Micro 316: Lucky's Double Greatest Idea Spring Break!

[Aronis]

FIRST!

[Aronis]

Now that I did that, based on the discarded roles, I'm leaning towards those with only town roles discarded as being a tad more scummy. Idk though.

[Aronis]

Mod, Wouldn't TierShift's discarded 'Mafia Compulsive Hider' be red colored?

shhh! It was such a good hider role that it was green like town!

[Aronis]

Yay! Spring Break is here. (Sadly my spring break was last weak) Aronis I see why you would think but what do we think a out someone like xegarus, who discarded 2 alien roles?

My Spring Break is this week! So fitting.

Lean town? Of course how much weight that can be placed on the discards is questionable.

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Xayzeck and Phok, why didn't you at least take alignment from one of your roles?

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And how do i feel about Wisdom. I cant make sense of his generalizing logic.
If he always tunneld as town then it makes sense to chat a lot of crap and to manipulate people like he is.
Unfortunatly same as scum too. As of right now i'm leaning scum. If thats the case then he could be hard bussing Xay.
And thats what my money is on atm.

So...why is wisdom scum?

After realizing there's more than 1 scum faction, do you still think he and xay are buddies?

Wisdom is always scum.

Xayzeck's 'scumslip' is nowhere near enough to put him at L-1.

Trying to blend in can be considered scum, but I do it regardless of alignment sometimes.

VOTE: Wisdom

[Aronis]

so we're looking for one to four scum members fwiw.

Probably closer to four.

Any reason to think so? The topic does say that the line-up may be unbalanced iirc so I'm not sure how much it can be narrowed down at this stage. Though it potentially being multiscum is certainly something to take into account.

As to the Wisdom stuff, I disagree with most of his/her points, but I don't know about alignment as of yet. Can anyone give me an overview of Town!Wis and scum!Wis? Preferably something that most people can agree on :V.

I'd guess at least two, but who knows. There's also a decent chance that the scum are in multiple factions, we saw Alien, Mafia, Survivor, and Lyncher discarded.

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Xayzeck's 'scumslip' is nowhere near enough to put him at L-1.

Oh really? So you believe that right after he said all his roles were town he threw in a general comment about his experience as opposed to giving an extra reason for picking town (which was the slip)?

I see the reasons for suspecting it as a slip and semi-agree with that. However, putting him at L-1 on page 2 seems really extreme. At least wait a while and see how the remainder of the day goes before lynching him. You're overreacting.

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What's wrong with L-1? Do you think scum will quickhammer or something?

Also why are you acting like

I

put him at L-1? What do you think about Xegarus who actually did and then unvoted?

No, but still, that early. It's not ideal, IMO.

And It's not just you, I mean it more in general to every1 on that wagon.

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I'm sure you must have someone specific in mind on that wagon.

Phok just came in and voted on that wagon putting him at L-2 without any explanation and then Xegarus vote did not look good.

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Your posts seem to suggest that you agree with wisdom on a few topics and see phok and xeg as scummy, yet you are voting wisdom. Why?

Because I never bothered to change it. Besides, I like voting Wisdom.

UNVOTE: Wisdom
VOTE: Xegarus

[Aronis]

VOTE: Xayzeck

Seems scummier then Xegarus after looking over things.

L-1

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VOTE: aronis
All he's posted is just so incredibly weak, mainstream and sheepy.
Do you have any completed scumgames?

One: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=37613

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Because I'm not rushing a lynch and frankly want to see aronis removed first because I'm more confident in that read.

I responded to your post and never really got a detailed response afterwords. Did you look over that game and if so, thoughts?

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I'm sure you must have someone specific in mind on that wagon.

Phok just came in and voted on that wagon putting him at L-2 without any explanation and then Xegarus vote did not look good.

Your posts seem to suggest that you agree with wisdom on a few topics and see phok and xeg as scummy, yet you are voting wisdom. Why?

Because I never bothered to change it. Besides, I like voting Wisdom.

UNVOTE: Wisdom
VOTE: Xegarus

VOTE: Xayzeck

Seems scummier then Xegarus after looking over things.

L-1

Hmmmm.
Does saying "seems scummier" sound like a explanation to anyone, cuz it doesnt to me.

I can always switch my vote back to you, if you'd like. I can explain things, but it's been discussed and I still regard it as a scum slip.

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And is that a really a scumslip?

Also this isn't a townie reaction to being accused of scumslipping.
You should be denying it, not exploring it.

I'm asking it, because to me it isn't a scumslip. I ask why, you say why, I explain why it isn't; that was the plan.

When I started mafia, I thought I'd enjoy playing scum.
After playing more, I feel town's more fun than scum.

That was what I intended to say.

Trying to blend = scum is a fact.

No it isn't.
Scum try to blend in yes.
But blending in does not mean scum.


P-edit

Phok, got anything to say apart from the vote?
UNVOTE:

You are misrepping that and you're arguing that I said that town never do anything scummy, which I didn't say.

This directly contradicts what you said above.

It does come naturally to town to try and start off the game by trying to figure out the others. It doesn't come naturally to scum who don't care about such a thing and only care about not getting lynched. Therefore, scum are awkward about it while town are not.

In a game where the tiniest little "odd" thing you say can get you molested by everyone, yeh sure. Scum is self conscious about what they say cause they have to be. But that does not mean that town isnt either.

The only exception is newbies who play for the first time and are awkward as town too, but that's not relevant here.

Not true.
Awkward town can be newbies, but not limited to.
Also, first game ive played in a year. But youre not gonna let that pass are you?

Are we done talking about theory?

This isnt just theory, its the reason you voted me.

And is that a really a scumslip?

Also this isn't a townie reaction to being accused of scumslipping.
You should be denying it, not exploring it.

Not always, but yeh i feel scum is more likely to play it off.

VOTE: Xay

That was what I intended to say.

But not how it came out.

well fucked that up
p-edit was meant for the bottom

UNVOTE:

You vote Xayzeck, then two posts later, you unvote him. Later you say it was to put pressure on him, but how can you really put pressure on some1, if you unvote immediately.

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I was worried about the deadline.

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I was worried about the deadline.

Like Wisdom said, we had plenty of time. Why were you worried about the deadline?

I got confused. And mixing up deadlines and whatever is not a scum tell.

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That doesn't explain your contradiction regarding the scumslip

I never said it wasn't a scumslip. My logic was that putting him at L-1 on Page 2 was overreacting.

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Yet you criticized me for unvoting off L1?

Also your exact words were "Xayzeck's 'scumslip' is nowhere near enough to put him at L-1.". Hence it isnt the biggest factor for you to call him scum.
Am i mistaken?

Why did you unvote off L-1? You voted then a post later, unvote.

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UNVOTE:

Sorry. I just have a tendency to park my vote and forget about it.

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do you have your focus on someone else right now?

Currently I'm not liking Aronis too much. Too much sheeping and odd play.
And I don't buy the whole "confused about the deadline" thing. Also he's ignored my request for clarification and so I can only assume his votes so far have been for the sake of voting rather than any actual purpose.
VOTE: Aronis

We really need some activity.

I always play odd. Currently I'm way too interested in playing marathons, hence my inactivity. I'll try to answer your requests later and figure things out.

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VOTE: Aronis

L-1

If you agree that it was a scumslip, why did you unvote?

Why aren't you guys going after Xay for this?

Oh wait, we're policy lynching me.

VOTE: Xayzeck In that case, Might as well.

[Aronis]

Aronis it just looks like you are trying to save your own ass right now with that post.

I'm to the point where I want to die. But I don't want to self hammer.

[Aronis]

Aronis it just looks like you are trying to save your own ass right now with that post.

I'm to the point where I want to die. But I don't want to self hammer.

A read list before you die then?

Let's see. I'm about to be mislynched and lose the game. Nope.

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If this isn't a scumclaim I don't know what is

It's a "you're going to mislynch me, so I hope you go down in flames and I'm going to be as useless as hell until that happens."

Type of thing. What's my motivation for helping you?

Xayzeck and Xegarus seem scummy.

Phok, Quill, and other inactives should be prodded for content relentlessly.

Happy now?

[Aronis]

Compared to others, No.

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I don't have any strong town reads atm. But my top are Tier and Wis.

Lean town is jklash and Quill.

Null is LTO.

Lean scum is Phok and Xegarus.

Scum is Xayzeck.

Now let me die in peace.

[Aronis]

Compared to others,

Yes.

Got confused with the question, fixed it.

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Null is LTO.

Lean scum is Phok

Why do you have a null on LTO but a read on phok?

LTO has posted a lot more than phok while phok has barely posted anything towards discussion. Hence phok who has not given enough to form a solid read should be null. Or are you counting omission as a scum read?

The lean scum is because of his naked vote on Xayzeck.

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I'm here. Sorry.

Xayzeck, What are your reads?

[Aronis]

Sorry for not posting.

Tier can i cask why you asked both Aronis and Xay to claim when no one had claimed any intent to hammer either of them?
Was it purely because both looked like the most likely potential lynches?

Where Xegarus places his vote may be relevant.

What did you mean by this?
Why single me out?

You cannot possibly argue that the second reason was something irrelevant.

And you think him mentioning something irrelevant must be cause scum rather than just being odd?


At the moment im more in line with a Aronis lynch purely because of his more recent play.

Aronis, why don't you give a rather detailed explanation of who you think is scum? Why were you appealing to fear earlier on xegarus ("I can place my vote back at you if you want") when he attacked you?

Can you answer Tier's first question?
Also since you threatened to vote me (which i told you to go ahead with) i'm assuming i'm a scum read for you?
Could you please explain why? Or direct me to the post where you may have explained? And if the posts where a while ago could you let me know if youve changed your mind on anything?

Also if you dont answer these questions, i've got you as scum and will be claiming intent to hammering. So if you cant answer those question, claim. It's the least you could do.

Mod, Im V/LA till Sunday but i'll make sure to check this out since the deadline is coming.

I just do that on occasion. Like when some1 says I'm not moving it enough, so I must be scum, bc of Meta, I vote them. But considering atm it's me or Xayzeck, my vote is staying there.

I feel like your play has a scummy feel to it, in a few posts you appear to dodge questions, and to back all that up the quick vote, unvote, which just strengthens that read further. And I'm not going to buy the screwing up the vote tags. There is no reason to vote someone and then unvote one post later.

I'm a Town Tracker and Weak Jailkeeper.

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Aronis, why don't you give a rather detailed explanation of who you think is scum?

That still.

I feel like your play has a scummy feel to it, in a few posts you appear to dodge questions, and to back all that up the quick vote, unvote, which just strengthens that read further. And I'm not going to buy the screwing up the vote tags. There is no reason to vote someone and then unvote one post later.

Care to give examples of me dodging questions?
And fine, dont believe my reasons for my vote or how i did fuck it up. You seem to be the only one who cares about it.
But just have a look (spoilers for ease)

Spoiler:

And is that a really a scumslip?

Also this isn't a townie reaction to being accused of scumslipping.
You should be denying it, not exploring it.

I'm asking it, because to me it isn't a scumslip. I ask why, you say why, I explain why it isn't; that was the plan.

When I started mafia, I thought I'd enjoy playing scum.
After playing more, I feel town's more fun than scum.

That was what I intended to say.

Trying to blend = scum is a fact.

No it isn't.
Scum try to blend in yes.
But blending in does not mean scum.


P-edit

Phok, got anything to say apart from the vote?
UNVOTE:

You are misrepping that and you're arguing that I said that town never do anything scummy, which I didn't say.

This directly contradicts what you said above.

It does come naturally to town to try and start off the game by trying to figure out the others. It doesn't come naturally to scum who don't care about such a thing and only care about not getting lynched. Therefore, scum are awkward about it while town are not.

In a game where the tiniest little "odd" thing you say can get you molested by everyone, yeh sure. Scum is self conscious about what they say cause they have to be. But that does not mean that town isnt either.

The only exception is newbies who play for the first time and are awkward as town too, but that's not relevant here.

Not true.
Awkward town can be newbies, but not limited to.
Also, first game ive played in a year. But youre not gonna let that pass are you?

Are we done talking about theory?

This isnt just theory, its the reason you voted me.

And is that a really a scumslip?

Also this isn't a townie reaction to being accused of scumslipping.
You should be denying it, not exploring it.

Not always, but yeh i feel scum is more likely to play it off.

VOTE: Xay

That was what I intended to say.

But not how it came out.

well fucked that up
p-edit was meant for the bottom

UNVOTE:

Go and look at the posts and look at the fucking time stamps. My second post makes NO SENSE unless i messed something up.

But what ever, its your call not to believe me.

I'm a Town Tracker and Weak Jailkeeper.

I told you to claim if you couldnt answer these questions, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you at least attempted, so why did you claim?
Also, why did you pick those powers and drop the others? Purely for speculative reasons.

I didn't know about whether there were or weren't any werewolves, so I discard the immunity to them. I didn't want to be lyncher. I'm awful at scum, so I just took the tracker from that. And then the Weak Jailkeeper and Vanilla Town were my only other options, so alignment from VT and second role from Jailkeeper.

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btw Tier you haven't really said anything about the scum-meta I provided.

Daww did you want cookies

Keyword being trying, and not doing very well at it.

Okay this may die actually.

. But considering atm it's me or Xayzeck, my vote is staying there.

But you think xeg has a higher chance of flipping scum?

VOTE: xay
Yay for votehopping!

Aronis, I want you to jailkeep phok tonight, okay? You're not getting away with giving a non-damning tracking report. If you fall and flip town weak JK, we will avenge you. If you don't JK him and you're town, we will likely waste a mislynch on you. If he's scum (which is looking pretty likely at this rate), finding him out is definitely worth sacrificing yourself for.

No, but there are prob more then one scum.

I guess. Here's to hoping he's town!

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I take this as a commitment to JK'ing phok.

It is, provided no one else objects.

[Aronis]

I guess he could RB or something.

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[egopost]

I am going to bed in one hour and then have work tomorrow until 6 EST. I will not be back in time for deadline.

I'm reading now but anyone feel like giving us cliff's notes?

Xayzeck scum slipped on page two.

And I am

not even close to being

obvious town.

[Aronis]

What the hell?

VOTE: Drunken Lies

[Aronis]

VOTE: Drunken Lies

[Aronis]

So now you just shot a Town Cop??? Why on earth would you not let him claim? At least then we could get results on someone.

[Aronis]

So let's just shoot them all?

If nothing else it probably (and hopefully) sealed the deal.

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I jailed Quill.

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WTH? Well. . . Good riddance.