Micro 45 - Artemis Fowl Game Over

[Robocopter87]

VOTE: Nexus

[Robocopter87]

Well I know for sure that this game has town roles.

So theres that.

[Robocopter87]

Whaaaaaaaaaaa

get outta town

[Robocopter87]

What type of roles can this game have?

You didn't address this to anybody in particular.

I know we have town at least.

I don't see you catching scum either broski

All robo said is that town players exist, which I don't see how that's strange.

Gnr, what's wrong with the shos wagon?

Right?

I'm down for a little shos killing

Gonna kill nexus first though

[Robocopter87]

Got a better idea?

[Robocopter87]

Pfft fine

First post he RVSs
Second post says he didn't expect to find any content. He makes a post about a few reads. Obviously has formed an opinion.
Third post says he didn't read the posts before his first post. This is obviously false. How do I know? Because since when does anybody make a post on the first page without simply skimming the others?

At this point you are probably thinking, oh thats not so bad, well lets keep reading his ISO\

Fourth and fifth post, useless sarcasm
Sixth post he claims scum
Seventh he buddies to Shamrock
Eighth he asks why he is at L-2, talk about useless and scummy
Ninth post is a real playstyle change, oh wait no, he still is uselessly sarcastic
Tenth brings out more sham connecting and a fail attempt to accuse absta
eleventh admits he is full of crap
twelve he asks why he is being voted

So tell me where in here he is town. Because all I see is scum.

Satisfied?

[Robocopter87]

You've just shown that shos is either not very good at mafia or not playing seriously yet, but I'm not sure that you've shown he's scum.

Has anyone played with shos before? Is he normally this useless/self-focused early?

Screw meta. He is the scummiest person right now.

I lynch scummy people.

[Robocopter87]

It is bad when it is sole reasoning to disregard present evidence. It is alright when it is mildly used to get an earlygame view on another player.

Pedit: Lynch now, lynch later, whats the difference?

[Robocopter87]

Whaaaaaaaatever. You asked me why I was suspicious.

[Robocopter87]

@Robo

Pfft fine

So tell me where in here he is town. Because all I see is scum.

Satisfied?

It is bad when it is sole reasoning to disregard present evidence. It is alright when it is mildly used to get an earlygame view on another player.

Pedit: Lynch now, lynch later, whats the difference?

These are two quotes from you that I do not quite understand. The fact is you are taking a very anti-town behavior and seem to be playing alone. Why are you trying to

satisfy

the people who are asking you to explain you line of thought? If you are indeed town, you should be

wanting to help

us, not satisfy us.

Lynch now... or lynch later. If we lynch now we lose eight days of establishing a baseline on the player base, we lose discussion time. I am not sure how much useful information will be put in the updates, but from my experience on here my guess would be little. So which would be more helpful to the town, lynch now or later? Why are you playing against us?

Lynching later is key.

Just found the scumbuddy

Think he is very likely town.

Obv

[Robocopter87]

Inexperienced isn't really the word I would use.

Hes got the book smarts. Just not the street ones.

Regardless, he pulled out the whole "Lynching sooner is bad" argument. Which is just a massive scumtell to me.

[Robocopter87]

I successfully voted Nexus.

Gonna take a moment and let that seep in.

...

thats good stuff...

Alright.

UNVOTE: Nexus
VOTE: Shos

[Robocopter87]

I agree, but the main thing stopping me going "SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM" is that he's already shown a proclivity to discuss theory and this sort of fits with that.

He is still my strongest (only) scumread for now though.

pedit: What the heck

@Mod:

will a lynch on you resolve? And is the (3) on shos a typo or intentional?

Tell you what, how about you join me on Shos.

Prohawk is scummy. But I can see him being town. Shos is not town nor does he look like he can be town.

[Robocopter87]

Your robot sense must be way off.

[Robocopter87]

Yeah except you are blatantly misrepping me.

I said you are scum.

I said its possible that you are town. But I didn't say you were town. The point I was conveying was that you are less scummy than shos. Which is why i want shos dead and not you.

Lynching sooner and lynching later, in a game like this it makes no difference. People who say, "Oh we still need some discussion, deadline is far away we should wait it out" are just trying to gain towncred. Town doesn't need to gain towncred. Town needs to find scum. How do we find scum? by gathering information. Best way to gather information? Kill things and watch them flip. Saying we should wait is just a load of BS. It just stalls games.

"Anti-Town behavior"

I won't lie I laughed out loud a bit

PEdit: iknowrite?

[Robocopter87]

Yeah except you are blatantly misrepping me.

I said you are scum.

I said its possible that you are town. But I didn't say you were town. The point I was conveying was that you are less scummy than shos. Which is why i want shos dead and not you.

Lynching sooner and lynching later, in a game like this it makes no difference. People who say, "Oh we still need some discussion, deadline is far away we should wait it out" are just trying to gain towncred. Town doesn't need to gain towncred. Town needs to find scum. How do we find scum? by gathering information. Best way to gather information? Kill things and watch them flip. Saying we should wait is just a load of BS. It just stalls games.

Any misrepresentation stems from your short, jester filled posts. How can I correctly interpret your posts if you don't explain yourself?

Your statement still does not logically match up. If I

am

scum, then there is no possibility that I

could

be town. Therefore, either you originally did not think I was absolutely scum, or you changed your mind when you said that I could possibly be town. I realize that in almost every post you make some sort of light hearted/joking remark. You are consistent, which is why I did not originally suspect you as scum, however there is just something striking me as odd with how you are hunting. The other problem with that is we won't be able to tell when you are being serious or when you are joking. It also gives you an "out" that would allow you to say that you were joking in the event you made a mistake.

So your strategy is to watch flips and analyze the interactions/votes between players and their alignments? That to me just sounds like a whole ball of WIFOM arguments waiting to happen. I didn't make that post to give myself "town-cred". If I wanted to blend into the town I wouldn't be so argumentative. I made the post because I believe that it would not be in our best interest to follow your advice.

Can I ask you a question then... do you believe that lurking is beneficial to scum? Why/why not?

I think I've fully explained each and every action I've taken thus far and that any lack of explanation is just a failure to properly read.

Short posts are read. Walls are not. People don't like walls, people don't read walls.

To further your misrepresentation you say, "Your statement still does not logically match up. If I

am

scum, then there is no possibility that I

could

be town."

This is just wrong.

If I say you are scum, then i think your flip will be scum. There IS a possibility of you flipping town. Its called, "Robo not being right about something" which happens more often that I like to admit.

Nobody is perfect, and neither are reads. If you honestly think that I am so stubborn as to say that there is no chance of flipping town then I think you need to reevaluate who the stubborn person is.

But because you don't seem to get this, I'll bold it and go slowly.

You are scum.
You are not confirmed scum.
You have the possibility of being town.
Since I think that you are scum, I think the possibility of you flipping scum outweighs the possibility of you flipping town.
I think you are less scummy than shos.

I am rethinking that last line though.

So your strategy is to watch flips and analyze the interactions/votes between players and their alignments?

Holy frick I think you are getting somewhere. Bravo.

It is not a WIFOM ball waiting to happen. The amount of connections between scum and their partners are so large it is impossible to conceal all of them. Scum WILL show. It is our duty to find where it does.

Welcome to Mafia.

Can I ask you a question then... do you believe that lurking is beneficial to scum? Why/why not?

Depends upon the situation. Currently, it would not be a bad idea to lurk a bit.

That however, is active lurking. Active lurking is incredibly scummy to me.

Lurking because you are getting overloaded by work or school is entirely forgivable. Life > Mafia. That I understand.

Active lurking is where the person can full well post, but chooses to prod dodge and post fluff to get by, not actually doing anything but not getting prodded.

This is a clear cut scumtell.

[Robocopter87]

Post #107 -"Scum-buddy" Sounds pretty absolute to me. However, Robo claims it isn't and he would know best.

They know how to read, you don't gotta car salesman them and pretend like I'm not going to read this line of your post and address the rest

@ Robo,

I know you at least read my walls...

Just so we are clear, ending the day early gives scum a by. It allows them to post less in terms of no-fluff posts. In my eyes, its pretty close to allowing them to actively lurk without the risk of getting caught.

For the most part. They aren't too big and I'm kinda bored.

Ending the day early?

Who said anything about that?

[Robocopter87]

Just so we are clear, because you lack the ability to read between the lines.

It wouldn't be ending the day early unless there was more stuff needed to be done.

I think I've found scum. I'm ready to end the day. It isn't early. It is right on time.

[Robocopter87]

Vote: Robo

forces a lynch on a v/la player for really bad reasons, and there''s more. I'm iphone posting, I'll pos more when I'm bac

CMON GUYS

He omguses.

Uses his V/LA to make him look like a victim.

Says they are bad reasons. How much you wanna bet hes gonna trip and fall when he gets to actually putting down my argument?

Seriously. If you didn't think he was scum before, you should see he is scum now. Just the omgus alone should be the indicator of caught scum.

But I'm sure you guys will remain stubborn.

Go ahead shos, I wanna watch you try and tell me why this post right here,

Pfft fine

First post he RVSs
Second post says he didn't expect to find any content. He makes a post about a few reads. Obviously has formed an opinion.
Third post says he didn't read the posts before his first post. This is obviously false. How do I know? Because since when does anybody make a post on the first page without simply skimming the others?

At this point you are probably thinking, oh thats not so bad, well lets keep reading his ISO\

Fourth and fifth post, useless sarcasm
Sixth post he claims scum
Seventh he buddies to Shamrock
Eighth he asks why he is at L-2, talk about useless and scummy
Ninth post is a real playstyle change, oh wait no, he still is uselessly sarcastic
Tenth brings out more sham connecting and a fail attempt to accuse absta
eleventh admits he is full of crap
twelve he asks why he is being voted

So tell me where in here he is town. Because all I see is scum.

Satisfied?

is wrong.

Go on.

Try.

[Robocopter87]

Just so we are clear, because you lack the ability to read between the lines.

Its not about reading between the lines. Its about the grey area you are leaving to interpretation.

You are a smart guy, you should be able to figure it out.

I can go uber blunt with you, but I'll guarantee that you'll get mad at me for treating you like a child.

As of now, shos isn't the lynch for today.
VOTE: GNR
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@Mehdi

- Please provide a link of the game you were in with Mala.
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@Prohawk

- Post walls if you feel like it. More text = more substance to work with.

Mala stop talking bs please.

Kmd could easily be scum as well.

Lol we don't need your permission to lynch someone.

Also you didn't say a word about GNR or a reason.

Also you didn't say a reason about kmd.

Also your statement about walls is dumb.

Man you are so lost.

[Robocopter87]

absta why dont you just vote the whole frikkin town

[Robocopter87]

He is being useless. Which is not what I expected from him.

[Robocopter87]

I have not personally attacked anyone.

I am not hiding behind anything.

[Robocopter87]

I'll admit the more I talk to him the less scum and more misdirected town I think he is.

Come one pro, get your head out of the sand and look at the last post that shos made.

Tell me where you see town.

[Robocopter87]

Lol ill refute that case easily when i get a computer. Just wait for it lolk

Don't policy lynch me as lurker I really am in vacation loo. Ask anyone you like, I'm top poster in all my games, literally hyperactive. Just vla.

In short- robo is forcing a case. It is forcedcase101 to go over each and every post the target made and supposedly point out scumtells in 99% of the posts.

I'm calling a pro/robo team in this one.

Back to vla ))

Stop frikkin posting saying you will post and just post.

I don't care how easily you

say

you will do it. I want to see you

do

it.

Who said anything about lynching you because you are a lurker? And it wouldn't be close to a policy lynch at all seeing as there is a valid case against you. Again with the saying that you will do stuff.

I am not forcing a case. I made a case based upon the posts that YOU made. I did not force you to make those posts.

Pro/Robo team huh, man you are so pro

I'm sure putting multiple parenthesis will display an even happier emoticon.

(I'm getting tired of this, "Waah why are you lynching me!? I'm leaving on vaca now! I'm still on vaca but the top guy attacking me is obvscum and I'm gonna take down his case! I'm still on vaca but I just thought I should repeat myself and talk more trash before the argument! kthxbai")

[Robocopter87]

I would prefer no lurker lynches seeing the size of this game.

But I do think that we should start squeezin some juice out of those two.

Talk to me GNR

Gimme the low down on this hoedown

[Robocopter87]

No I meant that I want GNR to talk to me.

I want him to give me the lowdown on this hoedown.

[Robocopter87]

Alright Prohawk, time to have

the talk

You need to understand the difference between,

Null behavior
Scum behavior
Town behavior
Anti-Town behavior

and

Town mentality
Scum mentality
Anti-Town mentality

When you can properly identify these things, you can catch scum.

The reason I'm saying this is you continue to base your cases off of Anti Town behavior and not scum behavior.

Lurking and handing the game over to scum implies that he is NOT scum but is helping the scum in an undesirable way that you wish to eradicate.

But, seeing as the amount of lynches we have is minimal, we must base our lynches off of Scum behavior.

If you can find scum behavior, and link it with scum mentality, then you got yourself a case.

In laymans terms. Lynch the scum, not the town that acts like scum.

Now, I am not saying I think GNR is town, I am saying that he hasn't done anything "scummy" just yet.

[Robocopter87]

GNR does this as scum. If he replaces out, i'll remove my vote.

@Robo

Pro/Robo team huh, man you are so pro

This sounds like you're insulting town yet Shos is your "scum read".

Where the heck do I say that shos is town?

Again with the meta for reasoning? Please.

I will work on it. For now, he needs some pressure to talk, if he is replaced out then his lurking wasn't scummy. If he starts posting, he will need to prove himself.

Believe it or not people do have lives. Being inactive isn't alignment indicative

[Robocopter87]

This game has been going on for Five days so he hasn't floated at all.

[Robocopter87]

Is his association with shos null to you robo?

What association?

Tis what I do. I vote jump a lot.

Well stop doing it and do something more frikkin productive, we don't need that crap.

[Robocopter87]

What?

[Robocopter87]

I have no clue what you are saying.

Prohawk never voted shos in his first three posts.

He barely even mentioned him.

What the frick is goin on here

[Robocopter87]

OOOOOOOOoooooo

YEAH its null.

GNR random votes a guy, comes back and the guy is on the chopping block and he hasn't read the thread yet.

Sounds like the perfect time to unvote to me.

Anywho, we will just have to wait on GNR's proper post.

[Robocopter87]

Shos - Mala scumteam

Add in the fact that Mala has only placed mild suspicion on shos but opted to vote absta instead and I think we got ourselves a nice little connection.

Lets start with shos, imo

PEDIT: OOOOOOOOOOOOO BURN

[Robocopter87]

If thats what you wanna call it.

But if shos flips scum then mala is a good second.

[Robocopter87]

What if shos flips town? What does that say for Mala?

Then he flips town.

Doesn't mean anything for Mala, just a null tell.

[Robocopter87]

I knew you all would bend to my will.

Too easy.

[Robocopter87]

Because GNR hasn't properly done anything yet?

Shos has been around, shos has talked.

I say we let both of them get a post out first.

[Robocopter87]

I wish that shos would stop telling us he will post and just post.

[Robocopter87]

Still like the shos lynch.

[Robocopter87]

No you idiots.

Don't lynch GNR.

Seriously, if he was to flip scum it would be purely dumb luck.

You guys are being ridiculous, he hasn't even said anything yet.

WE ARE NOT LYNCHING GNR

DONT BE STUPID NOW

[Robocopter87]

Take him off L-1 before somebody does something stupid.

[Robocopter87]

Its stupid.

I don't feel like policy lynching in a 7man game when shos is clearly scummier.

Seriously, I don't care if we lynch him later on in the game but we gain NOTHING from lynching him Day One.

[Robocopter87]

Its stupid.

I don't feel like policy lynching in a 7man game when shos is clearly scummier.

Seriously, I don't care if we lynch him later on in the game but we gain NOTHING from lynching him Day One.

Except this is a 9man game. We've already shown he lurks as scum. I still don't agree that the way he acted towards shos is null. And look at how mala/shos have talked about him. Shos says he's posted nothin, doesn't want him to be lynched, and says his first post of content is correct.

Don't give me your meta BS.

He hasn't done anything scummy.

You guys are just being lazy.

[Robocopter87]

Robo, it seems to me that you havcen't responded to anything I have said. at all. namely, for example - you did not respond to me about your case on me. you're pushing a lynch like a maniac, and it seems that once again you're doing it with no reason. your case is based on 12 posts that contain 0 content - RVS+vla - and you call that scummy for some reason. you need to step up or rethink.

I'm not starting a quote wall but I swear to god if you challenge my case I will destroy those posts you made.

So tell me shos, you want me to show you whats wrong with the post?

We should probably lynch at this stage. I'll support a lynch of Shamrock or Mala today.
VOTE: Shamrock

You just don't get it, do you?

[Robocopter87]

Look absta, you've pretty much accused everybody of being scum.

You need to work out what you think.

[Robocopter87]

Do you honestly think that threatening to lynch someone but also simultaneously saying that you won't lynch the person is going to make that person respond any faster?

Simply asking him to post will suffice.

[Robocopter87]

Who said he was using it as a tactic?

I think you are just being overly paranoid.

[Robocopter87]

I'm actually quite down for an absta lynch.

He has been all over the place, very sloppy with votes and reads.

I would still much prefer a shos lynch. But in the even of a drawing deadline I would jump on an absta lynch.

[Robocopter87]

Lol at shos

kill it with fire

I also lol'd at him directing Night Actions, regardless of alignment, thats just funny.

Chaos, sup? On first sight the Prohawk slot looks bad but I honestly think that it is a personality thing. Prohawk has a thing for being overlogical.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[Robocopter87]

P-Edit: If you flip town i'll be looking at Robo/Kmd.

WHERE THE HECK DID YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY MAFIA

Seriously, does that make ANY sense whatsoever to you?

Why don't you just stop talking and just sheep other people.

You are getting ridiculous.

You too Mala.

Just frikkin lynch shos today.

[Robocopter87]

Nobody is going to follow your reads.

You played terribly.

Your reads were terrible.

I'm glad that you were finally lynched.

You acted like scum. We voted you. You died. Regardless of the flip we have done nothing wrong.

[Robocopter87]

You are voting Prohawk too, so why are YOU voting prohawk?

Also I'm ticked off for no apparent reason.

[Robocopter87]

Its not RVS. Not even close.

[Robocopter87]

You didn't say "random vote", you said RVS.

Big big difference.

[Robocopter87]

Down for a absta or Mala lynch.

Would kill CO too, but thats just because

Want to hear more from kmd.

Lets get this done.

[Robocopter87]

why Mala?

General uselessness.

But notice how she just voted CO and said she was willing to vote Pro BUT WAIT A MINUTE. What happened to her absta read?

That kind of lack of continuity in reads is disturbing. And I wouldn't mind having her die.

[Robocopter87]

I miss Medhi.

[Robocopter87]

Actually if you check past games I lean highly lean on catching scum off the NK's. it's a town tell for me, sorry to break it to you KMD.

oh BS

[Robocopter87]

Mala's self meta is a null tell. It means nothing. Especially since she used it to call herself town.

[Robocopter87]

Robo, maybe, but she has a point that the specific point I raised against her was invalid because she does it as town as her links clearly show.

I understand.

My point was that it negates what you said, but it doesn't make her town in any way, it just negates.

In any case, I'm intrigued by the CO case. Not enough to vote though.

I need to sheep someone.

[Robocopter87]

K. What type of action would you prefer? I can get my cape, run around the town, make some swooshing noises and fight some crime, would that be good for action?

[Robocopter87]

Where the heck did CO tunnel?

Are you just making crap up now?

[Robocopter87]

I retract my statement about wanting CO dead.

Due to abstas last post, I want him dead very much so.

Prohawk continues to be a hard read due to the fact that I don't know if he is inexperienced or just overlogical or what he is. Leaning scummy though, especially the part about the swearing.

[Robocopter87]

I'll place a vote whenever the VC comes up.

[Robocopter87]

VOTE: Robo

You're cute.

[Robocopter87]

I'll place a vote whenever the VC comes up.

How can something I say make you want CO dead more than myself? Such bs.

How about the fact that you were willing to stand on the sidelines during the middle of something for what I'm sure you'll claim to be info gathering.

Except it won't be info gathering, it will be active lurking.

Your vote is pathetic because you've called pretty much everybody here scum.

You don't have any consistency, you aren't helping in the slightest.

[Robocopter87]

Where the heck did you get the idea that I thought you were scum together?

I said CO was TOWN. Not scum.

[Robocopter87]

Guess I didn't read it closely enough.

Still.

[Robocopter87]

Why would you quote my reasons and then ask for my reasons?

[Robocopter87]

Claim or die.

If there isn't a claim in your next post, then I am going to hammer you.

[Robocopter87]

Claim or die.

If there isn't a claim in your next post, then I am going to hammer you.

[Robocopter87]

Oh no.

I thought absta must've been in the process of making a post, then i posted. then he posted his with a slight edit at the bottom asking me not to hammer yet. I am merciful enough to allow that to slide.

No I'm not joking.

Unless someone unvotes, then I will kill absta if his next post doesn't contain a claim.

Try me. It isn't an empty threat.

Probably should put a time limit on it too, so that he doesn't just wait it out.

[Robocopter87]

VOTE: absta

[Robocopter87]

Whatever you were, it wasn't town.

[Robocopter87]

Go whosoever side you are on and may the other team play less effectively.

[Robocopter87]

Whooooooooooooooooooooo

Hey

Sorry about the night action Night One, SOMEONE may have FORGOTTEN that day ended in only 24 hours. So yeah

I'm kinda glad I died, seeing as I never would've been up for a kmd lynch. Chaos would've been lynchable to me, but kmd was town in my mind.

Good job, town.

[Robocopter87]

haha, was going to ask you about that one Robo...

Did you read his (kmd's) D3 argument when he was trying to lynch me? His argument was probably super apparent to me because I knew my alignment, but I thought it was pretty telling...

Are you seriously asking if I read a game thoroughly while I was dead?

Others maybe, but not this guy!

Dead Thread

Sad Face

I no get link

[Robocopter87]

You didn't ask for it.

Also, trying to break my games with flavour will never work. Ever. I deliberately make it unbreakable.

Ah ok, yeah I do the same thing, unless they ask I don't really care/think about it and thus they don't get one.

Second time this game I've complained to you about something that was my fault