I haven't double confirmed with Norwe yet but I think I (Shirou) will be signing my posts as Aether, and Norwe will sign as Lumine
-Aether
VOTE: GrandpaMo
We got a hydra PT but I was about to confirm with the mod if we can talk in discord as well. So let's do it.In post 11, GrandpaMo wrote:question, do hydras talk to each other? lolIn post 10, Tabibitos wrote:Sup, let's get this gamerollingguys, after aĺl doesn't the way we get our alignments feel kindaGACHA?
I haven't double confirmed with Norwe yet but I think I (Shirou) will be signing my posts as Aether, and Norwe will sign as Lumine
-Aether
VOTE: GrandpaMo
like are they allowed to speak ogi to each other? or do they have a chat in game like masons etc
I haven't full run that simulation yet in my head but I think it may not work because it's probably gonna be easy for scum to incriminate someone if we do it like that. That gave me an idea of making groups of 3 or so that target each other though, but I'm not sure it's better than my other idea yet and we are gonna have only 8 people to do groups of 3 in N1.In post 14, GrandpaMo wrote:OMG I WAS JUST GOING TO THE ROLE LIST AND THINKING "hmm isn't there a meta to this setup?" like every doc would need to protect every other doc and that would eventually resolve to us finding scum i think or atleast get us closeIn post 13, Tabibitos wrote:I have already an early idea about how we could try to optimally play the setup perhaps but not only I'm in the phone atm so it's a pain to write long posts, as much as I want to do lol strategies on a semi-bastard games, I don't know much about the player list here and their opinion on trying to play a wonky setup optimally versus enjoying the wonkiness of it. I would need everyone cooperation on the mech plan so before we argue how good of a mech plan it is, does anyone oppose the very idea of trying to minimize the wonky aka "fun" (be it good or bad) nature of the setup?
In post 28, Shirou wrote:Sorry my modem broke and I'm using mobile. Its really hard to use the black theme on phone. Please put up with me for a bitIn post 19, Tabibitos wrote:Shirou wtf. Why did you make our layout eye-blindingly white.
Also, we can likely just talk in discord if the mod has access to our discussion.
- Lumine
-Aether
Yeah my plan involves the nurse eventually claiming as well. Usually I think that theoretically it's better for that kind of claim to happen day 2, but we absolutely cannot allow ourselves to miseliminate the nurse. Therefore any scum about to get hammered can claim nurse and out the real Nurse or to get a free pass for D1.In post 36, Abnegation wrote:mech-wise:
i’m all for planning out night actions. if we can find a way to get info out of the wonk, then we should take it.
i’ve been considering the idea of nurse claiming d1/maybe d2. they’re not any more powerful than the doctors, and it would be ridiculous for scum to cc it now. basically gives us an innocent child and helps us plan night actions if we want to do that.
Sigh sorry I will try not to open this game on my main account. I get confused.In post 45, Shirou wrote:By dividing ourselves in two groups. We don't need to know who is the jailkeeper, we would just need to get a no NK night with one scum remaining. Even if they do no night kill to falsely incriminate someone, it's not as good as it may look in the paper because we can gain extra eliminations if they keep no night killing.In post 42, Abnegation wrote:how does our jk become a cop if they don’t know they’re the jk?
Jailkeeper is a very powerful role on one scum standing.
-Aether
That's the purpose of the two groups, we would know who was the potential protect and it would always be the Nurse that is conftown vs a suspect.In post 49, Elements wrote:Does that not work because the no kill could be from a doctor saving someone or the night kill could be a doctor killing someone?
Maybe when I explain the group thing it will be easier to understand my thought processIn post 51, Abnegation wrote:no nk could also happen as the result of a successful heal by reliable, weak, or cpr doc though. i admittedly haven’t thought enough about the setup myself, but i think the point of it is that it’s hard to discern the cause of whatever happens at night. i’m just not understanding how a no-nk will give us that much info.
Hmm no offense but I don't think I stealer anyone idea. Dividing us on 2 groups of 4 was always the plan I was hinting on, from what I understood your idea was for docs to target each other or for to form groups 5that target each other. My plan is two groups that alternate on protecting the nurse and targeting a common suspect.In post 48, GrandpaMo wrote:In post 45, Shirou wrote:By dividing ourselves in two groups. We don't need to know who is the jailkeeper, we would just need to get a no NK night with one scum remaining. Even if they do no night kill to falsely incriminate someone, it's not as good as it may look in the paper because we can gain extra eliminations if they keep no night killing.In post 42, Abnegation wrote:how does our jk become a cop if they don’t know they’re the jk?
Jailkeeper is a very powerful role on one scum standing.
-Aether
yessss steal my intellectual idea!!! jk but that was my thought process before. we can also have everyone do no night action that or do circular save
Yeah I will eventually, it's just hard to do so in the phone but I will try. Please bear with me.In post 56, Abnegation wrote:can you explain how this works/what it would look like? you’ve lost me.In post 54, Tabibitos wrote:That's the purpose of the two groups, we would know who was the potential protect and it would always be the Nurse that is conftown vs a suspect.In post 49, Elements wrote:Does that not work because the no kill could be from a doctor saving someone or the night kill could be a doctor killing someone?
-Aether
Wait until I fully explain to dismiss it if you're town please.In post 58, Enchant wrote:I dislike this plan.
I'm Norwegianboy. Shirou is Aether.In post 71, Scoliosis wrote:Where is NorwegianBoy? I want to talk to them.
The abyss has not taken a hold over our heart. We are good nara.In post 77, Scoliosis wrote:Oh okay, I will call you Lumine. I haven't played with Aether before. Did you two roll Town?
You could be on group B then, you only need to target the same as what that groups decides. The plan doesn't completely stop you from trying out your "power"In post 79, Enchant wrote:I have 2/5 chance to have kill and i want abuse this chance for full extent.
If I was scum I would confuse the town using that but again, I don't know how mechanically good the scum team here is. Your strategy seems exploitable on the right conditions but I don't know if scum would know how to do itIn post 87, Enchant wrote:How you think about one player targeting someone else to see if they are killing role?
Because that's what i personally want to do.
In post 97, Shirou wrote:I believe you're mistaken. Pick any 3 doctors or more and see for yourself that their abilities together targeting a single person never kill them and most of the time protects them against a NK.In post 94, Vanderscamp wrote:There are too many killing doctors to make targeting the nurse with half the playerlist a good idea IMOIn post 57, Tabibitos wrote:Hmm no offense but I don't think I stealer anyone idea. Dividing us on 2 groups of 4 was always the plan I was hinting on, from what I understood your idea was for docs to target each other or for to form groups 5that target each other. My plan is two groups that alternate on protecting the nurse and targeting a common suspect.In post 48, GrandpaMo wrote:yessss steal my intellectual idea!!! jk but that was my thought process before. we can also have everyone do no night action that or do circular saveIn post 45, Shirou wrote:By dividing ourselves in two groups. We don't need to know who is the jailkeeper, we would just need to get a no NK night with one scum remaining. Even if they do no night kill to falsely incriminate someone, it's not as good as it may look in the paper because we can gain extra eliminations if they keep no night killing.In post 42, Abnegation wrote:how does our jk become a cop if they don’t know they’re the jk?
Jailkeeper is a very powerful role on one scum standing.
-Aether
-Aether
-Aether
The last set ran without any grand scheme, and they almost lost because night actions were chaotic. They also asked themselves that.In post 96, Vanderscamp wrote:Has anyone played this set before?
According to the wiki this has 9 town wins and 3 scum wins, there must be something good in one of those previous games that we can aim to replicate
I'm pissed at myself for messing up so much in playing as a hydra....sorry you all.In post 104, Shirou wrote:Well I did assume it works but that's probably a good question to ask the mod.In post 101, Vanderscamp wrote:I guess it depends on night action order, right?In post 97, Shirou wrote:I believe you're mistaken. Pick any 3 doctors or more and see for yourself that their abilities together targeting a single person never kill them and most of the time protects them against a NK.In post 94, Vanderscamp wrote:There are too many killing doctors to make targeting the nurse with half the playerlist a good idea IMOIn post 57, Tabibitos wrote:Hmm no offense but I don't think I stealer anyone idea. Dividing us on 2 groups of 4 was always the plan I was hinting on, from what I understood your idea was for docs to target each other or for to form groups 5that target each other. My plan is two groups that alternate on protecting the nurse and targeting a common suspect.In post 48, GrandpaMo wrote:yessss steal my intellectual idea!!! jk but that was my thought process before. we can also have everyone do no night action that or do circular saveIn post 45, Shirou wrote:By dividing ourselves in two groups. We don't need to know who is the jailkeeper, we would just need to get a no NK night with one scum remaining. Even if they do no night kill to falsely incriminate someone, it's not as good as it may look in the paper because we can gain extra eliminations if they keep no night killing.In post 42, Abnegation wrote:how does our jk become a cop if they don’t know they’re the jk?
Jailkeeper is a very powerful role on one scum standing.
-Aether
-Aether
-Aether
Like if doctor/cpr doctor/quack all target someone does the cpr doctor see that no one is being killed and acts as a killing power, except the doctor's saving power lingers?
Because if it works like that I agree with you
I guess we could? Protecting the Nurse is expensive so I'm ok if we want to do something else. I think Nurse should still claim thoughIn post 116, GrandpaMo wrote:why cant we set up fake mason pairs and have those pairs target each other.In post 110, Tabibitos wrote:No actually, I think everyone targetting someone different can lead to such bad results that maybe putting 6 people on the group A to guarantee Nurse is protected even with CPR shenanigans and Nurse plus one person each target someone different may still be optimal, it just sounds way less fun than the original idea.
With this new one we could get info on at least one player role though.
I don't see how quack is the problem really, it's mostly the CPR being unpredictable so it's hard to guarantee something will always work on a given way with him around.In post 117, GrandpaMo wrote:it was gonna mess up anyways because of quack doctor iircIn post 109, Tabibitos wrote:Hmm...in that case the CPR actually messes so much with targeting as a group, I am actually heartbroken I wasted my afternoon on this. When you want the doctor CRP to do one thing in a group of actions it will probably do the opposite. Maybe it's really better to for everyone to target someone different...
@Aether
No it is what I meant. Maybe I chose poor words, English isn't my first language. What I meant is that we maybe we want to no eliminate and have a mech plan on the first days, get info and then consider eliminating/votingIn post 121, GrandpaMo wrote:that's not what aether said lol.In post 120, Abnegation wrote:i'm down for a no-lim plan if it helps us win.
currently doing my own math/mechsolving but idk how long that'll take me.
they said that no lim would lead us to needing to solve based on the complex order of night actions versuses not having a discrete strategy. so it won't "really help us"
this is in contradiction of aether previously discussed in terms saying that we should mechsolve and be more instrinctic.
First I don't have unlimited time so it would be nice if he can point me out to it if it exists, I know he may lie but 8f I catch him in a lie isn't that a good thing as well?In post 374, GrandpaMo wrote:im sorry but this feels like a useless question to ask because first, cant u just look up their metaIn post 371, Tabibitos wrote:Elements mech solving is interesting, don't know what to think of that, did you ever do it before Elements? On what game?
and 2nd u act like ur gonna follow up with elements because u have been gone for most the game and i missed u and like ugh idk what i do without u
Your grandfather was the first weeb. Travelling to Japan since the 15th century, in kahoot with Oda Nobunaga himself as one of the great founders of the modern Japanese state.In post 451, Enchant wrote:my grandfather could't be weeb
WHY are you on board when you initially had a problem with it at first. Nothing changed, your switch doesn't make sense to me.In post 465, Vanderscamp wrote:I'm on boardIn post 435, GrandpaMo wrote:how does everyone think of this? IF we do choose to elim freeedom during the day.In post 434, GrandpaMo wrote:vander looks way better than freedom nd enchat fwiw
i think we should investigate it like this since enchant is also someone in interest.
im gonna group a town core with one common suspect in each group so i will group my bottom scumreads .
group a - scoloisis, elements, grandpa, galron
group b - gimli, vander, tabibitos, enchant
group a target enchant
group b target galron
Friday night*In post 482, Tabibitos wrote:How ridiculous is it if I say I may already have a solve for this game?
I may be pretty wrong though, not too confident on it. I need to do house chores on Thursday but Friday not I technically should be here, and hopefully with my PC.
- Aether
Of what? My reads?In post 487, GrandpaMo wrote:can u give basic 1 sentence explanation?In post 485, Tabibitos wrote:Never mind I don't think I have a complete solve yet but I think I have decent reads maybe? Gonna drop them and some explaining on weekend hopefully
I can assure you that we are, we just haven't shared anything in thread yet.In post 535, Gimli wrote:Maybe Vander but I think scoliosis has been very towny.
The Hydra has two heads but neither is scumhunting
What. Are you even reading? We didn't explain in detail yet but we already gave 3 town read, and said we will explain the scum read tomorroa. There's people posting way more than us but with less than that.In post 542, Freedom wrote:Then, what are your reads rn?In post 540, Tabibitos wrote:I can assure you that we are, we just haven't shared anything in thread yet.In post 535, Gimli wrote:Maybe Vander but I think scoliosis has been very towny.
The Hydra has two heads but neither is scumhunting
- Lumine