Micro 181: Everyone's being watched (Game Over)

[RachMarie]

/confirm


VOTE: Miss D

cause wow HD and Mara in the same slot woot

[RachMarie]

BTW if you hit reply instead of typing in the quick reply box, you will see at top a bunch of buttons including the vote button that is how I do it. That way I dont have to remember tons of BBC code stuffs

[RachMarie]

pfft why would I bez scaredz?

[RachMarie]

Zionite why are you voting someone who IIRC is on V/LA for Memorial Day Weekend?

[RachMarie]

ehhh yeah cant see scumz putting that kind of effort into making a point like Horus just did... he can go in my town pile for now.

If anyone hammers right now without doing INTENT and giving you time to respond claim and so on, Zionite, then we would definitely be looking at him or her hardcore on D 2.

claiming at l-2 that seems different. Here it is at l-1 with intent to hammer on you.

[RachMarie]

What?

DBK is prob town even though his moving me around was kinda fishy... Believe me had someone hammered Zionite I would have pushed hard on D2 (if I was still around that is). One thing I am not fond of is quickhammers, especially early in the game like this. But overall feel DBK is probtown.

[RachMarie]

Ever hear of bussing?

[RachMarie]

hmmm that is probably a good point.... I had not thought of that...


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Again Wisdom

Dude we do this in every game we are in, you get me lynched and I flip TOWN. I call Confirmation Bias.

[RachMarie]

Still working on those....

You I tend to find hard to read, but you have also been Town in those games so ehh you can go in the leaning Town pile

DBK is also prob town.

that is all I have atm

more later

[RachMarie]

Hmm I know it was a Rvs vote but not liking the lack of posting by Mara and HD. I know they are on site since I have chatted with both of them in the chat.

Posting on my kindle fire.

[RachMarie]

Hmm I know it was a Rvs vote but not liking the lack of posting by Mara and HD. I know they are on site since I have chatted with both of them in the chat.

Posting on my kindle fire.

[RachMarie]

Oops sorry for the double posting.

[RachMarie]

Also noone is unlynchable save an innocent child or if someone white knights them to the level that Meta did In Newbie 1206.

[RachMarie]

Oh and Meta was scumz. I was the doc. He did make me unlynchable in that game.

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Fuzzy

Could you clarify that since odd can mean many things?

[RachMarie]

yeah cause we all know I never have reads of my own right [/sarcasm].

Yeah and who will you look at when I flip TOWN eh? Wis iffen you are town in this game you need to take off the confimation bias glasses and look at the big picture... You tunneling on me so hard core is either

You are town and misreading me due to the bias

OR

You be scumz going for the easy peasy mislynch...

yeah I see Horus as prob town... the fact that he turned out to be an alt of Mew's kinda solidifies that read for me even more since I have played with Mew before.

I also see DKB as prob town....

I am not yet sure of Wis still trying to peg him...

Still leaning toward Zionite as scumz but some of his more recent posts feel more towny...

Still working on pegging Fuzzy and Grim both of whom are good players and dont let the join date fool you on Grim.

[RachMarie]

I already stated I am not liking the fact that miss D hydra (and I know and have played with both heads of that hydra several times though HD more completed games than Mara) just not posting

at mod is it possible to use a large cattle prod on the hydra? This is getting ridiculous

[RachMarie]

yeah I am a tad annoyed you do this every game, get me mislynched. So far I think we have not had a game where I was scum and you were town...

[RachMarie]

not just mislynched but mislynched on D 1.

Meanwhile I gave my reads...

[RachMarie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=25670 Open 478

Claimed N 1 Doc got lynched on Day 1 by seven townies Thought Wis was town too and he was and I was gonna protect him on n 1


the rest I cant share cause still ongoing. But the above is very typical...

meanwhile how on earth did you get that from my reads Wis?

DBK feels like hes prob town because he put together a list of reads, dont completely agree with all of them, but he still did it. He is putting pressure on me also feels from a towny PoV. I think scumz would have held off a bit longer and waited to see if Wis got my wagon up higher first.

you are wrong on me suspecting none I suspect everyone cause I dont know which of ya all is town and which is scumz ... yet.

Some I suspect more than others

Mara maybe you are in too many games girl Dont you and HD disappear like that. I cant read your slot iffen you do. And I know both of you are good players.


This is NOT an ongoing game cause we rerolled but Grim pulled scumz in the first try of N 1368 and had us all fooled he was town. that is why the warning. I will not talk about the rerolled game though since it is ongoing.

Mala is on V/LA and so far I dont have much on her yet. She is good as both town and scumz.

[RachMarie]

At Zionite

Not sure why everyone thinks I am scum in just about every game I am in...

PL is Policy Lynch

[RachMarie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=26894 The game in its beta format ... I was scumz in it. Got caught making the NK and BY was the notekeeper and he got Syr (the global watcher's) result.

[RachMarie]

umm track record?

in the game I showed I was lynched after I claimed and there was no scum on my wagon I think that shows I am an easy lynch... I can find other games as well iffen needed

[RachMarie]

uhh gee Wis could that maybe be a clue that I am not scumz... just a thought...

[RachMarie]

because I dont "fit" with anyone that is...

[RachMarie]

bah I give up

Wis clearly is stuck in his conf bias which is unfortunate because he is prob town...

moving along to look at others now.

[RachMarie]

Mala that was not exactly my point I was trying to get Wis to look at the bigger picture, but I give up on that clearly he is always gonna read me as scumz even though I am not.

So I am moving on

[RachMarie]

oh you are so tunneling

cmon everything you say practically has the Rach as must be scumz in it, not once have you tried looking at the players with me as Town. So yeah you are tunneling. Or defending Fuzzy against Zionite that is about the only non Rach thing I have seen, though I have not yet ISOed you. I need to do that.

meanwhile while we are doing this it gives the scumz a way to hide in the woodwork because there is not spotlight on them.

[RachMarie]

umm Fuzzy mine is way out of date too, but got anything else to say? like something relevant to the game at hand?

What do you think of Zio's case on you?

What do you think of how Wis has been defending you?

[RachMarie]

yeah I am trying to get a read on Fuzzy

[RachMarie]

No I am trying to get fuzzy to respond. To like oh you know discuss things so we get info out for town.

TBH I had not yet read Zios post I read Fuzzy's oh my wiki is out of date and it well kinda rubbed me the wrong way.

[RachMarie]

one of these days I am going to take a screenshot photo and post it so peeps can see what my screen looks like I have to scroll up and down to read peeps posts because I have the screen zoomed way in to make the font large enough for me to see.

[RachMarie]

next question Fuzzy who do you think is scum?

[RachMarie]

Grim

Miss D is a hydra of two players. Mara and Human Destroyer (usually called HD)

Hope that helps with the confusion

and please feel free to call me Rach.

As for the suspect some more than others, I tend to view people who I know are good at hiding being scum or people who I feel have posted scummy in the game with more suspicion than peeps that seem more towny BUT no one gets a free pass on D 1 I know anyone can be scumz.

[RachMarie]

Where is your case?

I see a lot of mega tunneling on Fuzzy then a vote for me?

[RachMarie]

Good to see you back in the game

Ok more details please what do you mean about Zio and Mala? Are you hinting they might be scum budz?

I thought Mala was voting you?

I did notice though that Zio did not spend much energy on me until after he was at L-1 and I was voting for you Miss D...

[RachMarie]

no was about Zio and I not about you only part about you was I was NOT voting Zio so I could see a case of him leaving me be til later because of that...

you are still firmly in the null better post MORE category... Why do you think I was grumbling about you? Both your hydra heads are usually active so was suspicious having nada from the slot and that bothered me I want to get everyone pegged.

[RachMarie]

brain dead will post more tomorrow

[RachMarie]

wait I had not yet caught up jeez why did you hammer already DBK? I cant wait til I have my own computer again grrr...


Ok some quick points before the thread is locked up....

My town reading of DBK has gone down somewhat with that hammer...

Wis I feel is towny. He is pushing on peeps and his reasons for thinking peeps are scummy are sound and have merit. He is wrong about me but still he had a good case so it does not feel like hes just trying to get get mislynches going.

Zio on the other hand..... bah I think he is scumz. I was going to declare intent to hammer (something DBK SHOULD have done )

I do not see Zio and Fuzzy being scum budz though it does not feel like scum distancing. So if we are right about Zio being scumz, and I think we are, then Fuzzy is probably Town, the inverse though is not necessarily so (if Zio flps Town that does not mean for sure that Fuzzy is scumz). This does not feel like the scum Fuzzy I met in Greater Idea Mafia. (Where he fake claimed Seer).

Horus is probably town. His posts feel very much like a Town PoV.

Need to take a good look at Mara and Miss D.

[RachMarie]

Good case does not always mean correct, it just means so on so genuinely finds me scummy...

[RachMarie]

Why did you not declare Intent to Hammer first?

[RachMarie]

umm its incorrect because I am Town not scumz, but it is a good case because it shows he is trying to scum hunt not just go for me cause I tend to be an easy lynch.

[RachMarie]

Dude I even posted the beta version of this game where I was one of the scumz duh. He has modified it a bit since then to make it a bit less town sided but still pretty much a lot like that one.

No Governor in this setup.

[RachMarie]

just FYI it is L-1 around here usually when someone declares intent to hammer or if we are up near a deadline you might go ahead at L-1 without intent ...

(I am one of the ICs on site so yeah there is an IC comment).

[RachMarie]

Mala there was not a lot going on here...

BTW

Wis you are pushing Sword? Did he replace DBK?

[RachMarie]

Intent to hammer is not just about claiming.

It gives the lynchee a chance to have final thoughts reads and any other info just in case it ends up being a mislynch.

It gives other players a chance to post their final thoughts and any other info they feel town should know before the day ends.

It allows for other players to say hey wait a minute it is too soon to end the day etc.

So having intent to hammer helps town in many ways not just the claim. Which is why it is best to declare intent whether or not the lynchee has claimed.

That being said I am not liking how sword is not saying much here. plus that hammer uggh


VOTE: sword


you have some 'splainin to do dude...

[RachMarie]

well maybe this will get the game moving I doubt one vote on him is going to stir him much Wis

And I still wanna know what the heck was up with that hammer.

@ Grim Was I absolutely sure Zio was scum, no but I did think he was likely to be scum. I am not sure of anyone else in this game.

Wis I admit most peeps in this game have been lacking in activity. But my activity has been sporadic all over due to my not having a computer and sharing one with NS. Being exhausted trying to function without a hearing aid also does not help. If there is some RL stuffs going on, sword should tell us. This does not feel like his usual play from games we were in before.

[RachMarie]

no both are true

Overall my activity on the computer (everywhere not just on site) is sporadic.... And I did not see much going on when I took the few minutes I had to look here there were no new posts to speak of. Particularly from the peeps I need to hear from to help me narrow down the pool.

Which would be :
Sword,
Miss D,
and Horus.

You have as usual spoken quite a bit, Mala has spoken and even Grim has but there is so little from several people it is making it hard for me to peg them.

[RachMarie]

of the peeps who have not posted much I thought that was clear


Umm Fuzzy lol Better double check which game you are posting in, you are dead in this one.

[RachMarie]

Posts made from the following peeps Wis

Sword. Miss D. and Horus.

I have you in the town pile. Grim too. Need to read through Mala's ISO but ehh there are so many missing links atm. I really did think Zio was scum meh.

need to do a VCA too see if I can figure out who was on and off his wagon.

[RachMarie]

oh crap that is right he did the stupid hammer well so much for that....

Kinda hard to ask questions and push on people who are just not there.

I really am not in favor of PLs in general. Especially in smaller games.

When I am less tired and able to focus more I will ISO and do VCA hopefully be able to find something to push on.

[RachMarie]

Actually I forgot about that sorry Sword.

But still I would like to see more from some of the other slots too

in fact

VOTE: Miss D

You are a hydra and I know both your heads tend to be active so yeah whats up here?

[RachMarie]

She? you mean they? Miss D is a hydra of Mara and HD.

[RachMarie]

But that is why the slot being so absent bothers me more, because I know both heads of the hydra and this is not at all typical of their play.

Mara pushes a lot and reads emotions more than logic and she is extremely active though spread a fair bit thin. But I have seen her in chat so yeah where is she in the game?

As for HD he tends to be aggressive and tunnel like mad even when he is wrong about someone when he is town, and I definitely am not seeing that here.

[RachMarie]

Hello that was a pressure vote on you sword, and I realized that I messed up cause you would have no clue on why the hammer, so will ask DBK once game is over lol.

Who is Rachel?? Don't think we have one in the game..... I am Rach or Rachael.

I have been a bit more short tempered than usual lately. Stress of not having a computer, trying to sleep odd hours so its easier to share one with NS, and being tired all the time due to lack of hearing aid.

Miss D I have a much stronger vibe on it is not just a pressure vote. I think they pulled scumz this go round.

Mala I did still think its possible but dude really needs to POST big tiime.

I am pushing on lurkers for a reason I have not been able to peg everyone as tight as I would have liked and that is partly lack of posts from almost half the players. I use meta and PoE a lot in my scum hunting.

At this point the only one I am more convinced of is Miss D this silence from two active players is underwhelming. It is not typical town Mara play and definitely not typcial town HD play. You should know this, you have a hydra with Mara. So it is not just because they are lurking, it is because it is not their usual way of playing. I am not 100% of course. but they are my top scumspect. The fact that they are giving me a free pass is also suspect. Like they already know I am Town.

Why are you defending them Mala? Are you their scum budz?

[RachMarie]

Not defensive., suspicious of you.

You dont think it is odd that they have not been posting?

[RachMarie]

I would like to hear from the Horus replacement too.

Mara WTF??? That is not exactly reassuring..... Dont do a Telo on us.

Mala I was pushing for lurkers to POST, Miss D on the other hand it was not just lurking and I stated that.

[RachMarie]

Telo is a player here who refuses to claim under any circumstances, it usually results in people lynching her.

[RachMarie]

Every game I have been in with her she has been asked to claim and refused and lynched and ended up being VT

[RachMarie]

That was in reference to Telo another player which is why I said dont do a Telo.... It bothers me that she hemmed and hawed around her claim like that and I was stating that it was like Telos behavior.

[RachMarie]

LOL cute Jason

Want me to see if I can rustle someone up?

[RachMarie]

Welcome Egg

How do you explain then why two normally highly active posters are lurking the heck out of this game? Also the botched up claim reminds me of HB. (Mara is going to hate me bringing this up, but yeah).

I can also point to a lurky HD in You are not Cats where I was scum budz with him.


no one has claimed yet.

[RachMarie]

How can you be sure?

[RachMarie]

wait what?

Are you trying to get me lynched Wis?

We still have 7 days and Egg has just recently replaced in, why you trying to end the day while we are still figuring stuffs out

[RachMarie]

uggh I just realized why someone might think that duh

I was supposed to visit someone and I picked fuzzy at random cause he was the first person to come to mind. Then I ignored it since I am VT had nothing else to do in the night. I totally forgot about it til I double checked my pm I sent to the mod.

Someone else visited Fuzzy though with more nefarious designs.

sigh

Well I would understand if you all lynch me based on that

[RachMarie]

arent I at l-1 I saw Wis asking about Miss D hammering?

[RachMarie]

Figures youd vote the counterwagon
soo hammer her, we heard from Egg

umm that did not sound like he was talking about Miss D esp since in the next post he said he thought they had voted me.

It is better that I be outted at this point even lynched over outting our watcher. duh

Which is why I shared that info

After I went back and realized why someone might think I am scumz.

[RachMarie]

Well you were wrong I am VT

I did not want the watcher revealing himself or herself, and I certainly can see why he or she would think I was scumz since I did visit Fuzzy even though I later forgot about it

Good luck town will watch from the dead thread.

Though you should have declared intent to hammer there Grim, I feel you are probably town

I feel that Wis is town

have doubts about Miss D and Mala, definitely keep an eye on them.

Egg seems towny from his first posts but ehhh keep an eye on him anyways til you have a better idea of his alignment

[RachMarie]

what do you mean L-1? you hammered or did someone else unvote?

[RachMarie]

hydras usually have a QT where they can talk with each other anytime.

Plus Mara is often in the onsite chat lobby so not hard to find her. She has several hydrae set up and I am pretty sure she has a QT with each of them. I certainly can understand issues interfering with ability to post. It is after 7 AM here and I have not yet been to sleep so I could use the computer for a little while. I am making stupid mental errors because I am tired and headachy from not having a hearing aid, but the good news is probly in about a week we will have my new computer and be able to at least work on getting me an over the ear hearing aid on loan til I can get my new one.

I am certainly not saying that I am 100% sure they are scumz, but it just seems odd their behavior does not fit how either of them play. So it is pinging my scumdar.

[RachMarie]

I am fine with that it does not reveal the watcher and that is what matters.

Ye gods Grim, it is not the first time I miscounted votes. It was late I was tired I read the posts and skimmed over the VC because it is posted in red which does not show well up on Sepia and I did not feel up to focusing to read it. I am 70% blind, 80% deaf and have been without a working hearing aid for weeks, plus the fact I am sleeping odd hours while sharing a computer means I might just make a mistake or two.

Grim have you ever even read any of my scum games? I would start with the one that was the predecessor to this game where I was scum with tne and I got caught making the NK on Syr who was the global watcher.

sorry about that Wis I really thought you meant Miss D hammering me.

[RachMarie]

it was a universal watcher we did not have everyone visiting like in this one, and we had a back up notekeeping prodigy and a 1 shot doc who got himself lynched and never used his one shot, and still was fairly town sided which is why Jason made some changes


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=26894

Sword was in that one so was Mara who is one half of the Miss D hydra

[RachMarie]

To prevent my scum bud from being linked to me in that game once I got caught and Blue Yoshi had the result of Syrs watching me nk him (Syr), I figured there was no point in pushing it any longer and maybe get tne lynched as well. Oddly enough our plan before we got caught by BY was to bus him so I would have town cred. Then BY comes in and says I am the notekeeper and I have Syrs result .....oooppsss lol

[RachMarie]

I did too at first Wis.

[RachMarie]

I visited Fuzzy

Popcorn to Miss D

[RachMarie]

I will keep posting as much as I can but I will be somewhat V/LA for about a week til I get my new computer, my carpal tunnel is having a major flare up even though I am on the computer a lot less due to the angle I am sitting while using NSs computer

[RachMarie]

LOL you want to popcorn to the person you think is most scummy of those who have not yet been popcorned. So in this case being last means most likely you are fairly universal town read

[RachMarie]

wow I am so popular lol

I had forgotten about the change when I first started playing and then saw the message about pick someone or I will assign someone random, and since I am sharing a computer (though not for much longer may get my new one by as early as Friday WOOT), I did not want to take a chance on missing it, since I had not had time to sort through so I could pick the scummiest person I could find, I picked the first one that came to mind. Nothing half as sinister as ya all are making me out to be lol.

Hey Egg how do you know me so well? is this an alt? I dont remember playing with you before?
I did panic a bit when we were in the froofroo and I was worried that somehow the watcher would inadvertently out himself or herself. Which is why I claimed, and I did think I was at L-1. So another reason to claim.

I am certainly not a super cunning scum usually get a lot of suspicion on me whether I am town or scum

[RachMarie]

I forgot it was a one shot dealie..... Since I am often a PR (mainly Doc) I get antsy about them outting too soon. I guess though if it is one shot it is not so bad.

Meanwhile clearly someone is lying about not visiting Fuzzy. Cause I know I did not kill him.

[RachMarie]

hey now I am not THAT much of a pushover.

GOOD NEWS I HAVE MY NEW COMPUTER


Sorry for not getting back sooner but it took a while to set it all up.

The antivirus was being a pain and it took 3 tries to get it loaded and I was not gonna go on the computer without protection


Grim jeez I am not some master manipulator. In general when I play scumz I try to lie as little as possible. I was telling the truth. Even with the page zoomed in like 500 % to help me see, that orange barely shows up on sepia background that the site uses.

Considering deadline I would understand iffen ya all lynched me though I would rather hit scumz.

I am VT.

[RachMarie]

Actually Thor does that a lot in either alignment. Picks someone and keeps saying so and so is scum.... And tries to get the town to sheep him, and it works well even after he has led the town to a mislynch or two.

[RachMarie]

I would but I am already voting for Miss D

[RachMarie]

ugghs Bacde....

Dude tried hard to convince them to lynch me when I was the watcher in the Goonies game (that just ended), he even fake claimed a PR.... we lynched him and sure enough he was scumz, that night I watched one of the BFFs who turned out to be Lovers, and caught the other scumz red handed and we won.

he also railed a lot at Absta in another game where he was scumz. And NKed me instead of Absta cause he found me intimidating? Even though Absta was gunning for a Bacde lynch to the point of fake claiming cop to do it?

[RachMarie]

I am still VT

Dont let them off the hook I still think they are scumz...


Good luck town

I will be rooting from the dead thread (I hope there is one?)

[RachMarie]

well when we played HB she was scumz and kinda revealed herself during twilight, and I was the detective and caught her NKing our actual vig after she fake claimed that PR earlier.

[RachMarie]

Grim I dont troll iffen I was gonna flip scumz I would either not post or just say so

The fact I still said I am VT after the hammer means I am VT

[RachMarie]

Well it has been rough not having my own computer and sleeping odd hours to better share one with NS. Should settle down a lot now that I have my new laptop

[RachMarie]

wow

Grim I am DEFINITELY gonna keep a close eye on you in any future games you are really good at being scum but appearing to be town. Props to Mala too


Sorry about that tunneling Mara and HD, but your play here was so different from what I was used to from both of you. You two are usually both very active posters, and HD as town usually hard core tunnels on someone like a bulldog with a bone, even if he is wrong on his read he stays all tenacious.

[RachMarie]

What??

please tell me you are not serious

He is such a sweetie

[RachMarie]

yeah she told me in chat.

He has been busy with finals n stuff but said now that it is summer he will pick up activity