Micro 281 - Masons and Mafia [Game Over]

[RedCoyote]

If no majority has been reached before the deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched. In case of ties, the player who had the most votes before the tie occurred will be lynched.

I'm point this out now so no one can play dumb later. I like this rule because votes carry even more responsibility than they would otherwise.

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Your intention of linking that game was to show that I did know how the game works. You know I know how this game works. You also know that I like to get reactions by pretending to not know how this game works.

How many times have you played it? I don't know how effective that reaction test would've been given the player list. I'm aware of every player here at some level and I know we're all pretty knowledgeable of Mafia.

[RedCoyote]

EBWOP: I'm

pointing

this out now

I have this horrid Bluetooth keyboard that flat out doesn't register keystrokes whenever it feels like it. Additionally, I spilled some beer on it a couple weeks back.

Hopefully Santa will bring me a new one.

[RedCoyote]

The reaction I was trying to goad here was a scum trying to encourage me to claim Mason.

This just doesn't sound realistic to me. I guess it's a better way to start the game than randomly voting though. I can't really think of a scum motivation for doing this either.

This one's pretty wacky and has a ton of WIFOM, so crazy stuff tends to work here, for both sides.

I'll agree to disagree. This setup, while unique and fun sounding, doesn't sound particularly complex. That's what appeals me. I generally don't play in games with too much going on or crazy roles or whatever. Additionally, I'd say that there's no more WIFOM here than in any given game of Mafia. But, like I said, I don't really sense anything sinister in what you're doing or trying to do.

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fun fact: I don't think I've actually played M&M on the forums. so there's that.

Well, neither have I. But like I was telling Klick, I don't really see the potential for scum trying to sneakily advise Masons to claim publically. Logically that doesn't sound like an effective strategy, especially given that I am aware enough of the player list that I consider everyone here able of seeing through something like that.

Do you think I'm giving us too much credit?

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So I think Bert shot Lincolm. Thoughts?

The only person Bert interacted with was you, so I think you should be the odds on favorite. Mala was the least likely person that could've been shot at given that she hadn't posted yet.

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Scuse me, figuring out who he shot has only scum motivation.

How so? You realize there's no night kill, right?

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we could also lynch Klick

it saves me the trouble of deciphering the little bit of interaction on page 1 between him and Bert

That sounds pretty lazy. I have a strong townread of Klick. Who do you think Bert tried to shoot at?

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Venrob and Mala probably town.

3. Malakittens - town prob

How in the heck do you two have Mala townreads? She asked one question that she didn't follow up with and voted IP in the single post she had when y'all two made these posts.

VOTE: Venrob for a weak attempt at pushing Klick. I'm also suspicious of Mala jumping on me without any interaction or explanation.

[RedCoyote]

Err i didnt push klick, and that was not my intention... i was pointing out that what he was doing was dumbassed. Except if i said it was dumbassed and he ended up being scum it would be wrong. So saying it has only scum motivation is "dumbassed if your town, too obvious if your scum".

I'm not sure that I like this answer. That's commonly referred to as anti-town if I am understanding you correctly, but you plainly stated in 26 that what Klick was doing "only has scum motivation". You specifically used the word "only", and that is key to analyzing your intent. Words matter.

The hope is that other scum shoots same person. If you see my previous play of this setup (which was the larger version) 2 of the scum shot the same person. Klick is 99% chance town imo. mainly because he was the focus of page one, and there was a shot.... so since its already been said and its too late to stop, i think klick was probs shot (meaning town).

Could you link me to that game, please? I don't usually research past games, but I think this issue may call for it. Trust but verify, you know?

I see your point that it would be nice for the scum to be able to shoot the same person. I didn't consider that originally.

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Question is, is Lincolm or Venrob scum?

I'm shaking the Venrob tree now. Will get back to you on him. Lincolm needs closer scrutiny as well.

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Lincolm, I want to say at the outset that I'll try my best to read you as fairly as possible given the language barriers. Please don't get mad if there's some interpretation obstacles or I ask you to clarify too much.

What push?

Post 26.

Said probably. Mostly gut. I like the question and the vote, but I don't know why.

Probably = more likely than not that she is town. I don't like that you don't know why. I'm not asking much here. What about her voting IP is likable? My contention is that it's lacking any real authority behind it. Additionally, she didn't seem to do anything with it despite confirming that it wasn't a random vote.

I hope you can answer my questions.

What questions are you referring to here?

[RedCoyote]

What do you think about Venrob, after he called Klick was Bert's target?

Well, I was waiting for his personal response, honestly. I'd rather not get into that detail with you until he has spoken if it's all the same to you.

I'm not sure this is right or not, but I think I already link that game at page 2. Here is the link again.

Thanks. This is it. I want to discuss this with Venrob though. Well, let me rephrase that. I would be happy to discuss this with you, but I want Venrob to tell me more about this game right now.

I didn't know it was random vote.

No, I don't think it was. That's what I am saying. Are you saying you now think it was a random vote or not? As far as the smiling goes, I take it you're suspecting IP a bit then?

[RedCoyote]

Klick can be in my town pile for now.

I'm unsure. Like, I can see Klick being town due to reaction tests, but I can easily see him try and play it as scum.

What changed your mind between these two posts, Mala? Klick hasn't posted since.

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Her reason is not worthy enough for serious vote. I thought it was serious vote, but now I think it is random vote.

What's your criteria for a worthy vote?

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Anyway, the wierdness with that and my rolepm gave me a gambit. I used it, thought it worked, then game ended and i saw it didnt. At game end TheReverend was announced by mod as town mvp for being shot twice as vt. This is what i remember.

Did you help orchestrate that double shot though? What about it stuck out in your mind?

[RedCoyote]

That's actually a good answer. Lincolm is looking pretty town to me.

[RedCoyote]

UNVOTE: Venrob; VOTE: Malakittens

Lincolm has helped me come around on Venrob. I've read over his posts in here a couple of times as well as skimmed that game that was posted. For those that care, that game did indeed feature two scum shooting the same VT. I think it's plausible that Venrob had that in mind when he criticized Klick.

So, where does that leave me? I've good a pretty solid townread on Klick, Lincolm is town sounding, Venrob seems okay now, and IP has been using his vote effectively, I think.

[RedCoyote]

That's L-1, btw.

[RedCoyote]

RVS or no, he voted scum, lol. It just didn't look like a bus to me. If it was, I applaud how subtle it was.

[RedCoyote]

Also red it's obv I'm town so unvote and look elsewhere please?

Hon, you're barking up the wrong tree if you think calling yourself obvtown and pleading me to unvote you will work.

For what it's worth, I'm sorry you're scummy.

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Can anyone elaborate why you guys want to lynch Mala?

You still haven't voted yet? I explained my rationale for choosing Mala, do you not agree?

If IP is scum, it does a RVS bus.

...obviously.

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also him addressing Klick, post 12, comes off as him defending Bert

*shrug*

I think this is alignment neutral. I'd say the exact same thing again. I just don't see how what Klick was proposing could be particularly effective.

[RedCoyote]

Oh, wait, as I understand it, scum has unlimited shots (well, limited a two, I guess). The goons are only one-shot?

Venrob, I made it clear that I got townreads off of everyone except Mala. I will recap my reasons though:

• Mala's voting me without any sort of prior suspicion or interaction with me.
  
• Mala's position on Klick seems manufactured. See 45 and 58 in order. Klick never posted in between these two posts.
  
• Her latest post doesn't sit right with me. I don't like it when people call themselves "obvtown" in a non-sarcastic way. Also, now that she's claimed, we know she's not a Mason. That should necessarily make her a better lynch target regardless.

[RedCoyote]

EBWOP: limited

at

two

[RedCoyote]

I'm going to hold firm despite my current perdicament and ask that Klick and IP rejoin the Mala wagon.

I'm assuming Klick is just wanting to vote for the biggest bandwagon and that he doesn't really care if he hits scum at this point. He's looking ahead and taking the mindset that, if RC/Mala is scum, town wins, if not, then we can just deal with that tomorrow.

IP has logical reasons for suspecting me. They're misguided, of course, but he's playing like town. I understand where he's coming from.

Lincolm is the only player that I don't really understand. This is his first vote and he never showed any suspicion toward me.

Venrob, I don't think Mala has checked in, but who is your biggest suspect right now?

[RedCoyote]

EBWOP: my current

predicament

[RedCoyote]

Ugh.

Didn't see any reason for Mala/Venrob to hold off on lynching me much longer, so I went for it. I really thought I had the Mala/Lincolm pinned as the Masons.

I was very saddened that Bert shot so early. I thought that was very careless of him.

I enjoy this setup though and would play it again. Hopefully not with Bert as my partner though.

Thanks for Moderating, Wisdom. Good job to the town. You all played pretty solidly, I think. gg all.