Micro 130: Noughts & Crosses Mafia

[Rondar]

VOTE: BBmolla

[Rondar]

VOTE: serra
Combobreaking.

[Rondar]

Safia is an Egyptian name that rhymes with mafia. It works.

[Rondar]

It's just as easy to beat (or execute) the corners-move as it is the sides-move.

My vote stands. Why you flip wagon Mr.Specter?!

[Rondar]

Ok ok, I googled. The corner play is apparently strategically optimal [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tic-tac-toe#Strategy http://ostermiller.org/tictactoeexpert.html]. I've always thought the side play is just as good. Lame.

Can we still not lynch me plz?

[Rondar]

@Miti

Thing is, I've had Bitmap as town from his earlier comments. Him suggesting the side-play was something I was about to do anyway, and saying it with a tone of anger was towny, somehow. It was implying 'That's lame, lets scumhunt'. That felt, well, towny. My other two corner-buddies have said little to null.

UNVOTE:

@Siv

Why didn't you vote anyone in a post asking to lynch scum?

VOTE: BBmollaVOTE: Self explanatory read-wise.
Once you think about it, the quickest way to win is to lynch scum (assuming there's two of them, 3/9 seems implausible in a no-PR game). So: Stop Lynching Me.

[Rondar]

VOTE: BBmolla Because life sucks and I don't preview.

[Rondar]

Oh looky that Venrob is scum.
VOTE: Venrob

[Rondar]

Happy Burfday.
Also,

@Bitmap

(for when you return), I don't quite understand what makes you scumread Mitillos. Care to elaborate?

[Rondar]

But wanting to seem as though you're coming up with a pro-town plan, when you know it won't work, is probably scum.

Exactly this.

@Siv

What do you mean 'So?'. So implies that you agree with what she said, but in a post just before it you basically said the opposite. Which is it?

@Ven

What was your intention with that? Did you really think scum would fall for it? Did you think town would ignore it? What was it?

@Sera

Why continue voting me if you have 'stronger' scumreads? I'm wondering what exactly you're thinking about me here.

[Rondar]

Dude, 'how is this relevant' still implies you aknowlage what she said is true, but you are arguing the opposite.

[Rondar]

EBWOP: acknowledge* because English sucks.

[Rondar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Siveure

[Rondar]

@Sera

You implied it by focssing your questioning/scrutiny towards others while maintaining your vote on me.

I didn't really 'jump' on the wagon since when I asked my initial question to Siv, I hadn't seen Blue's vote (until the Preview). So I was building up questioning to see if it was worthy of a vote before there was ever a 'wagon' (Actually I just noticed Venrob is voting Siv right now [checked when writing this sentence]).

@Mitillos

But that isn't what he's actually

saying

.

[Rondar]

No, I obviously get that whether you think Venrob's trick was scummy or not is up to interpretation (I personally think it's a scumtell, but I doubt a Siv-Ven team right now, so it's probably one or the other), but what I'm personally questioning is that 'So?' reaction and what it implies. I don't see how 'He's saying X thing is scummy. I'm saying where did X thing happen.' (#93) means 'I interpreted it differently'.

[Rondar]

I'm good with staying on Siv. Venrob is another good lynch choice, but this is good (has it's plus sides being a corner, etc etc).

[Rondar]

Sure, gut, I guess, but it primarily lies around his indecisive/'tip-toe-y' answers. Ending it with 'Oops I (referring to himself in the 3rd Person) am stupid' didn't help much either...
I'm curious how he'll react to L-1 tbh, since he's being pretty 'cold' right now.

[Rondar]

BB's sig is the one thing on this site I'm proud of

Other than that: Siv, you are the weakest link, goodbye.

[Rondar]

Eh, who was that for, Mit? No one asked for a claim really, just joked about BB's sig.

[Rondar]

No ones voting you, and no one's asked you questions. Wut?

[Rondar]

Serra, you scum?

[Rondar]

Nope, you?

Oh.

@Sapo

I think I have asked you before, but why does Mitillos deserve your vote?

[Rondar]

You know that if you shake your head in Bulgario, it means 'yes', instead of 'no'?

We aren't in Bulgaria.

[Rondar]

This game rocks.

[Rondar]

I really do want to keep my vote on Siv. I don't really understand why he's voting sapo at this critical a time, especially when he wasn't even on the wagon on him (Like, it doesn't seem natural for a townmember to just not FoS a single person on his wagon + maintain a vote on a no-show). I wasn't particularly moved by his 'defense' either. A couple of VI-like sentences really haven't won me over.

Sapo, Venrob, you need to post more. (

@Mod Have they been prodded?

)

[Rondar]

OK. COME ON. THAT MITILLOS VOTE. 'That means nothing'
COME ON.

What

is making you guys not vote Siv. Holy hell at least he's a corner, NEVER MIND that he's scum as hell right now.

[Rondar]

He literally voted someone who is absolutely not getting lynched in this time frame and he knows it. He's stalling. And zzz 'Want me to FoS you?'. COME ON.

[Rondar]

Oh lol. (Refer to Sig)

I still feel this vote's right though.

[Rondar]

Looks like it.

[Rondar]

Tbh, after realizing that rule, I've been struggling to decide whether I want to get BB instead.

[Rondar]

EBWOP: Since*
because English sucks.

[Rondar]

Eh, nah, I'm staying on. He's been scum to me way before that 'stalling' misunderstanding, and the corner-spot's a bonus.

[Rondar]

I have slight townreads on serra at the moment. Mitillos more so.. BB has been weird for me for a while, but I'm abstaining from voting for just a little while. Sapo is another weird one. A BB/sapo team has a good ring to it, but I'd like to see more posting from sapo before I decide. Bitmap could go either way. As Mit pointed out, he's basically guaranteeing his death. This could be ultra-towny, or a scumslip. I'll wait for the reply. CDB hasn't given any definitive reads so far, so if you haven't guessed it, looks like I'm playing the waiting game. (Venrob sure hasn't given us much to go off of.)

[Rondar]

It is what I meant, actually. Saying it like that makes it sound a tad... stupid. But think of it this way, scum would 'study' the board differently than a townmember would, and often not look for 'who is the best lynch for town?', and this detail could have slipped by. But yeah, I guess that would require him to be pretty dim. I'll still wait for his reaction to this.

[Rondar]

BB... what?

[Rondar]

Yes. Yes, it is.

If we lynch you today, Bitmap dies automatically tonight. That's what the last point in post 1 is saying.

[Rondar]

Even if it didn't happen automatically, I'm confused as to why you would assume scum wouldn't auto kill him/he wouldn't kill himself?

[Rondar]

As town too...

[Rondar]

Oh do explain! But I'm not gonna be here to hear it *mocking laugh*

@Mod V/LA until Wednesday

[Rondar]

This is basically a prod dodge post. I've skimmed the game, but I'll actually

read

and post later today.

[Rondar]

I'm more or less caught up and I think I've found something interesting:

Sera's 290 mentions that 'If both scum are among {BB, Bitmap, Deli, sapo} town wins by lynching BB.' This is true, it does however say something that I'm surprised no one has mentioned so far: There can only be 1 scum in those four, since each one of them is either supporting (or not heavily opposing, in Bit's case) a BB/Bit lynch. Mitillos and Sera aren't a team since they haven't ended it already, but there's one guaranteed scum in there.

Short and objective:
1 guaranteed scum in {Bitmap, sapo, BB, CDB}
1 guaranteed scum in {Rondar, Serra, Mitillos}
and by lynching BB...
1 guaranteed scumlynch in the next 2 days
and by extension that means...
LyLo between {Rondar, Serra, Mitillos} is guaranteed. (If Bit is the scum, CDB can technically have the last say tomorrow, instead of going to 3-way no clears)

This is why it is incredibly important to say who you scumread in {Rondar, Serra, Mitillos}, to all 4 of you. So far Serra has only asked the question before with an 'if it comes down to lylo...', but unless scum

severely

fucked up (which I honestly doubt with the amount of board analysis done so far, and the lack of real effort by any of those 4; or anyone for that matter, lol), that 3-way is guaranteed. (Which is pretty stupid since just last post I was sure Serra and Mit were both town, lol).

Currently leaning Serra from the two, but I really don't know (The leaning on serra is mainly a not-so-convincing gut-feeling). It's pretty near perfect scumplay whichever one of them it is. (That LyLo is gonna suck =|)

Yo but if scum really did fuck up and are lazy bums, then gg (

Lordy please

).

[Rondar]

Eh, I guess it's possible. I highly doubt it though. Their passive aggressive bussing of each other doesn't exactly scream 'team', especially in the position they'd be in.

And well, not really surprised by your FoS, CDB, since the alternatives are serra and Mit (I'm having a hard time deciding myself). I've been fairly inactive and my D1 is shameful in retrospect. Gah.

I'm not going to vote. The lynch is going through anyway, and I don't see a better lynch. Better just to milk this day out, as was said before.

P-Edit:

@Sera

Idk. Neither are really

trying

to get the other lynched. Thing is, I thuroughly doubt Bit would trust sapo in carrying him to a win, especially when her 'opponents' would be Mit/Me/CDB/Sara, who are all townier than she is. (This shouldn't be misconstrued as personal [unlike CDB's remark towards me earlier, hmpf, that was personal D=])

[Rondar]

Eh. Kinda expected Birmap to flip scum there... Not going to bother with rereading today just in case CDB's being an... Ehm. This is probably right though.

CDB doesn't really seem to want more time though, so I'm just going to go ahead and...
VOTE: Sapovirus

[Rondar]

Uhhhh.
VOTE: Mitillos

I was actually leaning serra. Derp.
Erm. I'll say I'm surprised.

[Rondar]

Pretty sure I said why right then.
'CDB doesn't really seem to want more time though, so I'm just going to go ahead and...'
You could partially attribute it to over-eagerness I guess, but I just didn't see any use in prolonging the day, and since two people had already voted (one of them being conf-town), I assumed no one else wanted to/saw use in doing so either.

[Rondar]

I took a reread of Mit-sapo's ISO just now. Sapo does pretty much what he says she does, but place the emphasis on 'disappeared for a long time when I voted her'. Her partner votes her, she just goes AWOL. I'll also note that she 'drops in just to question the wagon' with Sivieure and then the BB one (without much reasoning, calling BB 100% town).

[Rondar]

But hell, it's all confirmation bias I guess, so it means pretty little for you (meant as little for me two days ago).

[Rondar]

To further my defense (and sorry for the quad post), take a look at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=25538
This is the only scumgame I can give you currently, and you can see my play is pretty different, even if I do say so myself. I realize self-meta only ever goes so far, but there it is.

[Rondar]

Welp. Sorry.
GG though.
Should I post the quick-topic, Emp?

[Rondar]

And erm, about the self meta thing, I'd use that as town as well =P (And have on Epic Mafia, if that means anything. Lol.)

[Rondar]

Oh the suspense.

[Rondar]

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/NQ8a5cMcByF
We weren't exactly a confident pair. Lol.