Micro 279: Uncommon Mafia - OVER

[Mac]

Hey guys! my reading will begin and finish tomorrow, hopefully.

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

NOW I'm catching up. Thoughts incoming.

[Mac]

Reading through I'm thinking yesiree and implosion are town. yesiree is gut but he looks pretty relaxed and generally like he's got nothing to hide. implosion is town for his trajectory wrt to his read on my predecessor on page 6/7, it's gone from my memory already but he seemed like he eventually had an understanding of where DLA was coming from and it looked like it came from a town-realising-they-were-mistaken mindset.

Aegor could be scum: he's reads list doesn't particularly stand out as anything other than making it to look like he's doing something and his reads themselves are very meh - they don't stick out (scummy, nullish, townish) and he seems to be afraid of taking strong stances. The fact that this list came after Bert asked if he was going to do anything else makes me even more suspicious.

This feels like scum caught for the wrong reasons, or something similar - he implicitly has no issue with being voted (even though this may not be true), only with the fact that the person who was being sheeped is the person who gave no reasoning.

no it doesn't, in my opinion. I think he's got quite a valid point - DLA did give reason to suspect Klick, yet PhD followed Bob. This makes me feel Klick is town because he doesn't give an issue with the vote but the way PhD followed Bob onto the wagon < that's hunting on the wagon, if he's town.

Bob's posting hasn't been great, including that Aegor counterwagon post which is just bizarre. Bert's jump onto Bob is poor but I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative or just pure lazy.

Vote: Aegor

I think one of {PhD/Bob} is scum for the jump onto Klick and I feel it's probably PhD - if Bob is town, PhD just linked himself nicely as scum to him with the Klick hop.

I think Klick is town. I think implosion is town. I think yessiree is town.

[Mac]

In that case, VOTE: Klick.

Sooo you waited for my thoughts only to ignore them?

[Mac]

In that case, VOTE: Klick.

Sooo you waited for my thoughts only to ignore them?

I fail to see anything in your post that requires my response. Would you like me to vote myself? If not, then what did I ignore?

I would be willing to lynch any of Klick/Bert/Bob today. But you are correct, I should have just hammered last night.

But I never intended to make you respond to anything - you wanted to know my thoughts. I have given them. What do you think of my thoughts?

Unless you're scum. Then you can vote yourself!

[Mac]

Still a day to go. We don't have to compromise.

[Mac]

Why is it better?

Also, Aegor, your role pm says vanilla town?

[Mac]

Nursing a hangover but fuck modkills. Sorry for destroying what appears to be a Klickscum lynch if what I'm seeing is correct? Either way, Klick should claim. In his next post.

[Mac]

I'm willing to hammer soon. Anyone got anything left to say?

[Mac]

Still waiting for Klick's reads. tick tock..

[Mac]

Yo I'm here.

I still don't think I buy Klick's claim mainly because we have all these alien searching roles, captain, firefighter - compulsive visitor just sounds a bit lame really. otherwise I need to read up a bit more so that will come tomorrow

[Mac]

I'm a compulsive self vanillaizer or whatever it is. That's my claim.

V/LA til monday

[Mac]

Aldi what made you think the captain was an alien? that doesn't really make sense to me and it's what's confusing me most about your role.

[Mac]

I am still thinking serra is an arsonist. Compulsive visitor is the type of role I've thought of fakeclaiming as scum to avoid being caught - and with yessiree being vague early on, it looks like Klick thought he had been tracked and panicked. Compulsive Visitor just doesn't fit with these roles.

[Mac]

No wait, I meant Bob. Sorry Ald

[Mac]

Vote: Serra

[Mac]

You realise klick claimed before yessiree revealed the nature of his role, right? How the hell would klick have known to claim something that would come up as "misc" for follower if he didn't know yessiree was a follower? Visitor isn't even on the list of Greater Idea roles. With tracker/watcher generally more common than follower, you're presuming some serious luck from klick in claiming something that fit yessiree's result.

Yeah, I'm well aware. but yessiree was quite vague in his night actions, other than possibly rolecop which wouldn't work.

[Mac]

serra you've said you're fairly sure I'm the arsonist and it's suicide for town to let me live: so why the hell are you votinh PhD?

[Mac]

V/LA til Friday

[Mac]

Why? Vanillaizing must come under misc because that's exactly what I am, meaning your role is effectively red herring. Or you're fake-claiming scum. You can only confirm Aldi as an investigator pretty much.

If yessiree is town then serra is sealed as scum I think, 100%. There is scum between those two - no way town have two roles in order to provide confusion.

[Mac]

Lol no, compulsive means you'd have turned yourself vanilla N1, so would not have had an ability to use N2.

I think you'll find compulsive means I have to use my ability each night. Nice try though.

[Mac]

I'm not fucking derp at all, my role CLEARLY states my role is used every night.

[Mac]

I'm seriously not seeing what I'm not comprehending here.

[Mac]

Well we have an issue, because I'm still a vanillaizer.

[Mac]

Have asked.

[Mac]

Well we have an issue, because I'm still a vanillaizer.

[Mac]

What are you asking?

There's evidently something off somewhere because I performed no action of my own accord.

[Mac]

Yes serra, I now know that. But I am a vanillaizer trying to work out why I'm "misc" when I did nothing last night.

[Mac]

I have entertained the possibility of yessiree lying. By stating that there is one scum between yessiree and serra.

[Mac]

I apologise for being a total fucking derp about my role. Be back tomorrow to sort shit out

yessiree - to confirm, you do get "no action" as an answer?

[Mac]

I don't think it's impossible, I just don't see the point is all.

You didn't answer my question. Do you have an answer such as "no action" or to that effect?

[Mac]

VOTE: yessiree

then you're lying about what I did last night, it's as simple as that (when I'm not a moron)

[Mac]

Oh yeah, I'll take a look.

[Mac]

@DarkLightA/Mac: You've done nothing but setup speculation, claiming and waffle since… #268? (With the exception of #480.) Do you have any reads at the moment based on anything other than claims?

aside from yessiree fakeclaiming, I'm not sure.

serra has backed off of me which feels like a weird move if he's scum and I was being such an idiot about my role - he could easily have taken advantage of it I feel and pushed through my lynch. it's made me feel slightly better about him, but I'm not yet sold on him.

Other than that it leaves Aldi/Bob - aldi being scum would be strange given he's directing a PR, and I agree with your assessment on bob's play from earlier. You are a worry of mine because I'm running out of suspects for one, but unlynchable *could* be a scum role of sorts since it looks like town has alot of help here.

[Mac]

It's hard to tell.

I'd say arsonists but it could be aliens, I have no idea. I feel aliens would have killed bob/aldi already... (which has totally led my mind to think they might be aliens elaborately fakeclaiming)

[Mac]

let me take the time to dismantle your post callforjudgement because I won't lie, it's a whole load of shit.

Mac's claim is incredibly unsure, looking like it's an attempt to copy the "VT-equivalent" town claim rather than reading a PM to be sure: #425

I don't get what your point is. It's pretty clear I was in a hurry since I announced a V/LA in the very same place, and why, as scum, would I throw it down as though I wasn't sure of it? Makes no sense.

Mac has painted himself into a corner with reads (#255 has both me and yessiree as town, and we'd both need to be scum for him to be reasonable as town; he didn't say much else on the subject until #575 for yessiree, and didn't say anything about me until the very recent #636); running out of reads is more likely for scum (who have more knowledge of the setup and so are more sure in their townreads), than it is for town (who don't know much at all)

255 was on d1 before claims and such, therefore your pushing old data there. plus it's pretty obvious I don't really know what's going on besides yesiree scum which I've made clear - that would make me town in your crazy little world where town are less sure of there reads..

Both Mac and serra have come up with very implausible theories about the setup (e.g. serra's 6:2:1 theory, or Mac's suggestion of a Bob/Aldi Alien scumteam in the previous post while he's in a 1v1 and thus knows that's not the case); this is a scumtell in my experience because town tend to have little enough information that they consider likely theories first, and scum can get onto unlikely theories much more quickly if they know something weird's going on, and serra admits this is a scumtell in #549; serra's #621 is particularly weird because nobody else considers serra's setup theories plausible, which should be a sign that maybe those theories are wrong, rather than that they're trying to ignore evidence

This is pretty fucking shitty of you considering you

asked for my opinion on reads or scumteams

and even furthermore boosted by the fact I said both were unlikely scum, so I've never pushed an Aldi/Bob alien team and this is just lies.

serra and Mac have been suspicious of each other earlier (e.g. #454, #439), but are now easing off on each other now that it's probably lylo, without much reasoning (especialy Mac; see #636 for a reasonably blatant case, where he decides serra is town based on serra backing off of him, when he's short of townreads; that could also be read as scum-Mac attempting to buddy town-serra, though)

I've also CLEARLY addressed this that I don't think scum serra would back off me when I was flailing like a fish out of water and basically an easy mislynch if he pushed it. His back off seems genuine. MOAR MISREP.

Mac unvotes in #254, an action that (given the timing and the players waiting to hammer) probably prevented serrapaladin's slot being lynched that Day

hahaha, I had

just

replaced into the game? now you're just pushing things that clearly aren't scummy?

[Mac]

dodging a prod here, awy out to a restaurant so will be back later on/tomorrow

[Mac]

It's not a strong tell, but it isn't surprising that someone replacing in would want to unvote their scumbuddy pretty quickly, when they had a good opportunity to do so.

If you hadn't unvoted, serra's slot would almost certainly have been lynched, given that there was a hammer intent there.

holy fucking shit. I'm done with you.

[Mac]

at least we know Ald/Bob aren't scum together

This is a pretty significant post given you have a guilty on me.

[Mac]

@Mod V/LA the weekend