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Also I feel it would be wise to mention I am a negative utility role. Will disclose which one later today (it isn't miller)Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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VOTE: Furtiveglance
scumImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Yeah I don't think a massclaim today is wise but when I claim it'll become evident why I needed to be public with it.In post 19, Gamma Emerald wrote: I'd rather not claim before an actual massclaim
I also think massclaim (or just claiming in general) rn isn't the best idea. if it were Grander or Grandest Idea furtive would be right but roles are pure rngImprefection is the spice of life.-
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UNVOTE: Wait were you at E-1?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Oh you actually were lolImprefection is the spice of life.-
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alright but what if i revotedImprefection is the spice of life.-
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ez condemner winImprefection is the spice of life.-
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We should definitely not do thatImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Since the only role with that is town it's a practical IC claim (yes it's possible to be scum but very unlikely)Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Because scum knowing who that IC is is not goodImprefection is the spice of life.-
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I didn't realize there was an option where all scum are pirates and die n4. In that case yeah they probably should claim if they exist because if they don't doesn't no limming until they die win?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Probably don't lead with it then. We can use that info later today better if they do want to claim.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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IC isn't much good informationwise if it just means we sort one less player. Better if people have already given reads on ic and we can read on those.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Actually scum would know which one is rolled right (cause they would be pirates)? So scum would just claim caribean?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Let's move past mechanical for now.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Gamma's entrance feels really weird to me, especially bringing up massclaim just feels like an odd move.
I'm liking Radrat's tone at this point although it's mostly been mechspec so far.
I don't think furtive's claim is confirming, although it's probably true.
Not much to say about other peopleImprefection is the spice of life.-
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That's not really how I read it but I suppose that makes some sense. Your thoughts on other people?In post 97, biancospino wrote:
@Meg, idk, I don't really think Gamma here is being weird. Reading furtive in 17 as opening the door to a massclaim is fair, and responding to that is fairIn post 19, Gamma Emerald wrote: I'd rather not claim before an actual massclaim
I also think massclaim (or just claiming in general) rn isn't the best idea. if it were Grander or Grandest Idea furtive would be right but roles are pure rng
@Gamma, what do you mean exactly byIn post 22, Gamma Emerald wrote: VOTE: furtive
how about no? Last time I thought your opening was wack you were scum and I think your opening is wack againwack? I think the first post furtive made in Haunted was of significant different nature than the first post hereImprefection is the spice of life.-
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It still feels off to meImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Well furtive claimed to have a rb so if it was just scum dying if would be a kill during night 2 and 3which brings us down to 7 players into night 4 where we would win from scum dying.In post 103, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I very much don’t understand this planIn post 74, MegAzumarill wrote: I didn't realize there was an option where all scum are pirates and die n4. In that case yeah they probably should claim if they exist because if they don't doesn't no limming until they die win?
If this was a larger game maybe you’d have something but a micro will probably be over by n4.
But its everyone and not scum so it doesnt workImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Don't get what you are saying here. I wasn't assuming scum would claim?In post 106, Gamma Emerald wrote: But like why would scum claim in the world where *they exclusively* die N4? Why wouldn’t they just play for a win?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Doesn't really matter i guess since the argument doesn't work in the first placeImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Scum
wouldn'thave the role then.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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So they actually would have to fakeclaim it to counter town trying that.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Don't think it matters much atp though.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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I mean if it's a fakeclaim it's basically saying he was betting his life on there being 0 roles that either give or produce feedback at night so I'm liable to believe he is in fact a 1 shot global roleblocker.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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That's as far as I'll follow the claim.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Lawyer would be better to be honest. Sadly i think it's already tied up in usage atm.In post 135, Gamma Emerald wrote: I just looked over the setup more closely
Can I just say “Savior” is such a jank name that does not fit the win condition?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Furtive says the use their shotIn post 164, Nono wrote:
being honest, don’t understand the above,, “betting his life on 0 feedback roles”,, you saying the existence of the role is only not valid if there is no point for it?? setup spec? first counterclaim; this is grand idea lol!!In post 121, MegAzumarill wrote: I mean if it's a fakeclaim it's basically saying he was betting his life on there being 0 roles that either give or produce feedback at night so I'm liable to believe he is in fact a 1 shot global roleblocker.
just thinking,, whether true claim or not isn’t important,, the contents of the role is easy to excuse anyway
e.g “sorry my shot missed!” or “sorry was saving my shot”
in saying so, claiming early is not a big disadvantage for scum,, therefore stance of “towniness” is void)
Literally anyone who received loud/announcing/investigative feedback/ neighborization messages ccs and furtive is limmedImprefection is the spice of life.-
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It's the passcode to the mafia chat obviously
VOTE: AeronautImprefection is the spice of life.-
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VOTE: Doctor DrewImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Feels different from citadel but mainly moving because I'm liking Aero's posta so farImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Unfortunately I am incapable of scumreading snazzy shadesImprefection is the spice of life.-
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I mean I've liked Aero's posts so far for town. Why do you think they've been bad?In post 227, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Bad posts aren’t a scumtell?In post 215, MegAzumarill wrote: Unfortunately I am incapable of scumreading snazzy shadesImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Anyway I think I should get around to claiming soon (the neg utility thing is no joke)
I wanted to make sure we have some ample discussion before and aftee and it seems to be slowing downImprefection is the spice of life.-
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I have heard no objections, so here goes:
I am a Town Compulsive Framer.
Which is about as negative as a utility can get.
The frames only last one night though so basically we just need to choose someone that cops wont be able to target that night.
Trackers/Watchers/Etc. can verify my visits at least, and if we do actually have a cop then they can verify me and if not I'm basically a VT.
I think it should be obvious why I needed to claim this today.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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CannotIn post 280, Radical Rat wrote: Thank you.
Actually, can you self-target Meg? If so, a Tracker can actually be converted into a proper cop on you (barring any alignment modifying roles before the framerate).Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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If there'a a minority town my target is the least of our worriesIn post 278, Radical Rat wrote: Regardless of the answer to that though, I think you should pick your own target. Obviously you should also announce that target, but I don't trust doing it democratically in Grand Idea, where there's a non-zero chance of a minority Town.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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And I'm also intwrested in hearing why people want certain people framed anywayImprefection is the spice of life.-
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I am incredibly skeptical of Drew's claim. It feels like the sort of claim scum make when pressured to claim something and just deciding to latch onto my role.
If you're going to claim you can clear us both, I'd like a fullclaim.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Because just claiming to be able to clear 2 slots nebulously feels only beneficial to scum aiming their nk if true.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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In post 307, Doctor Drew wrote:
You don't even know what it is yet, how can it be a lie in your eyes?In post 306, furtiveglance wrote:
I don't think I was RTing. I think your role is a lie Drew.In post 305, Doctor Drew wrote:
I love how you keep reaction testing lol.In post 304, furtiveglance wrote: This is feeling like one of those games when scum are gonna lean on the randomness of their role
I said I wanted to have fun with my role, and god dammit I am gonna have fun, even if it kills me.
I know you fished for it already, but not budging yet.
My role is 100% confirmable.
I'm sensing inconsistencyI can clear myself, kindaImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Notably there can't be game ending jesters since the game is guaranteed to not end before day 2.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Probably not if qe're trying to resolve drew. I'll frame there assuming nothing major happens but will let yall know if I change my mind.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Reflected on this for a while.
If we are roleblocking tonight I think we should lim doctor drew still. The most information we can actually get on their role if it's a true claim is a clear in me.....in night 3.
Also this is a Korina GrandI game and drew claimed a version of neighborizer that doesn't really exist (although they retconned it later) Where their target would be inclined to believe their town and would be safer from lims. Smells like a possible if not likely CL. Even if not CL mafia neighborizer isn't unreasonable here as mafia actually wants to keep me alive.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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The way the claim came about really didn't sit right with me, and I don't value keeping a scummy player alive for 2 elims to confirm they have a neighborizer role or not when we could be facing down elo day 3Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Looker wagon has no resistance and I don't really see what there is to spot the momentum shift besides scum influence.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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I can get into detail but I think a lot of what drew was saying makes more sense contextualized as knowing I would join their team after (plus wouldnt cult want a framer over say, a doctor or random town role, isn't that justifying who they'd want to recruit anyway?)Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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In the case we do elim drew, I'd need a new target
Furtive seems good then, if anyone gets a result on them we'd know they are evil regardless.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Scum doesn't care about cult, town does.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Cult can't recruit groupscum after allImprefection is the spice of life.-
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Not really if scum have killing power.In post 387, Radical Rat wrote: No, but a growing faction of "Town" who are immune to doubting each other is a pretty big threat to scum's day plans.
So Mafia/Werewolf/Serial killer all stand to gain there while town is facing a -1 member +1 enemy which is basically 2 kills strong.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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Most likely possibilities really can't be determined, but if they could be it would look something like this:In post 388, Nono wrote: meg the smartest pokemon),, true that doc role draws too many parallels to cult,, however thinking, most likely possibilities are cult/town,, assuming scum faction exists, they don’t know which (will assume worst case scenario = town),, means both get shot by scum, is it worth it? (the theory is no)
There are werewolf, alien, serial killer, mafia, mod choice, and town neighborizers. (Probably more options as well)
Cult always have the ability to neighborize built into their faction as well.
All of these can easily fake being drew's role if true with basically perfect mimicry. Then there's chances of him not even being a neighborizer and just fakeclaiming in general since he doesn't have to produce results until N2 and then he'd be in a situation where he could be winning at that point, especially if there are pirates bloating the numbers of nontown into 1 group.
Also nothing about my role claim should have prompted his claim. Our roles don't interact. Why does town!drew out himself there for no reason. There is no actual justification of claiming it when i claimed other than he wanted to protect his slot by trying to produce a clear.
I think that the way Drew handled their claim is unlikely to come from town, and more likely to come from cult. (Mostly the part about me being able to confirm him, which we now know to be alie.)
He explicitly lied about his role claim and backtracked when pushed on it. That is thesecondlie about the claim.
I also haven't been liking the rest of his play today for town outside of it, but this feels like it flips scum.
If you want to justify keeping alive Drew, justify it for play reasons. There is no mech reason to let the slot live over any other slot.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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In post 302, Doctor Drew wrote:In post 296, MegAzumarill wrote: I am incredibly skeptical of Drew's claim. It feels like the sort of claim scum make when pressured to claim something and just deciding to latch onto my role.
If you're going to claim you can clear us both, I'd like a fullclaim.In post 297, MegAzumarill wrote: Because just claiming to be able to clear 2 slots nebulously feels only beneficial to scum aiming their nk if true.I can clear myself, kinda.This is a lot of risk for a lot of reward. Best case scenario doesn't fully clear me, tbf(mechanically speaking at least)
And I am not latching onto your role, just making sure you are telling the full truth, it will be very clear why I would want to announce who I can clear.
Yes I know, requires some trust, but I am not investigative per se, this could all backfire on me if my instincts are incorrect here.
I will not full claim at this point because it doesn't benefit town, yes I am being vague on purpose.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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A clear is explicitly for alignments.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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If you can clear yourself, you are saying you can be proven as town with reasonable certainty.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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And your role is at most partially confirmable, just the neighborizer portion. The other portion (weak) isn't without you being dead, and that's the only part that actually has a mechanical impact.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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I guess this works for keeping him alive at least until day 2, but I don't think it's a lot of benefit as any feedback giving role does the same and nobody is really doubting Furtive's claim anyway.In post 421, Radical Rat wrote: I strongly disagree that cult isn't a threat to scum, from their perspective a cult leader might as well be a masonizer, but regardless of that...
It is true that we lose a lot of utility from the weak mod by having it claimed. Assuming everything is true, we don't have a good way of knowing whether Drew was killed by scum or by weakness, so it isn't great for checking alignment. However, unless Drew is presently aligned with furtive, we don't really lose anything by giving it a try. If Drew's action goes through, cult or Town, it disproves furtive's claim. And if it doesn't go through, we're in the same situation as now except furtive's role is confirmed and we'll have a flip from a different elimination to reference against.
You are wrong though because worse case scenario we flip a townie instead or mafia has something like a strongman/ascetic and we are just in a worse situation. Who would you suggest as scum if not Drew?Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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I'm mostly against the Looker wagon. I don't think it's natural and the defence of Drew for no actual play reasons seems scum motivated. Could be partners.
But noone seems to be against the wagon because drew is towny or has acted like town. That tells me I'm onto something here.Imprefection is the spice of life.-
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