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So Kagami's ISO seems no less useful than people like TIP yet she merits three votes, at least two of which have no reasoning. Not liking the wagon at all, and TIP-scum wouldn't surprise me.
TIP, one post to convince me I shouldn't go whine at Cabd to move our vote to you, please.
Nazarene, you hate the orc votes yet your recap of orc doesn't exactly present him as a town read. Why the discrepancy?
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Great, but why do I have to ask GiF? You apparently played the game, make a case.In post 107, TheIrishPope wrote:pretty sure kagami is scum, just finished a scum game with him
ask gif
I know I read some of it, but I don't remember it in detail. Cabd might have better recollection once we sync, but if you remember relevant highlights I'm all ears.In post 122, Garruk Relentless wrote:
You missed the disappeared pages.In post 90, Medea the Alien wrote:So Kagami's ISO seems no less useful than people like TIP yet she merits three votes, at least two of which have no reasoning. Not liking the wagon at all, and TIP-scum wouldn't surprise me.
TIP, one post to convince me I shouldn't go whine at Cabd to move our vote to you, please.
Nazarene, you hate the orc votes yet your recap of orc doesn't exactly present him as a town read. Why the discrepancy?
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Cute, nati, cute.
Mad props for it not being a faked dayvig instead.-
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We both know you're not a daycop, and ffery isn't a bastard mod even if you were, so move on. I mean, your trap worked nati. Just look at it. Giffy going out of his way to avoid posting while posting up a storm elsewhere, and PN looking to frame it as a scumclaim. And all of a sudden everyone's "surefire" kagami reads go out the window.-
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Day cops with incorrect results; and or hidden millers, however, do not. And this isn't the sort of shit natiscum pulls either.In post 148, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:
Day cops appear in non-bastard games too...In post 147, Medea the Alien wrote:We both know you're not a daycop, and ffery isn't a bastard mod even if you were, so move on.-
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The bolded pretty much tanks the utility of your reaction test, so I'm comfortable moving on to considering what we got out of this.In post 151, Natirasha wrote:SSK can hydra quote later.
But presumably,if you're town,Cabd, you know I wouldn't fake a daycop like this just for reactions.
So you really have no choice but to listen to my judgment.
Here's our current wagon: you, PN, Nazarene, orcinus.
Overall, lots of bravado, little interest in questioning what's happening.
You obviously had to vote there, and unless you're scum with Kagami I see a lot of downsides and not much benefit to scum-you in kicking this off. Probably town.
PN went from a vote they weren't interested in supporting (GIF) to Kagami for the lolz, to mindless sheeping a fake day cop. Likely scum.
Nazarene-wise, the bravado of 'of course we were going to push Medea' is absurd, but isn't likely from scum. Seeing as our town flip would make them look pretty bad for saying this at all. Much easier as scum just to pretend you believed the gambit and hop on quietly. Likely town.
Orcinus needs to catch up, yet has no problem putting down an L-1 vote on a clear gambit. He can stay on our scum list even in the face of TIP's utter uselessness. Which, Nazarene, is pretty emblematic of why I was happy to leave our vote on orcinus here. (You asked about my take on the Kagami wagon: it was weak. Pressure, sure, but it looked more like wagoning for the sake of running someone up than being interested in listening to her points in response. I'm not confident on her being town, but I am pretty sure there was scum on her wagon at some point, either PN or TIP. Probably not both given the flimsiness of the arguments.)
No reaction thus far from TIP, GIF, or Alduskkel. I'd have preferred to wait for at least one more of them, but like I said, blown reaction test is blown.
Kagami...I'm not sure if she's setting herself up to be 'convinced' by the claim or is generally hesitant. I do remember town-Kagami as reasonably confident from a Micro game where she was JK (279?). So the lack of opinion here pings a bit.
Kagami, what's your updated take on how your wagon assembled and those people who hopped off in favor of us?
My personal reads ATM: Town (Garruk, Nazarene) slight town (Kagami, GIF) null (Alduskkel) slight scum (TIP) scum (PN, orcinus).
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Hey, I wanted to wait and get more info out of it. Not my fault you slipped up.In post 161, Garruk Relentless wrote:Next time don't fuck with The World, Cabd. I don't do things stupidly and I was hoping you'd just play along.
So you know what I got out of it, and whenever Cabd shows up again I'm sure we'll get his further insights. What's your take on people's reactions?
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Why displeased? Didn't you get information out of it? Or is this 'we're displeased that we aired our true scum colors for naught?'
Oh dear lord. Conveniently misses the ENTIRE gambit, wanders back in like nothing happened right afterwards just in time to avoid having to react. Cabd can move this vote if he disagrees, but seriously.In post 166, TheIrishPope wrote:So who we lynching?
VOTE: TIP
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During or afterwards? How do you like your Kagami vote after seeing the entire wagon go haring off after a fake day cop?In post 169, TheIrishPope wrote:Well yeah I saw the daycop shit and it was obviously fake. There is absolutely no reason to comment on it...
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...OK. I have no standing to be annoyed about someone faking alignment knowledge of another player, but I would like to know either what you got out of it or what besides your own inconsistency prevented it from working the way you envisioned.In post 171, Garruk Relentless wrote:
I legitimately did not intend to just be a reaction test.In post 163, Medea the Alien wrote:Hey, I wanted to wait and get more info out of it. Not my fault you slipped up.
So you know what I got out of it, and whenever Cabd shows up again I'm sure we'll get his further insights. What's your take on people's reactions?
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Cabd said Etna was from a video game but didn't know what you meant otherwise. And then he pointed me at the wiki page. Which, since I know nothing about video games, was entertaining but didn't really tell me anything about your plan.In post 182, Garruk Relentless wrote:I was 100% trying to lynch Medea, Tiershift.
If you wanted us lynched, you didn't have to retract your claim. It likely would have dumped the town in LyLo when we flipped town and likely-town-you got strung up the next day, but it could have happened. Now that you're done with whatever your master plan was, if you want to get into it with us, go for it. Because I'm not interested in dealing with vague suspicions for however long we're alive.
I think it was an easy wagon for scum to hop on and off with impunity. I didn't see much evidence that the people on the wagon were listening to what Kagami had to say very well. And there wasn't a lot of evidence that some of the wagoners were trying to convince others of the validity of the case. Perfect scum camouflage.In post 185, Nazarene wrote:
Forgot to respond to this.In post 155, Medea the Alien wrote:You asked about my take on the Kagami wagon: it was weak. Pressure, sure, but it looked more like wagoning for the sake of running someone up than being interested in listening to her points in response. I'm not confident on her being town, but I am pretty sure there was scum on her wagon at some point, either PN or TIP. Probably not both given the flimsiness of the arguments.
Are you saying that even if she is scum, there was scum on the wagon? Why do you feel so confident that there was scum on the wagon?
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What weren't you satisfied with? As I think I've made clear, I'd like to get maximum value out of this, and it's already helped persuade me of town-Nazarene and likely town-Garruk. Scum reads have only solidified, but I'll take the definitive impact on town reads.In post 175, GuyInFreezer wrote:For the fun between Garruk and Medea, for now happy to move Medea to town, even though I wasn't quite satisfied with the back-and-forth.
In asking this, I assume you think he hasn't towned it up. Is your read on them currently the absence of a town read or an actual scum read? With reasons, please.In post 210, Alduskkel wrote:I'm not sure I've ever played with Bert outside of marathon/skype Mafia, but doesn't he usually town it up when he's town?
Alert: we still think you're scum. We'd just rather vote for TIP who also seems reasonably likely to flip scum and apparently isn't going to do anything useful. You LOLhopped a clear reaction test with little thought beyond dealing with it as inconspicuously as possible, but you dealt with it. That TIP strolled in afterwards and didn't even acknowledge it happened is inexcusable. Hence the vote. Although I suspect Cabd would be happy to wrest our vote back to you.In post 218, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:i really didn't like cabd's push on me
he's normally much lazier in the early game and doesn't do shit
he got off his ass to misread me??
and now that read dissipated?
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When Kagami posted we were at L-1. The way the above reads to me is more like Gaiden is insistent that Kagami is scum and is pointing out anything he can think of that might stick to explain the read. Kagami questioning the claim at all seems town to me. Unless Kagami is scum with Garruk, scum should have wanted the fake wagon on us to go through, especially when they can blame someone else for it the next day. Only way that doesn't work is with a Kagami-Garruk scum team who decided to sacrifice one of their own to see us dead. Which, I realize Cabd is scary, but the idea of scum queuing up for a 1:1 trade in a game of this size is absurd. Even if it made the other one come out smelling like roses, it's a very tunnely theory and I'd have expected Kagami to react more definitively in that case.In post 219, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:gaiden thinks that kagami is scum for refusing to vote medea, that is his scumread
Garruk's dodging the question of what they got out of it/wanted to get out of it and claiming to still want us dead with zero explanation is admittedly bad. But the Kagami wagon is still worse, and Garruk only works with Kagami-scum, so I'll just ask again: Garruk, please discuss your own gambit. With something other than lyncher invocations, please and thank you.
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To elaborate: your approach to our wagon was scummy. You didn't show any interest in thinking beyond having an apparent result fall into your lap. You wanted other people to hop on to obscure your own easy jump, and you didn't consider anything about the claim before or after doing so. It's scum opting not to look a gift horse in the mouth as far as I can tell.In post 233, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:
low effort play can appear scummy re: the read on PN, so I can see that I guess.In post 155, Medea the Alien wrote:PN went from a vote they weren't interested in supporting (GIF) to Kagami for the lolz, to mindless sheeping a fake day cop. Likely scum.
Nazarene-wise, the bravado of 'of course we were going to push Medea' is absurd, but isn't likely from scum. Seeing as our town flip would make them look pretty bad for saying this at all. Much easier as scum just to pretend you believed the gambit and hop on quietly. Likely town.
Orcinus needs to catch up, yet has no problem putting down an L-1 vote on a clear gambit.He can stay on our scum list even in the face of TIP's utter uselessness.
On the other hand -> Bolded is a weak point without flips. Saying this is worse than Nazarene because "Nazarene's bravado is too absurd for scum" is a complete non-reason. Well, hard to believe.
it really looks like this reads list was made just to draw attention away from all the attention brought onto them by Garruk's fakeclaim gambit.
there is no tip-toeing around it. the bottom line is it was NOT a clear gambit. that's why they're called gambits. I know because I believed Nat was telling the truth. So this position they're taking doesn't make that much sense.
So according to you, what happens if Kagami had hammered like you wanted and our town flip is out there? Who's going to get the most attention after Garruk? The one who avoided standing out or the one who cheerleaded the lynch? Probably the one who claimed to have a scum read on us all along and who would have been directly proven wrong? Sounds like a pretty good piece of bait for a follow-up lynch if I'm right about Garruk being town.
And if you think my discussing the claim and the wagon and continuing to pester Garruk to talk about it is trying to draw attention away from it, I just...don't even know what game you're reading.
As far as it being a gambit, I think you should consider that almost half the player list knew it was a gambit. Us, Garruk, and the scum, assuming Garruk is indeed town. Again, third party considerations screw with this, but for a Micro odds of a third party being in play are low. Do you truly believe that it was only town reacting there? If not, scum reacted as well, and trying to figure out how to separate out that group is quite useful.
Not necessarily. If Garruk is scum, the only reason they have to disrupt that L-1 wagon is to save a buddy. Letting the wagon play out with Garruk-scum and Kagami-town likely nets scum information if Kagami is forced to claim upon hammer intent. Which, on this player list, seems quite feasible. So either scum gets Kagami hammered or they learn her role. Both good things in a Garruk-scum/Kagami-town scenario. Therefore the only benefit to Garruk-scum is if Kagami is a partner.In post 236, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:
so you see the timing of the fakeclaim (when Kagami was at lynch -1) as more than purely coincidental?In post 235, Medea the Alien wrote:Garruk only works with Kagami-scum, so I'll just ask again:
On the other hand, if Garruk-town has a strong townread on Kagami, that would be a good reason to time the fakeclaim for that point. Shake up a crappy wagon. But they were voting Kagami before moving to us, so I don't think that's a good explanation.
Bottom line, I think they decided to do something, and given how much they were winging it such that they flubbed their own plan I think it's more likely they didn't think about the lay of the land as a whole in their timing.
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There's a difference between how you hopped on with a minimum of fuss and Nazarene jumping on while crowing about how they knew we were oh-so-scummy. You have the easy 'follow the cop' excuse without commitment, Nazarene commits to believing the result for their own reasons. Harder to back out of one than the other.
I agree that it (mostly) didn't make sense for Nati-scum. Doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for Nati-town. And yeah, they carried it on really close to the point of no return, but they really only got one shot at this. May as well maximize it.
Reacting to a claimed daycop guilty...I'd be looking for a trajectory that indicated the claimed daycop would use their investigation as claimed. I might voice my support of the lynch while seeing where people moved in the aftermath of the claim, since I know I'm town after all; seeing who jumped would be more informative on account of the 'gimmie' nature of the wagon. I might demand a full claim from the daycop given the low chances of a multiple shot daycop in a Micro. I might try to find and interrogate other people who had reads on the investigated slot. There's a lot to be done beyond 'hop on wagon' and I saw none of that from you.
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I modded a game Gaiden was in. IIRC he was Goo, which, um, doesn't give me much of a sense of how he'd play in a more normal game. I don't expect all of that from both of you, but let's face it: this is a Micro game, most likely two scum. You think you have one scum handed to you gift-wrapped. You aren't going to do anything to knock out the last scum? Instead you try to hurry up the wagon. Let's say Nati hadn't slipped up/retracted it. Do you really think there was a chance we wouldn't have been lynched? If not, why the giant hurry to pressure Kagami into hammering?
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I still think you're town, albeit it town who decided to base their usefulness on the death of a strong player (yes, I'm talking about Cabd before people start calling me massively egotistical). I do kind of enjoy that you've made us effectively BP though.In post 248, Garruk Relentless wrote:Medea.
I think you're town.
But I still need you lynched.
Because role. I have a passive ability that only activates upon your death. I'm not claiming what my role is though. Taking it to the goddamn grave there.
I had to choose a player to tether to pre-game, I chose you.
GIF, I see what you mean about things ending abruptly with the fake daycop. Thing was, I would have liked to let it play out, but Garruk slipped, which meant that if someone did LOLhammer, our town flip would have made Garruk all but guaranteed to be the next lynch, and I think that would also have been a mislynch.
Tier-Nazarene, why is Alduskkel less useful than TIP and orcinus?
Garruk, why is Kagami such a strong scum read here? And if you're so sure, why not lynch her today before trying to activate your claimed ability? PRs are all well and good, but I'd rather be considering your situation from a 6:1 perspective than 7:2, or worse have been policy/gambit lynched and go into tomorrow watching the town at 5:2 whether or not you have some shiny new role.
So Cabd should be getting in here, but his take on the Gaiden thing is that Gaiden playing in an anti-town fashion doesn't make him town; it just masks his scum game. I'm not meta diving to back that up, but unless you are seriously proposing that Gaiden would be playing differently as scum, I have no problem judging your hydra on what you actually do here. And what you've done is scummy.
Orcinus, when you posted this:How much of the game were you current with, in terms of actually having opinions and not just seeing, 'daycop!' :VOTE:?
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So that's 'nothing' then? Why did you feel it was a good idea to toss out a vote on a claim that was so ridiculous without getting context? What do you think of the gambit after hearing the complete explanation?In post 267, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
i had been on vla for 3 daysIn post 265, Medea the Alien wrote:How much of the game were you current with, in terms of actually having opinions and not just seeing, 'daycop!' :VOTE:?
Sorry, phrased that poorly. You said that Alduskkel was posting useless things, implying that that was your motive for voting him. I'm asking what pushes him ahead of TIP's anti-town uselessness where he ignores events entirely or orcinus whose back and forth with PN was as engaged as he's gotten. (And reading his side of it in ISO, he's vague, asking questions but not giving opinions. The only things he's come out swinging about are the hated mechanic and our scum read on him.)In post 268, Nazarene wrote:
Can't believe I said he was. All three are pretty useless, mkay.In post 265, Medea the Alien wrote:Tier-Nazarene, why is Alduskkel less useful than TIP and orcinus?
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Hi I am here and penguin tells me you are scum. My little reaction test on you is lost to the abyss of fuckyouhohumgetarealserver so can you help me re-create it by pretending I just voted for you and called you confirmed scum from meta?In post 267, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
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Gaiden's a lazy fucker regardless of alignment so yeah, they don't get to sell that as a towntell. Insert another quarter, try again.In post 265, Medea the Alien wrote:So Cabd should be getting in here, but his take on the Gaiden thing is that Gaiden playing in an anti-town fashion doesn't make him town; it just masks his scum game. I'm not meta diving to back that up, but unless you are seriously proposing that Gaiden would be playing differently as scum, I have no problem judging your hydra on what you actually do here. And what you've done is scummy.-
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I'll admit that you jumping on gambits doesn't shock me, but the lack of engagement bothers me still. It's not as bad as TIP burying his head in the sand, but as I said at the end of 269 I don't see you putting out much in the way of opinions that you're willing to stand behind. You're scum reading us and spent a lot of time trying to wheedle out info on the claimed Hated mechanic. When you did get into a discussion, your involvement was basically asking questions, and your contributions were pretty vague.In post 280, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I will always support gambits by other players in the game if it doesn't directly harm town
I thought that it was underwhelming after hearing the explanation but I don't really care because I'm scum reading you guys
Cabd seems sure he can sort you one way or the other given time though. I don't have anything useful that's more recent than Micro 99, so I'll punt this one to him.
Do you think it's a valid question? Given where your vote is. Because I still want an answer to my inquiry in 269 before the deadline runs out...In post 271, Nazarene wrote:I want an answer to ald's question: how can anyone really be town reading TIP at the moment?
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orcinus, it's the 'hop on' part that bothers me in terms of engagement, not the 'industriousness of doing so during V/LA' part. You say you support fellow players' gambits--presumably that's because you think useful results are gleaned. But I don't get where you've followed up to move the game forward based on what happened.
And that's in addition to your general approach as outlined in that quote. Your exchange with PN left me feeling all kinds of uneasy about your motives, and I don't think rereading it that I learned anything new about your take on things.
Talk to me about Alduskkel. Nazarene is simultaneously voting him and reinforcing his question, and you aren't making a case there either. His activity's been lousy, but he tried to engage with the game.
P-edit: Alduskkel, why? We have half a day to deadline and no wagons > 2 votes. orcinus isn't a town read, but at least he's responding at all, unlike TIP. Frankly I'd rather you joined us on TIP, although given that a third of the player list hasn't posted in over two days, I'm not optimistic about us avoiding a no-lynch at all.-
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I thought #262 was at least trying to get a foothold in things. And Alduskkel felt like lost town to me, although I'm not sure if he just looks good in comparison to TIP. I assume your heads are still disagreeing about Alduskkel, give this:In post 290, Nazarene wrote:I'm sorry, had no idea we were this close to deadline.
How is ald engaging with the game?
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Tier, why do you think TIP is town, assuming the above was Aegor?In post 271, Nazarene wrote:I want an answer to ald's question: how can anyone really be town reading TIP at the moment?
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Hi.In post 353, Nazarene wrote:input from medea
I don't really see there being a oneshot vig in this game when ffery has past experience with vigs in micros and it being rediculously scum sided. (Morph the cat scumgame, Nachomamma8's "Achievement Unlocked Mafia") Admittedly, that was a scum extra kill, but my point stands that in our conversations in-hydra she'd expressed a distaste for vigs in anything smaller than a 13p mini (and even then she has a recent negative experience thanks to orc's scumteam in 1551).
The angle Kagami is taking in her defense is interesting, though. Not exactly how I'd play it off had I gotten caught making a nightkill.-
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Like this post is enough and actually correct (*glares at natirasha*)In post 352, GuyInFreezer wrote:
I wouldn't gave jumped on it quickly if the result had a decent chance of being false positive.In post 347, Nazarene wrote:if it's likely to get false positives.
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...so much for giving Cabd space to sort orcinus.
Last I heard from Cabd, he was gung-ho on lynching Kagami in light of a claimed investigative result. I'm actually inclined to lynch Kagami today as well, seeing as some things just don't add up to the pro-town town-Kagami mindset I remember from other games of hers.
Saying that she was planning on conf-towning herself with this supposed vig shot and so kept a low profile Day One. Which is all well and good, but deliberately playing with the goal of just making it through the day is scummy, and as such tends to attract town power roles. And not likely the protective ones either. More like investigative ones...oh, wait.
Not scummy per se, but in her set-up spec she talks about the drive and the light, assigning passive powers to the drive for flipped town and the passive power to the light for her claimed role. If flavor was as deliberate as she's suggesting, that seems odd. Like actual powers don't fit right or something.
The role fish here pings a lot. But given likely set-up features, I'm not sure if it was coming from clueless scum or town baiting a trap.In post 347, Nazarene wrote:
Yo I'm just trying to gauge the likelyhood of gif getting a false positive.In post 342, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
VOTE: nazareneIn post 338, Nazarene wrote:Gif is your investigative role 1-shot?
Gif, you don't actually have to tell me your role but you may tell me if it's likely to get false positives.
The suggestion here that scum-Kagami would have hammered a blatant reaction test to stave off the lynch for one more day is lousy. Yes, people would have been annoyed at Garruk, but hammering there would have been pretty obvious scum. And as far as getting out of trouble with it, it seems that the whole reaction test/ploy did that pretty handily for you anyways. After our wagon took off, yours never got above two, and spent most of the time at one vote: TIP. The only time it came back at all was Perpetual Nonsense voting you...In post 360, Kagami wrote:Third pick for scum is medea, in the event that I had no scum on my wagon.
Medea should pretty much know I'm town, as scum-kagami would have no chance at all of not hammering her during the daycopping thing. Scum-kagami was obviously in a tight spot, and would have been very happy to draw some suspicion that she could potentially get out of, while still being able to shift the blame to Garruk. I also find it on that Cabd doesn't seem too concerned about orc's very obvious errors and behavior that is highly reminiscent of the Tales game he just modded.
This diversion:
as Garruk's entrance seriously hurts my town read on them. No comment on investigative results after being so hot to trot on their own 'investigative result' before. I do tend to think that if aspects of the set-up are as they seem from flips and some things have happened as stated, mass claim might not be as damaging as normal. At least the non-passive abilities.In post 382, Garruk Relentless wrote:Q: Why are we not massclaiming? Seems good here.
So we, you, and Kagami (who killed someone) are town? More on that would be super, because that's a heck of a list.In post 394, Alduskkel wrote:I think scum is in {orc, Garruk, Naz, GIF}.
More later when I'm not dead tired.
I think flavor-claiming can't hurt, given the uPick aspect. And we're rolling along in that direction anyways with the number of players who've soft-claimed flavor. It is true that it reduces flexibility for any scum fakeclaims.
So in short, I think Kagami's likely scum. Alduskkel looks bad for coming in with little to say about the Kagami situation, as does Garruk. I'd be shocked if there isn't scum somewhere in that group, if not both scum. Nazarene, I tend to think is well-intentioned town, and the apparent lack of long-term impediment with the Hated modifier claim is the only thing that makes me leery of just tossing them into the town pile. GiF is clearly in my town pile, and orcinus, really not sure. I'd feel better if Cabd had finished his plan, whatever it was. And if those posts were to come back.
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I have my suspicions, but nothing that's helpful speculated on. And if you think it's so cut-and-dried, where's your vote?In post 429, Garruk Relentless wrote:
Why would I comment on shit? I've said Kagami is scum since d1.In post 414, Medea the Alien wrote:as Garruk's entrance seriously hurts my town read on them. No comment on investigative results after being so hot to trot on their own 'investigative result' before. I do tend to think that if aspects of the set-up are as they seem from flips and some things have happened as stated, mass claim might not be as damaging as normal. At least the non-passive abilities.
I have a distinct reason I want to massclaim, btw. It should be blindingly obvious, too.
I'd like the discrepancy between passive and active ability inspirations in your examples addressed.In post 426, Kagami wrote:in 327, I posit that our abilities come from some interpretation of the "light" and "drive" thingies, but that scum might have powers from the "drive" and "shadow" meanings. No one has expressed any objection to this possibility, so I figure I might actually be right on that one.
So you're not reading Kagami's posts but you have *reasons* to vote us. I think you're town, so pay more attention, please.In post 425, Nazarene wrote:prod garruk, please
What does this mean?In post 419, Kagami wrote:cool, if my setup spec theory is correct, then we should def flavor claim and look into "shadow" readings.
VOTE: medea
Die scumfuck
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With lots of power roles in play, scum probably wouldn't go for targets likely to be protected, for starters. Other options, not accounting for your partner's identity: we were under a cloud thanks to Garruk and our death would supposedly empower them, Garruk claimed to have no power until we died, Alduskkel barely posted, and orcinus was tunneling the claimed Hated and us. Not really any significantly better kill choices out there. Why not kill someone suspecting you? You were unlikely to take heat for it, given that it's a single data point, and it would have made today easier. And that doesn't account for any motivation your partner might have had.In post 419, Kagami wrote:cool, if my setup spec theory is correct, then we should def flavor claim and look into "shadow" readings.
Anyway, I'd like to re-emphasize: What scum would kill PN over GiF or Naz, who were almost universally townread and would actually be useful to town if left alive?
The fact that it was PN who died should pretty strongly indicate that it was a vig kill. PN would kind of be a bad scum kill even if he were an IC / very obv-town.
If you think scum-kagami would have killed a person who was suspecting me, there would still be much better choices (Naz being an obvious one).
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I don't think you're doing anything new, interesting, or useful, so yeah, I'm not overly inclined to shower you with attention. Take it up with Cabd if you're feeling neglected.In post 431, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:are you avoiding me
And so my question is why it doesn't please you to vote for Kagami at this juncture?In post 434, Garruk Relentless wrote:I vote when I damn well please, PA.
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In post 459, Medea the Alien wrote:I think TIP should determine the mass claim order.
Heh, no. A) Nazarene =/= TIP, B) you're hardly conftown on one unknown player's say-so, C) GIF is partially claimed and so is less of a mass claim concern than a complete unknown like orcinus. But nice try.In post 464, Nazarene wrote:Ok, medea is next. Then gif, then orc, then us?
Since we're apparently conftown now.
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I havent been doing much of ANYTHING in any game lately, yo. Like... we don't have the same level of orcihate going so i've been letting her play with you while i go be lazy and apathetic and a bit mehface, which kind of sums up my mafia life in general right now?
I've already chosen to go simultaneously with aegorhydra (WHO IS STILL POSTING PLENTY EVERYWHERE ELSE) instead of after him, so if I was looking for wiggle room then I willingly pissed some away.-
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Riiight.
IF you'll humor me though, I do have a question. Is that the fakeclaim she gave you, or did you not use it and went with your own? Because if ffery gave scum a doc fakeclaim with jailkeep in the game, i'm yelling at her for it given this exact same scenario played out, albeit reversed, in gif's mini theme.-
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If orc is scum, he either nokilled to set this up somehow knowing kagami was a vig or wanting a MYLO scenario, or his scumteam killed bert night one. Neither of those make any sense.
Whereas two protective roles in a twokill environment seems like chaos but I could see ffery subverting shit after our bad taste of it in gif's mini.
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The thing that distresses me is look at the flipped roles so far, as well as my own:
TheIrishPope, The Lovers, Town Neighbor and One-Shot Inventor, Lynched Day 1
Perpetual Nonsense, The Sun, Town Ascetic One-Shot Motivator, Killed Night 1
Kagami, The Tower, Town Enabled One-Shot Vigilante, Lynched Day 2
Garruk Relentless, The Universe, Town Enabler and One-Shot Reviver, Killed Night 2
Medea the Alien, The Chariot, Town Strong-Willed One-Shot Jailkeeper
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Because despite him getting kagami lynched, his follower claim and the way he outed felt town as fuck + sheeping kagami's read on him once she flipped town.In post 504, Nazarene wrote:Why did you jk gif last night?-
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I'm expecting one scum informative, one scum blocking.In post 508, Nazarene wrote:Well
I guess we really need gif to claim now.
Do you think scum follower makes sense?
Scum Follower is possible, but damn, getting a "vig" result (or killing result but lol no SK in a 9p setup) and pushing it as a guilty anyway. Gif fucking snowed me good. It's just as likely a scum rolecop or something stronger though.-
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