Micro 100: Nomination Mafia (Game over!)

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Confirmed Ladies and Gentlemen.

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So my good fellows, how shall we proceed?

A game of questions? or a game of votes?

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Vote: Chkflip for thinking one can give answers without asking questions.

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EBWODP:

VOTE: Chkflip (see above post for reasoning.)

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MattP... I'm looking at your behavior... And you are seeming unnecessarily defensive over what seems to be a light hearted joke and playing along.

I don't see how chkflip's post is in anyway scummy. Nor do I see how your opening posts are in anyway town.

At best I find them anti-town or null.

I'm getting strange flashbacks to another game where you should have been the day one lynch. (Well your slot) I seem to recall similar behavior from you there.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=22391

Here you go... I may be getting him confused with replacement but I do feel he made similar actions in this linked game.

Now at best I am mistaken and it is entirely different, keep in mind this is what my gut is telling me.

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Finally, Matt's going to be quiet for a few minutes so that everyone else can get a word in edgewise.

Everyone who wasn't fast asleep like normal people for their timezone.

I am NOT getting a town read from MattP at all. He's throwing more things out there, his reasonings are WTF you make no sense.

I Don't see the scum motivations for his jmo case. In fact, If MattP is town, he's tunneling, if he's scum... It's obvious, you shouldn't be calling him town because A: He's posting a lot, I post a lot as scum too, post count does not make a player scummy. (That is, when I'm allowed to.) B: His whole intoxicated post section. And then he attacks people for joking about it?

even I got that jmo's question to me about my RVS on chkflip was a joke from my "reasoning" His scum hunting feels faked. Chkflip does seem scummy, however wisdom could be a pontential partner. And I don't believe I'm familiar enough with Reckoner to give comment on whether his play this game matches his scum meta, but it feels more town to me on a gut level. (These are mainly gut reads for me, I know I'm leaving people out but these are the stand outs.)

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Ugh... All of these people look town to me. Nice job scum.

I'm going to look over them and see if there is a scum lurking in the midst.

(BTW, I refuse to vote for myself so I'm not counting me in that list.)

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In theory but I presume town would eventually catch on and start figuring that certain players were scum. for example, If MattP isn't nominated the next nomination section, and isn't lynched tomorrow he would be scum.

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Explain. Please, how with the results of Chk's flip how MattP is town?

Methinks YOU are the scum trying to set up a townie for a lynch, in this very turn.

If I wanted to set up MattP for a lynch, he'd be in here right now, and I'd be voting him.

However, I believe that jmo is being framed for his being the chief vote from a townie.

Which leaves you as the obvious town now that I've thought of it.

VOTE: Orcinus

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You'll find if you take a look at my meta that I "Freudian slip" as town as much as as scum. However that's a minor point.

I think you'll find if you look at my first post of this day I state quite clearly that this looks like an ALL town trio. So if I had to pick one of us for being scummy well, it's between you and jmo. It's too convient for jmo to be scum, but not too convienient for you to be scum out of the three.

So please, avoid using "typical" scum tells and actually give a reason I'm scum. And why I would put myself on the chopping block as scum if that was the case.

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Again, Your entire case is basically a list of standard scum tells. Are you an alt by the way... because you sound too experienced with this set up to be a n00b.

But you do have a point at the end.

We'll just have to wait and see what the others think.

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Oh, you spoke it like a standaradized scumtell. My bad.

And if you rely on scumtells, they are wrong. I think the only scum tell I know of that has a near perfect ratio is the Amished Tell, which basically only applies if a replacement calls his predecessor scummy.

We are going to have to wait I suppose to see what the rest of town thinks because neither of us are going to change our votes, and frankly, your case is at best weak and assumption based, and frankly based mainly it seems on a one game meta. If you can prove to me that scum does this frequently (database 5 games if possible.) Then I might consider your case to have some credit. As it is, you are basically attacking me for making a theory assumption which, as jmo has pointed out, I'm not the only one to make it.

Oh and for the rest of the player's sake, Bananarama was a newbie game that jmo and I played in together, we were both town in that game.

Wow, MattP get some sleep and maybe stop proving points?

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EBWODP:

Note the first three sections of my post are at Orcinus, the line about Bananarama refers to jmo's the last line is obvious as to who it is directed to.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=23506

Wow MattP... I'm remembering why I was having flashbacks to Hetrosexual... You were insulting in that one two I recall.

God I wish I could lynch you right now.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=23506

Here's the link if anyone cares to read up.

Orc, I'd recommend it, as it will probably give a fuller explanation for jmo's read on me.

And Orc, I freely admit I have no case, but I will say that the only thing that truly seperates us I think is the fact that I commented on MattP... Someone who I've already said was scummy in this game. (in fact the only reason I didn't vote him when I initially said it was because He was at L-1, and I felt it was too early to lynch. And frankly, I think by the time I posted next chkflip had been already lynched...)

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MattP, that's what Day 2? Day 3?

Either way It's not your first post so point remains.

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Nope. Because really all you did was give an argument that I've already given...

Proves nothing on me, proves nothing on you.

G'day chap. Think harder.

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Why thank you for noticing that I'm an anglophile.

However I really suggest you stop talking about yourself.

Orcinus, I'll get back to you when Matt stops cluttering so I can type a full response and say everything to make sense.

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Sorry Matt. I will never call someone who makes judgements while drunk a townread. It's better you shut up and not make yourself look scummy.

on 239: I'm responding to Matt's 231, Look at the link, it's at the bottom of the page, if you look they are about 10 pages in. Unless it was an incredibly long first day, He didn't act antagonistic from his first post...

Therefore, my point on his scumminess still remains.

Dang my memory in these games can be faulty as F***... But to be honest, at the time I posted that, I couldn't remember if MattP was still at L-1. And thus didn't remove my vote. Which was dumb on my part.

Oops.

Hope that helps.


Also Simple, because everytime I try to post I see 50 more posts that are a pile of drunken rambling.

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I'm going to need to reread, DrunkMatt has been very distracting. But I'll probably review the last couple of pages of posts from him to be able to give you a more affirmative opinion.

And Personally Matt... I do not consider your drunk posts as a sign of your being town. even if you had been buddying me I would have thought of it that way.

I do feel that jmo is sheeping me a little which concerns me and I'll have to look at him further (and if it hasn't been 50 drunken posts from MattP, it sure feels like it.)

More later.

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cat calling the mirror black eh?

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Actually I just did Orc. And need I say... I'm meh... All in all meh. I'm not confident enough to call him scum, but not confident enough to call him town. His seeming buddying of me disturbs me. His play does not remind me of his town play in afore mentioned game we have mutual meta in... However I found that play very scummy so... He might have changed his play.

So, I still prefer you as a vote at present, if mainly because you are too chummy with my chief scum read. However I am willing to vote Jmo.


Matt just a second, I'm calling bull on a that post about "When I'm an agressive lunatic." You have at least directly insulted two players in the past conversation in this game. Quotes coming soon.

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Nope. Because really all you did was give an argument that I've already given...

Proves nothing on me, proves nothing on you.

G'day chap. Think harder.

You're a lying sack a poop and you're lift your pinky when you drink tea

MattP, that's what Day 2? Day 3?

You are a sad little manipulator

Be embarrassed with yourself

That's what I was saying^^^ Matt is scum. He is. Period. If he isn't, il be very shocked. He did nothing but defend himself by calling others noobs and other things.

You

Are

A

Noob

Hey TAM I have a question why are you the most posturific scumfuck in the world

You, jmo and Wisdom should start a brothel

jmo being a fucking aggressive lunatic towards me is disturbing and scummy and particularly sad

Explain how these are generic posts... Please.

Interesting point Orc. Not completely sold but I'm going to take a second look.

Orc, right now, my case on you is gut and buddying my top scum read (MattP)

There summed up.

Now, having said this, I'm going to reread jmo in full, With MattP (shudders.) Though I will say this, if my theory on reading jmo with mattp in full is right, then jmo flipping scum will deadset my read on MattP.

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UNVOTE:

I'm really digging the idea of MattP/jmo scum team. Day one and even today looks like a massive distancing attempt. MattP knows that his personality is going to draw them to think he and jmo are enemies, jmo is seen as a decent sacrifice..

Note, if Jmo is scum, MattP HAS to be scum, I cannot envision jmoscum with anyone else at present time.

VOTE: Jmo

Orc, my comments are always based on my views, which I do not put down my entire thought process as I move on, I can be made to consider evidence and change my mind. After thinking it over, I can see a scenario where scumjmo would be put here. (one of which is mentioned above, I'm not mentioning my other theories for the simple fact that I can't really see anyone that it could work with.) Once I could see that, obviously my assertion was wrong. I consider your actions with MattP during this drunk stage of his as buddying. (blatantly asking him to vote against me for instance)

Also, if you want some scum meta from me, I can give you the only game where I actually did anything.

Oh please, MattP. I don't consider any of the stuff you've posted jokey. Maybe that's where we disagree, but I consider you the type of player I don't enjoy playing with. Please stop making comments that reflect back onto you and I will gladly point out that no where have I defended jmo in regards to this conversation OTHER to say that it's rich since you are doing it too.

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Oh I love this how rich. Trust me... I wish I had remembered that you were that scum in Heterosexual who should have been lynched before I replaced in. I wouldn't have bothered signing up. I would have had confirmation that this game was going to be a load of bull.

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MattP, Want meta links to every town game I have on site?

Because that's what your pressure reaction comment is worth. Shit. Because out of my games completed that weren't lost to the crash, I think maybe 2 I'm scum, and I think there's none that I don't react badly to pressure in... Will have to check that last fact, but I'm pretty certain.

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God Orcinus... did you say one logical thing in there besides "OH no! Someone else buddied up with my target, despite the fact that jmo does seem more scummy to the point where my buddy up target agrees and may not follow me into lynching who I want to lynch."

Because that's what I heard in your last few posts.

How am I ignoring you after jumping on jmo... I went to BED.

Oh trust me, when something logical appears in one player being scum and I have only gut on the other player, I generally will use the choice of logic every time. Not my fault you are determined to find me scum, you know that's tunnelling right?

And if I was truly scum, you still have tomorrow to lynch me if you really think that still after today's flip?

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I mean in theory I can see why you would put a strong town member on the chopping block, with three strong town members.

But scum would see the advantage of making things look a little scummy and begin to destroy the credibility of the "Strong Townies" that way.

Oh WIFOM, how I love thee.

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Because if one of them is lynched, the other gets Uber town points (in theory) for catching scum.

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LOL, I think it's hilarious that you think scum me would put myself in and expect NOT to get lynched.

Allow me to point you to my one scum game.

In it, I fully expect to be lynched midway through day one, and do whatever I can to get town confused before I get lynched. It didn't work, but really, your thought process is stupid and I wouldn't have suggested that to my scumbuddy if I had one.

Your theory is so wack it smells. Orcinus, please pick someone to vote for and stick to it. Your flip flopping is making you scummier.

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Wait, am I missing something MattP? How can Reck be scum? I thought you said he was town?

Hmmmm Interesting.

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Because Wisdom's scum and he knows that if he doesn't give me time to claim and flip town, he'll be tomorrow's lynch?

By the way, I am town for the record.

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Wisdom, first, I have also said that I think all three players currently up for nomination are town, I also accused Orcinus of being scum, Of my Scum reads, Matt is the only one I feel strongly about.

But for both Matt and Wisdom, my comment directly refers to Orcinus's post as to why Wisdom was going to wait until tomorrow to hammer. I'm giving a snarky response as to a reason why, EXPECTING Wisdom to counter it. Oddly enough he chooses to attack me saying he's scum instead of correcting my reasoning seeing as I'm obviously making an assertion based on a potential possibility if you consider that MattP is my strongest scum read. I've already given my case on why you shouldn't lynch me, and that's all I can give, I cannot offer you a better option between Jmo and Orcinus because neither one seems scummy enough to be definite on, however I have to choose the one I think is the most scummy since there are only three I can vote for, so I chose jmo over Orcinus. Plain and simple.

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Because, jmo's alignment reveals more to me than Orcinus's would.

However that's me, and I also think I can get more people to actually want an jmo lynch than an Orc lynch (if you haven't noticed I initially suggested an Orc lynch.)

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Train of thought typing How I love thee.

That was sarcasm that I just wrote,

However to the quoted section, I suppose I should have used thought, but the meaning doesn't change much. However please do misread my posts as I go on to say in the first quoted that

however I have to choose the one I think is the most scummy since there are only three I can vote for, so I chose jmo over Orcinus. Plain and simple.

Also I'd like to point out that people have actually voted for jmo. Orcinus I was the only vote for ever.

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Where did I say you were my scummier read Orcinus? Obviously I consider you both town, and I want to get to someone who is actually scum. If it means going for the so called "easier lynch" then so be it. My main objective is to get to the real scum, and the real scum is MattP, and having to lynch one of you two is an inconvienience.

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Wisdom please stop avoiding the questions, because you are looking incredibly scummy from my standpoint. No town in their right mind will be convinced to agree with you if you don't share your reasoning... The fact that you are now switching who you are buddying with no visible thought process change disturbs me, and if You and Matt aren't scum together... One of you most certainly is.


Please make my laugh longer.

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Please observe that Matt is my scum read, Reck is null. From what I know of Reck this is normal play.

Excuse me if I need you to actually convince me that Matt is town.

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Quil, can you give us a vote count that isn't just VC here? please?

I'm either at L-1 or I've been lynched already I'm quite sure and we've just been dragging convo out waiting for a response.

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Orc please, you're just butthurt because a bunch of people decided that you were a better lynch than me.

I don't see why they didn't go after jmo... you may keep doing scummy things but he's sure to confirm alignments.

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Yeah, yeah Matt, If He flips scum I'll be sure to account for that, if he flips town though, I'm gunning for you.

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orc, you just entered WIFOM territory.

If I flip town, there is no town cred from voting me.

a scum jmo would know this. So he wouldn't vote me because of it.

Please explain how scum jmo voting me benefits scum if I flip town. (which I will, because Matt is scum who can't pick a target to choose from 3 townies.)

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I of course, am throwing myself fully into a MattP lynch. It makes the most sense to me.

Of course, I will not vote now so that we can have time to discuss, but that's where my vote is headed.

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Really Reck you should start reading the game and paying attention, you're ruining my town read on you, but I think MattP is where scum lies.

After that, well Orc is kind of looking good if I wasn't sure he was town...

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Well Wisdom, I seem to recall saying that Matt was my top scum read and I would be pressing for his lynch today. That fact still has not changed.

I would gladly go head to head with you on this Matt, but if you think you'd be better off revealing your scumbuddy to me, so much the better.

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Reck, 1. There is orc, matt, you, Me and Wisdom alive.
2. Matt was the only one voting anyone.
3. It takes three to lynch.

Actually play the game and do your job and find actual scum.

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I'm done with this.

VOTE: MattP

Orc and wisdom, help me lynch MattP and after nominations we can get Reck. Winning town the game.

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Fine then. But MattP is going down if I have anything to say about it.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Reck

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Oh it won't be a mislynch scum.

And I'll get your little scumbuddy at the first point available.

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Scum slip much?

I swear to god, if Matt and Reck are not scum together, I have no idea who of Wisdom and Orc is.

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Well

If either of

TAM or ORCI is town

we just lost.

Bolded for your benefit.

If you are scum, town has not lost if either Orc or I am town.

The only way Town loses is if you are town.

Therefore, you are telling your scumbuddy that either one or the other is town and has caught out you both and therefore that Orc or I should be killed as soon as possible.

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Bitch Please MattP. Would you rather I have stayed on you instead of getting a lynch on someone the other was sure is scum?

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Please explain your confirmed town status, for I don't see it anywhere.

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I told Orc that I wanted to lynch you and would lynch Reck at first opportunity if he joined me. He said, He wanted Reck gone first and wouldn't go with my plan, so I find myself forced to go with his if I want a town win.

Now Be quiet scum, and let your buddy be lynched like a good boy.

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No. Because usually I don't get into lylo. And when I do, it's usually three person, I've replaced in for a potential scum, caught the actual scum, made a very good case that should win me the game and then the person who is the third person lynches me because he fell for the scum. Or in a game of Dethy off site, Scum won with me in lylo because once again, the other townie was dumb enough to believe the obv. Scum who had been caught out in so many lies that he shouldn't have won.

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TAM if you're town and Reck is scum you should feel bad for your switch to Reck and you have no right to say endgame that you were right and we were wrong that is all

How does this statement make sense? I'm missing something... Big with this statement.

I've made it quite clear, I only voted Reck because Orc is unwilling to see if you MattP are scum.

So, if Reck is scum and I'm town, I should feel bad about changing my vote to scum?

Please do explain how that works.

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What do you want me to say? I have nothing, ideally I'd have MattP lynched today, but I'll settle for Reck. What do you want me to say?

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VOTE: Orc

Wisdom, I'm sorry you're forced to choose.

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Trust me, if scum wins they pulled a rabbit out of their hat with pure luck.

Well, gg...

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Please note that my game plan going into the Reck lynch was originally lynch MattP and win the game.

There was no way I could see scum winning otherwise.

So yeah, basically Reck's insistance on bussing me lost me the game as far as I'm concerned.

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Quiet you.

but LOL that MattP guessed what my original plan was.

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I'm not even pissed that scum lost because we could have won if Reck had actually read the quick topic and responded to it... when I was telling him to join me in lynching MattP so that we could win.

I don't care who called it or not. I'm more upset that my scumbuddy didn't see the easy win we had. :@

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Bitch Please, that's because you know it's your fault we lost the game.

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I will admit, I didn't originally plan to Bus Reck, It was his refusal to lynch you and get us the win that led to my bus vote.