Micro 70 ~ Mafia in Triplicate (Game Over!)

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Vote: Tierce

All other votes are boring.

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Vangelis?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vangelis

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Unvote, Vote: Empire

Ownage? Seriously? Tierce is digging to see what comes up and NS is being stubborn, that's the summation. If I had a guess, NS isn't going to be lynched for a joking reaction to a joke, but I think we can lynch YOU for painful brown-nosing.

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Yes, yes, "Shmugen is scummy", get it out of your system like everyone else in any game I've ever been in. NS's crime then, Tierce, is not contributing to RVS in the general fashion and then voting you? Do I have that right?

@F16 - If I had to pick one of the two to be scum, I'd pick Tierce, but any scum worth their salt knows they have to pick their battles. This battle is silly and not one I would bother fighting if I was scum, ergo I think they're both town. Sheeping is all well and good, I do it a bit too often, but there is a difference between general sheeping and over-praising of the sheep-ee's case, which I have already described as, at face value, barely worth the effort of the keystrokes.

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You often learn a lot more about a player's alignment in the arguing than the point of the argument.

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Where did I call that scummy?

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Not a great assumption. As I said, scum have to choose their battles, and while there is info to be gleaned in the arguing, I think Tierce hit on something weak from NS (note that I have invited Tierce to explain to me the case, as I may be missing something) and went at it pretty strong, which I wouldn't expect from her. Now, Captain Falcon, here's the kicker: We have no idea what the scum wincon is. If it's a general scum wincon, they have to win in 5p LyLo, but I doubt it is, driving Tierce away from a more take-it-easy and wait for a good argument to bubble up mentality.

Again, this is if I had to pick one of them. It's not enough for me to go on early D1.

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Because what Empire has said is 'No, I just really like the reasoning, and I think NS is bad the same way Tierce did.' The only point that I could even respond to is that of NS calling Tierce opportunistic and not Empire, to which I say if you're being attacked by someone who says they're sheeping, you argue with the person who they're sheeping, not the sheep.

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That's not usually my modus operandi when I have a scumread. I'm the instigator, I try to bring up a point and let others carry it along. Yes, I thought Empire's sheeping was scummy. Yes, it's only page 3. No, the scumread isn't so strong that I'm going to read into everything Empire says and post about it.

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Yes, though as a warning they are mostly large themes.

Town:
Abarat 2
Chrono Trigger

Scum:
Literal Music Video Mafia (Replaced in, flaked hard)
Arkham Smalltown(Smalltown format)
Otherworld Mafia

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I would vote for Empire at this point but that'd take him to L-1 and I don't want to do that. I also don't want to do that because I have this niggling feeling about Shmu that makes me maybe not want to jump on a wagon he's leading.

It's a rare opportunity.

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Unvote

Will synthesize more of what's going on here later, but a town bloc was forming and then poofed.

I'm now of the opinion that Empire is town.

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Did a quick skimming reread. Something about the tone of F16's questions doesn't seem right, starting from the original townread on Tierce because she broke the voting circle and scum want to blend in and continuing through this Konowa bit, seemingly pushing for more of the info.

VOTE: F16, though I want to hear more from Xalxe especially.

Tierce, where do you want to poke at today?

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I'll put it this way, fellow who posted two minutes after me. I'm never one to talk re: skill level, but the bit about Tierce's breaking the voting circle being a townread is bush league. The only motivation I can see for it is not knowing who Tierce is and thinking it would get Tierce to leave you alone.

As for Konowa, I don't fully comprehend the paranoia argument, but it smells like you're trying to bait people into chainsawing. I misread the bit about Konowa not asking for info as you wanting him to say more, my bad on that front.

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Is he town, Tierce, what with the wincon not burning brightly in his memory?

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Hm.

Unvote

I didn't pick up our conversation, F16, as Konowa has yet to make a reappearance.

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Saul, my 'if I had to pick one' comment was not dependent on Tierce or NS to establish the status of the other.

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Vote: Saulres

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Apparently I need to learn to type more clearly. At this stage of the game, Tierce was fighting with Nobody Special over something I considered silly/frivolous. If Tierce was scum, this is not a battle I would see her fighting, ergo my thinking she was town. I was not talking about my picking of any battles.

@16 - It took a few more readings, but I get where you were going with the Konowa point now. I think what was throwing me was your phrasing when talking about how you weren't debating Tierce's townread on Konowa, leading me to think you agreed with it only to vote him in the next post? I should really try taking notes one of these games so I understand what I've been thinking.

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In post 169, Shmugen wrote:
Saul, my 'if I had to pick one' comment was not dependent on Tierce or NS to establish the status of the other.


I don't see that. If you thought the argument was silly, then if you're town, there are three possibilities:

1) It's a scum-on-scum battle.
2) It's a town-on-town battle.

You didn't put forth either of the above possibilities. You went with the third option:

3) It's a scum-on-town battle. That's when you said "if I had to pick one". As town, you shouldn't be picking one, you should be looking at both possibilities. Either:
a) Tierce-scum vs NS-town, or
b) Tierce-town vs. NS-scum.

You addressed option a. And then you said that that option didn't work, because you couldn't see Tierce-scum making such a big deal out of that argument. And that's what you said in 176:

Hypotheticals, my dear scarecrow. I did put forth option two given my info at the time, along with a variation of option 3. As stated, I thought the argument was silly. I thought Tierce's insistence on the NS vote on Vi foolish, considering that Vi DID advertise the game as non-normal, and NS's omgus vote on Tierce equally foolish considering their intellectual debate. The surface level of that kind of play is too shallow to ascribe serious reads to either Tierce or NS, but it reminded me of town v town, hence the statement.

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Shmugen,

@16 - It took a few more readings, but I get where you were going with the Konowa point now. I think what was throwing me was your phrasing when talking about how you weren't debating Tierce's townread on Konowa, leading me to think you agreed with it only to vote him in the next post? I should really try taking notes one of these games so I understand what I've been thinking.

You thought I agreed with Tierce's townread on Konowa but I voted Konowa anyways which you found as scummy? Why did you need to wait for Konowa's response to answer that?

I'll put it this way, fellow who posted two minutes after me. I'm never one to talk re: skill level, but the bit about Tierce's breaking the voting circle being a townread is bush league.

The only motivation I can see for it is not knowing who Tierce is and thinking it would get Tierce to leave you alone.

So, you did not read this post?

Yo. I know who you are. How come you're apparently not the least bit paranoid of me here?

If you did read it, then you are fabricating scumtells.

As for Konowa, I don't fully comprehend the paranoia argument, but it smells like you're trying to bait people into chainsawing

. I misread the bit about Konowa not asking for info as you wanting him to say more, my bad on that front.

Can you explain the bolded part. I don't understand it.

Also, you say you misunderstood why I was voting Konowa, but my 126 explains why I thought Konowa was scum. So, the misunderstanding was cleared. Why did you need to wait for Konowa's response to only later give me an answer that had nothing to do with Konowa's response?

1. I wanted to wait for Konowa's response, I didn't want to talk it out to the point where Konowa's response would have been altered. Some of these conclusions I've come to lately I had not come to the first time. My reading style and active memory do not play nice with mafiascum.

2. I read it. Again, hypotheticals. Even though it could not be due to Tierce's post you quoted, it was still the only reason I could think of to say that. That exchange does tell me that you and Tierce are not scum together, though, so there's that.

3. Based on the understanding I had when I typed the bolded part, it felt a lot like you were trying to get Konowa to defend Tierce's reasoning via fighting with you.

4. Konowa's response did not end up changing what I thought.

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Which part, the hypothetical or the you two not scum together? If the first, yeah, somewhat. I'm in this angry place with alts right now where I rudely assume they're newbs and this is their first game while reminding myself that what they're actually doing is trying to trick me at a very base level. If the second, nah, I'm happy for myself that I put that together. Square peg goes into square hole, yeah, but I did it myself for once.

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Is this a typical white flag setup? I've never done one, do scum have a traditional wincon?

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Prod-dodge while someone opts to wise up.

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Something about lynching two scum. Looks eerily similar to the sample PM.

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Is that truly what you think I meant when I said 'wise up'? I was referring to the Saulres wagon.

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I'm a stranger to the White Flag format, I was of the opinion this was a funky game that followed the town portion of what is apparently a semi-common game type. In that case, the scum wincon of the White Flag format should be semi-common knowledge.

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I see.

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My hammer-sense is burning red. It compels me to ask if people are cool with this.

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I'm cool with waiting for Empire. Seems like we could hit deadline easy trying to wait for Xalxe.

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I like the idea of NS fishing for rarefaction info for the scumteam. The power isn't even interesting in theory, scum turned town would know their partners, and if they're modkilled for mentioning their former partners, they're essentially treestump'd by NS's supposed ability. I doubt Xalxe is coming, but intent to hammer is still there.

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Mod ~Vi-chan~, how long after a prod is someone replaced?

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Vi, you magnificent bastard. ...wha?

I want to give NS's roleclaim a once-over once the dust settles and the questions are answered.

@Vi, you magnificent bastard - This a one-time event and tomorrow we're back to normal?

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...?

No, Shmu. This is THE game. We have three lynches.

Ah, we have to get it right in 2 of 3 cells. No night phase. That adds a dimension to NS's role.

Rarefaction is the rest of the game, Vi, then why is the game in Rarefaction I?

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Meaning nothing but that a future game may be part II?

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Ah, yo finally comprendo.

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Fair enough. Anyone else want to claim any abilities that work during night phases, which we no longer have? Unless Tierce thinks it's a bad idea?

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I, similarly, am VT. There's a good amount of uncertainty about my play this game, unfortunately, I think I lucked out in the cell I was placed in as I have the one with the crazy claim kid who was up for being lynched in the first place. Gotta reread Shamrock anyway though.

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I'm keeping my eye on the thread so that when Tierce is ready we can resume, but it'll be a day or two until I can do concrete digging on the other cells.

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Vote: Nobody Special

If by some miraculous stroke of wtf NS is town, Shamrock got as lucky being put in this cell as I did.

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Suh-weet. Carry on, my wayward son.

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Alright, I should be home and able to focus tonight, expect a Shmu-style wall for each of our remaining contenders within 24 hours.

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I don't see me reading through and finding a better candidate than Xalxe's slot, but I'm not the best at this. Worst comes to worst, we have a 50/50 shot with the last cell.

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Hey, good work everyone! I liked the fast pace and flabbergasting mechanic. Always a pleasure, Vi.

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I might end up using this game as a reminder that my gut is sometimes decent, even if I have problems justifying it.