Micro 279: Uncommon Mafia - OVER

[Alduskkel]

lol site was down...

/confirm

[Alduskkel]

Vote: Bicephalous Bob

are we really going to have to stare at that avatar for the whole game?

[Alduskkel]

I wasn't holding up the game, it could start at 5/9 confirmed.

[Alduskkel]

I believe that's the great Steve Martin in the image.

Not sure whether to vote Bert or not. Bob vote still seems good.

[Alduskkel]

Well, we could off him now, or we could see if he reveals his scumpartner(s).

pedit: lol

[Alduskkel]

it's not even L-1

[Alduskkel]

yessiree bob

[Alduskkel]

I can tell this game is going to be hilarious

[Alduskkel]

PhD, give me any reads you might have on implosion and yessiree.

[Alduskkel]

I'd agree with you on yessiree.

implosion's kind of more nullish for me. Post 27's weirding me out, I don't really know what he's getting at there.

You seem to have sort of a scumread on implosion -- is Bert still scummier than him?

[Alduskkel]

implosion's kind of more nullish for me. Post 27's weirding me out, I don't really know what he's getting at there.

I don't like this line. What are you trying to say? Am I null? Or "nullish?" Or "kind of more nullish?" What's the point of calling me "kind of more nullish" rather than simply "null?"

I believe that you have enough content at this point that it is possible to formulate a read on you, however the difficulty is in interpreting that content. Contrast this with players who are null because of a lack of content.

The phrase "kind of" in my post is just sloppy writing.

Why don't you explain your thought process behind post 27?

are you telling yessirree to bob or are you telling me to yessirree

Yes.

Alduskkel

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Regarding both Bob and Bert, please explain why you think they're vote-worthy at this point.

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Why does Implosion's #27 weird you out?

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Reads on PhDScar?

1. Bert because bandwagons are good and because he hasn't checked in yet, so a dissolution of his bandwagon

now

would yield less information. Bob because seriously look at that avatar, it's horrifying.
2. It's a confusing statement.
3. Town -- posts 39 and 41 were good responses.

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Anyone not voting right now -- why aren't you voting?

[Alduskkel]

If Bert were to near or be at L-1, what will be your course of action?

Am I on the wagon or off the wagon?

What exactly about his #27 do you find confusing? If you would point it out, I would be more than willing to help try and understand it with you, if it's not too much trouble.

I tend to break things down through intense analysis. Why, please, do you find his two posts to be good responses. The more you can explain your very thoughts and actions in-depth, the more I will be willing to trust you. It's the very nature of the beast, this game.

1. There's no logic to it -- it's just a casual, "well, you can not vote scum if you like." If that makes sense to you as anything other than a joke statement (and I see that implosion has said it is) then feel free to tell me.

2. The responses are genuine. Why are they genuine? Tone. Past that you're not getting any more information out of me. Partly because there isn't much else to it, but mostly because I dislike explaining my townreads unless it becomes very important.

Speaking of tone, I dislike yours. You buddy up to Klick by telling him he's intelligent/smart and so on, and essentially place the burden of proficiency on him. Additionally, you're being excessively ingratiating. "Why, please, ..." "if it's not too much trouble." are examples of that. Bonus points for trying to set up gaining your trust as a goal for me.

Klick and Alduskkel are engaging. That doesn't clear them, but it does prevent inquisitive jihad.

Is this seriously all you're getting from these questions?

Vote: Wake88

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In terms of DarkLightA vs. implosion, I'm thinking DLA looks scummier in the exchange. In particular, due to post 70. The random congratulation for semi-colon usage + the next sentence are completely disjointed tonally (apparently tone is a big thing this game) from the rest of the post which is accusatory. The bolded parts of the quote seem... random? Finally there's an accusation of OMGUS just thrown in at the end.

[Alduskkel]

I guess I'll respond to Wake88? Even though it's borderline pointless now.

Spoiler: Big Quote

If Bert were to near or be at L-1, what will be your course of action?

Am I on the wagon or off the wagon?

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What exactly about his #27 do you find confusing? If you would point it out, I would be more than willing to help try and understand it with you, if it's not too much trouble.

I tend to break things down through intense analysis. Why, please, do you find his two posts to be good responses. The more you can explain your very thoughts and actions in-depth, the more I will be willing to trust you. It's the very nature of the beast, this game.

1. There's no logic to it -- it's just a casual, "well, you can not vote scum if you like." If that makes sense to you as anything other than a joke statement (and I see that implosion has said it is) then feel free to tell me.

2. The responses are genuine. Why are they genuine? Tone. Past that you're not getting any more information out of me

✦2

. Partly because there isn't much else to it, but mostly because I dislike explaining my townreads unless it becomes very important.

Speaking of tone, I dislike yours

✦3

. You buddy up to Klick by telling him he's intelligent/smart and so on, and essentially place the burden of proficiency on him

✦4

. Additionally, you're being excessively ingratiating. "Why, please, ..." "if it's not too much trouble." are examples of that

✦5

. Bonus points for trying to set up gaining your trust as a goal for me

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.

Klick and Alduskkel are engaging. That doesn't clear them, but it does prevent inquisitive jihad.

Is this seriously all you're getting from these questions?

Vote: Wake88

✦7

✦1

Either.

✦2

Why?

✦3

?

✦4

Point it out and walk everyone through it, because that makes no sense.

✦5

You haven't read Mini 1516. What you mistake as ingratiation is actually politeness.

✦6

This makes no sense either.

✦7

So you're voting for a guy you don't understand, who also happens to be contributing quite a bit. Let's go in-depth here.

1. On, I get off. Off, I point out the L-1. Try and gauge reactions.
2. Because I don't like telling the Mafia how to look Town.
3. It's explained.
4. I consider it self-evident. Besides, it's not my job to convince you that you're scum.
5-6. Don't care since you replaced out.
7. Misrepresentation + meaningless concluding sentence.

Alduskkel gets a neutral-to-scum read from me.
I think #22, #29 seem somewhat scummy. He has a careless attitude, but I can't tell whether it's from him not really caring that much as a townie, or from acting like he doesn't care as scum.

His vote on Wake in #76 is highly suspicious IMO, seems to have no ground but a weak OMGUS.

You know, considering that I actually outlined a case, I'd prefer if you weren't just "lol OMGUS."

@Alduskkel: Same caveat as Bicephalous; being ingratiating is now scummy? Have standards of charity and etiquette really sunk that low? Granted, buddying should be scrutinized, but buddying should under almost no circumstances be a primary reason for voting someone; rather, it should confirm a suspicion that is formed on other grounds.

I don't recall Bob doing anything related to this, first of all -- although I could be wrong. Secondly, there's a difference between "polite" and "ingratiating." Also buddying is totally a scumtell, especially when one seems to be doing it to everyone.

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I'd like to know Bob's followup to post 91.

Feels like Christmas killed the momentum this game had. Unfortunate. Makes me want to start wagoning again -- Bert and DLA are fairly good wagons at the moment anyway.

[Alduskkel]

#124 - "Bert and DLA are fairly good wagons at the moment anyway." - Seems to not care about who is lynched as long as someone is. Describing wagons as "fairly good" seems odd.

What would you say instead?

[Alduskkel]

I thought I had 3 votes.

[Alduskkel]

Why are you rolefishing him?

Vote: DarkLightA

If you cry "OMGUS" then I'll be annoyed.

[Alduskkel]

Rolefishing + what I said about you in post 76.

What motivation do you, as Town, have to distinguish (publicly, no less) between yessiree's VT play and his Town PR play?

[Alduskkel]

The only vote on my wagon that makes any sense is DLA's...

[Alduskkel]

...and even then he hasn't addressed my defense, really.

[Alduskkel]

I don't really like Aegor or Bert's most recent posts. Aegor seems to want to frame it as either me or Bert and Bert seems like he's going to claim something reasonably powerful and then try and coast on that. Of course, Aegor's post implies he and Bert aren't scum together, although it's awfully early for such tells.

Bob, my wagon is shitty, and I don't appreciate getting lynched as any alignment (except Jester? never been a Jester though). As for "not pushing my lynches" well, I'm just sort of bored with this game currently because not a lot is happening.

DLA, there isn't much to your case. There's post 92, which I responded to in post 124.

I admit you're right that I haven't responded to 134 in full, yet. I think this is because I thought of my response but first I wanted to prompt you with my question in post 140 first.

Anyway, I said what I said because I think it's a good idea to comment on the major wagons in general.

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I'm just feeling a bit apathetic about this game right now. Yeah, I have suspects, but they don't have any votes on them and Bert's only weakly scummy to me. And yes, I realize that the appropriate response is to try and drum up support for my suspect of choice but it feels like people have just glossed over my cases and thought, "Eh, not for me."


pedit: Really? Deadline nonsense with 4 days left? How the hell are Bob and me a likely team?

[Alduskkel]

Klick, why are you voting me?

[Alduskkel]

Aegor seems to want to frame it as either me or Bert and

Bert seems like he's going to claim something reasonably powerful and then try and coast on that.

You're smearing the meaning of my words. I'm not trying to coast. I have been inactive, and I said I would step it up in a week once holidays end. But, you interpreted it and smeared it as such, which concerns me. It's in my best interest to survive today.

That has nothing to do with "coasting," so where that word came from, I don't know. I already said I haven't put much effort into this game, and it's not coasting - it's the circumstances of holiday season.

Well, maybe if you would actually do something you wouldn't be accused of coasting.

Realistically, it is either you or Bert, or some other person with a case built on him/her. It was just a pragmatic statement. I hate bandwagons that start late since they tend to produce weaker reads and reveal less info about voting patterns than early and slow wagons.

And I don't like it when someone tries to say that there are only two options and I know at least one of the options is bad and there is a reasonable chance the other one is, too. Also what is an AoS? Aegor of Suspicion?

I don't recall Bob doing anything related to this, first of all -- although I could be wrong.

This is ancient, but I never responded. Bob accused Wake of something similar.

Well, yes, clearly, you are saying that Bob accused Wake of something similar. What I wanted to know was where this occurred.

I think we have different thresholds for what constitutes buddying.

And how does that affect your read on me?

[Alduskkel]

From my POV I really want a DLA or Aegor lynch, but I'm not sure how to swing that :/

[Alduskkel]

Bob isn't accusing Wake of buddying in those posts, I don't think.

[Alduskkel]

why isn't aegor the counterwagon

This is a weird question. You want a counterwagon to the wagon that you're on? What?

If I were to vote Aegor right now, what would you do?

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Can't tell if Klick and/or Aegor are scum... would scum avoid claiming/would scum actually request publicly that the deadline NOT be extended significantly? I mean, in Klick's case, if he's scum, then, barring an especially unusual role (unusual even for a game with "uncommon" roles) he should be doing everything to avoid getting lynched Day 1, scum usually don't have the numbers to sustain that in a Micro. In Aegor's case, I usually think of requests for deadline extensions as being an easy way to get a small amount of towncred, so it's weird to essentially see the opposite thing going on.

OTOH, Klick's posts are difficult to understand from a town mindset either (Bob and I are a scumteam... no wait, Bob is scum and trying to make me look bad later!) and I think I've made it quite clear what I think about Aegor.

[Alduskkel]

I wouldn't think scum would avoid claiming, though. That seems like it would decrease their chances of survival.

[Alduskkel]

Mac's posting makes me feel a lot better about the DLA slot.

Vote: Aegor

JOIN US ON THIS GLORIOUS WAGON

[Alduskkel]

I thought you were going to vote with me.

VOTE WITH ME.

[Alduskkel]

I think Aegor is fake claiming, but I can't say why.

[Alduskkel]

That's a little odd considering Greater Idea Mafia (which this game's role PMs are based on, see post 2) contains neither a Firefighter nor an Arsonist.

[Alduskkel]

I can NOT believe you all just turned around and lynched Bert at the last second instead of Aegor.

[Alduskkel]

How was it a "total waste"?

[Alduskkel]

Are you saying Day 1 was a total waste or that all the rapid wagons were a total waste?

[Alduskkel]

I dunno, if you flip scum later then that will say a lot about the people on the Bert wagon.

[Alduskkel]

If you're also Town then there's still some information if Klick is Scum. If all three of you are Town then it was largely pointless, yes. But then we probably have bigger issues than wasting the end of today.

However, I doubt that you and Klick are both Town, so there's that.

[Alduskkel]

If you're practically Vanilla but not called as such then why didn't you claim your real role name?

[Alduskkel]

Difference between whether or not claiming straight Vanilla is a scumtell to me or not.

[Alduskkel]

Can I just say I hate modkills? I dunno, I'm just a little sour about this game right now.

Also I was going to vote Aegor but now I'll have to rethink this.

[Alduskkel]

If a Compulsive Self-Vanillaizer turns Vanilla, then the Vanilla should have the ability to gain abilities unlike a Compulsive Self-Vanillaizer which loses them -- that means that the two roles are, in fact, different. The required role would be Compulsive Self-Self-Self-Self-Self ...(times infinity) -Self-Self-Vanillaizer.

But I digress.

[Alduskkel]

@implosion: Oh, yeah, that's even more complicated, lol.

I, too, would like a claim from Klick.

[Alduskkel]

Wanna see what yessiree says first.

[Alduskkel]

Bob, what the fuck are you doing? Your thought process is completely nonsensical.

[Alduskkel]

Will get to this as soon as I have access to a computer that's not about to have its battery die.

[Alduskkel]

Well this is awkward. I'm the Captain. I had Bob target Klick because Klick was really fucking suspicious and innocents aren't worth shit when we might be up against werewolves or something. I'm pretty skeptical of there actually being Aliens, although the lack of N1 kill is somewhat suspicious.

Idk how Arsonist is supposed to make sense as an Alien role considering Aliens are supposed to only get 1 factional kill. Imagine having a Mafia Vigilante who can use their action in addition to the factional kill.

Still, Bob's probably Town? Definitely Town if there are Aliens, if there aren't then who the fuck even knows.

[Alduskkel]

But you still said the Captain was probably an Alien...?

[Alduskkel]

Aldi, what did you know about my role before my claim?

I knew you had to follow my orders.
I knew that if you targeted yourself you would get No Result (which makes your Millerness weird but I think that's a remnant of the Conspiracy Theorist role).
I knew that you investigated for Aliens.

That's it.

[Alduskkel]

By the way, you're currently targeted onto PhDScar. I can change that any time before the hammer, and I can also say stuff like "if PhDScar is lynched then investigate X instead."

[Alduskkel]

The only thing that doesn't sit right with me is the "firefighter isn't a greater idea role" comment. Captain doesn't even make sense as a greater idea role. Why did you say that?

Conspiracy Theorist and Aliens are in Greater Idea, I just derped and forgot that Captain wasn't.

Honestly, I'm expecting 7-2 or 6-2-1. Scum may or may not be Aliens, if there's a third party it probably is an Arsonist.

[Alduskkel]

I kind of want yessiree to full claim so that we can get a better idea of whether or not Klick's claim is legitimate. The less powerful yessiree is the more I'm inclined to disbelieve Klick's claim because Klick is basically claiming Miller except for Trackers/Watchers/whatever instead of Cops. If yessiree's role is powerful enough to *warrant* a role to reduce its power, then maybe I'll think about believing Klick. If it's something lame then Klick is probably lying.

[Alduskkel]

This is stupid.

Vote: Klick

[Alduskkel]

Quick serra, tell me what your role is.

[Alduskkel]

And don't iso your damn predecessor.

[Alduskkel]

I'm a Town Captain. And I can't be lying about my role unless Bob is ALSO lying or there is another Captain who, for some reason, isn't counterclaiming.

What's your response to me saying that yessiree's role is too weak to warrant a Miller-type (your role) for it?

[Alduskkel]

yessiree, you need to ask the Mod what result you would get if you targeted a Compulsive Self-Vanillaizer. If the result is "Misc" then holy shit is that bad.

serra, I knew precisely what Bob's action did, just not who was doing the action. I had him target Klick because getting a guilty would say so much more than getting an innocent.

We have a serious problem here, and that's that both Arsonists and Aliens could reasonably be expected to not kill N1. Arsonists because they have to douse first, Aliens because they could save their kill. Therefore we don't know if we have Aliens, Arsonists, or both.

[Alduskkel]

Aldi what made you think the captain was an alien? that doesn't really make sense to me and it's what's confusing me most about your role.

Tell me where I said this.

[Alduskkel]

Well we've got two days and so far I've seen no reason why I should be voting Mac while I have every reason to believe that Klick/serra is just straight up an Arsonist. You guys do realize that Klick got really coy about claiming Day 1 when he was essentially a MILLER, right? Who even does that?

If I were Town, I would have just straight off claimed Compulsive Visitor and attempted to town it up from there and draw the NK that way.

[Alduskkel]

That last line should be "If I were Town and a Compulsive Visitor..." or "If I were Klick and I were Town..." lol

[Alduskkel]

You know what else Klick's claim did? Get him targeted by exactly the role that he is designed to fool. Tell me how that is pro-town.

I don't know who you're referring to when you say "infinity's claim."

I also don't understand why Mac is scum.

[Alduskkel]

Because serra's scum.

I think we have 2 Arsonists vs. Follower/Firefighter, like a weird as hell 2 Mafia vs. Cop/Doc. That makes the Alien roles red herrings/named townies (whatever you think about my alignment, I think you will grant that Bob is very likely to be Town based on his role if not his play).

[Alduskkel]

Why the fuck should I believe there are actually aliens in this setup?

[Alduskkel]

Well, it could be werewolf poisoners or something I guess.

[Alduskkel]

Are you scum?

[Alduskkel]

No, but I might be trolling.

[Alduskkel]

I guarantee I wasn't trolling in 483.

[Alduskkel]

I'll grant you that.

[Alduskkel]

Why is an Arsonist scum team imbalanced?

[Alduskkel]

Let's crunch numbers here. Assume 7 Town vs. 2 Arsonists, ignore PRs, worst case scenario where Town always mislynches.

D1: 7-2 at start
N1: 6-2 at start
D2: 6-2 1 doused at start
N2: 5-2 1 doused at start
D3: 5-2 2 doused at start
N3: 4-2 ignite to 2-2 scum win

Ignition on N2 yields 4-2 which is still winnable.

D3 scum lynch yields 5-1 ignition leads to 2 dead causing D4 to be 3-1.

Again, I'm even ignoring Town PRs.

Your move serra. I say 7 Town vs. 2 Arsonists allows for at least 3 mislynches which is normal for 9p.

[Alduskkel]

I'll be on at deadline.

Sending off the PM to have Mac targeted now.

[Alduskkel]

So, err... where do we go from here?

[Alduskkel]

were you trolling?

Depends on which post you're asking about.

[Alduskkel]

Feel free to reread it.

[Alduskkel]

How can you FoS Bob if you've only read up to PhD's first post?

I mean that's like the most useless input ever.

[Alduskkel]

Yeah, claim.

Also, Bob, do you still want to be targeting Mac?

[Alduskkel]

[Alduskkel]

This is so stupid. First of all, Bob asked me to have him target Mac, so why would I do anything other than that?

Second of all, two no kills in a row still says "Arsonists" to me.

Third of all, great work voting instantly in mylo.

[Alduskkel]

I just did what Bob asked me to do. Plus, a lot of people were suspecting Mac.

Why would aliens kill last night? I don't know, maybe to get rid of the person who's INVESTIGATING FOR ALIENS? Use your damn head here.

And yes, I think double Arsonist is most likely. If we had Aliens then Bob should have been dead by now (unless he's an Alien, but that seems unlikely). At this point any other type of scum is absurd as well.

[Alduskkel]

So you tacitly agree that Bob's investigation has some significance?

No, I agree that Bob's investigation has significance given the premise that there are Aliens.

Actually, I think you screwed up in trying to make your theory consistent. If you truly believe we're not dealing with aliens, why would Bob's role be at all alignment indicative?

Are trying to tell me that Bob is an Arsonist?

Anyway, between Mac and yessiree, I think it's pretty obvious that Mac is scum, and yessiree bussing would be... unusual, to say the least. So that means the 2nd Arsonist is you or implosion.

[Alduskkel]

I'm up for lynching serra or Mac today, pretty much.

[Alduskkel]

Feel free to bus each other.

[Alduskkel]

@aldi: what do you think of mac not understanding his own role?

He's either derp scum who doesn't understand how this game's version of the VT works or derp town who doesn't understand how this game's version of the VT works.

Does that help?

[Alduskkel]

Look, talk it over with the mod, and come back to us when you're done.

[Alduskkel]

mac why are you so sure yessirree is telling the truth

Maybe because Mac knows yessiree is town?

[Alduskkel]

@Alduskkel: You seem to have been posting entirely about setup speculation between #390 and #550 (and most of the posts since, too). I understand that you have a 1v1 at the moment, but I'm interested in what your thoughts about the recent play are in terms of old-fashioned scumtells rather than trying to break the setup.

If you made me completely forget about claims, then my reads would be:
Bob: weak leaning town
implosion/you: null
serra: scum
Mac: null
yessiree: town

With claims:
Bob: Town
implosion/you: Scum if serra is Town
serra: Scum if you are Town
Mac: Scum
yessiree: Town

As for the extent of my knowledge regarding Bob's role, I was aware that he was a Conspiracy Theorist (and therefore investigated as Alien), however I was additionally aware that if I made him target himself that he would simply receive No Result.

So right now I'm thinking I'll vote Mac and then figure out which of you and serra is scum. I'm leaning serra based on his play. His first sentence to you in 612 actually seems like buddying to me.

[Alduskkel]

I think the telling thing about serra is how desperately he wants us to believe that there's no way we're dealing with Arsonists (despite this being UNCOMMON Mafia) and that it simply must be Aliens.

[Alduskkel]

How'd you arrive at the conclusion that it's yessiree/CFJ?

[Alduskkel]

I don't get it serra. Why aren't you suspecting me anymore?

[Alduskkel]

Good analysis, but why'd you pick serra over Mac?

[Alduskkel]

Some other questions:
What do you think the scumteam is (Arsonists, Aliens, no factional kill at all...?) If Arsonists, then why did Mac perform the dousing instead of serra?
Why was Mac such a derp with his claim? It almost reads like really really dumb Town (no offense Mac), although yessiree's guilty still close to seals Mac as scum to me.

[Alduskkel]

Is that even a valid theory at this point?

[Alduskkel]

This is tricky. :/

[Alduskkel]

Where's Bob?

[Alduskkel]

why do you read yessirree as town based on his play

He's got that genuine aggressive/confident town feel.

Also he's just, like, not scummy. I mean literally has anyone ever accused yessiree of doing something scummy in this game? I actually think the answer might be no.

[Alduskkel]

So a two man Arsonist team is just completely off the table for you?

[Alduskkel]

In any situation where Mac is town, I don't see town winning anyway. It's almost a 2v2, but there's an outside chance that serra's innocent even with Mac guilty.

Well, there's an outside chance that Mac is town and yessiree is scum, but opens up a huge can of worms that more or less results in a 1v1 between you and me -- serra and Bob being unlikely partners with yessiree as you noted.

Speaking of Bob, I wish he'd get in here and say what he's thinking. I can't tell if his most recent posts are indicative of suspicion of yessiree or if he's just putting yessiree through the gauntlet to double check a town read.

[Alduskkel]

Can we simplify this?

Why is yessiree/Mac scum. Go.

[Alduskkel]

Obligatory.


I will -consider- Mactown.

[Alduskkel]

Bob, what are your thoughts about who's scum?

[Alduskkel]

uhm

[Alduskkel]

So in all seriousness I did look over Day 2 again. First impulse again was that serra was scum, but let's ignore that right now.

I can't decide if Mac didn't know how his role worked because he didn't care (meaning he's VT and just did his own thing) or because he's scum and doesn't even have the role.

I'm tempted to just throw out my screwed up Mac read and go with my yessiree townread.

[Alduskkel]

Oh for heaven's sake. We only have a day left.

Vote: Mac

[Alduskkel]

Personally, I find the lizard gifs funny. Also, it's not indecisive (despite what the gif would have you believe), it's just trying to mimic a dead leaf being moved by the wind.

[Alduskkel]

The clock is ticking. We don't have time for this asinine tomfoolery.

X

[Alduskkel]

asinine tomfoolery.

u scum bro?

No, but you are.

[Alduskkel]

I don't understand.

[Alduskkel]

Who deserves to win? That's the question here.

[Alduskkel]

CFJ, should yessiree's team win, yes or no?

[Alduskkel]

Zzzz. Me and yessiree are Aliens. I refuse to vote him. If there were no third party with a killing ability, we would have won. I guarantee there is an Arsonist.

[Alduskkel]

Arsonist wins if we do repeated No Lynches.

[Alduskkel]

We're going to fucking burn you fools. Wouldn't you rather be anally probed to death?

[Alduskkel]

We're just after your cows, I swear.

[Alduskkel]

Are you the Arsonist?

[Alduskkel]

I thought we had this T_T

How serra won with his goddamn claim is beyond me. Jeez. I'm not mad that he won but I'm upset that we lost.

[Alduskkel]

There's no reason I couldn't have made Bob investigate himself over and over, but I wanted the town cred. I don't feel as though my handling of the Bob situation hurt us, really.

I think the mistake was making it a 1v1 between yessiree and Mac. serra should have been lynched Day 3, not Mac, but that was my and yessiree's fault (we both agreed to the 1v1 on Night 2).

[Alduskkel]

serra's fakeclaim won him the game

You mean Klick's? lol

[Alduskkel]

Err, could Bert cure doused players? Otherwise his role is borderline useless.

This game was uncommon, I'll give it that.

Anyway, yessiree can release the QT if that's okay with him.

[Alduskkel]

Night actions? Mainly want to know who serra doused and in what order they were doused.

Thanks for modding BBmolla. I don't think the setup was too imbalanced, although I might be biased as a non-Town person. And it was definitely more balanced than your average 9p game with 3 scum.

[Alduskkel]

Thanks. I was worried 647/709 might have been overdoing it. It's not my usual approach to being scum.

[Alduskkel]

That's actually scary good, even if one of those dousings was Klick's.