, Menalque, Save the Dragons, Skitter30] - Irrelephant11, Save the Dragons
1 [Fireisredsir, Irrelephant11, Menalque, Not Known 15, Skitter30] - Not Known 15
1 [Fireisredsir, Irrelephant11, Malakittens, Not Known 15, Skitter30] - Fireisredsir
1 [Aristeia, Datisi, Menalque, Skitter30] - Datisi
1 [Aristeia, Datisi, Skitter30] - Malakittens
1 [Irrelephant11, Menalque, Save the Dragons] - Skitter30

Yeet:
2 Skitter30 (Malakittens, Datisi)
2 Malakittens(Irrelephant11, Skitter30)
2 Datisi (Aristeia, Menalque)
1 Aristeia(Not Known 15)

2 Not Voting (Fireisredsir, Save the Dragons)


I think this is right don't yell at me if it's wrong :<

[Aristeia]

Totally unofficial heal count thing so far [probably meaningless]

8 - Skitter (Basically everyone except Menalque)
6 - Irrelephant11 (Aristeia, Irrelephant11, Fireisredsir, Not Known 15, Save the Dragons, Skitter30)
6 - Menalque (Datisi, Irrelephant11, Menalque, Not Known 15, Save the Dragons, Skitter30)
5 - Aristeia (Aristeia, Datisi, Irrelephant11, Malakittens, Save the Dragons)
4 - Save The Dragons (Aristeia, Not Known 15, Save the Dragons, Skitter30)
3 - Not Known 15 (Aristeia, Fireisredsir, Not Known 15)
3 - Datisi (Aristeia, Datisi, Malakittens)
2 - Fireisredsir (Fireisredsir, Not Known 15)
2 - Malakittens (Fireisredsir, Malakittens)

*Assuming everyone is ok with self healing and added my heals in of [ari, dats, nk15, std, irre, skitter]
**Yes I gave myself 6 heals deal with it :>

[Aristeia]

would you like to be dictator since you are widely townread?

[Aristeia]

I'd rather not play the elim portion of the d1 on a two day deadline

[Aristeia]

I guess dictator does have a bad connotation

how about designated town leader person

[Aristeia]

I think datisi is mad at my shading his slot in the same way I've seen happen many times when two people's playstyles don't gel (I think mine and Datisi's don't gel).

I'm over here like "I'll just play and push and pull and read and vote and see if I can achieve some stuff for town without breaking my back"
Datisi is like "Unwritten thoughts don't exist, therefore I will write all of mine and dislike any posts without every thought on paper"

And I poked at him a bit and he got mad in a self-righteous way I think is hard to fake as scum

like this just is pure scum tbh

can you elaborate on this read. why is it scumplay?

[Aristeia]

slept on it and it uh it feels like fire/mala scum makes sense and is the simplest explanation

[Aristeia]

mala feels like she doesn't really care about playing and demoralized and I dunno why it would make sense if she wasn't mafia here.

and fire feels like he's seeing ghosts or something ?

[Aristeia]

probly cuz I begged you on discord and you have trouble saying no to me <3

[Aristeia]

I think you're scumreading irrel for being performative but I'm not sure if being performative is AI for him.

I guess I tend to town read people who push things forward and re-evaluate when new information comes up.

[Aristeia]

hi irrel!!

why did you call me Irrel?

this is an example of an angleshooty townie post because I think he thinks at that moment in time maybe you heard someone refer to him as irrel in a scum pt and it struck him as weird you referred to him that way.

a lot of his thoughts are angleshooty in a townie way but I guess if he's good at faking angleshooty thoughts then maybe this is NAI for him?

I am kind of just going with a general profile of the player because I have no experience with him.

[Aristeia]

I have trouble believing that fire actually has 5 scumreads

[Aristeia]

well there's only 2 mafia players in the game so I'd think you'd be trying to figure out which of your scum reads are like actually scum?

also I'm not even sure what your actual reasoning is for each of your scumreads and they feel kind of fluffy and ephemeral. You don't really sit down and write out why you think I'm mafia etc.

STD is just vibes afair and Irrel is kind of just echoing what Dats said.

You dropped mala from your heal list but shaded irrel/me when she's playing in a way similar to her scum meta but didn't mention her until later.

It just feels not very thought out?

Who's your strongest scumread that you would 100% not want to be on the coalition and why?

[Aristeia]

I mean it's nonsensical because he's literally saying

I have these 5 scumreads

my priority is scumread ____ because he has the most heals and is most likely to be in the coalition.

except we are playing 9p so definitely one of his scumreads will make it into the coalition so like it seems just silly to be focussing on the one getting in when one will get in regardless? If fire doesn't get into coalition because he's not very trusted then two of his scumreads will have to get into the coalition because that's how numbers work.

I can understand his mindset if he's trying to find one scum to make sure doesn't get in because he thinks they are definitely scum because of ____ but targetting Irrel because he has the most heals out of anyone he's scumreading just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[Aristeia]

hi friends i'm done with over 2/3rds of my biology seminar are y'all proud of me

I am proud of you <3

[Aristeia]

Who's your strongest scumread that you would 100% not want to be on the coalition and why?

well im arguing hardest for irrel to be left out bc he is currently on a lot of people's heal lists and i think he shouldn't be. mala probably has a higher chance of being scum, i guess? but she's already off the lists so i don't really need to care about that rn.

std i feel like my gut read is comparably strong to my feelings on irrel but i feel less capable of putting words to it or justifying it since multiple people have kinda shut it down previously

This is what you wrote so though? You seem to care more about how many people are healing Irrel than why he must be mafia.

[Aristeia]

i don't understand what that has to do with you falsely claiming that i have 5 scumreads, but ok, we can talk about this instead if you want to

mala... prob just is scum

nk15... wouldn't be too unhappy with him being left out

ari slightly on the scummy side

irrel and std i want out

you think 5 of us are scum?

I interpreted the part that Irrel quoted as saying you have 5 scumreads

[Aristeia]

i think it is more important for me to spent my energy on irrel bc if i am right and he is scum then the coalition will likely fail bc most people townread him. if i am right and mala is scum then... i don't have to do anything, bc she is already being left out. this doesn't mean that the number of heals on him makes him more likely to be scum, or that i care about that more, it just affects where i think it is worth discussing

im not really sure what your point is here tbh, maybe im missing what you're saying

I mean like you want a bunch of people out of coalition

and when I ask you which is the most important scumread to you

you say irrel because he has the most heals.

But like you have to include someone in your list of people you want out because your list is literally too big - so at least one on your list has to make it in, hence like why your reason for focusing on Irrel due to viability not really making sense to me.


Like to me if I have too many scumreads - I try to focus on which scumread I am more sure of and focus on making sure they are not in the coalition. I don't focus on stopping whoever is most likely to get in because one person being left out just means his spot goes to someone else you don't want on.

[Aristeia]

but if my biggest scumread were someone who was relatively widely townread and it looked likely they would get in, i can understand being v. concerned around said scumread, because from my pov we wouldn't insta-win if they did indeed get in

ok but his explanation for why irrel is his biggest scumread is

because

he is likely to get in.

[Aristeia]

f it's irrel/std/mala left out then im happy.

ok this is kind of hard to get to because if we leave you/irrel/std/mala out and we try to go with mena/skitter/ari/dats/nk15 like um Nk15 is never going to vote for me or dats?

[Aristeia]

Who's your strongest scumread that you would 100% not want to be on the coalition and why?

well im arguing hardest for irrel to be left out bc he is currently on a lot of people's heal lists and i think he shouldn't be. mala probably has a higher chance of being scum, i guess? but she's already off the lists so i don't really need to care about that rn.

std i feel like my gut read is comparably strong to my feelings on irrel but i feel less capable of putting words to it or justifying it since multiple people have kinda shut it down previously

[Aristeia]

ok can you write out the scumcase for irrel again cuz I guess I kind of just missed it then. or you can just like quote it for me if you have it down somewhere.

[Aristeia]

Who's your strongest scumread that you would 100% not want to be on the coalition and why?

well im arguing hardest for irrel to be left out bc he is currently on a lot of people's heal lists and i think he shouldn't be. mala probably has a higher chance of being scum, i guess? but she's already off the lists so i don't really need to care about that rn.

std i feel like my gut read is comparably strong to my feelings on irrel but i feel less capable of putting words to it or justifying it since multiple people have kinda shut it down previously

I kind of thought 466 was me asking you who is scum and why and 469 you were answering me irrel becuz he's being healed by a lot of people.

[Aristeia]

mb fire's just right i dunno now :<

i'll be happy to sheep whatever you decide to skitter <3

brain feel mushy

also would prefer we get a decision in b4 we get 3 days on the clock.

[Aristeia]

is there anyone who should be there that isn't / do you strongly oppose to any of these?

I don't have any objections to that.

I think you probably have a better read on mena than I do.

[Aristeia]

it's ok

[Aristeia]

ari i would like your thoughts on std if you have them

you said earlier you thought he was taking more of a leadership role this game, both me and skitter disagree with that. do you still feel that way?

well earlier he was doing more and now he's doing not as much but that doesn't like really change how I felt about him earlier?

I dun see why scum!him would heal you in response to me expressing suspicion of you on p1 and then try to get me to include you in a coalition it just feels counterintuitive to me.

[Aristeia]

I have some thoughts on where to push if your coalition fails skitts.

I think its probly best to consolidate and push something through rather than keep waiting?

best case scenario maybe your coalition works and we just win

[Aristeia]

on reflection, i could probably add ari on the condition that if she doesn't like literally solve the game and is alive in elo she gets flipped
(again sorry <3 i have to cover my bases!)

hehe I might actually prefer being out of coalition so if it fails I can be conftowned since mala is probly almost always scum here

[Aristeia]

i'd ideally probably want some more time to ruminate but given that we're running low on time given everything we need to do i'm leaning towards me/dats/irrel/std/mena

what do you feel about this coalition skitter has proposed?

[Aristeia]

I mean like do you townread everyone in that coalition?

would you be excited to get it passed?

would you be ok getting yeeted off the face of the earth if it didn't pass?

you know important things.

also you can sheep her if you would like to get things moving

[Aristeia]

well you have 2 votes for yours now

if irrel switches (he should since his coalition is just yours with me instead of himself) that would make three.

I guess we can see where Datisi is at tomm and if he's ok with it I can hammer

[Aristeia]

I think only difference between Datisi's coalition and yours is that he has me instead of SaveTD ?

[Aristeia]

i asked mod and she said deadline is just for the coalition portion so we can take the full 7 days bless.

[Aristeia]

talk to me mena

what do you want for the coalition rn?

[Aristeia]

I feel more uncertain than I have been

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats<3

how much do you want me in your coalition? I promise that I am town but I think I might be able to exert more influence off-coalition if there is a failure and I really don't feel comfortable getting pushed for having a good scum game.

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: for Dats<3

I promise that I am town but I think I might be able to exert more influence off-coalition if there is a failure and I really don't feel comfortable getting pushed for having a good scum game.

:<

from my experience playing and modding this setup, i feel like it's much more +ev for town to just add people who are town into the coalition rather than try to calculate an optimal coalition for solving the game for if/when it fails.

assuming me/skitt/mena/irrel will be 4/5, then it's a question who else to put in. say i can't put you in. mala and nk15 are out of the question. so it's between std and fire. looking at the vc last page, nobody is healing fire except for fire, and maybe i'm doing the same thing i did last game where town was just about to vote out scum!ceph and i tried to stop them because ??? because it would make sense for scum!fire to step on the gas if he's about to lose, but...

idk i didn't like the way std came around to a townread on me when i was starting to become a more popular townread while not engaging much with my points against him and bleh. if the majority of the game won't be changing their mind about possibly putting fire in rather than std (i say possibly because i haven't yet read fire's posts in depth to determine whether i actually wanna do that) then i'll vote ari out and vote std in because i don't have the time nor the energy to try to brute force things i myself am not sure about and that might be wrong.

but like, if there's a possibility that happens (i saw irrel talking about coming around to a townread on fire) and considering we'll get another 7 days after the coalition fails (assuming ari isn't lying about that because lol?) i think we can afford a day or two to just look at that possibility.

you are adorbs dats

I'll tell you something about this postgame <3

[Aristeia]

it is high level play

[Aristeia]

i do find myself townreading everyone who posts

i think you must all be great at posting

[Aristeia]

i actually feel better about mena

[Aristeia]

i was thinking maybe leave out mala/me/fire/std?

what do people think of that ?

[Aristeia]

gosh you see through my evil designs so quickly NK15

what am I going to do with you

[Aristeia]

It's not a high conviction read.

[Aristeia]

"i was thinking maybe leave out mala/me/fire/std?"

the way I'm approaching this - I don't really care much about being in the coalition as long as my scumreads are left off coalition.[As nice as it would be to flirt with Dats in a coalition together I won't be like heartbroken if I'm not on it and we win]

If I'm wrong I'll know when coalition fails and it's like a new game for me.

me and fire both kind of think mala is mafia which is why she's out.

I kind of still not sure about fire so I'm sitting out with him.[last night's posting was good but I suck at untunneling]

and fire thinks the mala partner is between irrel/std and I guess I kind of like the STD scumread better? I'm kind of just giving this to him cuz he wants it and I could be wrong on him.

[Aristeia]

I guess I could be ok with irrel instead of STD if that's what fire wants.

my brain is mushy on those two

[Aristeia]

cuz skitter/mena don't trust me and I don't deal well with being pushed

[Aristeia]

like I'm trying to win with what I think the scumteam is but also have missing not be as bad.

[Aristeia]

ok this might be a stupid read but

NK15 can only be scum imo with Datisi because NK15!scum loves to derptunnel his scum teammates.

I know I'm town and I think Dats is town so I guess that makes NK15 town.

it's a bad meta read wrapped in moonlogic I know :M

[Aristeia]

well if im right that you r mafia with mala the game is over and it doesnt matter that i let you pick the 4th person left out

and if im wrong then i want you to get a shot of winning the game for us.

[Aristeia]

i still kind of think you r mafia but i am less certain of it now.

[Aristeia]

<3 std hope everything is ok

[Aristeia]

I don't think so because Mala has fewer posts than the mod and she's highly polarized and doesn't really like playing scum role pms

[Aristeia]

ok if you're town can you like post stuff? :<

[Aristeia]

I don't think we have but I have read some of your games

[Aristeia]

He is correct in that if the coalition failed I'd probably want to flip his slot out of the five.

[Aristeia]

I do find it somewhat funny if Datisi is playing one of his best scumgames but just happens to be paired with a partner that gets joy out of derptunneling his partner for fun and trolling them.

Also it would be somewhat of a tragedy I would also feel quite bad for him <3

[Aristeia]

I can give you an example

[Aristeia]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86932

this is the iso of Peta where he breaks down how he felt NK15 played as scum:

viewtopic.php?t=86932&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

[Aristeia]

Archer
Saber
Shielder,Lancer,Rider,Ruler,Avenger,Foreigner
Caster,Beast
Berserker
Assassin
Alter Ego

VOTE: Saber

Archer
Ruler
Beast,Caster,Berserker
Shielder,Lancer,Rider,Avenger,Assassin
Saber
Foreigner
Alter Ego

VOTE: Servant Berserker

It seems like your entire readslist has flipped, can you explain what changed for each of-
Saber, Ruler, Beast, Caster, me, Assassin, and Foreigner?

A night of sleep and a fresh look at my reads.
Servant Ruler gave great reasons for many people. Ruler is terribly wrong on Ego, and the reasons for the reads on Ego, Rider and Lancer are too weak for me.
With these three, Saber, Foreigner and Alter Ego the rest of my reads indeed flipped. My reason to scumread Berserker was not as good as I thought yesterday. Caster looks more and more like a townie stumbling in the dark. Ruler is conditional on Saber and Foreigner being scum, but I believe that the POE of {Alter Ego, Foreigner, Saber} has three scum. That obviously leaves one scum but I am sure we can find that one eventually.

This was a post that made peta get quite upset because nk15's POE of three was literally all of his scum teammates.

[Aristeia]

not really. My scum game is brutal and merciless and not very funny.

[Aristeia]

which is why I wouldn't share this meta if I was his partner?

I'd probably just browbeat him into submission or ignore him.

[Aristeia]

I am a very serious person who rarely makes jokes but when I make jokes it will be quite obvious they are jokes.

[Aristeia]

I usually have fun unless I care too much.

If I care too much I will become extremely unfun.

but I did promise myself I wouldn't do that this game so it's unlikely to happen

[Aristeia]

anyway this is interesting. Honestly like 50-70% of my townread on datisi was that you and skitter both townread him (if one/two of you is town you're hopefully right, if you're both scummy mafs, well then by pure maths he's still town). I don't really wanntttt to reconsider my townread on datisi but good to know that I shouldn't assume NK15's potential scum partner is in the nullread pile he made

um you probably shouldn't rely on my townread of dats very much because I am very biased and I don't think I ever scumread him ~__~

like he's just so handsome how can you scumread that face with that smile.

[Aristeia]

am I the only one having fun??

i am having fun

god I will be so mad if you/dats did the same stupid theatre where you attack him to get me to defend him

again

amused but mad hehe

[Aristeia]

I'm not actually that sure if I am actually reading for his alignment rather than trying to find excuses to call him town :<

[Aristeia]

I would give it almost no weight at all tbh

[Aristeia]

but like if NK15 flipped scum I would definitely want to flip Dats as heartbreaking as that would be :[

[Aristeia]

was thinking maybe leave out mala/me/fire/std?

I find this interesting. I'm curious for fire to actually pick who he would remove from the coalition, and if it would be me like his previous reads would suggest. Seems risky to bet the game on NK15 being town, though. Like his potential partner could still be.... skitter, or menalque, or datisi, or even maybe std, really. And almost nothing rules him out as scum

from this one? i guess so, yeah. we're not betting the game on it tho, we're just betting not winning the d1 game. and if youre saying he can be partners with skitt/mena/datisi then leaving him out isn't like a lock anyway

well if we're lockscumming mala for not playing then he can't really be partners with anyone but mala?

[Aristeia]

I can give you a tip for reading me if you want skitter

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: sekrit ari reading tip just for skitter no peeking elephantman

Of my 11 games that I've played on this site I've never randed scum at start even once. [the only time I've actually played as mafia is when I rep'd into a game to flirt with Dats and that sucked a lot]

This game makes #12.

I can't be mafia because I am an angel

[Aristeia]

i have ari/irrel marked as unlikely in my logic puzzle grid but i was too dumb to write any notes of justification for it so i don't remember why (:

it must be my very smooth interactions with our favorite elephant and I don't bother to pocket my partners in thread usually.

[Aristeia]

mala feels like she doesn't really care about playing and demoralized and I dunno why it would make sense if she wasn't mafia here.

and fire feels like he's seeing ghosts or something ?

its funny.
how you act like you knoow me so well
but when i questioned if we ever played together and you go no

still sus 10/10

the games I am using for meta reference on you are:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89313 [Town Game]

and

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=89308 [Scum Game]

[Aristeia]

datis is prob town
ari feels town as well.

HEAL: datis
HEAL: ari

idk about skitter,
i'm very bad about reading std
i dont have much exp with fire

could you explain why you went from townreading me here to thinking I'm mafia now?

[Aristeia]

Your interactions are weird. Your tone is weird. Maybe its the vibes between u/dati i don't like. there's just something there I dont like and if one of you is scum you're gonna pocket each other and i'm just not about that life rn

can you cite some examples and walk me through your thought process on tone/interaction? which posts of mine gave you this idea?

[Aristeia]

in case you actually care enough to want to OPEEEEEEEEN YOUR HORIZONS to all of the games i played within in a year

which completed town game do you think most resembles your play in this game ?

[Aristeia]

Your interactions are weird. Your tone is weird. Maybe its the vibes between u/dati i don't like. there's just something there I dont like and if one of you is scum you're gonna pocket each other and i'm just not about that life rn

can you cite some examples and walk me through your thought process on tone/interaction? which posts of mine gave you this idea?

I'll skim your games later when I have time.

Can you please answer the above? ty

[Aristeia]

ok why do you hate it?

[Aristeia]

I don't see what you being pocketed has to do with me/datisi?

[Aristeia]

ok so which posts of mine/datisi's have made you come to the conclusion that we are S/T and one of us is pocketing the other?

[Aristeia]

it's fine I've heard worse

why do you have an issue with me scumreading you for inactivity but no issue with say fireisred who has a similar read on you?

[Aristeia]

mala has still done nothing really so she's a leave out and prob just is scum

here ^

[Aristeia]

ngl

i think i just vibbed with a nk town

i'm down for a {Skitter, irrel, NK, fire & me} I'm also ok with mena being in ←

scum is prob within {STD, Ari, Dat}

here fire ^

[Aristeia]

I guess I just find it weird you think my scum partner is Save the Dragons but you don't say it and instead have some round a bout way of saying one of me/dats is scum but you have a really bad feeling about me because I scumread you without having played a game with you and don't really mention anything I've done with SaveTD who is my partner?

[Aristeia]

you say you're fine with 6 people being healed and [std, me, dats] are all the scum but me/dats are s/t and SaveTD is partnered with one of us and also I give you very bad feelings.

But then your strongest SR should be SaveTD and not me.

It feels like you're flailing at me for ??? reasons instead of actually having a coherent thought process.

[Aristeia]

Kind of yea.

but she's making so little sense I am beginning to have some doubts >.>

this game gets much harder if she's actually town here.

[Aristeia]

aren't you glad it's your turn to carry me and not the other way around

[Aristeia]

This might be a weird thing to say but i lowkey feel like mala is trying to mimic my trajectory on u

it'd be so weird for her to do this because the posts you thought were awkward between me/datisi happened after she townread the two of us the first time so she can't actually produce anything to back up the read or mimic your trajectory :<

[Aristeia]

mala can you talk about why your nk read changed

its probably because he says me/dats r s/s and being weird and she supposedly has the same idea

why do you keep asking her softball questions?

[Aristeia]

mala can you talk about why your nk read changed

its probably because he says me/dats r s/s and being weird and she supposedly has the same idea

why do you keep asking her softball questions?

bc i want to figure out who makes sense as her partner if she's scum

I don't see how you do that by asking questions that you should already know the answer to

[Aristeia]

to put it another way.

I don't understand your curiosity about things that you should already know

[Aristeia]

hmm maybe mala is town

that would be somewhat annoying

[Aristeia]

happy birthday dear <3

[Aristeia]

he has gotten townier but not like something I'd bet a kidney on.

I feel like I have gotten more confused over time and that's kind of a weird feeling.

I log in and it's kind of like I realize I know nothing.

[Aristeia]

would you like to be in the coalition? i'll be super sad if you say you don't, picking a coalition with you in it is difficult enough already :<

You know I want to be with you dear <3

[Aristeia]

would you like to be in the coalition? i'll be super sad if you say you don't, picking a coalition with you in it is difficult enough already :<

You know I want to be with you dear <3

<3
what would be your current preferred coalition?

I dunno my brain is super mushy ~_~.

I need some time to think about everything again.

[Aristeia]

my preference would be to sheep you if you told me you were super sure about [5 names] because I would be very happy if you could carry me it would make me very happy.

I'm not sure I would do better than you in picking out five names.

[Aristeia]

you told me you were super sure

does this sound like something i would ever say?

also you're like, one of the people that i currently feel the surest on being town and i know you are generally better than me at reading people so i was hoping i could see your preference for a coalition and work with you there

no but its something I would really like.

I do think you are better at playing town than I am <3

You are just less confident and I am quite delusional at times

[Aristeia]

how is me/ari townread different than any other townread between two players in the game?

because our relationship is special dear <3

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats <3

You're town. [My hope - My dream]

I'm town. [My promise to you]

Find three more townies and I'll sheep you and we will win. [I'd like you to do it because it would feel nice, I can try to carry if you don't want to but my preference is that you do <3]

[Aristeia]

Are how confident are u in town-dats?

I think if you want to be the leader here you should put the reads you feel confident in.

I have

a lot of thoughts

about Dats and I'm not sure how helpful it will be for you to read them but I can write them down if you want me to.

I'm not confident I can find scum!him.

[Aristeia]

it's kind of hard for me sometimes to differentiate what is reality and what is something I want to happen

[Aristeia]

what if they were paranoid ramblings about you being a scumbutt

[Aristeia]

I'm so vulnerable to your charms :<

[Aristeia]

well you were the most healed person the first time I did a VC so I guess you're kind of stuck being the leader unless someone else wants it.

I can be your fifth if you want me to be your fifth because I know I'm town but if you don't know it I suggest you find someone you can trust.

[Aristeia]

I'm in the middle of writing my thoughts out on Dats so he can read it and laugh at me

[Aristeia]

we're all just guessing it's fine it's just a game

[Aristeia]

don't stress skitts pls let's make this a very low key and fun thing : )

[Aristeia]

me/you/mena/ari/irrel

how sure are you that this will work dear?

[Aristeia]

HEAL: dats, ari, mena, irrel, skitter

I guess 85% will have to do >_>

[Aristeia]

you do understand if this coalition fails skitter is going to eat you right?

[Aristeia]

I will be very sad

[Aristeia]

you do understand if this coalition fails skitter is going to eat you right?

if the coalition fails and she wants to do that, she's gonna have to drag me to that yeetotine kicking and screaming so good luck with that i guess