Micro 182 - Buzzword Bingo (SPEED WAGONED)

[mastin2]

Hi guys! I'm mastin2, and I'm rep--
...

Oh

.

...I'm an original player. Imagine that.

As you can imagine, quite swamped atm and my other games currently have priority, 'specially given that this game has 25 pages and that's a lot to catch up on.

Will be back in a sec.

[mastin2]

Geez, what

is

it with AP's games and being long? His games are among the longest micros we have, gaining three damn pages in only a few hours. (Not to mention, him being my co-mod. )

Seriously, guys. Slow down. I'm a busy guy with a lot of responsibilities. The more you talk, the longer it'll take for me to get caught up.

[mastin2]

I swear to the gods, I will MURDER you all. >_<

/reading.

FROM GOD DAMN PAGE ONE OF THIRTY!

[mastin2]

Hey ya'll. I'm a miller.

Town.

[mastin2]

2 is town, too.

[mastin2]

@2: yes. And I doubt that there will be two millers in 9 players game.

Towniest.

[mastin2]

Lol

Strangely enough we now have three conftown

Add me in to make the fourth

All of APs games are really town sided I feel

VOTE: AA9

Dammit. I'm doing it again.

VOTE: Orcinus_theoriginal.

Not only the least-townie poster, but also most scum.

[mastin2]

2 is double-town,

Vote: orcinus theoriginal

I was hoping he wasn't going to check the thread again before I went to sleep.

Nacho is also town, and...

VOTE: Orc

explain...how do we have 3 confirmed towns?

I'm suddenly a bit weary. :/

[mastin2]

Pretty much have to leave, but I'm close to having a strong stance already. I only need one more townread in order to win the game guaranteed.

[mastin2]

Why am I not surprised that you guys managed to spit out FIVE NEW PAGES for me to read? >_<

[mastin2]

Fortunately, this game's quite easy to keep track of townreads. Double-miller = double easiness, plus 2, plus Nacho. That leaves four players null/scum, and if I get the final townread, that's a guaranteed win. Anyway, I was on...goddammit, I was on page three, wasn't I?

[mastin2]

Meh. Orc's town, Jake can be scum.
UNVOTE: Orcinus_theoriginal.

Vote: Jake from State Farm

.
That leaves AA9 and another player (whoever the heck they are) for lynching.

Ideally, we hit scum today, and scum tomorrow, and never have to get to D3. But with only three names in the lynch-pool, we're guaranteed victory at this point.
/through four.

[mastin2]

If you have doubts--Jake inflamed Orcinus. Orcinus was not the one spurning on the conflict. He might have gotten emotional, but Jake fanned orcinus's flame. This makes orcinus all-but-conftown, and Jake a pretty damn strong candidate for scum, 'specially given his lynch policy on millers, when I firmly believe both are town.

Thus, Jake's scum, orc's not, and this is confirmed by my readings on page five.

[mastin2]

Both millers, Squared, Orci (and by extension Jiffy), and Jake are all town.

If it's seriously between AA9, Nacho, and Mastin (and I guess me if you really want to be a stickler about it), this game is going to be E Z.

Oh.

HD's the third off my townlist.

Right there along-side AA9 and Jake.

He might be scum, too, for putting Jake in there when Jake quite frankly has done nothing to deserve it. He fanned orcinus, and in addition to that, has come up with a scummy-as-hell stance that both millers cannot be legit. This is not Jake as I know him to be. He's not even scumhunting.

[mastin2]

I'm fine being lynched. Between orc's BS & 2 miller claims, this game isn't even bookmarked. I'm gonna do nothing much til at least 1 miller & jiffy are lynched.

Like this.

He KNOWS at least one miller is town, and quite frankly, this pretty much makes it clear he knows Majiffy is town, too. He's not even being subtle about it, either. As blatant as it gets, this is Jake flat-out ADMITTING he's pushing three mislynches, via the two millers and Orc/Majiffy.

This is not town, and HD getting a townread there is SERIOUSLY reason for HD to be scum.

[mastin2]

Post 24 shows syryana is familiar with AP using miller, which means he's more likely to use that as scum cause he can point to that game like he did.

Which is precisely why Syryana's miller claim makes Syryana town. Knowing a miller is not only possible but probable as scum, WHY WOULD YOU CLAIM MILLER KNOWING IT WOULD BE CC'D?

You wouldn't. AP's claim is legit, both millers are town, and Jake is scum for pushing this.

[mastin2]

Vote: Jake From State Farm

<3

Said exactly what I had been saying, way back then.

[mastin2]

This exchange was very, very town. I think that buldermar would be paying special attention to his most recent game as scum with this playerlist, so forgetting about it and needing ffery's intervention is pretty town already.

And this is very, very scum. I don't have the slightest reason to think you'd be able to town read us this quickly.

- b

Then how come HD isn't scum to you for doing the same?
Or me scum for doing the same?
Or, really, any player calling you town doing the same? (I believe Orc did as well--why isn't Majiffy by proxy scum for it?)

Have you considered that, maybe, you're just THAT. DAMN. EASY. to read?

[mastin2]

Mastin-Jake are scum, Arc and HD are townleans, you orc + two millers are all town.

;_;

Nacho, work with me, here. Jake's scum. Ya got that. But HD isn't. Not for the Jake-townread.

[mastin2]

I'll self vote, yes

But you should be getting mod killed for violating site rules. Goodbye.

I missed this before. I don't know how I feel about it.

I do. It's highly manipulative. It's encouraging orcinus to dig his hole deeper, and an incredibly passive-aggressive way of shutting orcinus down. His discrediting of 2 is actually much the same. He tried shutting them down.

It's not scumhunting. It's blatantly creating an emotional response, in a subtle way, to allow him to say, "See, I hold the moral high ground!" and force people into thinking he's right.

[mastin2]

I don't like how nachomamma8 is too generous with townreads that it looks like a major-scale buddying attempt.

And yet HD doing the exact damn thing escaped your eye...why?
Orc did it, I did it, too.

Seriously, I said it to 2, I'll say it to you. Sometimes, players are just really. damn. easy. to read. This is one of those times, where with the millers and 2 both being town, it's just a matter of which two remaining names you think are town. (In my case, I firmly believe Nacho is one and weakly believe AA9 is the other. Leaving HD and Jake as the scum.)

[mastin2]

Jake from State Farm [4/5] - 2, Nachomamma8, Majiffy, Syryana

Deeply disappointed this didn't go through.

[mastin2]

o basically add Nacho to the scum list also cause anyone who just accepts the miller claims as legit and doesn't question it in the least is not playing with a "find scum" mentality imo

Your scum list will end up consisting of everyone but yourself, lol.

- b

And this isn't a tipoff to you that Jake's scum...why?

Like, seriously.

"EVERYONE IN THIS GAME IS SCUM!" was a scumtell I picked up as a newbie in 2009. That's beyond town paranoia. That's scum keeping their options open.

[mastin2]

you manage to read me town but not Jake, why?

I'll ask the opposite, ArcAngel.

Why is Jake town to you?

[mastin2]

@ syrana. You are sheeping. I see no original thoughts coming from you, I see no genuine scum hunting from you.

Ironic, given that Syryana's post above this was pretty much everything opposite of what Jake was saying. Calling AA9 scum is not sheeping, and in fact is a fairly original thought, and showed scumhunting that used logic nobody else had used by that point.

Jake's scum. Syryana's not.

[mastin2]

@Jake: I would say the post before yours just now is genuine scumhunting.

As if I needed any more reason to call Cirno town.

(I should REALLY learn to read before I post. )

[mastin2]

And my read is solidified!

[mastin2]

Seriously, guys. Slow down. I'm a busy guy with a lot of responsibilities. The more you talk, the longer it'll take for me to get caught up.

I dislike this excuse.

- b

Screw that.

The topic may be locked, but I have half a dozen tabs still open for my modded game because there's still a ton of modding stuff which I should be doing right now, but am not because I'm reading this game. Yesterday when the game was in deadline mode, naturally I had my attention there. Then, there's real life; I was ten minutes late for an appointment as it was thanks to MS stuff. I have and had a huge amount of real life stuff on my shoulders thanks to me being sick over the weekend. In addition to that, SC's bugging me about my hobby stuff (that is, drawing), ALSO delayed by my sickness. And in addition to the modding, there's teaching. And in addition to that, I SHOULD be paying attention to elsewhere. And in addition to that? Know what I'd be doing MS-wise if

you

weren't delaying me by making me read all this worthless crap? I'd be doing my MD work which I'm supposed to, along with browsing site ideas. The stuff which I'm giving up doing for this damn game.

Dislike it all you please, it doesn't change the truth of it that I have a ton on my plate, and you should be thankful that I'm even putting the amount of work into this game that I am, since I very well could (and quite frankly WANT to) be somewhere else, spending my time more productively.

And you're making it harder, by pettily squabbling with scum, adding to the raw verbosity I'm already sludging my way through.

[mastin2]

apparently nobody thinks you're scum yet. but i think you possible be. Are you?

Nope, you?

Seriously, Jake's scum. I don't get how anyone can have a townread on him. Majiffy's case was solid, and I've been raising point after point for why he's scum. Yet...nothing.

Literally, nothing that I've read.

Shows a good explanation for why he's town.

[mastin2]

I swear to the gods, I will MURDER you all. >_<

/reading.

FROM GOD DAMN PAGE ONE OF THIRTY!

For the record, did the math.

Posting rate average of 7 pages per day.

SEVEN. PAGES. IN. A. SINGLE. DAY.

Which we've already met.

Seriously. If you guys didn't talk so much worthlessly, I'd be caught up right now and could waste my time on something resembling productivity. But nooooooo, you've gotta be wordy and make me sift through all this BS.

[mastin2]

lol it really is Nacho/Mastin isn't it

It really is Jake-HD, isn't it?

[mastin2]

Pretty much have to leave, but I'm close to having a strong stance already. I only need one more townread in order to win the game guaranteed.

I softly recommend you to avoid the Jake and 2 conversations.. most of it just a counter argument on the same thing.

Side-note, read stuff like this

before

I read, woulda saved me the hassle.

(AA9 is decently town to me, now.)

[mastin2]

Nachomamma8 [4/5] - Human Destroyer, 2, Syryana, Jake from State Farm

Yup, both scum on the wagon. AA9's town because Jake's seriously SERIOUSLY scum and HD's also scum.

[mastin2]

Why are so many people lying in this game?

2 has done a decent enough job of displaying your fanning the flames, so I don't need to.

Needless to say, "EVERYONE THIS GAME IS A LIAR!" is just as bad as the "EVERYONE IS SCUM" attitude. We clearly aren't all scum, so we're clearly not all lying. (A lie is a deliberate mistruth. You can tell a falsehood without intending to, but that is not a lie.)

The liar this game couldn't be more clear--Jake.

[mastin2]

Mastin and majiffy know how good I am when I put my mind to it.

Which, mind you, is PRECISELY WHY YOU NOT HAVING DONE SO MAKES YOU SCUM.

You're

not

displaying the town-you which I know. You're calling everyone liars, claiming the moral high ground, have had scumreads on almost everyone, have been pushing a scummy-as-hell policy that both millers can't be town (which sets up two mislynches in a row!), and switched opportunistically onto the Nacho wagon with no explanation.

[mastin2]

If he faked his v/la I'm going to be incredibly disappointed in him.

There's also this claim, which at best undermines my credibility by questioning my integrity (I would NEVER) do so, and at worst could bait me into a flame war.

[mastin2]

Post 24 shows syryana is familiar with AP using miller, which means he's more likely to use that as scum cause he can point to that game like he did.

Which is precisely why Syryana's miller claim makes Syryana town. Knowing a miller is not only possible but probable as scum, WHY WOULD YOU CLAIM MILLER KNOWING IT WOULD BE CC'D?

You wouldn't.

AP

Syryana

's claim is legit, both millers are town, and Jake is scum for pushing this.

Fixed.

[mastin2]

Purposely ignoring p.edits is scummy as shit mastin. Get your head out of the sand for a minute

I don't look at pedit posts. Ever.

I find them annoying. I hit submit, if it doesn't go through, I hit submit until it does. Well-established fact. Shown easily in any of my games. I've ranted on this before, in fact. I refuse to acknowledge them. It cheapens the post. I don't see the author, I don't read the content, I ignore it and hit submit, content be damned. The only time there's an exception to this is when I'm voting. Which I'm not.

And this is yet another example of Jake trying to incite a flame war.

[mastin2]

You know if Nacho had something like "2 is town as fuck" or even "2 is town" that post wouldn't have clanged. And I see you totally ignored the Q&A between Nacho and me.

There is something shallow about your reads.

- f

I saw Nacho's posting. I do in fact have thoughts about it, but I've been intentionally holding back because I want him to say things in his words. I have a very specific expectation of Nacho. He fits it? Towniest guy in town. He breaks it? I'll owe an apology to HD and will lynch his ass. WHICH IS WHY NOT REVEALING OR SO MUCH AS HINTING AT WHAT THIS MAY BE IS SO IMPORTANT.

This is as much as you're getting.

[mastin2]

Btw, this isn't mastin's town meta in case anyone is wondering.

This isn't my anything meta in case anyone's wondering because I've been intentionally half-assing it.

[mastin2]

Why is mastin throwing himself at the noose?

- f

I'm not. I want to say that bluntly, I don't care, but that's not quite true. I'm in that stupid zone where I sorta care but don't really yet kinda care yet don't yet do. As I said. Half-assed. I do have reads, I do have a plan, and I do have something resembling a care to lynch scum, but quite honestly, I actually really don't overall care. I should, but this game is a godawful nightmare, and I'm recovering from the sickness, so honestly, I'd rather not be playing. I'd rather be spending my time elsewhere.

But I am playing anyway, because screw getting replaced, this is an AP game and I'm an abled (albeit not very willing) body who knows what he's doing.

...Which, I guess, really does resemble throwing myself at the noose.

[mastin2]

lol it really is Nacho/Mastin isn't it

It really is Jake-HD, isn't it?

You haven't actually said why I'm scummy.
Nor have you brought up a good point why Jake is scum.
Nor was Majiffy's case good in any sense of the word.
Nor have you brought up any real point why Nacho is town.

You're scummy because you have Jake as town.
I've been pointing out why Jake's scum in every single post I've made.
Majiffy's case spoke for itself; I agreed with almost every single point and in fact as has been evident by my posting he said some stuff I was saying.

[mastin2]

o basically add Nacho to the scum list also cause anyone who just accepts the miller claims as legit and doesn't question it in the least is not playing with a "find scum" mentality imo

Your scum list will end up consisting of everyone but yourself, lol.

- b

And this isn't a tipoff to you that Jake's scum...why?

Like, seriously.

"EVERYONE IN THIS GAME IS SCUM!" was a scumtell I picked up as a newbie in 2009. That's beyond town paranoia. That's scum keeping their options open.

That's not always the case. Sad that you have played since 2009 and are yet to learn this.

- b

Technically, I started playing in 2008. I don't really count 688, though, so 2009 is when I consider myself to have actually started playing.

And, hey, I do learn. For instance, the old me would suddenly freak out and have paranoia on you here, because you're calling me town and I'd think it to be a scumslip. I've learned better than that.

[mastin2]

I swear to the gods, I will MURDER you all. >_<

/reading.

FROM GOD DAMN PAGE ONE OF THIRTY!

For the record, did the math.

Posting rate average of 7 pages per day.

SEVEN. PAGES. IN. A. SINGLE. DAY.

Which we've already met.

Seriously. If you guys didn't talk so much worthlessly, I'd be caught up right now and could waste my time on something resembling productivity. But nooooooo, you've gotta be wordy and make me sift through all this BS.

You're the one spending the vast majority of your time dedicated to this game on complaining about how we are making too many pages and how you have no chance instead of just optimizing the time you actually spend on it.

- b

Every complaint message took very little time to type, and in fact is encouragement for me to keep going.

Do you know how many times I've considered quitting and going elsewhere? Do you know how many times I've considered saying, "screw it, these guys are hopeless" and going elsewhere? How many times I've considered just skipping it all and ignoring posts which I should have read?

As many times as you see those messages, maybe with some extra moments here and there which were balanced out by me thinking about said messages.

For instance, this. Know how much time it takes? Less than five minutes. Know how much time it'll probably secure for this game? Fifteen, maybe even twenty minutes. (Maybe not consecutive minutes, but certainly cumulative.) By which, I mean, your blasted battle with Jake drains so much of my willpower that I'm basically running on snark, anger, and all-around devotion to AP.

[mastin2]

assume you lynch me today, do you promise to self vote tomorrow when I flip town?

Nope. You're scum, but let's talk about an if where you're town.
You flip town.
Scum NK obvtown.
Under my plan, two scum left, but there's an outside chance I'm wrong on my read. So I get mislynched.
In lylo, there's only a 50/50 rather than an assured 100%.

[mastin2]

I have already answered to this. READ IT again mastin.

For me to read it, I have to know where it is, ArcAngel.

I don't see it. If I did, I wouldn't have asked.

[mastin2]

I explained my townread with perfectly valid reasoning.

Like ArcAngel, I don't see it. Like, at all. Show me why I'm blind, but I see nothing about Jake being town. Just that he is to you. For some mysterious

unspecified

unclearly-said reason.

[mastin2]

dude you have played with me before, even if you hadn't you can go look at my games. as town I think everyone is scum and as scum I don't stray too far from 1 or 2 suspects.

you also know I tunnel like a motherfucker, you essentially even said that yourself. If you are town being honest with yourself, there is no way you think I am scum.

Yes, tunnel.

Your play this game has not been tunneling. Not in the least.

You've shown a stubbornness and insistence on lynching off of policy. And you've shown wildly changing reads which are largely inconsistent.

Show me the tunneling and who knows? You could be town. But I've seen none of it. I've seen nothing of the Jake I know as town.

[mastin2]

I explained my townread with perfectly valid reasoning.

Like ArcAngel, I don't see it. Like, at all. Show me why I'm blind, but I see nothing about Jake being town. Just that he is to you. For some mysterious

unspecified

unclearly-said reason.

Indignance about a policy, especially a bad one, is a towntell, not a scumtell, since scum would rather fit in than look bad for trying to enact their policy.

This is actually...extremely clear.
There's literally no way you could interpret this as anything other than what it says so...what am I missing?

You also have a townread on Nacho to explain.

Oh, that piece of crap was your reason?

Seriously, Nacho couldn't have said it better. It's a policy he has as town, and therefore it's a policy he must have as scum. In fact, there's more reason to hold it as scum. As town, he'd look at the circumstances. As scum, no need! Got a perfect blanket of meta to hide under indefinitely.

Got anything else?

As for Nacho, HD, you're skipping a post of mine. Right back at ya, that's extremely clear.

[mastin2]

I have already answered to this. READ IT again mastin.

For me to read it, I have to know where it is, ArcAngel.

I don't see it. If I did, I wouldn't have asked.

What would you do if I quote the post and show it to you ???

Depends on whether I can see it inside the post you quote. If I see it, then I'll analyze it. If I don't, I'll need you to point it out for me.



HD:

You know if Nacho had something like "2 is town as fuck" or even "2 is town" that post wouldn't have clanged. And I see you totally ignored the Q&A between Nacho and me.

There is something shallow about your reads.

- f

I saw Nacho's posting. I do in fact have thoughts about it, but I've been intentionally holding back because I want him to say things in his words. I have a very specific expectation of Nacho. He fits it? Towniest guy in town. He breaks it? I'll owe an apology to HD and will lynch his ass. WHICH IS WHY NOT REVEALING OR SO MUCH AS HINTING AT WHAT THIS MAY BE IS SO IMPORTANT.

This is as much as you're getting.

[mastin2]

o basically add Nacho to the scum list also cause anyone who just accepts the miller claims as legit and doesn't question it in the least is not playing with a "find scum" mentality imo

Your scum list will end up consisting of everyone but yourself, lol.

- b

And this isn't a tipoff to you that Jake's scum...why?

Like, seriously.

"EVERYONE IN THIS GAME IS SCUM!" was a scumtell I picked up as a newbie in 2009. That's beyond town paranoia. That's scum keeping their options open.

That's not always the case. Sad that you have played since 2009 and are yet to learn this.

- b

And, hey, I do learn. For instance, the old me would suddenly freak out and have paranoia on you here, because you're calling me town and I'd think it to be a scumslip. I've learned better than that.

I'm not calling you town.

- b

In a roundabout way, yes, you are. Not directly so, but this post implies as much. I said that I saw a scumtell in Jake, and said it was among the reasons that Jake was scum.

You said that it wasn't always the case, and that it's sad that I hadn't learned of this. If you thought I was scum, you'd think it's possible that I actually had, and was using an outdated scumtell in order to push a mislynch. But instead, you specifically imply that it's impossible for me to have not seen it to not always be true, and that implication makes me town telling the truth.

...That...made more sense in my head?

[mastin2]

This was his only response to questions directed to him about his Nacho townread.
If he had such a strong townread, he wouldn't need to hold back any reasoning.

And HD not understanding the implication of what I had been saying here despite it being literally RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS EYES, QUOTED IN HIS POST, is why he's scum.

[mastin2]

buldermar may disagree, but

I would like for Nacho to post some more and will be extremely put out if anyone hammers him before he has an opportunity to post.

- f

Well I'm not against Nacho posting some more, but I don't particularly care if he gets hammered before he can do so.

- b

Waaaaaaaaaaait a sec...

Hey, f. You left your vote on Nacho, presumably because you think he's scum.
But you were worried about Nacho being hammered--why not unvote him? Even if he's scum, in a mere heartbeat, the day could be over, and the info you wanted to obtain by leaving him alive would be lost.

Why didn't you unvote him?

[mastin2]

And THIS is exactly what I was looking for from Nacho. Exactly.
I have a massive explanation post with quotes of mine and some from Nacho on the elaboration therein, but that'll have to wait 'til I'm caught up.

In a sentence, Nacho confirmed that he is town there, which reinforces my conviction with my scumread on HD. After I finish my explanation for Nacho, there's going to be an explanation on why HD's misreps of me (misreps, not misreads--there's a difference) makes him scum.

[mastin2]

HD is my main scumread, mastin is a secondary but I want to get cozy with him

Then do so.

Seriously. Over the weekend, my mind wasn't really much on games, but I DID think about this game a bit, and honestly, I think my scumread on HD might even be stronger.

I'm town, Nacho, and you are too. So let's work together.

VOTE: Human Destroyer.

[mastin2]

Nacho still looks town.

That is all.

/agreed muchly. His response showed continued townposting, and was exactly what I had been looking for.

[mastin2]

Nacho's posting on 46 = <3 <3 <3

[mastin2]

Oh look who shows up now

Yes. On Monday. Exactly after my V/LA has ended and I've taken care of my far more important obligations. If you tracked my posting history, you'd see that I've been actively online, doing work--mostly modding--and such. I've been prioritizing things.

This game's near the bottom. (In fact, has been until today AT the bottom.) The minute I was done doing my rounds elsewhere, I started posting here. As soon as I was not

doing things more important than this game

, I came to this game.

[mastin2]

This was his only response to questions directed to him about his Nacho townread.
If he had such a strong townread, he wouldn't need to hold back any reasoning.

And HD not understanding the implication of what I had been saying here despite it being literally RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS EYES, QUOTED IN HIS POST, is why he's scum.

"I have a strong townread on Nacho"

does not make sense with

"I need to withhold my reasoning to make sure I'm right"

one is very confident, one isn't

it's cognitive dissonance

The fact that you're blind to the implication between those two is why you're scum. They're not cognitive dissonance. They augment one another, in fact. Quite strongly, as I'll explain in a bit.

[mastin2]

Mastin, you gotta talk more... . this game must be your least town activity if you're town, therefore i am tending to believe you're not...!!!

ArcAngel, you should know this better than anyone else, that I'm a busy guy. You've neglected games before, and done it as either alignment, correct? Same thing here. The games I have on my plate put this one near the bottom. It's the game I check in on when I have the ability to check in on it, and to contribute when I can. As I currently am. But it's not the first or even second or for that matter even third game I check. Thus, my posting rate is lower here because I only have so much free time and a lot of it is eaten up elsewhere. So yes, my activity is lower, but that's an intentional choice of mine made separate from alignment.

Now work with me, here. I'm town. I think you're town. HD's scum. You can trust me.

[mastin2]

And THIS is exactly what I was looking for from Nacho. Exactly.
I have a massive explanation post with quotes of mine and some from Nacho on the elaboration therein, but that'll have to wait 'til I'm caught up.

In a sentence, Nacho confirmed that he is town there, which reinforces my conviction with my scumread on HD. After I finish my explanation for Nacho, there's going to be an explanation on why HD's misreps of me (misreps, not misreads--there's a difference) makes him scum.

a useless quote wall that really doesn't explain shit about his reads somehow makes you read him as town?

in a sentence, what

And again. HD pretending there's nothing in those posts makes him scum.

It's crystal clear to anyone actually thinking what I was alluding to. It's perfectly clear to anyone actually scumhunting precisely what I was getting at, and why I did what I did and how Nacho confirmed himself as town.

[mastin2]

Oh, and btw, have to leave in either 45 minutes or an hour and 45 minutes. (I, uh, kinda forget which. You'll know by whether I disappear at 3 pm or 4 pm. ) If the former, may not get around to explaining things today. Am currently doing a ton of stuff across everywhere. If the latter, still might not get it done, but it's more likely.

Will have to see. Currently caught up, and will be back soon.

[mastin2]

And THIS is exactly what I was looking for from Nacho. Exactly.
I have a massive explanation post with quotes of mine and some from Nacho on the elaboration therein, but that'll have to wait 'til I'm caught up.

In a sentence, Nacho confirmed that he is town there, which reinforces my conviction with my scumread on HD. After I finish my explanation for Nacho, there's going to be an explanation on why HD's misreps of me (misreps, not misreads--there's a difference) makes him scum.

a useless quote wall that really doesn't explain shit about his reads somehow makes you read him as town?

in a sentence, what

And again. HD pretending there's nothing in those posts makes him scum.

It's crystal clear to anyone actually thinking what I was alluding to. It's perfectly clear to anyone actually scumhunting precisely what I was getting at, and why I did what I did and how Nacho confirmed himself as town.

nacho didn't fucking confirm himself as town, if anything he confirmed himself as scum

and, this time definitely, there

are

people agreeing with me (*cough*squared*cough*) on this point. are they scum too? or are you selectively scumhunting?

Another misrep here which I'll be dealing with, since it's obvious what I was saying and that what HD is saying I was saying isn't what I was actually saying.

By the way, anyone else notice how both Mastin and Nacho seem to have conveniently forgotten about their Jake scumreads to push me?

Oh, not forgotten. Just had the importance thereof marginalized. Jake can still be scum, but you? You ARE scum. Not only that, but Jake can be town under a specific circumstance. I'm trying to figure out how to best figure out if said circumstance applies or not.

Similar to (but not identical to) how I did a feel for Nacho. I'll of course explain said special circumstance when I've figured out if it applies or not, but that'll take some time and effort which right now I'm running dangerously short on.

[mastin2]

2 is double-town,

why double town?

Because both head had posted by that point and I townread each half individually.

(Talk coming later. It's a wall and I have to put time aside to type it.)

[mastin2]

well, scum didn't hammer me that's because both scum are on my wagon

vote mastin

Hammering you was impossible, considering your vote on you made your wagon a grand total of two players.
I was off, Nacho was off; the only names on were you and Majiffy.

Clearly, this means the scumteam is Majiffy and Jake. He's confessing it!

(Majiffy, you should make a snarky comment on this post; I'm not good at snarking. )

[mastin2]

Anyway.
The E appeal has worked, believe it or not. Jake very well could be town, and in fact, I'm beginning to think he is, and that the special circumstance does in fact apply.
Short on time, so no typing my walls (yes, plural ) atm, but be back soon.

[mastin2]

Since I'm actually in danger of being lynched, looks like I'll have to stop lurking right now.

I skipped a bit of conversation (dunno how much, would have to check), but I have for the MOST part been following along.

I've been lurking primarily to see how one playerslot would react in my absence:

Two.

I said that Jake could be town under one specific circumstance, and that circumstance was that if 2 was scum in his place. And that's pretty much the consistent picture being painted. Jake's emotion looks genuine and town, much as Orc's did. Plus, 2's posting (particularly the buld half) is incredibly artificial in its structure.

I've got less than 15 minutes free, so don't exactly have the time to type out a detailed case, but basically, I feel like the scumteam is 2-Human Destroyer, with HD still being much stronger than 2.

Here's the basic rundown of my reads, as they stand:

Nacho:

Strongest non-miller townread. When I first started posting, you saw me quote one of his first posts. That was my first gut reaction, that he was town from that, and my posts declaring him strong town were on that day. The next day, when I did reading and saw a potential inconsistency with his play towards Jake, though, I doubted my read. I tried to hide it, so that I could gauge Nacho's reaction when he came back. If he were testing the waters with regards to Jake and sorta hiding his true thoughts? Town. If he wasn't? Scum. Nacho displayed the former, which reinvigorated my townread in him. His posting's strongly town, and that's why he's retained this spot.

Syryana:

Miller claim, town. Entrance looked town, reaction looked town, overall play has seemed town, albeit wrong-town.

The other miller:

Whatever their name was. Stronger town, thanks to the counterclaim and how it was handled. Wish they were more active, but the content they've given has been quite solid.

Majiffy:

Right behind Nacho in towniness, Orcinus's attitude this game was incredibly genuine and I feel it was town. Majiffy's stances this game have been well-reasoned and well-handled, and he bleeds a town mindset.

ArcAngel9:

A bit of a weaker townread, but this seems to be the town-AA9 I know.

Which leaves Jake, HD, and 2.

Squared:

Wish I had more time to talk about it (down to less than ten minutes as it is), but basically, though their early play seemed strong, it's the kind of thing which sorta is, well...scum establishing a strong start, and then coasting to the finish, if that makes sense. They got in, established towncred, and since then have--in essence--mainly been dicking around. (That seems to be the best term for it.) They've taken a stance which is easy to push, since Nacho was absent and I've been absent. Basically, they've been pushing the weaker players in the game. (Yes, I know, Nacho's not normally a weak player. But I'm talking comparatively. Compared to the other players at the time, Nacho was among the weakest. As soon as he went and became Nacho, though, their attack on him lessened, and in his place was another of the weaker players. Forget which; mighta been Jake, but you get the point.)

Human Destroyer:

Basically, his reads seem exactly what I'd expect from a scum-him. He's taking a mindset which seems to show that he's scum with insider knowledge, and his overall stance this game has felt bad. (Again, wish this was more detailed, but I'm almost down to five minutes left, meaning not much time to type. )

Jake:

As I said, I felt his entrance was scummy (kinda the reverse of 2 in that way), but I've seen a strong indication of potential (or even probable) town mindset, in his not-set-in-stone play (his reads HAVE evolved), and that his overall play seems kinda organic. (Arg, I need more time to explain this. This explanation is crap. )

[mastin2]

And I'm basically out of time, butyeah. Strongly, STRONGLY encourage you to lynch HD tomorrow after I flip town. And then 2 on day three.

[mastin2]

And people who know your game say this isn't your town game. What's going on?

The only player in this game with any meta knowledge of me is Nacho. Jake claims he does, yes, but really, he doesn't. And Nacho knows that what I just posted? That's my town self.

I was holding back before Nacho was posting.

When I realized my read on Jake might have been wrong, I held back specifically so that I could wait and see if I was right or not.

Regrettably, I am not as confident as I would like to be, but the pressure on me has forced me to unleash my town self.

Nacho might not have a townread on me now, but he knows that I've held back as town before to unleash a similar storm. (Multiple times, in fact. I fondly remember at least one game where I declared that I was replacing myself, because Mastin-as-a-replacement is FAR more deadly to scum than Mastin-stuck-in-the-game-from-the-beginning.) So as soon as he logs on, you'll have him advocating that this is my town self that he's been waiting for.

I'm working with him. Ideally, we'd work together to lynch HD, but right now, I'd need his help diverting the lynch off of me.

...And now I'm ten minutes late leaving thanks to typing this. >_<

[mastin2]

Arg.
/back on 65.

Will have more time for this game after 2:30, but right now, got less than 10 minutes and that's not enough to read three whole pages.

[mastin2]

Dammit. I should be leaving right now. But given as how I'll be lynched by the time I get back on Monday, this is my only chance to get my opinion in.

[mastin2]

I've been lurking primarily to see how one playerslot would react in my absence:

Two.

I said that Jake could be town under one specific circumstance, and that circumstance was that if 2 was scum in his place. And that's pretty much the consistent picture being painted. Jake's emotion looks genuine and town, much as Orc's did. Plus, 2's posting (particularly the buld half) is incredibly artificial in its structure

^^ nice attempt to derail your lynch and sheep Jake, but I doubt it will work.

- b

Except that I very clearly left a hint. I really shoulda started a QT this game so that I could prove it, but I clearly said well before this and well before I was in danger of being lynched that there was a specific circumstance in which Jake was town. It's right there in my iso, much before I made that post, so attempting to paint it as if it's not there is incredibly scummy-as-hell, another reason I feel your slot is scum. It's the same type of misrep coming from HD which makes him scum.

[mastin2]

Also, the excuse that you were deliberately lurking to see our reaction specifically looks incredible fabricated.

- b

Except I was. I've done this before. I did what I could to contribute, with small questions towards you, but I didn't want to give away that I had the paranoia on you. I'm bad at hiding myself, 'specially when I lack a QT, so I chose to not post, as assurance that I wouldn't give it away.

[mastin2]

his overall play seems kinda organic

What the hell is this even supposed to mean?

- b

As opposed to artificial.

And again. Would explain on HD, but I literally don't have the time; I'm five minutes late and counting.

And this is another misrep by you. Like hell my read on HD is fake. I've made my reasons on HD perfectly clear. Not as much as the wall I was hoping for, but you can see them right there throughout my iso.

[mastin2]

Majiffy: Right behind Nacho in towniness, Orcinus's attitude this game was incredibly genuine and I feel it was town. Majiffy's stances this game have been well-reasoned and well-handled, and he bleeds a town mindset.

His stances has not been well-reasoned and well-handled. He showed some activity and interest first and then slowly declined.

If mastin flips scum, Majiffy is a good candidate for a partner I think.

- b

You just don't care who gets lynched do you?

Which is, again, another reason 2 is scum.

[mastin2]

That's L-1.

Do you wish to claim, mastin?

- b

I already did. Not with words, but with actions. If I had some sort of secret weapon, I would have unleashed it the minute I was in danger.

I don't.

And, seriously. This wagon on me is scum-driven. 2's there, HD's there. HD's reason for jumping on is artificial-as-shit, and you make damn sure he dies tomorrow.

[mastin2]

I pm'd the mod myself. If I get modkilled

Lynch mastin/2/syrana

Jake, I'll help you with 2, but you have to trust me that I'm town, here. HD's my #1 scumread, but 2 is my secondary scumread.

[mastin2]

Also, the excuse that you were deliberately lurking to see our reaction specifically looks incredible fabricated.

- b

Except I was. I've done this before. I did what I could to contribute, with small questions towards you, but I didn't want to give away that I had the paranoia on you. I'm bad at hiding myself, 'specially when I lack a QT, so I chose to not post, as assurance that I wouldn't give it away.

I don't buy this.

- b

And that's why you're scum. Because this kind of strategy is

exactly

the kind of stunt I pull off as town, when I'm not trying to self-destruct.

The scumtell would have been if I showed the paranoia in-thread, self-destructing at a time where we could have been united. If I were scum, I could create any BS'd reads I want and unify the town to lynch anyone I so chose to.

I'm not. I'm town, so I couldn't afford to self-destruct and show the paranoia on you unless I was damn-sure it wasn't just paranoia and that you actually were scum.

[mastin2]

I see mastin still alive..
MASTIN, CLaim please

and can we please end this day, i am tired.

You've already got as much of a claim as you're going to get, AA9.

Now read my posts again. Judge them, tell me they're not town or that they're town. Then judge who I'm pushing and help me lynch them.

HD is scum. 2 is scum. I am not.

You want the day to end, but if you want the day to end in a scum-lynch, then you need to be off of me.

[mastin2]

the mafia QT is quite entertaining, the amount of conversation they had they probably didn't even have it in the game, if mastin had pulled a better play, I would have not suspected him much.

If you read the mafia QT, then you also know that the reason I was less active this game was entirely null with regards to alignment. Every other game of mine had more priority,

especially

my modded game. I knew this game needed my attention, but my other games needed my attention MORE than this game did, hence my inactivity.

Even at the day's end, I was pressed for time. Talking here sacrificed time I had needed to spend elsewhere. You're right, in that had I done that earlier, I was in fact going to be better off, but I physically did not have that capability.

Also, most of my mafia talk was done from home. At home, I don't have access to MS.net, but DO have access to quicktopics. Hence, the increase in activity. It's a little oddity of me that is quite personal, so that's as much detail as I'll go into, but needless to say, a good 75% of my QT posts (in ALL my QTs across ALL my games for the last few years) have been done entirely from home. It's when I have more time to type, more time to think, and generally, more time to focus myself productively. There's a reason Mindreader Mafia is the crowning achievement in my scum play; that reason is because I was in my element, BIG TIME. Quicktopics are my thing. I'm the master of them. Using them as scum (half of my scum victories are a direct result of daytalk), and harvesting them as town.

And this is why Jake's meta tell on me was bullshit. I'm readable as scum, yes. But not from activity. Had I been town this game, the neglect I showed this game would have been the same, if not greater. Not because of lack of interest, mind you. I wanted to play, I knew I wanted to play, this game had an awesome playerlist and an awesome mod. And that's one of the main reasons I didn't replace out. But quite frankly, the negligence I had towards this game meant that if I were any other person, I would have been replaced.

As it was, I dodged replacement by being good friends with AP, being able to communicate my lack of access to AP, and AP himself having a lack of access for some amount of time. If any of those were absent, my slot would have been replaced, multiple times as it turns out. (There are more than enough gaps in activity for me to have been prodded the required number of times. Not to mention, how long it took me to actually pick up my scum role PM.)

In-thread, my slot was dead because I simply never put aside the time for it, because I was too preoccupied elsewhere. If it were a conscious choice, that'd be a tell. That'd be a decision I made, as a player, to lurk. It wasn't, though. It was a decision I made, as a person without a role PM, separate from alignment, that this game would be the one I'd get around to when capable of doing so.

Was it bad, yes. Was it the right choice, for this game heck no it wasn't. But a scumtell, it was not.

[mastin2]

Also, for the record, my switch into having 2 as scum was not me BS'ing. It wasn't, so to speak, me pulling something from my ass. That really

was

my plan. Same for the Nacho situation. As you can see by the comment in the scum QT, I was intentionally waiting on my activity for Nacho to come post. Strategic lurking, but strategic lurking I would have done as town as well. (I wait for reactions as town all the time. It's a fact that is not often observed, but clearly present in a LOT of my games. I do it almost every single game, in fact. Generally, you see me posting every day except weekdays, right? Well, ANY day where I DON'T post is a day where I'm reading the thread, but choosing not to post, because I'm waiting for something. This is something I do as town quite frankly more often than I do as scum, honestly, and this game it was done twice. First for Nacho, then for 2.)

The problem came in, when the strategic lurking during a time I

could

have been posted, inconveniently overlapped with times where I

should

have posted, but couldn't due to time constraints. Basically, during a time where I had the time, I didn't use it (and intentionally so, waiting for what I-as-town needed), whereas when I needed to post, I didn't have the time to do so.

[mastin2]

At home, I don't have access to MS.net, but DO have access to quicktopics.

How is this oO

It's a little oddity of me that

is quite personal

, so that's as much detail as I'll go into.

[mastin2]

LOL, Use Proxy sites...
and access MS.net through it

Already tried.

Worked for a while, doesn't work anymore. Trust me.