In post 3, Working Manju wrote:hi
FUCKING BROWSER
JESUS FCUK WM HOW AM I NOT SUPPOSED TO BUS YOU WHEN YOURE POSTING SIHT LIKE THIS IN THE THREAD
SORRY GOTTA BUS YOU FOR THE CRED TODAY SO I CAN CARRY US TO LYLO ON MY BACK
HEHEHEHAHEHEHAHAEHAEHAEHAEHAHIn post 3, Working Manju wrote:hi
People voting Om are doing it wrong WE GET IT there are multiple scum ONE LYNCH AT A TIME PEOPLE In post 17, thdgkdms wrote:What the fuck is that shit up there?
FUCK YOU WHERE ARE YOUR IMAGE TAGS YOU LAZY FCUK 
Checking in, agree with head #3 so far but waiting on the other 11.
Think shos rolling Innocent Clown is a moderately strong towntell; don't think he'd be ballsy enough to pull off that gambit as scum and I'm confident enough in placing a townread here for today. Like thdgkdms's entry into the game; the fact that he included Japanese in his first post means that he's claiming hipster, which is third party at worst. This is reinforced a bit by the use of 8 consonants in his username, which is in line with his town meta; as scum he'd want to exploit the vowels as much as possible. 
Have a strong town read on Chocola for being fake-Korean; if anyone wants clarification just ask. Working Manju's use of an anime avatar (puyo puyo sucks btw) in conjunction with an accusation of Appeal to Anime is blatant hypocrisy, especially given that neither Puyo Puyo nor Dangan Ronpa are animes. Would lynch this slot for gg. In post 28, ActionDan wrote:Conq are you scum this game, because I don't think I can handle another game with you as scum good lord.
I'm scum and I'm cross bussing Working Manju D1 so one of us can get to endgame easy peasy as per Pesco's suggestion in PoR, since we're both reasonably good at using :words: to get out of a lynch. Just kidding! In post 37, thdgkdms wrote:In post 25, mrfrobozzo wrote:
I'm asking.
Explained within; it's kinda long.Working Manju wrote:are you actually scum tho
No (if I were I'd probably be more serious; isn't it weird?)
Agree with Dan town; he's nervous as hell as scum and I'm not getting that here. 
christ that was possibly the dumbest wall argument i've ever read; thanks guys Pretty sure Chocola is town though my god you fuckers made me agree with Manju wtf guys. thdgkdms, stop being fake mad; it's pretty transparent and it's preventing me from getting a clear read on you. guessing im leaning townish though? very slight. also, plz2be calling me by my forum name; this one predates the other account by at least half a year anywayIn post 162, Working Manju wrote:
chocola reads strongly town for personality reasons though, tbh thdgkdms is probably town too.i don't want to lynch either but will do so if nothing i support is possible later in the day and it gets them to shut up
manju it's shit like this, why the fuck would you ever say this as town in a small setup like this. it gets me paranoid because i know as scum you'd take advantage of this to vote for a townread and go OH I WAS JUST FRUSTRATEDIn post 162, Working Manju wrote:
conq read is still really arbitary sorry
...
i have a theory on why scum-om would stick to that dan read without considering any of dan's reactions but it borders on conspiracy tbh
not sure what to make of om's posts right now but why did you single out that gut read in particular, given he's said it's a gut read? also don't know why you're singling out om for the dan read; it's very player specific meta that I don't expect everyone to get and so far it looks like only you and me have seen itIn post 44, Om of the Nom wrote:
Anyway, Conq is being derpy and I really don't feel like reading him right now. His posts make my brain hurt. I'm sorry, but this is not like your Tenshi post (which was awesome btw) in that one game which I can't remember.
You're definitely thinking of someone else.In post 155, Om of the Nom wrote:
I think my Conq townread may stem from how completely derpy and not serious he is. I can't really see him this way as scum.
Why not? I mean I know it's true for me but it's not like I couldn't have done any of my jokeposts as scum; I had a few lined up before the game started anyway. Don't wanna lynch today: Not sure what to make of Om right now although I guess I lean voting him over Manju (I kinda expected to keep my vote on Manju what I started writing this post but then I realized I agreed with his townreads). don't really get manju's case on om though; looks like you're just picking out random points and i dont see why he wouldnt do any of that as town. Your case on his is just as fluffy as the reverse. Want to see posting from RC. If I can get a town read on either Om or WM by the end of the day then I'm up for just PoEing this game yeah. Changed my mind even though I still think Manju is shifty as fuck, but if we're both town we can steamroll this so I can try this. Om, I want you to explain what you mean by Chocola seeming townie but you not liking his posts? Your opinions are all pretty vague, so I'm also wondering how you arrived at Manju with "PoE" based on what you gave. Chocola wrote:dont know where you guys are getting this town read from
I'm a daycop and this is my crumb of an innocent on alphabet soup. Just kidding! It's more :gut: I guess; if it helps any I have a stronger town read on you because I do think thdgkdms's "active lurking when we've just started the game" attack is pretty bullshit, but it's more likely to be tryhard town than scum imo? I dunno. Not really interested in the back and forth anyways because it's uberdumb. ...Manju are you scum trying to get a mislynch off of dumbtown? Or are you trying to get a rise by deliberating provoking him? Seriously, these fucking snipes. Will actually read this tomorrow to digest some of the recent exchanges but Jesus it's like nitpicking/whiteknighting 101 in here. In post 210, Working Manju wrote:frobaizono: recent posts have basically just been for my own amusement but i stand by everything i've said regarding him padding his vote on me and his ed1 reads making no sense when i first saw them. where are you getting dumb town?
dumbtown is more that if you're scum then he's dumbtown; "dumb" because he's not as good with words as you are and contradicts himself a lot and "town" because there's no way you two are scum together. See Uberninja from Scummer of Love Invitational. Will actually review the relevant arguments tomorrow as I said because I need to wake up early. Cut: JOB stop being scum or dumb. Dan is town, I can vouch for it 99%. @shos: I have extensive personal meta on Dan due to knowing him IRL (unlike the rest of the people here) so I'm pretty sure what you and Om are pointing out aren't scumtells for him; I think he's rather likely to be town this game. If there's scum between Dan and WM it's Manju for sure, not least because of the hard whiteknighting (will elaborate later). In any case, you think Dan scum would have an issue with placing Om at L-whatever? Don't avoid the question you ****. I'm asking you because I expect you to be able to read him better than I can due to past experience. If thlksdjlksfjd is scum, he's probably scum with Manju anyway so I'd lynch there first if I were going in that direction. Actually, might as well since I'll probably do this in a few hours anyway. Will elaborate later, but I feel like Manju is deliberating being a dick because he knows Om will respond badly to it and get himself lynched in the process. In post 221, Working Manju wrote:dan: i'm not really getting how conq pressing me is town since it's easy for him to play both sides of om/manju if he wants. like he's not a scumread but further elaboration when you're not tired would be cool
Manju are you using Token Questioning (TM) to make yourself look busy? Why does the answer to this question matter if I'm not a scumread and Dan is a townread? Do you think I'm scum playing both sides of the om/manju argument? I had a gut scumread on you in that game and didn't vote you because the wagon on you was shit. 
Anyway I'll have more out on this later. @shos: Dan hates playing as scum; he greatly prefers town. He's always very nervous when he rolls scum and so when he makes scum posts, he's always pushing a direction and he's making sure all his bases are covered, whereas when he's town he's much more relaxed and focused on getting reads out as they come without worrying so much about how much it looks to other people. He's definitely not scared of placing a vote out as scum though. Here's one of his town games vs one of his scum games. You can look through the isos if you really want and there's more if you want me to elaborate but honestly I don't find his two entry posts as scummy as you or Om; him being relaxed in the RVS phase is a towntell for him. I would appreciate it if he took a closer look at the game however. In post 246, Working Manju wrote:actually if that's why i'm scummy then it's the antithesis of the scumplay you're referring to, why did you need to ask for chocola's read?
I'm not voting you because of your play in previous games, I'm voting you for your play in this game. I asked Chocola for his read because he gutted you correctly in that game (when basically everyone else thought you were town) so I was interested in hearing his opinion. There are just some players you can't catch on logic. Part of the reason I find your push on Om suspicious is that you seem to have come to the conclusion (partially by hard defending a few other people as town) that Om is scum and then used the evidence to support your assertion instead of the other way around. There are some players who like playing needlessly provocatively because it helps them get ~*reactions*~, but afaik you're not one of them. I think you're using it more as a tactic so that he'll tunnel on you emotionally in a way that makes himself look bad. If you happen to be town, this is doubleplusungood because it means I can't read Om because you're deliberately provoking him, which gives him an excuse to tunnel on you regardless of his alignment. (I blame thdgkdms for starting this trend).In post 178, Working Manju wrote:
i can see why you'd think i was discrediting your reads but you could've just voted me on that alone instead of basing your case around a bunch of weak points that make little sense to buff up your post
If he thought you were scum trying to discredit his reads wouldn't it make sense for him to buff up what might otherwise be brushed off as a weak case? In the context of right-out-of-RVS (as opposed to an overjustified hammer vote) this is pretty much a null tell but you unilaterally paint it as scummy.In post 179, Working Manju wrote:In post 178, Working Manju wrote:your reads were bad at an ed1 glance because dan scum was ??? and conq and i were basically the same (bunch of jokeposts with a town read) at the time
this plus the dan read was what made your reads post ring alarm bells initially.
I've seen scum caught in the RVS phase because their jokeposts were fake-sounding. In any case, what's the scum motivation for giving different gut reads on jokeposters? And like I said, the Dan read isn't something I expect everyone to get (and so far only you and me have professed town reads on Dan), so the fact that you're attacking Om for this while ignoring everyone else is ???In post 181, Working Manju wrote:
rest post is just agree to disagree and also unless we see a dan scumflip then ur gut sucks sorry. i knew my posts were just as facetious as conq's so fmpov your reads looked totally backwards and were worth an ed1 vote
agree to disagree lol. This is the same shit you pulled on me in Angel Beats (the only meta-relevant part of this convo). lololol I can't argue with you anymore; let's just agree to disagree and meanwhile I'll park my vote here and hard defend townies for the rest of the day.In post 181, Working Manju wrote:
i mean scum trying to make a vote look impressive to compensate for it being bullshit is a thing that happens
You're the votefluffer. It's you. In post 227, Working Manju wrote:i don't think anybody joined this game to sit down to a serious round of mafiascum play though
Also, what Manju actually means is that since we all know each other it's a much more relaxed setting than if we were playing with a group of strangers. We're all still trying to win, of course. Om: Nothing to comment on? And you call Dan scum for being lazy. In post 261, Om of the Nom wrote:I never said he was lazy, just that I didn't feel he was serious.
So why is he scum for not being serious? What's different about his play this game from his play in IGMEOY?Om of the Nom wrote:Besides, due to my self-centered nature, I only really comment on stuff directed at me.
If this is the attitude you're going to have for this game I'm basically going to have no problem with voting you to lynch; this kind of self-centered passivity is a pro-scum attitude. Manju, I have a question. Have you, as town, ever "agreed to disagree" with someone you thought was scum? Seems more like an attitude you'd hold towards Om of the Nom wrote:In post 226, Om of the Nom wrote:PEDIT: I'm talking mainly about the tone, in that game, his posts gave off a serious feel, but in this game I feel like he doesn't really care.
Stop hard defending me then finding something scummy to point out about me. Choose one or the other. Besides, it's only what happens on a natural instinct (aka when skimming I only really look for things directed at me), when I read more in-depth I pay attention to much more.
You replaced into the game when it was in midgame and he had more to work with; of course he'd be more serious. In this game we're just out of RVS. This isn't even an alignment tell; it's just gamestate. I'm not even hard defending you lol (but no doubt someone will come in and yell chainsaw). But I just posted a bunch of stuff on Manju and your only response is to waltz in and say :lolnothingtosay: In post 293, Om of the Nom wrote:Ugh, you're all fucking terrible at this shit and I'm beginning to doubt my sanity at the time of accepting the invitation to this game.
@Mod: I'd like to replace out.
I didn't play this game to be yelled at, constantly called dumb and not even given a chance. I don't need to deal with this sort of shit.
If all you guys were going to do is hate on me, then don't fucking invite me next time.
Holy persecution complex Batman. I'd rather you not replace out, but do you seriously think that people are voting you because of a grudge or something? A good number of the people suspecting you have never played with you, as Manju said. Seriously, grow a spine and man up, and stop assuming that people are out to get you for out-of-game reasons. Who isn't giving you a chance? Manju who you happen to be voting and supposedly think is scum? Did you get quicklynched out of the gate? No. Are people voting you for "policy lulz"? No. Seriously. Yeah, Om, actually I'd really appreciate it if you stuck in. I know you like tactical replace outs as scum so I really want to make sure this isn't happening here.In post 269, Working Manju wrote:
"you assumed scum then made a case" can be applied to most early votes that stick after the target posts stronger content. i thought om was ed1 suspicious and his contentpost did nothing to make him town and was even Scummy.
In post 259, mrfrobozzo wrote:If he thought you were scum trying to discredit his reads wouldn't it make sense for him to buff up what might otherwise be brushed off as a weak case?
if he's town he's trying to sell it to the fellow townies, not the guy he thinks is scum. if somebody is trying to discredit another player then that's good enough for an ed1 vote and he shouldn't need to twist it for people to look into why that person is scummy. overjustification not being a universal scumtell doesn't mean it isn't scummy here
Pretty sure you're missing the point here. You brought up that Om was overjustifying his vote and you thought he was scummy for it. Well, you were overjustifying your vote on Om by including a lot of weak potshots that I addressed earlier. So basically the two of you are two sides of the same coin. See what I mean? Eh, Manju's reaction to Om's replace out looks kinda townie? It'd be pretty easy for Manju to just barrel on full force and firebomb that slot for lolAtE, although what Manju's doing could be an easy out for him to remove his vote from Om. Eh, I dunno. But I agree with the BT vote actually. Don't know what the point of the two queries to Manju was; not sure if just trying to look busy or trying to subtly throw dirt on Manju.In post 291, BT wrote:VOTE: Rylai Crestfall
Tentative lurker prod. He promised content today, right?
In post 302, mrfrobozzo wrote:
In post 291, BT wrote:VOTE: Rylai Crestfall
Tentative lurker prod. He promised content today, right?
I almost lost face for a moment there. Good though I caught myself, whew. In post 304, Working Manju wrote:i get what you mean now but am not sure when my case was every really based around potshots - as far as main points are concerned, ed1 it was the reads, later it was his padding
The reads part I addressed in my post a few pages back if you're talking about the Dan or frobozz/Manju reads, and I think they qualified as potshots. But w/e.In post 304, Working Manju wrote:
also, for the sake of comparision, when has om attempted tactical replace outs as scum before?
I don't know how often he does it as scum vs as town, but I was specifically thinking of these two games. I think the circumstance in this game reads a little different though. In post 306, Chocola wrote:Current reads are:
I haven't had much luck in getting town or scum vibes from bozzo, to note.
I'm not a doll. I'm very much alive! I imagine neutral is the same as unreadable? In post 310, BT wrote:Oh, come on, I haven't even finished reading the thread yet, and those votes seem like you didn't have a secondary scumspect at all. (which might be true? haven't finished reading) frobozzo, wasn't your vote on Manju before you went with this?
Got early town reads on Dan, Chocola, and thdgkdms. After recent events, T>S ordering of the last four would be Om, Manju, RC/BT. Yeah, I was voting Manju before, but I think his reaction to Om's replace out is more likely to be a town reaction.In post 310, BT wrote:
In post 302, mrfrobozzo wrote:But I agree with the BT vote actually. Don't know what the point of the two queries to Manju was; not sure if just trying to look busy or trying to subtly throw dirt on Manju.
First question was serious. Second question was not. I could honestly see where you're coming from here IF those questions were the bulk of my post or something, but they're not.
But there's nothing else in terms of reads (me!town plus a noncommittal comment on thlksjdlkjd/Chocola are really easy reads to make up) in the rest of your posting except a pass at Om, and given that my stance on Om for the last few pages I suspect an attempt to jump on a mislynch.In post 316, shos wrote:In post 302, mrfrobozzo wrote:
please explain.
meanwhile, regardless of the qestion, VOTE: mrfrobozzo.
In post 323, shos wrote:@Mrfrobozzo: you linked to two games; one of them has only ONE post from Om of the nom >_>
the other -
In post 1447, Om of the Nom wrote:Ugh, sorry guys, my motivation has really gone down for this game and I'm not putting in anywhere near as much effort as I should be. I'm considering replacing out, but if you guys want me to I'll try to keep going.
In post 2609, Om of the Nom wrote:Congrats to town, it sucks that we lost
I'm sorry I had to replace out, I seriously started to lose motivation and couldn't keep up.
I noticed some discussion about what I said right before I replaced out. But what I said was actually true. I generally tend to replace out more as scum (though I'm not so sure if it's so true now) but my mention of townie replacing out in Large games was also true, since the only other Large Theme I've played in I replaced out D1 as town.
Does this look like the same kind of replacing out?.. I don't think that's the case. Om was DEFINITELY motivated in this game - you know - he actually still is the top poster in the topic. do you have any other links in which he replaced out?
for 309 VOTE: Manju oh dats L-1
yea it's manju and frobozzo.
In post 305, mrfrobozzo wrote:
In post 304, Working Manju wrote:
also, for the sake of comparision, when has om attempted tactical replace outs as scum before?
I think the circumstance in this game reads a little different though.
Maybe if you would actually read my posts. >_> I'm not pushing Om for the replace because I already stated that I don't think the circumstances are the same, so I don't know where you're getting the idea what I am? Om is Captain Murasa in the Team Mafia game. I'm not a stalker and he doesn't update his wiki so I don't know his other games, but on the site where he originally played mafia he also tactically replaced out as scum at least once (link to the game only works for members of the site and he was playing on an alt of an alt to boot). Anyway, Om replaced out because he was pissed and he thought people had a vendetta against him (he was permabanned from the site the rest of us play mafia on), which is a situation fairly specific to this game and which you won't find any meta for. Om having lots of posts doesn't mean jack shit given he spams as either alignment and half his posts here didn't say anything anyway. And if Om was so fucking motivated he wouldn't have replaced out. I wanted him to stay in the game because yeah, I'm pretty pissed that I took the initiative to personally invite him to play in this game with us when he's shown interest in such in the past, and he repays me by going IM BEING PERSECUTED and hightailing it out of here. It's not like he was being quicklynched and hell I WAS EVEN DEFENDING HIM so I don't know where he got that impression from; if you read the context of his replace outs as scum, he likes to replace out while he's under pressure while giving excuses about why he's replacing out, and I could imagine him doing something similar here while spicing it up with a "fuck you" to everyone else. But I'm not even voting or pushing him because I think there are more likely candidates for scum. In post 324, Working Manju wrote:
crestfall you have one post to tell us why we shouldn't policy lynch you
So why RC over BT? And you realize we don't have room for policy lynches in a 9P? In post 331, Shadoweh wrote:
Actually it's weird for me to see you angry Mr. Frozbobbo. Last time I saw you rage posting you were a nasty scumbag eyeball. You're not a scumbag eyeball this game, are you?
Ow, that hurts. No, I'm not scum this game (as should be fairly obvious by the amount of :effort: I put in this game vs in my scum games) and you're using lazy thinking, Youmu (my anger is non-alignment-indicative; it's just that I do get genuinely angry as scum unlike some other people).In post 331, Shadoweh wrote:
I don't think he was actually under voting pressure any more then normal.Maybe he didn't like being a kick me toy again when he's used to being treated with a little more respect by people at MS? (Not that that's hard). I'm biased in my position, but I think it's pretty easy to tell the difference between genuine rage and :effort:.
The highlighted is why his replace out pissed me off so much as I stated in my previous post. If he's town, then he's delusional and playing the victim card again; when I read this replace out coupled with the timestamps of his arrogance in the recently completed Open 429 I got pretty steamed. If he's scum, then he's using ~*tactical replacement*~ again and he's a dick.In post 331, Shadoweh wrote:
Then again you guys have the anger reading skills of a potato. >_> (Fake Guilttyyyyy)
Rewriting history omg scum lynch. You were totally mad because you were caught for the wrong reasons. KILGA CASE WHERE? If I thought he was scum for the replace out I'd have switched back onto him. Right now I'm ignoring it and so I have a nulltown read based on his pre-replace stuff, plus the teaser Shadoweh gave. In post 337, shos wrote:
frobozzo, you should really stop using those pictures, it's freakin annoying.
Using these pictures is the only way to keep myself motivated for this game. Everyone else either looks like they're AWOL/not trying/tunneling. It's not even like I've been RPing, shos-sama. 
I don't have a "read" on you because your alignment is posted in the thread opener, shos-sama. uhh yeah kinda agree with RC re: Manju. Also, Manju still hasn't answered why RC over BT? This whole Chocola/thdgkdms spat reads like a huge distraction, honestly. You're both picking at personality issues and pissing each other off in a huge spiral. I think you're both town and this really has to stop. Hey thdgkdms, Chocola, what do you think about BT? BT, what about Chocola's posts don't read as pursual given the two of them have been having quote wall wars with each other? Not really understanding your case; how does #287 read like scum commenting on badtown instead of town, and why is post #329 more likely to come from scum!Chocola than town!Chocola? Dan is way overdue for a content post. It shouldn't take this long to give opinions; it's been a week. Shadoweh, who are you leaning for scum right now? Quick post for now. Manju, here's the thing. Sure, RC is objectively "bad" and I wouldn't cry too hard at his lynch. But the way you're pushing this really makes me doubt your motives, especially as your application of meta is completely bunk (see RC's most recent scum game as Decade in Kamen Rider where he gave ~*reasons*~ to vote sasword, plus like every recent town AND scum game of his where he does exactly what you're describing as his scum meta [not to mention in adorable mafia his first serious vote on ihnn came with a full explanation off the bat]). Especially considering that you did the exact same thing with your vote on RC (voted first, explained later). Also, if BT is "alright", what's your read on me? BT, what is your last paragraph even referring to? Also, what about Manju's post convinced you to move from your scumread to...someone you apparently don't have a scumread on? Would like clarification. In post 406, BT wrote:
I'd say it's pretty clearly talking about Manju's clear a post above. The voteswitch wasn't solely the work of his post; twas a process of reconsideration ever since I figured nothing much happenedbutthe Om thing during the Om thing. I stuck to the vote for those little gut reactions to some of his stuff that I feel are correct, but it's honestly a weak enough stance that I'm willing to lynch a lurker instead.
I've quoted the posts in question.In post 398, Working Manju wrote:my vote's on rylai because his first post was bad
chocola is tryhard town leader as scum but he doesn't give a fuck here, as scum he'd be trying harder to look town instead of being full-on tunnel mode.im the only one who's seen him as scum so you're gonna have to take my word for itbut he's like 100% town. don't want to lynch him or th but would lynch th over him
In post 399, BT wrote:
Actually, for now, Manju, wasn't his last scum game a while ago?He's tunneling alright but he doesn't seemrecklessor something else I'd write off as town. I'd even argue that this slapfight is beneficial for scum because, just, look at the results. The more I try to *meta* this the faster my head is spinning, so why don't you tell me what you think of his play, meta aside?
This is the thing though, because you say you're talking about Manju's clear but it's like you haven't read it. You're referring to a scum game that Manju has said you've never seen. Basically what this looks like to me is that you're just grasping at an excuse to switch your vote off of Chocola. Personally, I would rather lynch BT than Manju; I could see Manju as really lazy town and BT taking advantage of his push. Manju also has townreads on over half the town; if he's scum he has to break that charade sometime so I don't know if he would pigeonhole himself like that as scum. Dan, reasons where. BT wrote:
I actually have no idea what you're getting at here. What you bolded was me pointing out that the scum meta may be outdated. If you could tell mewhyI'm grasping for reasons (when I actually switched fairly easily if you ask me) then maybe I could reply. Another thing: why would hurrying to switch off of Chocola be part of my scum agenda?
>_> Manju didn't give a time frame for Chocola's scum meta at all, so I don't know where you got "outdated" from. "Grasping" because if all it takes for you to change your opinion is a second-hand meta argument like that then...your vote was weak to begin with. And if your vote is weak, it benefits scum!you to switch off Chocola so you can move off a weak vote and RC is an easy vote especially as you can basically ignore the rest of the game while voting RC. Here; what do you think about other people?In post 412, thdgkdms wrote:
I still highly recommend voting for Chocola. What better way to shut me up about him than to kill him?
thdgkdms, here's an example of why your entire wall argument is bullshit. You attack Chocola for using meta, when by far the biggest offender of ~*meta usage*~ in the game would be Manju, who you describe as "not seeing where the votes on him came from." The rest of this argument is MORE OF THE SAME. FFS, take off the tunnel glasses. Rethinking BT's response and will reply tomorrow maybe. I want RC to come in and give some more content. Considering switching to RC given that no one seems mildly interested in a BT lynch? I'm more willing to risk RC over Manju today. Still think thdgkdms is being insanely stubborn and not scum.thdgkdms wrote:
I'm not attacking him for using meta. I'm attacking him for being contradictory in his opinions on the usage of meta. Why does nobody seem to get this?
Moving goalposts. The entire premise is dumb because like you acknowledged, he only brought up meta BECAUSE I SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM ABOUT META. Meanwhile, his point on Om using meta was that Om was trying to use meta to defend himself WHEN HIS OWN WIKI PAGE PROFESSES THAT HE LIKES TO MIX UP TOWN AND SCUM METAS AND THEREFORE HIS META IS USELESS.
Do you see what you're trying to argue here? It's beyond dumb and it's not a valid point at all. And that's just one point that I picked out; reading the rest is just too painful and from what I did see it's no different. If you wanted to you could pick out any of the other players and nitpick their posts for contradictions and you'd be able to come up with just as much; for Chocola it's mostly because you two have gotten into this stupid wall war and it just creates more noise that feeds on itself. I give up. I'm pretty sure there are gambit shenanigans going on but I can't be bothered to think about them right now. Deadline's tomorrow; no one actually thinks RC is town; let's get a claim. Chocola, I already said I think thlsdkflks is misguided town. Don't want to lynch him today. 
Is that your exact role, RC? Judging from the previous iteration of this game a legit full JK would probably be the only town power role, if it existed (but seeing as the last town only had a 1-shot bp and a 1-shot vig...) RC, if BT was a lesser scummy read for you then why did you never mention him before? Weirdass kill.In post 478, Chocola wrote:In post 360, Rylai Crestfall wrote:
Also, Shadoweh! Why are you so content to just stand there doing nothing? You've replaced in, and you haven't done much of anything. And your slot looked bad before, it's looking worse now. Put him as my second scum pick.
Funny how RC voted BT when Shadoweh was his secondary
Well for one, Shadoweh wasn't even a viable wagon and RC's excuse for switching off Manju was "consolidation." Still think the Shadoweh slot is town though. thdgkdms technically works as a RC buddy but I don't think he's scum either. Also, I think that as scum he would have parked his vote on RC for bus cred instead of tunneling on a lynch no one would support, considering how RC looked throughout the day. I think Dan's stunt at the end of the lynch yesterday makes him town, along with other stuff. Don't think Chocola is scum either even though his interactions with RC were minimal. Chocola, explain which Om shenanigans make Shadoweh scummy? So it's down to Manju or BT for me...again. Still don't really know what Manju's gameplan would be as scum in this situation given that he actively picked out RC by townreading almost everyone else. I think the meta point that Dan brought up on Manju re:looking for scumreads vs looking for townreads is also true. I'm going to guess that it's BT, and the crossvote yesterday was an attempt at distancing given that people like me and Manju had already brought up a BT/RC scumteam so that one of them would reap the cred and coast to the endgame by taking advantage of stuff like the Chocola/thdgkdms fight. Also, I think RC was genuinely trying to push a lynch through on Manju, so there's that. I mean he actually gave reasons and stuff. Meanwhile this was the extent of BT's RC vote.In post 399, BT wrote:Mm, you know what? Fine.
UNVOTE: Chocola
VOTE: Rylai Crestfall
I'd normally take your word for it and switch to my second scumspect butwhoops it doesn't exist. I'll take the lurker over that. Dan is also lurking but you guys are townreading him too? I don't know.
Actually, for now, Manju, wasn't his last scum game a while ago? He's tunneling alright but he doesn't seemrecklessor something else I'd write off as town. I'd even argue that this slapfight is beneficial for scum because, just, look at the results. The more I try to *meta* this the faster my head is spinning, so why don't you tell me what you think of his play, meta aside?
Just enough reasoning to get onto the wagon but not enough reasoning that other people would be convinced to follow the vote. If I were scum I'd probably have shot Dan because of his quickhammer and general towniness. Shos is a lazy option I guess; confirmed town is unlynchable but as long as it doesn't lynch you (and in this case had a town read(?) on me) it doesn't hurt to have it around, plus I'm generally not scared of PoE as scum (because I labor under the delusion that I can lynch whomever I want). Shadoweh is super easy to read (as long as she doesn't lurk 
), plus Om was town anyway. In post 495, Working Manju wrote:
i'm frustrated with her though because even if this game is a shitfest she should have more motivation as town then voteparking on me without reading, but i doubt she's scum
Says the guy who decided to ignore all my posts because he didn't want to respond to them for some reason. You don't need a full reread to give preliminary opinions. Come on. In post 513, Working Manju wrote:
- like most of what you did d1 rubbed me the wrong way and that reaction reads scum intimidation, also stuff about rc/bt votes
Right, so the way I shot down your bullshit points on Om and RC rubbed you the wrong way, and my reaction to your bullshit is scum intimidation. Meanwhile, it's A-Okay when you deliberately try to piss off players and spew bullshit without any backing, right? Because that's not a scum tactic, nuh-uh. I see the light. Sorry for suspecting you BT.
