Micro 179 - Mainstream Mini Mafia III [CULT WIN AGAIN]

[TheIrishPope]

/confirm
Hey, I can count!

[TheIrishPope]

Alright, I think possible Governors are Candillan and myself.
Discuss.

[TheIrishPope]

Two day scummer, y u no get avi?
Anyway, Candillan has oldest join date and I am awesome. Those are my reasons.

[TheIrishPope]

Alright, Who.
Are you the cult leader?

[TheIrishPope]

No.
Then maybe you should be Governor.

[TheIrishPope]

Whatever.
VOTE: Who
If you are the cult leader I will haunt you.

[TheIrishPope]

Oh cool, someone wants me as Governor. Why, if I may ask?
VOTE: TheIrishPope

[TheIrishPope]

Wait what
Where is this coming from?

[TheIrishPope]

If you could explain more, that would be helpful.

[TheIrishPope]

Hmm, you make a compelling case, Doctor Holliday. However, we do not know what this ability does. So, I don't know what you're so paranoid about.

[TheIrishPope]

How do you know this?

[TheIrishPope]

Well, someone researched. I have reason to believe you are overzealous.

[TheIrishPope]

This is quite interesting, Candillan. So are you saying you want to be Governor?

[TheIrishPope]

So are you saying you

aren't

town?

[TheIrishPope]

How would you react if I said I was town?
How would you react if I said I was scum?
How would you react if I said Doc is scum?

[TheIrishPope]

I can never really tell with Who. It's WIFOM this, WIFOM that, I'm leading to believe his "meh" attitude is hiding something. Instinct, so I'm not 100% sure.
I should be Governor.
I really don't see why it's bad that cult leader has this ability, because everyone would tell him to stop the lynch. If he doesn't, then you know he is scum/cult leader.

[TheIrishPope]

Who seems uninterested in my eyes, only talking about Governor ability and not really looking into the people and their intentions.
Doc startled me with the "TIP is useless" thing, but he's null to me.
ArcAngel voting without explanation or anything gives me a weak scum read.
Candillan is null.

[TheIrishPope]

It's easier to say the lurker is scum at this stage.
With only 1 page of serious discussion I can't tell who is scum or town.
I am interested in your reads as well.

[TheIrishPope]

You never explained why.
That is scummy.

[TheIrishPope]

Doc, who gave you the right to be leader? Setting yourself above suspicion is suspicious, bro. Get a hold of yourself.
I was never Pope; in fact, no one was ever Pope until they were chosen. And every Pope has been good at his job. So don't make silly excuses.

Okay so reasons why you're scummy.
1. You instantly recommended me to be the Governor, even though I hadn't posted anything. That seems like you're trying to get on my good side somewhat by pseudo-buddying me. That is scummy.
2. You elected yourself for Governor, but you put me as another potential candidate in order to make yourself seem okay with not getting the power. It honestly seems as if you're wholly interested in grabbing the power yourself, which is why you instantly voted yourself right afterward.
3. Your reads seem as if you don't want to tread on any toes. I don't personally count your reads as reads per se, because all it is is you calling all of us null, then voting the 'lurker'. ArcAngel hasn't necessarily been lurking. This game's been open for two days, and she confirmed yesterday. I wouldn't call that lurking.
4. In post #43, all you did was say that Who is null, say you should be Governor (but not //why// you should be Gov), then defend the idea of the Cult Leader getting Gov. Why would you say that if you were town? You don't want to give the Cult Leader the advantage in any way, shape, or form. In that respect, I feel as if you're trying to have us warm up to the idea of the CL getting the Gov. That I interpret as you saying "I'm Cult Leader and I want the power. It's not like it's gonna do much harm!"

Who I'm somewhat worrisome of for the same reason as #4. The conversation around post 31 gave me bad feelings, but he was saying it in more of an objective fashion than you. He also makes me feel ehh about him because he, too, seemed relatively eager for the power.

Doc reads town for me because instead of saying that he should be Gov, he started talking about who //shouldn't// be Gov. That gave me great vibes, and he's been calling people out on being scummy.

ArcAngel has had one post. Therefore, null.

Pedit:
Yeah, I'm pretty confident in Doc being town.

1. Ever hear of RVS?
2. What is this I don't even
Everyone who wants the power to himself is scum. Logical. I had to propose other candidates because I want this Town to win, not to perish away.
3. We can't have any real reads at this stage...
4. Why should you be Governor? Why should Doc be governor? Of course I don't want the CL to be Governor; that would be counterintuitive on my part. I'm saying that it is possible for us to find him easily if he does by accident or any ruse he plays on us.

And to you, everyone who wants to be Governor is scummy...
Didn't you think that whoever wants to be Governor is Town and wants to look out for his fellow villagers?
Get a load of this guy.

[TheIrishPope]

1. Then let's call it by another name. Random Candidate Possibilities Mentioning Stage, if you will.
2. Of course I had to. If not, everyone would be on my ass for it. In any case, you are seeing the bad side of it all. This is bad, the opposite is bad; what is good for you? You can't cruise around the game saying everything is wrong.
3. I don't have reads now. Is that scummy?
4. I thought it would be interesting in any way. Sorry geez.

Is it possible that you are that PR?
I don't think we'll mislynch because we can have a good grasp of who scum or CL are. In a 5p game, especially, it's easier to look into everyone and make the best decision. I really

hope

we won't mislynch, anyway.

Doc saying he doesn't want to be Governor should be fishy to you as well, then. He wants to keep the heat off of him.
I don't take your posts as a joke. You certainly seem to be joking around, but I'm being as objective as possible.

[TheIrishPope]

1. RVS: silly reasons to choose someone. RCPMS: silly reasons to choose someone. Oh god what a horrible name
2. I saw it as necessary, and still do not see the scum motivation behind it.
I think 2 and 3 are merged by now.
3. If Town has this ability, it is beneficial to the Town. If I did in fact get it, I would have investigated fo sho.

I am scumhunting. I shall continue that.
That's what I just said

Attacking people out of the blue isn't scummy?
I think you might be doing them as a joke, but I take them seriously in an attempt to, you know, win this game.

Doc might be scum. Doc might not be scum.
You are Town.


Who: Wouldn't the majority who voted for a person with good reason know the Governor wasted his ability? Maybe catching on that he's defending Cultists?

Candillan: If this issue boils down to me wanting the Governor ability, I don't see where your logic lies. I want to be Governor to help Town. I am not desperate. I am making my case.

Doc: Fine, whatever.
VOTE: Candillan
It seems Candillan will be better off with it anyway.

[TheIrishPope]

We do have eleven days, so no worries. We can wait for Arc.

[TheIrishPope]

I don't see you as scum yet.
What do you mean by easy to verify?

[TheIrishPope]

Why do you feel the need to softclaim now?

[TheIrishPope]

He was the one who softclaimed...

[TheIrishPope]

That's a bit harsh
But I guess I kinda understand it

[TheIrishPope]

I do agree that Angel is pretty much crucial at this point. However, you know, real life.

[TheIrishPope]

Bump for Angel
She has been posting elsewhere
(Does that rhyme?)

[TheIrishPope]

Alright crazy idea incoming: Angel is lurking, right? To punish Angel, Who or Candillan hammers and she misses out on a lot of participation, right?
Or is that bad?
I truly have no idea.

[TheIrishPope]

Alright, we'll wait out the ten days we have left.
But seriously, ignoring this game is harsh.

[TheIrishPope]

Loving this discussion. I do prefer Candillan above all choices, and do not see why Angel would prefer me over everyone else.
Also, we have 9 days, so we can chill for a bit. I don't think that you guys will mislynch D1.
Who, you seem awfully... distracted.

[TheIrishPope]

Oh right, about this mass claim: I don't get why it would be good, since this is closed setup. Everyone could just pull names out of a hat or from the Great Idea Mafia page.

[TheIrishPope]

Please respond to what I just said.

[TheIrishPope]

If you would :3

[TheIrishPope]

Or you could just leave, lurking, avoiding questions. That's cool too.

[TheIrishPope]

In either case, we'd lynch you if you're lying, right?

[TheIrishPope]

Sounds good to me.
I have a major beef with Angel.

[TheIrishPope]

Oh right, about this mass claim: I don't get why it would be good, since this is closed setup. Everyone could just pull names out of a hat or from the Great Idea Mafia page.

Let me do this one more time... I ll do the way that i tutor my math students...

Although this is a closed game but the setup is not NORMAL, it is CULT and this is just a 5P game.
Which means.... 1 Cult Leader VS 4 Town aligned players (In my opinon, this is just a horrible setup to play. Total Butt hurt)
Town can only win this game if they successfully nail down Cult Leader on Day 1 , the possibility of nailing down the Cult Leader on Day 1 is again 20% only which means Cult Leader has 80% advantage to push for a mislynch.

That is very one sided setup process which is why chk must have added the Governor thingy to the game... But not sure how beneficial this is going to be becuz, there is always a 20% possibility that we might end up handing over the governor ability to Cult Leader itself.

What happens if Cult Leader gets the Governer power?
Nothing. He/She can't use it on them unless if there was no lynch on Day1, and it can be used to save his/her follower

but how beneficial this Governer power?
Again, it doesn't really make much difference to town unless Cult Leader jumps for a quick vote. Remember that this only stop a lynch. I really doubt Cult Leader would be stupid enough to jump out himselves and behave in that way.

so what can we do now?
Cult Hunt? and Nail cult?
No, We are not going to assume and nail down someone becuz they behaved cultish way, becuz 1 mislynch + night recruit equals Game lost.

What helps in this situation?
knowing who is nearly confirmed town, especially players like "Who" who soft claimed that his role may be verifiable. This way we would know that he is confirmed town and thus chances of nailing down the Cult on Day 1 increases...

What more can we do?
Mass claim, Mass claim out all given town roles.. town claims what they received in their role PM's, Cult fakes... We look the setup balance and nails down cult leader.

What if we can't nail down cult leader even after the mass claim?
Fine, Then we will have to evaluate our night actions carefullly to see if we can somehow stop cult leader being recruited someone. there is a good possiblity of very powerful PR's in this game otherwise this whole setup is nothing but CULT sided.

Now talk more please...

ISO 17, ok? Angel just repeated herself and did not react, answer, or respond to my accusation of this massclaim being worthless.
And she just said the setup is not normal... How can she assure there is 1 CL against 4 townies?

[TheIrishPope]

Fine, that point is forgiven, But she still disregarded my statement.

[TheIrishPope]

How convenient that you changed your mind about mass-claiming when someone urged you to claim now.
For the non-sarcastic eye: You changed your opinion because someone wants something for you.
I believe the proper phrase is "Die scum die"

[TheIrishPope]

How convenient that you changed your mind about mass-claiming when someone urged you to claim now.
For the non-sarcastic eye: You changed your opinion because someone wants something for you.
I believe the proper phrase is "Die scum die"

That's odd, I don't recall Who ever being against claiming their role.

What I meant was, he didn't actively advocate against it. Now he wants to do it. It seems odd.

[TheIrishPope]

Oh, that's funny, because CHKFLIP ISN'T EVEN ONLINE
DIE DIE DIE

[TheIrishPope]

I know, it was intended to be a joke anyway
Candillan, would you self hammer right now, given the discussion which is taking place?

[TheIrishPope]

What? Oh no no, massclaim is a horrible idea. I already explained why. Candillan, why do you want massclaim?

[TheIrishPope]

I'd go first, second, third, fourth, or fifth.

[TheIrishPope]

It's the spirit with which I want to do it; that's what I wanted to express

[TheIrishPope]

Why don't we first elect Governor and we can all claim D1?

[TheIrishPope]

I knew this game was not Mainstream when I received my role PM: I am a Bus Driver.
I had no idea what this meant and a quick Google search enlightened me. I can switch two players at night! I don't see how this could be useful, though.
Popcorn to chkflip

So... What now?

[TheIrishPope]

Candillan's role claim raises suspicion on him?
Is your town read on him weaker now?

[TheIrishPope]

It is? Dunno, never played as Bus Driver. What can its purpose be in Cult?
Hammer because D1 will be better than this pre-discussion, so to speak.

[TheIrishPope]

You're twisting everything that i have been saying like you know what my role is...
You're must be the cult leader... And You haven't even claimed ..Wait becuase you can't, you're cult leader. aren't you?

What are you smoking?
By the first sentence you are

implying

explicitly stating that the role you provided us is NOT your role.
The second sentence is outright ignorance because he did claim in the exact post you just quoted. Can't you read?

[TheIrishPope]

Oh, now I understand.
Doc, please don't Glad so suddenly. We all need to talk.

PEdit: Angel WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
You are literally saying that isn't your role!

[TheIrishPope]

Irish,
are you on high? how would you know what is my role. I know what is my role becuz that's what mod sent it to me.

If you were the role you claimed, you wouldn't have said this because we're supposed to believe you. You are confirming your claim is fake.

[TheIrishPope]

No need to scream at me.
I think you are fake claiming, that's all.
I don't base myself on Doc. He might be the CL for all I know.
The mass claim has not really helped us so far.
I did not know I was hurting the game by trying to win. I apologize.

[TheIrishPope]

Hi Candillan.
Aren't we all lost?
Let's just wait till D1 and lynch Angel.

[TheIrishPope]

I am Town Anti-Cult Inventor.
Each night i can invent an ability to town player, mostly a power to protect themselves.

[TheIrishPope]

VOTE: Angel

[TheIrishPope]

Also, we have 9 days, so we can chill for a bit. I don't think that you guys will mislynch D1.

Candillan, how can you say I am hurrying people if I made this post?

[TheIrishPope]

For the reasons I have stated. ISO me.

[TheIrishPope]

>_>
UNVOTE: Angel

[TheIrishPope]

Angel, everyone claimed...

[TheIrishPope]

I'm not really convinced on an Angel lynch. Who, maybe, unless he confirms his role soon.

[TheIrishPope]

the cult leader would recruit me/doc, and then either doc would challenge some random townie or the cult leader and I would execute some random townie, and the cult leader would win.

Why why why are you giving the CL ideas?

[TheIrishPope]

Posting is not illegal, guys.

[TheIrishPope]

I still want to lynch her, but I want to hear from her.
If by some heavenly miracle I decide not to lynch Angel, I would go for Candillan because his role is pretty useless.

[TheIrishPope]

Check my wording. I'm going for Angel.
I'm waiting for Who's confirmation though.

[TheIrishPope]

Uhm... I'm not totally convinced on Angel dying, but it is our best option...
No objection I guess.

[TheIrishPope]

Guys, y u no post.
I know chkflip has been absent for at least 24 hours but
Who and Angel post please

[TheIrishPope]

Well, execute Angel now, no?
Or are we waiting for Candillan?

[TheIrishPope]

Shrug.
Personally, I'm not liking how Doc had a catch to his power that he conveniently discovered as soon as he was to be verified.

This is why I unvoted. It looked

too

convenient.

[TheIrishPope]

I am very upset (read: pissed) with Angel not reading over the thread...

[TheIrishPope]

That's why it's "Mainstream"
I don't even know what to do. Candillan takes the conservative approach to wait it out and seems pretty sure of himself, but Doc is aggressively saying we should lynch Angel and he seems pretty sure of himself as well.
I have no fucking clue

[TheIrishPope]

I am a bit hesitant on AA9's death myself. We have time still, so no worries.

Pope: Doc defends him well.

Wat

[TheIrishPope]

So I guess we're all waiting on chk

[TheIrishPope]

Candillan, I meant waiting for chk to answer Angel's questions
What is this discussion of two CLs?

[TheIrishPope]

Mmmmkay
Who, are you still thinking or reconsidering or waiting or something?
What are your thoughts right now?

[TheIrishPope]

It's up to Candillan, really. He is the Governor after all.
I'm still not totally convinced, but it is our best bet.

[TheIrishPope]

I take offense in that.
VOTE: Angel
Who, let's do this once and for all.

[TheIrishPope]

Candillan and I are in the same position.
The amount of accusations is too damn high

[TheIrishPope]

Candillan, what role will you be fishing for?
Doc, who will you Gladiate, so to speak?
Who, that was a one time execution right? Sorry if you said it before, I'm too lazy to check

[TheIrishPope]

Wait, if we executed, don't we go to N1? That's what I presumed logically anyway.

[TheIrishPope]

Oh, I thought you were compulsive
Candillan, if you did get this fishing role thing, who would you vig and why?

[TheIrishPope]

I got you guys GOOD
Great game guys, I had a ton of fun, we should do this again sometime!

[TheIrishPope]

That kind of came off naturally, but when you "confirmed" me as Town I just went along with it

I understand Angel's frustration, but it's part of the game, Angel. Don't take it too seriously, because it's a game

[TheIrishPope]

Candillan would have stopped his own lynch I'm guessing

[TheIrishPope]

You guys played an awesome game, I just tried to lay back as much as possible

[TheIrishPope]

Your crappy role
I can't believe Bus Driver was believable

Candillan why didn't you stop the execution?

[TheIrishPope]

And if you lynched me?

[TheIrishPope]

Angel pretty much won the game for me then

[TheIrishPope]

Ok Angel, no need for names

[TheIrishPope]

Hey
Hey
You guys rock