Micro 1089: the coalition, again [game over]

[Isis]

That's cause youve never Ahri supported me. I would throw first

[Isis]

: (

[Isis]

I figured it was a lil sloppy and unconvincing but still ironic. Did you believe it?

[Isis]

I thought it might spew someone town but I was hoping for a less locktown slot

[Isis]

I don't think I was ready for this game to be over

Fsr this reads like an anime line to me

[Isis]

I will bully people until they don't vote you. You will be functionally locktown

[Isis]

Idk how much its a "meta read"

[Isis]

She's walking to neither wincondition but stumbling in the general direction of the town one

[Isis]

Spoiler:

powerful songvery pretty

[Isis]

I was flying to Dallas and back

Hm idk if that's all of it

But my phone did get to a point where it was lowbattery and I played vivid knights on steam deck instead

[Isis]

I think tris is townier than sheep in a vacuum, by a lot, and shea has these compelling big brain paradigms for flipping that on its head, but I wanna just lim the scummiest slots

[Isis]

I think tris is townier than sheep in a vacuum, by a lot, and shea has these compelling big brain paradigms for flipping that on its head, but I wanna just lim the scummiest slots

Does that mean sheep? Who is it you are saying you want to lim?

Sheep is scummy

[Isis]

I think tris is townier than sheep in a vacuum, by a lot, and shea has these compelling big brain paradigms for flipping that on its head, but I wanna just lim the scummiest slots

this feels like scumagendaposting to me idk

I do have a scum agenda

[Isis]

how is tris townier than sheep?

Mb I will towncase tris today

[Isis]

I'm the scummiest. Frustrated the setup doesn't let me get bussed by my partner to set her up to win f3.

Sheep isthe scummiest besides the car people but a lot of it is least towniest

[Isis]

Shea stadium!

[Isis]

I have too much to do at work to like open sheep's iso and case him my twitter era of mafia is terrible

[Isis]

I did not read 2786 to 2792 at all bc the new notification system tripped me up on what to consider read already. Reading now

[Isis]

I think I misunderstood the extent to which you scumread tris. You make a lot of nice points.

I think her failure to build a winning coalition is antitown in a way I just unfortunately expect from her.

[Isis]

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=84&t=86308&user_select%5B%5D=32319

[Isis]

This was also tris playing a towncore building game. I feel like she has done more than that here

[Isis]

ok. im warry that im just healing people that i know.

I think this might be her towniest post. With her hellbooks progression as an extension of it, I felt like her concern that it is hard to develop reads in this game but she starts leaning a certain way on each slot anyway is genuine. I have undersubstantiated reads all over this lobby too.

The failure to coalition build is less other-wincon-indicative if you remember her reads are as flat as she seems to indicate they are.



I could also be hard confbiased since page1 but idts

[Isis]

Like if your feeling about the game is "I townread hellbooks but idk why" you don't lobby hard until hellbooks is in coalition

[Isis]

490 seems so pure

[Isis]

I told her so when we workshopped it in the scum PT

[Isis]

You're townier here and fire knows that but he's scum so he's vague tweeting instead

[Isis]

That is an impulsive and presumptive characterization of rudeness

[Isis]

Well I've played over 9 games of mafia but I've never tried to play coalition before

[Isis]

You're townier here and fire knows that but he's scum so he's vague tweeting instead

And me? Am I scum too?

There's a tiny extent to which anyone is reading someon wrong is slightly scummier but I can understand how you think tris is the best lim here from a town perspective

[Isis]

I just have vibes memories I didn't reread the iso all the way through

[Isis]

Fire and sheep don't pair well, maybe I should believe in my fire read more. It burns from a deeper place in my soul even if her car occupancy makes her mathematically less scummy

[Isis]

Tris and sheep is probably the low tier of the coalition I spose

[Isis]

We can be a different worms superweapon. How about the homing pigeon

[Isis]

Fire and sheeps voting records kinda throw if paired I think I looked at it

[Isis]

Towny hellby

[Isis]

2885 is such a good post

[Isis]

i feel bad for not giving this game more effort i'm sorry

[Isis]

i sat down to post about sheep, didnt, maybe tomorrow, need to get to bed

[Isis]

footnote six struck me as really truthful and towny but now that I try to post about it its actually 100% postable from the scum win condition with no issues and I guess it's even scummy on average that the post isn't about other things

[Isis]

then i also liked the "shea scum would be this, shea town would be this" worldbuilding but considering two possibilities without attachment to one over the other is easier to do as scum isn't it

[Isis]

what about datisi

[Isis]

soemtiemes i think about datisi reading my stupid posts and want to play better. same way as i think about skitter reading my stupid posts and want to play better

it's interesting if i know you well i hope so!

it's all just vibes

[Isis]

Your read of me should be that I am townread and my partner is townread

[Isis]

I'm never scum with tris I never roll scum in this setup with a personal friend, see someone I like and admire snow super effectively in the opening of the game, then spend pages 40-60 or whatever whining that

I'm

not townread. I'm not a bitch.

[Isis]

I like that Isis and tris are almost the same word but

[Isis]

Tris has been an interesting slot to read she has both scum indicative and town indicative posts

[Isis]

I think she's probably town but I agree the more recent data points aren't the strongest ones

[Isis]

Skitter are the sucm

[Isis]

That was supposed to say you

[Isis]

I'm dysfunctional

[Isis]

What if it's triskitter

[Isis]

Or sheeshea

[Isis]

I think we maybe should actually read the car and then try to lim people that pair well with the person we think it is from the car

[Isis]

Hints fire is scum in the car

[Isis]

Is it really

Everyone is doing preflip assocs anyway

And I think getting a good handle on both zones makes it harder for scum to pick a zone to NK that trips us up

[Isis]

I think the main reason I scum read isis is it feels like systemically all of her takes are just wildly unthought out. And she performatively goes back on them when that's pointed out but then doesn't seem to try to understand the game in that new lens. Specifically me and sheep doesn't really make any sense because it requires me to swap in my scum buddy who is somewhat scum read into the coalition where he's more likely to be limmed for basically no benefit.

I'm gonna be honest I don't think sheeshea makes very much sense for both the reasons you've given and some others you haven't but sheeshea looks like a goofy limmerick word so I wanted to post it lol
This will just switch you to like scumreading the way I don't take the game seriously (or thinking I'm scum trying to do free pivots between stances I might get scumread for) but it's true.

Sheep pairs better with skitter but sheep also works well in 1-1 splits. I think maybe you had some thesis about sheep never being in a 1-1 split but I forgot how it worked my mind is a sieve

[Isis]

Can you see me playing as town like this though? I'm usually such a beacon of pro town influence and I'm ballast this game. I think i am the sucm

[Isis]

@shea my issue is that i'm not sure town-tris doesnt just play this way tho

Like is it unideal, yes
But i can see her as town playing like this ...

Something I feel fascinated about this particular game is that like sometimes I disagree with several of shea's reads in a row (including the one on me I 100% know to be wrong even if he shows his work well. But I have so many posts to correct his view off) and then after disagreeing I'm like "is seeing the same posts as me and making the wrong call scum indicative?" And on average I think it is something that kinda can be but Shea said he has bad reads as town in most games which I will take at face value so I feel encouraged now to to double into that kind of logic (which is probably not good logic to think about most games most of the time since the difference between great players and and bad players is probably single digit % right)

[Isis]

Good luck with the chemotherapy Poseidon bless

[Isis]

Why is "unthought out takes" scum!Isis?

Which alignment do you think I spam the preview button on lmao

[Isis]

Why is "unthought out takes" scum!Isis?

Which alignment do you think I spam the preview button on lmao

I guess I just have a high opinion of your analytical reasoning and generally I associate being off in reasoning with scum because they are sometimes forced to make bad arguments

Aw
I wish I was scum. I guess if you are town you will probably be disappointed after flips

[Isis]

The comforty thing about playing town w skitter is if I throw her opinion of me is already on the floor anyway it actually makes it fun to queue with her now that we stopped fighting as often

[Isis]

@shea my issue is that i'm not sure town-tris doesnt just play this way tho

Like is it unideal, yes
But i can see her as town playing like this ...

Read the ISO Isis posted. It's literally night and day

the worst timeline would be if mafia!Isis tried to white knight tris with an ISO and it just made Shea want to kill tris more

This is a thing I'm worried about tbh.

I think on the balance Tris is more likely to flip red than Isis though even not taking that into account.

ok but in the world that scum!isis didn't even read the iso before saying its the same iso doesn't that make tris town because um it would be quite bad to defend your teammate with an iso that doesn't even fit

I think scum isis would a) potentially assume I wouldn't read it. I didnt read the scum game she posted for me earlier and b) might legitimately think it supports her point or at the very least wouldn't be so obviously different

I'm town so if it undermines my point and my point deserves to be redflipped and you redlim tris over my objections it's to wincon

Not reading the iso myself is like not to wincon but it was to finishinig-reading-a-cool-artocle-i-was-reading or whatever else was going on

[Isis]

I think I used to approach mafia similarer to Shea. In some ways I miss it. In some ways WIM is exhausting

[Isis]

Maybe it's possible to be low wim analytical

[Isis]

Can we unlock this power

[Isis]

Ari do you want me to vote tris? My townread on you is melee fox and my townread on her is like. Melee Samus. So it would be fine

[Isis]

Ari how much do you townread Shea?

[Isis]

Shea is going to be devastated unfort

[Isis]

I think it leaks in a lot of my posts I want to treat the Shea slot as town indefinitely and I'm not sure how serious intentions to re eval the slot are

[Isis]

On my part

[Isis]

I think I only want to vote sheep or tris.

Asking ppl to drag me up the mountain of sheeptown to simplify my decision seems selfish

[Isis]

It's hard to say which scum performances to be most proud of. If you never get scumread start to finish in some ways that's easier than comeback stuff

[Isis]

My gf's laptop wallpaper is a bunch of anime girls shouting "let's go lesbians!" and since I don't have her laptop password there are therefore always at least two lesbians in front of the laptop anytime I see it

[Isis]

Also I think ppl should have more pride in sacrifice bunt scum games

[Isis]

Bless the sacrifice alistars

[Isis]

Like my partner is setup so well right now y'all

[Isis]

Mess with the bull and you get the horns

[Isis]

VOTE: tris?

[Isis]

If both Shea and skitter prefer to is, both are smart, and at least one is town right

[Isis]

If both Shea and skitter are scum I concede

[Isis]

Wow Ari is town Datisi can I please trade my 2nd third and 4th Ari townreads for some type of idea of what the hell hellbooks is

[Isis]

I mean the apathy of the coalition phase would have been so much easier to hide in and get an easy coalition with one scum there.

That would suggest 1 scum in skitter/tris/Shea so if tris flips green there has to be a thunderdome?

[Isis]

Yeah.
I think her baseline energy level isn't like zooms but she's mild here ig

[Isis]

The comforty thing about playing town w skitter is if I throw her opinion of me is already on the floor anyway it actually makes it fun to queue with her now that we stopped fighting as often

I laughed aloud

[Isis]

Ugh mis lick

[Isis]

The comforty thing about playing town w skitter is if I throw her opinion of me is already on the floor anyway it actually makes it fun to queue with her now that we stopped fighting as often

I laughed aloud

[Isis]

brassherald is a good smart boy

[Isis]

Why is that a heart

[Isis]

If tris is scum this game I won't no credit esp since datisi wrote her name in my role pm

[Isis]

i dont know why people say that sheep cant be scum with people in the car. the only coalition he ever vote for that didnt have either himself or both brass and fire was one that he voted for only three minutes.

Assuming by "the car" you mean the people not in the coalition I explained why in some detail. Because it requires him to be pushing aggressively for the day to end with a coalition that he knows kills him. He was not pushing any specific option, he just wanted a coalition for the day to end. In order for him to be scum with someone not in the coalition it would require him to be sitting on the sidelines, taking no actions to not die, while screaming "kill us kill us kill us kill us" over and over again at the top of his lungs.

If you really think that's the scum teams plan to not lose the game I don't know what to tell you.

Hm ok VOTE: tris

[Isis]

but he only barely ever voted for a coalition that would have him lose!

I assumed Shea would not misrepresent the parts of the game I do not remember well in their factual aspects did he?

[Isis]

UNVOTE:

[Isis]

that could be a lamist with a real risk of death, empowering the lamistness

[Isis]

otoh tris is pure and innocen

[Isis]

when ari attacks the tris slot i find it compelling and persuasive when anyone else does i make brussel sprouts facees

[Isis]

you say i can go back and just read that section of this game but apparently i can't type in a page number on this site did we lose that in 3.3?!!?!?!? wtf

[Isis]

i can use the url and some math that involves multiples of 25

[Isis]

what kind of media do you consume datisi

[Isis]

ok i painfuly navigated back there i guess i maybe begrudignly say sheep is probably not paired with the car

[Isis]

i want to confbias and not adjust my worldview this is my scummy manners

[Isis]

VOTE: skitter

[Isis]

VOTE: tristhis is what is called a "chainsaw"

[Isis]

almost all of the google results for "What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?" are links on forum.mafiascum.net

This is my favorite Shea post ever

[Isis]

Why is skitter townier than Aristeia in you opine tris?

[Isis]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/gba/56043 ... faqs/60496 provides the source for my signature btw. It probably doesn't have many hits because it provides the dialogue for FFTA for GBA and the use case of wanting to read the script of the GBA game you like, but not by playing it, is narrow.

I must somehow have more hits and relevance than the game since if i copy paste a different quote from the dialogue the gamefaqs comes up so it is getting crawled.

[Isis]

why the hell is the arrow a page number jump wtf

[Isis]

tris do you have any reads this game that aren't reciprocating a townread or townreading someone who feels familiar

[Isis]

My signature is just truth

bad post

[Isis]

the gamestate feels more olike skitter could have mate in 7 than before

[Isis]

VOTE: skitterVOTE: trisVOTE: skitterVOTE: tris

[Isis]

yall wildin

[Isis]

In my brain there is this thunderdome between skitter paired with tris and Shea paired with sheep where they have to duel to try to not lose a mafia in the first coalition lim because that's super important when the setup leaves the car empty

But that's not actually how mafia works there's at most one couplet of players lol

[Isis]

I feel like I am at my scummiest right now I'm carrying less and less about what I ought to do or whatever


Getting that nihilistic feeling of "lets lim either it's green and we learn a greenie or it's red and we will find out who the greenies are from the NK at least" some pessimism to hit scum today

[Isis]

Scum is kicking my ass even with me being consensus misread I feel like they pulled one on me to win the coalition phase when there seemed to be so much town equity in everyone but sheeo and then sheep is supposedly town? Argle gargle

[Isis]

Shea is very persuasive

[Isis]

Why would he hard defend sheep here though it'd be an easy first lim

[Isis]

UNVOTE:

[Isis]

We are all scum on this blessed day

[Isis]

You're not supposed to make town indicative post

[Isis]

Hm is it rly town indicative just cause I nodded

[Isis]

Mb

[Isis]

Skitter feels like she suddenly has a loss condition but maybe there is an innocent explanation

[Isis]

I'm scum

[Isis]

I dislike being scum it's so much pressure.

[Isis]

v/la

Saturday Sunday

[Isis]

Scum skitter could like maybe try to flip a lim onto you and then the unexpected mislimmed would probably win even if she got avenged for it? In a way where it doesn't matter what tris is

[Isis]

Maf is hard

[Isis]

Clear scumtell

[Isis]

Oh I meant that in response to 3174 not that it's very funny

[Isis]

Skitter might play more in a way to let me reevaluate her but I'm worried tris cannot easily townspew when there is pressure

[Isis]

My point feels prove in a way that brings bitterness to my heart

[Isis]

Can you solve skitter 4 me

[Isis]

I think it is difficult for him to be scum but you can sell me on it

[Isis]

I miss simba

[Isis]

Skitter is third party she has 4 scumreads that's Survivor

[Isis]

I like being town though

[Isis]

I might post on about 8 hours but the posting should stop when I go see the love of my life

[Isis]

VOTE: skitter

[Isis]

Aristeia

Thestatusquo

sheepsaysmeep (circumstantial instead of happyvibes feelings)

tris
skitter30

hellbooks
brassherald The Bulge*

fireisredsir (green w sheep though)

Isis confscum

[Isis]

thats all the minutes i have im heading off to see my love

[Isis]

Where vote

[Isis]

Yes

It's still going

[Isis]

Here's some ogi

My girlfriend doesn't know my alignment in this game I haven't told her

My girlfriend says I'm good at video games

Therefore I'm town

[Isis]

The weird thing about skitter's position is that if we misflip her and deadsheep her we're not in a bad spot so the fear is kinda low when she says shea has an evil with only like 2 possible partners

[Isis]

*evil plan

[Isis]

I think the game feels kinda stuffy cause a coalition isn't a full flip we need a flip I will not be funny about blasting I don't want to take away from hellbooks

[Isis]

I would rather vote skitter and deadsheep the tris townread if I'm wrong. Skitter is good at mafia

[Isis]

Gamestate read is still a read I will yeet redshea out of her Minecraft server she built and be shocked her world is the real one

[Isis]

I claim scum. I reset the prod timer. I set blue eyes white dragon into the attack position. I pass my turn.

[Isis]

Shea why don't you want to normalvote skitter

[Isis]

I just now noticed my first name rhymes with yours

[Isis]

It happened while composing this post so it would be wrong to discuss that elsewhere like the scum PT we share in this game

[Isis]

I like remember enough of why you SR tris but I guess like I would be curious if and why skitter isn't a "not my favorite but there's 2 scum in this game" type vote here

[Isis]

This game thread is kinda dead but don't worry the town pt is also dead

[Isis]

I mean the mason pt

I mean the neighbor pt

[Isis]

I guess it's not funny if you weren't in xyzzy any nondead

I guess none of you were somehow

[Isis]

Liiiiive

[Isis]

I'm like 51-49 it's skitter. If it's wrong you can lim me the next day.

[Isis]

I thought Shea hammered

[Isis]

3/2 kitchen finks when kitchen finks enters the battlefield gain 2 life persist

[Isis]

Pandora is being too cute

[Isis]

Still wringing my hands still lean skitter

[Isis]

Lol

[Isis]

It still kinda feels like skitter has 4 lims lined up idk

[Isis]

VOTE: sheep

[Isis]

Tihi

[Isis]

We can get 5 votes on Shea's partner without Shea we just need skitter and tris doing it survivalistically and then hellbooks when I ask her to in scum pt

[Isis]

Aristeia

Thestatusquo

sheepsaysmeep (circumstantial instead of happyvibes feelings)

tris
skitter30

hellbooks
brassherald The Bulge*

fireisredsir (green w sheep though)

Isis confscum

what's changed since this for you

I forget the sheeptown thesis about three hours after it is explained to me every time

[Isis]

I'm aligned with the mafia

[Isis]

Nah my partner is in the top group

[Isis]

Skitter would you vote sheep even with Isis

[Isis]

I tried really hard to get into the coalition I wasn't sure my partner would make it in this is so invalidatinggg

[Isis]

Paranoid skitter is benefitting from the lull in the game when she's consensus scum and triskitter is cornered. But if it's triskitter exactly we would get the comeback

[Isis]

We get 2 mislims right

[Isis]

Ive played micros since 2008 but I'm not sure how many mislims you get in 7:2

[Isis]

I think it's 2

[Isis]

Yeah cause if you mislim twice at the start you gotta go perfect from there

[Isis]

I just actually don't rly think about the game that way usually I wanna kill scum every day

[Isis]

VOTE: skitter

[Isis]

Feeling guilty

[Isis]

I will vote sheep if you say "BUS AND PLAY SOLO" in a meme voice
I mean it

[Isis]

VOTE: sheep

Y'all skitter hated doing that her wim would not be high enough as scum

[Isis]

We are a 137 pages in with no flips any of us could be very confbiased rly

[Isis]

My 9d chess team in the coalition is skitter Shea where both are strong enough the bus and coast on cred thing doesn't come up

[Isis]

Ari should I vote skitter

[Isis]

This game is stress

[Isis]

VOTE: skitter

[Isis]

Feels bad

[Isis]

Why isn't it 9town

[Isis]

I don't feel good about anyone being scum except fire

[Isis]

If I was clever I could determine something about the gamestate based on there being too many wagons

[Isis]

Are you calculating based on my status as confscum

[Isis]

It helps to make simplifyibg assumptions for instance I assume ari is town and I assume tris is my scumpartner

[Isis]

I think shea is being unintentionally funny do I count that for "only town is funny"

[Isis]

Skitter you did not download the gamefaqs guide for pocketing me in micro 1089

[Isis]

I did really enjoy the memepost but if I'm worried youre scum I have to play to wincon even if it means welching on in-game dealz fascinating ethics

[Isis]

If Im in round 8 of a grand prix and I pay 3 for Kozilek's Return deal 2 damage to all to remove a 2/2 and the 2/1 monkey created by the 1/3 Kari Zev, Skyship Raider, and my opponent puts both the Kari Zev and the monkey in the graveyard, is it cheating if I just don't say anything ??

[Isis]

What if small creature aggro is my worst matchup tho

[Isis]

Ok I actually said "I hate to tell you this but Kari Zev has 3 toughness"


I do have a lot of guilt though about the time at a prerelease where I was 1-2 and made a token that was a copy of a legendary creature and we played like 4 turns of limited board stall premised on me having two creatures and then on the fifth turn I realized that the token is legendary even if it was a dollar bill from my wallet that didn't trigger "look at those two things they are the same" and I felt like it would feel really stupid to point it out and suggest corrective state based effects and redo my whole plan for the game so I just finished.

Generally nowadays in pokemon if I realize I'd I made a very advantageous mistake uncorrectable-minutes ago I just scoop.