Micro 234 - VisCon: Sacrifice [Game Over]

[Lincolm]

Vote : TNE

[Lincolm]

Here, I'll start the wagon:

VOTE: Brian Skies

Nailed it.

We should start a wagon

What for ?

VOTE: Skelda

We should all make sure we don't put anyone at L-1 unless ready though. They WILL self hammer. If they didn't they'd be playing again there wincon.

They will hammer when they already self-vote? OK...

Also, self-hammer is anti-town play. I won't believe they are town.

[Lincolm]

My vote candidate today: TNE, JS, JW.

I won't vote anyone else.

[Lincolm]

Seems like a sort of "Point out the obvious people" tactic, why is that?

So, you're obvious "town" people? How so? Tell me.

Basically, I only have townread in TNE, not in the JS and JW, but personally I don't care, I still want to vote them because of "something" that I can trust in the future.

[Lincolm]

You misread, obvious people is different to the obvious TOWN people.

And the fact that you haven't town read me, but are going to vote me because of "something" i think that's kinda a shit excuse.

Then what do you mean by "obvious people" in there?

How that is a shit excuse? Sure sure, I don't want to explain it. Do you even try to understand it?

[Lincolm]

Or maybe because three of you started the good discussion, isn't it?

Yes, that is one of my reason put you guys in my vote candidate. I said my vote candidate, not read.

Actually, I prefer this one right now.

Vote : JS

[Lincolm]

From what?

From his posts , of course. What do you think about his post?

It's lincolm being lincolm. (No offense bro)

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@JS : What do you think about my vote on you right now?

[Lincolm]

I think its weird, personally.

Why you didn't ask it if it is weird?

And yeah, I can see the towniness in TNE's posts.

Actually... How is my answer satisfying you?

Remember, we can always send someone less useful. Like me.

You're joking, right?

I bet he isn't. As if 3 townies go to safehouse together, it is already win for us. So... he is claiming he is town.

As the game go, I agree this will go to the least towny in day 3. If our reads are right, of course...

[Lincolm]

There is 6 towns and 2 scums. Someone who get hammered gives 4 best town read and the problem is resolved.

Tomorrow will be 4 towns and 2 scums / 5 towns and 1 scum. Someone who get hammered gives 2 best town and the problem is resolved again.

@JW : Actually, when you asked about "un-backing read", I only answer with this :

Or maybe because three of you started the good discussion, isn't it?

What do you think about my answer?

P-Edit : I like Gaiden's suggestion.

[Lincolm]

I don't think everyone in this thread can read people...

I think we are ready to send him into the safehouse, any objections?

Whatever. I object. You won't like hear my opinion anyway.

but once again, i still see no logic behind any of these "never goin to safehouse claims." Anyone care to explain or will this be a "gut tells me so" game?

They are just too scummy or too weak in 3P LyLo.

[Lincolm]

Out with your opinion, it gives info to the town.

What's your point by doing this? You said it give information to scums.

I can see from your view that you're want to look information from me if you're right about your read, but the fact that I'm the one who only know, it still give information to scums.

After all, most people here have said i'm never goin to safe house.

I never said it.

[Lincolm]

Also

Gaiden

may be unkillable, but i think any scum that would have killed Gaiden, is a fucking retard.

Isn't it that 4 person in there in your list, am I right? There is no point to tell us 4 PEOPLE IN SCUM LIST in this setup, scum.

[Lincolm]

Lincoln's post about not wanting to explain his objection on JW is enough info for me.

Oh look, sheeper of scum. Don't care. Just see when I flip in the end of day 3.

[Lincolm]

Dude, if you don't want him in there, explain why. If you don't, then he's going in there.

First, you said I'm scum. Then why you would trust my words? What's the point, seriously? It is wasting time.

I don't care if you think I'm scum, I just need to point that Jason is scum and send 2 more townies, and problem is solved.

The problem is, you guys are sheeping Jason everytime and believe "Jason is town". There is nothing I can do in here. You guys didn't even try to read.

You claim I don't want to explain why I object, so I'm scum, but you trust everyone who just sheeping Jason is town by no reason, so they are town. Seriously? OK bro.

[Lincolm]

And why haven't you been pushing me to not get into the safehouse when i could have been self hammering?

Seriously this is just really poor.

You're claiming self-hammering is not pro-town, and now you ask it? Seriously?

Then if it is poor, I just let it go? Hmmm... No.

[Lincolm]

You left out the part that actually makes me scum, you know, like a case, that's totally non existant right now, you know that thing that convinces people not to vote me into the safe house.

Well, you don't make the case too, am I right? To be honest, I don't want to convince those sheeper of you. It is wasting time.

[Lincolm]

I was at L-1 and could have selfhammered myself into the safehouse, you as town should be avoiding giving me as your scum read any chance to do so.

Because that's make you look more pro-town, am I right? Get with it. I know you more experienced that me.

You don't want to convince them cause your lazy scum?

Noted.

So you don't want to convince them, why we're probably scum too, right? What am I doing right now?

Do I need to bold this part so everyone can noted it? No I guess.

[Lincolm]

@Everyone, QUIT BEING LAZY STUPID FUCKS, THIS GAME ISN'T ONLY ABOUT SEEMING TOWN, IT'S ABOUT FINDING TOWN.

No point in this. Just trying to look pro-town after the game stalled. He is lazy also.

Hey Jason. What are your townreads?

Also,

@mod, could we get a deadline extension due to the forum crash?

I'm okay with a town vote on Banaki.

Honestly i'd say your town (Duh ), TNE is a slight gut town, Skelda though trying is null leaning scum.

JS is null with a slight (like miniscule) town read.

Lincolm i don't even know, but honestly that doesn't surprise me.

Banakai is null/slightly scum.

SX seems slightly scummy as well.

And Brian seems like he should have only 1 vote on him, in fact i don't even think he deserves his own vote (his a null read, but really doesn't deserve a fucking townie vote.)

Shitty read asdfasdfdsf...

P.S. Relying on the rule can ONLY benefit scum, and increase their chance of getting members into the safe house.

Trying to appear town more. Even by randomness, it still random and not benefits for scum. And no way people agree with randomness.

And the fact that you haven't town read me, but are going to vote me because of "something" i think that's kinda a shit excuse.

I understand the reasoning, i'm not as dense as i seem.

OK, he understand it. Why need to ask?

The fact is, those are easy reads, especially as un-backed as they are.

OK, so he asked backed read. He didn't do it also. Fine.

Just be aware i'm not planning on self voting, less info is given if i do, so don't expect that to happen.

I like this from first, but not now. This is exaggeration.

Before everyone hammers me into the safehouse, i will put out a reads analysis and shit, but remember guys we have 4 days, please don't waste them by putting me in early, and focus on finding town 2/3

OK, find town.

It's against my wincon, my wincon is to assure that town wins, if i don't have reads by D4 it's possible that i will lose, and thus me not self voting is actually pro-win condition.

Sure sure, he said this. Remember what he said 10 minutes ago?

I'd also put a Gaiden partner in {Banakai, Lincolm, TheNewEarth}

The problem is, I don't trust Skelda and Brian Skies as town and how they are even WORTH IT in safehouse if it goes to 3P LyLo. Seems a short of list they should not go to 3P LyLo for me.

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Go. Your turn.

[Lincolm]

You've been asked for a case, people understand why the

people

i said look scummy, THERE'S A FUCKING DIFFERENCE.

Or maybe it just BladEagle ? GET THE FACT!

[Lincolm]

I don't need to appear pro-town if i'm in the safehouse, especially considering an assumed scum partner can get in and win us the game, but we still have the point, YOU WEREN'T TRYING TO STOP ME GETTING INTO THE SAFEHOUSE.

Yes yes you need to appear pro-town because YOU'RE SCUM!

The problem is, you guys are sheeping Jason everytime and believe "Jason is town". There is nothing I can do in here. You guys didn't even try to read.

^See this.

You've been asked for a case, people understand why the

people

i said look scummy, THERE'S A FUCKING DIFFERENCE.

Or maybe it just BladEagle ? GET THE FACT!

[Lincolm]

Waiting on Lincolm, but it seems we have 4 people wanting to send him there, I want to hear Lincolm's opinion.

What are you waiting for?

There is no point for another discussion about the others. If Brian is not scum, then he will ended with get killed to night.

I prefer hear from the other why they read Brian as town, then we can go.

[Lincolm]

also you lincolm who won't tell us

Seriously more talk has WAY more scum advantage in this game

Okay, if Lincolm doesn't want to cooperate, that's fine.

*shrug*

Your points prove me I'm right already.

[Lincolm]

So basically were just waiting for lincolm here

There is no point for another discussion about the others. If Brian is not scum, then he will ended with get killed to night.

I prefer hear from the other why they read Brian as town, then we can go.

?

I feel like if anyone resents him being lynched they should speak up now before we kill him.

?

[Lincolm]

Vote : Brian

Seriously, can we stop sheeping in day 3 we, explain why this guy is town, and I would like to vote faster.

[Lincolm]

Skelda is the last scum with Jason.

Jason is scum. Totally trying to appear like pro-town by did all kind things, leaded all the talk, without trying to find any single town but giving scum read in most people without justified it. His all read are bullshit and totally artificial. (See all of my case in day 1 to the case) (And the most terrible, town were sheeping him. WTF?)

Remind this when this go to 3P LyLo.

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I like to vote whoever in here, except myself and Skelda. After I flip as town, lynch that Jason.

[Lincolm]

Same with lincolm

I'm sheeping? When I'm sheeping?

[Lincolm]

Gaiden, TNE, and JS never sheeping. I never sheeping myself, but if you said yes, then whatever, it is weird to the maximum.

[Lincolm]

4. Don't give me that you didn't sheep.

No, I didn't. When ?

[Lincolm]

During both sends to the safehouse you just basically agreed with others. We all have, there has been almost no dissent to anything this game because why would anyone dislike being sent to the safehouse? Your vote may not have been on the person who was ultimately lynched Day 1, but you still basically sheeped.

I don't understand your interpretation in "sheeping".

The first day, you guys already sheeping (I don't know, basically it was from my vote candidates ) and wouldn't hear any words of me by any circumstances as I predict, basically I was "yeah screw it we still can win with send 2 more towns and lynch him after that". How this is sheeping?

The second day, you guys already forcing to send "the towniest person" without any discussion, therefor, there was no point about sending or discussing about the other. How this is sheeping again?

To be honest, I don't want to go to safehouse even a single tiny bit.

I'm scum because I sheep?

He said because you're never sheeping.

[Lincolm]

I'm sure Skelda is the last scum.

Vote : TNE

[Lincolm]

Voting for your partner is certainly predictable.

Certainly your plan is predictable lol

Clearly you should all vote me. After all, I'm the most hated person here. So woo no alliances.

I don't think you will win argument with Jason in LyLo, so.

[Lincolm]

So you don't say it is a bad idea. Also, you have never seen me seriously argue.

Certainly.

[Lincolm]

Look, I don't care to go to safehouse. I can guarantee that I will flip as town tomorrow so you can lynch Jason tomorrow and I don't trust that Jason and Skelda are town even a single bit.

I rather to have TNE go to safehouse rather than Gaiden or Banakai because TNE is the most experienced rather than the other 2. Seeing case with Banakai, I don't see any case that scummy, by ignoring and not full of content doesn't mean scummy, and I must agree that TNE have better argument along this game. So, I rather have TNE go to safehouse.

I don't want to send myself. My flip will help the case on Jason because I'm pretty sure he is scum. I'm just terrible in 3P LyLo, my 2 recent games was ended in LyLo where I was in LyLo and I'm confirmed as town and I chose the wrong person. So, I rather not to throw the game again.

Gaiden, I will like to vote you if just once, you want to show yourself your argument ability and it is better rather than Banakai and TNE.

I won't vote Skelda, he is scum.

[Lincolm]

Gaiden, vote for TNE please, so TNE can go.

[Lincolm]

Yeah, random is better, heh? No. Please vote TNE.

[Lincolm]

I agree that town have chance, but you have chance also. And it is immediately win for you also. So, no.

[Lincolm]

Random is random from this 5 person. Your buddy already in there.

[Lincolm]

Forget it. I checked the whole rules and there is none in there, and I forget to checked the PM.

Yeah, I can get with random, but you still can self-vote, so no.

[Lincolm]

Dunno I should happy or not I get in here... My case on Jason on day 1, it is basically because he was trying very hard to appear as town, though I need to consider this again now...

So, some questions :

@Both :

- I don't get how Gaiden is scummy, but I get why he shouldn't go to 3P LyLo. Explain?
- Why both me and TNE are scum together or hard to find as town together in day 3?

@Jason :

- I thought you don't want Banakai to get in day 1?

I'd also put a Gaiden partner in {Banakai, Lincolm, TheNewEarth}

Then you said that in safehouse you didn't want me, Gaiden, and Skelda to get in. Why?
- In day 1, you said I'm scummy, still happen in day 2 and 3. What happen with that case?

@Brian :

- You said

I've already decided Gaiden, banakai, and Skelda won't get my vote today.

Why you didn't want Banakai get your vote in day 1?
- Read the safehouse in day 3, I don't get who you think as scumteam or who you prefer to go to safehouse. Explain?

@Mod

: Is that rule to not quote the QT to gamethread still work now?

[Lincolm]

To be honest I'm considering very much in both of you. I don't know to vote whom, but I'm leaning Jason.

As Jason already answer my question, so this what I consider on Jason :

I thought that in this setup, by not telling my reads or discussing who is town / scum or how to play the setup would not help scum. For that, I thought in day 1 Jason very plausible as scum as he threw many reads to generate a lot of discussion and appeared as town. But looked safehouse, I found Jason is very open-minded, which I think this is his meta.

I don't get why Banakai wanted to hammer Jason that fast and prefer Jason rather than Jacob. If Jason is his scumpartner, no more question though. Other side it looked like he sheep the other town also.

I'm voting him because he's fricken townlike

This is the reason why Banakai voted Jason. I hate this is very not explained rather than when Banakai voted Brian, but the other town also didn't explain also even though Jason already in safehouse. Maybe really sheeping.

It seems that in safehouse Jason really wanted to Banakai to get in. Well, Banakai voted himself 2 hours before deadline. If I'm scum I would pokerface rather than rant it, which I think it is almost likely impossible as scum do this. Or maybe he thought Gaiden wouldn't vote me.

This is what I thought for Jason.

[Lincolm]

Just that... I'm here. Reading.

[Lincolm]

I'm very sorry to town.

Vote : Brian

[Lincolm]

I'm really sorry for town. I can hammer that time, you know, when I post I was reading (I was really reading), but to be honest, hammering and scum alignment are.... not for me....

Sorry for wasting both of you guys time. I'm sorry again for town. Especially to TNE.

To be honest, whatever my alignment, I wouldn't say TNE is scum. (And tbh, I know what usually I use AtE as town but not as scum, but I don't think I use AtE in the game)

Again sorry.