Micro 148: 50/50 Mafia (OVER)

[Hyperion]

HI
VOTE: alexcellent

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So should we use FOS then to kinda come to a decision on who the second lynch target would be. Or use something like

vote2: blah blah

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^good point.
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Don't tell me you thought my coloured option for the second vote was the good point O.o

Also, I saw that I have a fellow Dutchie~

I meant the "accidently screwing up vote2" thing

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that way we can make sure that the mafia cant outvote us with the anon vote

Wow what a softclaim...

FoS: Kid A

If we do that, we make sure the mafia aren't able to use their own agenda for the anonymous vote

??? 23 < 34, so why give a notice to only Kid A? Am I not important enough?

RED FLAG

Also,

Vote: Alexcellent

Care to join the discussion, even if, as it stands, there isn't much?

RED FLAG

And Happy Scumday D3f3nd3r!

I have seen scum say "well why aren't you scrutinizing me?" as an attempt to gain town cred. In fact I think I have done it before myself...
Also, prod votes on page 2 are a no-no. Its a way to act like your busy.
KX, have you ever been scum before? and can I get some links to scum games if you have?

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Why, when referring to your own alignment, do you say "my faction" if you're town?

Why do you think implying oneself is town, when it's in a natural context and not outright saying "ok guys, I'm Town" is scummy/questionable?

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These questions contradict each other, you question TNE on saying "my faction" (clearly meaning town, he is not gonna be like: "my faction (because I'm totally scum...)) but then defend Kid A for saying "us" again clearly meaning town.

Apparently I still haven't one a game as town.

Though the pokemon mafia we ALMOST won.
If only they listened to me who to lynch.

(self meta-ing tiiiiiime)

Most of my town games I'm right who the scum were.
I'm just NOT that good on giving a case

KX: I'm not a fan of meta unless significant.

I liked the pokemon game, I had a good role (but then got NK'd N! by a guy Who I roleblocked and my bulletproof didn't work [/rage]

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also newearth you keep tossing around WIFOM
"WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny."
I didn't post it with full knowledge that my behaviour would be subject to scrutiny because posting as if I were town is what I would do regardless of my role

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How do we know you didnt think you would be scrutinized when you posted that. We can't read minds (or at least I don't think so). Besides, this is mafia, you should no that everything you say will probably be scrutinized by at least one person.

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VOTE: KX
Hamlet, what are your thoughts on the KX/TNE/KidA exchange?

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ALright I think I see where you are coming form, I'm going to go to class and mull it over

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Kid A, I'm confused by this.

if you are going to get pissed when people attack your FOS don't do an FOS

I can't think of a situation where I wouldn't want to claim to be town

-If I'm vanilla town I would just be telling the truth
-If I'm a power role I would be making sure the scum don't know I have a power role and just act as though I were vanilla town
-If I'm scum I would want to act like I'm a villager so that people don't vote for me

You were claiming to not be mafia, you weren't claiming vanilla townie. Where does this talk about power roles come from?

I think I smell rolefishing

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b/c its a safe vote w/o pressure

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also, does that mean you have never been scum before? even offsite?

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yes

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^awkward top of page quote, in response to 99

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yes but he is saying that you did not specifically claim VANILLA townie at first, just that you were town. So he wants to know why you are now saying you are vanilla, and why you even bothered to bring up roles when you were talking about alignments.
That being said, I don't really see anything to gain in following this line of questioning about mentioning the powerroles and suggest it should be put aside for now. We can keep talking about the possible scumclaim though, I just think that continuing mentioning the "if I was a power role" thing could accidently out a PR.

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Seriously? You have to wait for your head to give us some input?

We're a hydra of Belisarius and Fuzzybutternut, the heads refer to which player is speaking at any given time.

It's the first time as a hydra for both of us so we haven't quite got the hang of it yet.

I think he means why can't you say what you are thinking, instead of confering with your other head first. regardless of which head is looking at the thread right now, Belisarius or Fuzzy, what do you think about the game so far?

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104 is in reply to 102. I'm too lazy to quote most of the time.

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@Hamlet
See post #105. There shouldn't be a reason to discuss first with your other head before posting your opinion.

It's not a matter of discussing it; I can't answer KX's question about why Kid A isn't looking so hot because I do not know the answer. My other head does.

I'm really not satisfied with TNE's answer as to why Kid A got singled out and not KX when KX was the first to mention killing the scum's ability to capitalise on the anon vote, but the speed at which his wagon is building gives me pause. I'm going to have to think over the TNE case before deciding on whether or not to cast a non-RVS vote.

I'm leaning town on KX at the moment for trying to capitalise on the game mechanics and for calling out TNE on the illogic behind FoSsing Kid A when KX did the same thing first; methinks scum would be more apt to be happy to dodge suspicion. It's a microtell, but I'll take it.

From now on can you guys sign your posts so we know if Belisarius or fuzzy is posting?
As for your second point, I don't see any scum motivation in attacking Kid A instead of KX, so TNE is still nullish.
Third point can get into WIFOM, because you would think scum would want to dodge the attention, but if scum thinks that then they could point it out to gain town cred. I think i already mentioned this earlier.

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Can someone who doesn't like TNE omitting KX and attacking Kid A for the same thing please tell me what the motivation would be for that if TNE was scum, b/c I am definately not seeing it.

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Hi sorry, I haven't been in today. I promise I will catch up tomorrow because right now my bed is calling my name.

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so there is nothing going on really <_< Hamlet, please sign your posts, more votes on KX pleaseandthankyou

[Hyperion]

so I will look at this later, but basically I am still content with my vote. will wait until mothrax catches up.

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I am voting MOthrax, still voting KX, I want his head on a platter today

Fixed? -D3f

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Oh crap I didnt realise lynch was that close. I would prefer KE, but would compromise on either Zachattack, maybe an inactive like City. Will figure that out tomorrow since I have a 2 hour gap between classes to reread.

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erm. I could compromise on Zach, but I would prefer KX today. Also, are we going to talk about who we want as the other lynch candidate?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: zach
before anyone else votes should we come to a consensus on who the second vote is for, or are we going for CityElectric?

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Hyperion: who would you like to see as the second choice?

If I had my choice, then KX.
But you don't want a KX lynch so I guess CE for inactivity. (or even better CE could just replace out...)

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So ZAch for lynch one, KX for lynch 2
VOTE: zach

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yes we do, its you. hammer please

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SERIOUSLY ANYONE WHO COMES IN AND DOESNT HAMMER I WILL GO AFTER TOMORROW.

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40 minutes

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I ddin't know this game was back on <_<
I voted KX, didn't believe the claim.
gotta catch up now.