Micro 184: Communism, ho! (END)

[gorckat]

Fucking hydras, man.

[gorckat]

Screw rvs. Who is opposed to lynching all liars?

[gorckat]

Page 1 Miller claim in Micro I ran was scum that rode it unchallenged to the end.

vote: bbmolla

Why not ask about lal? In light of md thread re fake claims lets skip any debate and set the bar.

[gorckat]

I don't agree with LaL, I don't agree with policy lynches period especially in small games like these. I want to leave Molla alone, especially because he is a strong player and if he starts playing scummily we can lynch him

How often do good town lie? Especially in a game this small?

and I don't like wagons being built on seemingly no reason, there's no need to take someone to l-2 this early on in the game.

In a small game, L-2 happens as soon as you look at someone.

unvote
vote: Amethyst Snowflake

[gorckat]

I think there's a thread of something between Zaicon's 26 and 48. Something about asking what to do with the miller claim and then noting that I had already noted it has been done as a scum gambit.

Gut twinge. Would vote him if not for the more dissonant moment in Amethyst's 41 where he doesn't like me for voting the miller (BB), but isn't sure if town of scum would make that vote.

Amethyst's 30 also has that line about not wanting to lynch BB because he's strong and we can always lynch him if he gets scummy...another gut twinge.

[gorckat]

I want to leave Molla alone, especially because he is a strong player and if he starts playing scummily we can lynch him

translation: "molla still is up in the air but hes also a good player so that gives everyone more incentive to keep him around in case he catches any scum however if he does act scummy a lynch on him will be great"

Bolla's miller claim is sort of a wash with me, it isn't in itself a reason to lynch, but I'll have no qualms lynching him if he acts scummy.

translation: "molla is questionable but hes also not however if everyone else wants to go ahead and lynch him i'll be fine with that and maybe i'll join the wagon too"

you're right tone does make a difference :/
VOTE: occult

I read that in the opposite fashion- that Occult doesn't care who BB is or what he has done, but Amethyst is using past history to justify keeping him alive. It seems like a stretch justification to keep a partner out of the light, or a dash of buddying.

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Sorry for the double- was using multiple tabs for formatting.

I find it more so interesting that he seemingly isn't interested in pursuing the person that he thinks is scum...

Do you mean Zaicon? Re-read 54 where I call your moments 'more dissonant'.

[gorckat]

I see I've been flaky for 3 days...

The hydra hasn't done much to make me want to keep them around.

[gorckat]

and I did question him on why he wasn't pushing Molla when he thought he was scum, presumably for his claim. admittedly not as much as I'm questioning you but because you are far more present than he is.

Is this in reference to me?

You (the hydra as a whole) has this weird way of phrasing or responding to quotes that makes it hard (for me, at least) to see where queries and pokes are directed. I had asked a similar bit about what I think was directed to me re Zaicon.

If you're asking why I haven't stayed on BB, it's partly because his reaction was very casual (I may have unvoted before he said his bit about getting lynched, but the ultimate result is the same). I personally have found it harder as scum to fake that reaction.

Also, if the site meta has been for miller's to claim immediately and the only instance of a gambit has been the one game I modded, then I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the water.

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RedCoyote, bottom of page 1. In the scum QT (linked in post game), he says he's going to do it because no one ever questions it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23439

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Also, if the site meta has been for miller's to claim immediately and the only instance of a gambit has been the one game I modded, then I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the water.

This is an interesting statement to put out there considering you seemed confident in your one example when you first placed the vote.

I guess.

My first reaction was to go right at a claim I'd only seen once and hammer it hard. Everyone else pulled back. If BB is scum, then the Day 1 miller gambit will probably get a lot more scrutiny going forward.

[gorckat]

Here
Look at that other one for a scum one, my game where a scum miller existed got baleeted

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zaicon
^Best vote.

Not uninclined to join you.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4442675

Another post by someone seeing scum making Miller claims. I posit that no one really knows what the numbers on miller claims as scum/town are, just that town millers started claiming and occasionally scum go along for one, too.

I have a feeling Zaicon might just get replaced. I don't get nearly the scum vibe from his two posts that BB is apparently getting.

Om, you should get on the Pim wagon.

I like Alds for scum going for town cred by calling Zai town should the lynch go up, esp since I had a scum vibe on them, too.

unvote
vote: Alduskkel

[gorckat]

Eh...gladiator sucks.

Sticking with my gut.

vote: Amethyst

[gorckat]

Hi Thor!

Still bitter (sane daycop).

[gorckat]

And to be clear- that is not a claim- its a ref to a game where he led the lynch on me when i was a sane daycop.

[gorckat]

Yeah...you need to full claim if your power may result in your lynch after you used it.

I don't understand why you wouldn't.

Gut: Something hinky in Dr Pepper's last post.

PE: Damn, must've let that sit for minute before getting double ninja'd.

[gorckat]

You dont use it at L-1 you die, but your choice of PimHel (Thor) was strange, pretty much OMGUS.

Yeah- the 'proper' usage probably would have been get "lynched" and gladiate at that point (because it takes one more vote when not in LYLO).

[gorckat]

Zaicon didnt talk about Occult in that posts,yet votes for him without any analysis whatsoever. That sure makes sense.

I have never seen a scum gladiator before, but AS's challenge to PimHel SCREAMS OMGUS.

Is your ability one shot AS?

VOTE: PimHel's replacement

L-1

Why vote for the person being OMGUS'd? Why vote before getting your question answered?

[gorckat]

Because Im really having doubts as to whether scum gladiators exist.

I'm probably picking too deep here, but consider the following phrasing differences:


Is town or scum more likely to OMGUS?

[gorckat]

Whoops- left that line about phrasing there. Was gonna pick over 'but' vs 'and'.

[gorckat]

Don't like Pepper. Haven't really scanned Om.

[gorckat]

Liked his 55, 59/62 sort of read self-contradictory.

99 reads bad and his jump in 175 waffles a little.

175 he says he is tired of 'this fake PR', likes Ald-AS as a pair, but notes Zaicon had the higher vote count, which would make Zaicon a more obvious protect than Ald.

Negative leanings.

[gorckat]

Gorckat, why avoid the thread? Waiting for the reveal or what? I will take your response to everything above. Thanks.

I skimmed the walls over the last two days.

Meh.

Gladiator is a shitty role for shutting down conversation.

If Amethyst is town, fuck both heads for giving up, or the one that actually did if the other disagreed.

[gorckat]

wtf?

Did someone protect the damn miller? The one time I finally get to be a vig and the miller sees Day 2.

[gorckat]

and I now happen to know that there are no millers in this game.

How?

[gorckat]

The ability does not say miller in it at all. The only reason I stuck with that is because that is what my previous player called the ability which does make some sense.

Riiiiiight.

By the way...you selling that bridge?

[gorckat]

Hold on to your potatoes!

I am Short Round and will do anything to help Indy. So I shoot at people.

Quite bland.

[gorckat]

I could see Thor's flavor fitting as a BP SK.

Quick Google says, "Calne Ca basically is just a sort of casing in the shape of Miku for Calcium[1], a Deino's original character, who is sort of a cyborg girl[2], (well at least in appearance, because, in essence, she is a mechanized skeleton; according to Deino, however, it is up to the viewer to decide how they want to see her, either as a mechanized skeleton, or Miku deformed)."

That's just weird.

[gorckat]

Sajin...you expect us to believe a good player claimed miller even tjough he wasnt and wad really town?

[gorckat]

I had one bullet and I used it the best way I thought- to wipe the miller claim.

I won't be flipping anyone tonight and chose to not mention the 1-shot in either of my posts about vigging.

Lynch the miller because of his day 1 ISO really clings to the idea of being a miller and now he's all 'naw...I ain't really a miller...results just flip on me'. (i.e. Miller).

Zaicon asked what to do with a claimed miller in his first post...well...we do what he claims to have done. Either he's BSing now or we got scum in Sajin.

[gorckat]

I'm fine with the plan, but I think Zaicon and Sajin, both of them are town. And I don't have any idea for kind of this plan. But looking to the further I don't see lack in this plan, and scum will confirmed in the future. So, I agree with the plan.

=

Offtopic : How Zaicon have the backup? I wonder how.

So if they're town, who is scum?

[gorckat]

That was smooth, Alds.

Don't let the new guy with one post actually call someone scummy.

[gorckat]

Huh. Odd reaction, that was.

I misread the vote tally and thought you dropped the hammer.

Why jump in my shit and not just say 'it was L-1'?

[gorckat]

if it's so damn important to you.

It's not like I hammered.

Reads a bit curt and shit jumpy. w/e.

[gorckat]

vote: Sajin

[gorckat]

I will always lynch a miller day 1. The only readon i backed off here was i had a bullet.

[gorckat]

IMHO, fresh eyes agreeing to replace in often have been reading along and saw the spot open or get a quick read before they get their role.

As town, this is good because you are totally unbiased- no contrived cases to make when you realize you're scum and the guy you want to nail is the scum GF or something (been there, done that ).