Micro 324: Bridge Mafia (D3, 6/9 alive)

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: wolfy

A wolf in town clothing! Am I doing it right?

[Lucky2u]

you know... with mala being a huge benefit if town, or a huge threat if scum... why not just lynch her and clear that up early? Statistically... isn't it the smart move?

[Lucky2u]

you know... with mala being a huge benefit if town, or a huge threat if scum... why not just lynch her and clear that up early? Statistically... isn't it the smart move?

VOTE: Lucky
For the obvious reasnon,he wants mala out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMGUS!!1!!!1!eleven!!

VOTE: Arcangel9

(that the reaction you wanted!)

[Lucky2u]

you know... with mala being a huge benefit if town, or a huge threat if scum... why not just lynch her and clear that up early? Statistically... isn't it the smart move?

VOTE: Lucky
For the obvious reasnon,he wants mala out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMGUS!!1!!!1!eleven!!

VOTE: Arcangel9

(that the reaction you wanted!)

trying too hard to endear yourself all the while awkwardly avoiding commenting on anything
you're scum and you don't know how to start a game as scum. it's OK, lucky. i'm the same way

Your almost right. I don't know how to start a game as town. Scum I am perfectly comfortable with and put alot of effort into. I'd point you to some completed games but that's alot of work so I'll let you do the research if you care enough.

I'm not commenting on anything because I don't feel like leading a case at the moment. I have some gut feelings but nothing really pinging yet. Trolling is a good way to see who the try hards are in the game atleast, and who is relaxed enough to sense the humor. In that way, I have a basis to start my reads.

[Lucky2u]

you know... with mala being a huge benefit if town, or a huge threat if scum... why not just lynch her and clear that up early? Statistically... isn't it the smart move?

VOTE: Lucky
For the obvious reasnon,he wants mala out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMGUS!!1!!!1!eleven!!

VOTE: Arcangel9

(that the reaction you wanted!)

I don't like this. Particularly the part in brackets. It seems either self-conscious (by trying to confirm that she reacted in the way Arc would expect) or trying to buddy with Arc.

VOTE: Lucky

Antihero, if you think that jklash is scum, why did you move your vote over to Lucky?

You win!

VOTE: insanity

Congradulations. Even after I admitted to be purposefully trolling, you tried to show me having a scum agenda with what is essentially a garbage null post. Seriously... buddying with Arc? This is not how I would approach it. The way I buddy someone as scum is by engaging them in a conversation about a read or argument they have, agree with like %30 of it at the start and let them "convince me" about how they are right and end up totally agreeing with them. Trolling is not how you buddy someone.

Question: You don't seem like a complete rookie, what's your mafia experience? In case you are completely new and have never played this game before I might be convinced to unvote you.

[Lucky2u]

underlying (annoying and fallacious) assumption: scum will be scumhunting and town will want to fuck around

lucky can't have been here a year and still seriously believe that

teh fuck arc? no I don't believe that and I am not preaching it. Why would you think I am? That is a horrible absolute condition statement to play this game by.

[Lucky2u]

ebwop: sorry anti, called you arc. That is a horrible sin... Speaking of mis identifications though, someone called me a she earlier. I am a HE, thank you very much.

I'm leaning early town on Wolfy due to him wanting to get out of RVS. I also thought by 'evidence', he meant 'reasons' which again links to getting out of RVS.

I didn't interpret it that way. The way I saw it, he scrambled to defend himself, nothing more...

So "scrambling" to defend oneself is scummy?

What the hell are you talking about? I was reaction testing from lucky's post which i have explained already. So if Anti back's me up means that makes me scum? so what about Anti? Are you suppose to be voting Anti becuz he backed me up and my vote on lucky came first? Why me?

Your vote on me just looks like random shit reason to vote. I am leaning scum

VOTE: Wolfy

Looks like forcefully defending herself and a retaliation vote too.

My vote wasn't random and I think the reason was sound even if you do not

So you think Arc is OMGUS voting you? or are you talking about Anti. I can't tell who you are talking about since you didn't use a name in your post and Arc is asking you a question. So either you ignored the question and are talking about Arc or you meant that statement as an answer toward anti. I would like to know please.

[Lucky2u]

Coming back soon

[Lucky2u]

p-edit: Wolfy, do you think RVS trolling humour is more likely to be a scum or town thing? And, am I also overreacting? Or do you think that is just Anti and Arc?

I think RVS trolling humour is a null thing.

You are correct sir. I have trolled as scum and town before. I'm surprised people are trying to classify it and even more surprised that people think I am so good at trolling that I have agenda's underlying in my trolling.

I am fine with your three options Red. So long as it's actually insanity or wolfy

[Lucky2u]

I'm concerned that neither Mala nor Wolfy have votes down. Are they biding their time for another wagon to spring up?

ok. so what would you call jklash still having his RVS vote on Egg?

I would call it laziness. What's the possible scum agenda of leaving it? Maybe we'll forget and quick lynch egg?

[Lucky2u]

I don't know wolfy, it does seem like that whole post us basically "Nuh uh, you're scum!". The big difference I see between you and red is that he is still talking about other players. Your contribution at this point is solely defending yourself while attacking him. What are your opinions on his reads of other players. What are your reads of other players. If he is scum, who are possible partners? If he isn't, who is likely scum after him?

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: wolfy

@insanity I understand that tone is hard to read in text form, so perhaps you should base your read on me on something appears "self conscious" unless you read it aloud in several different inflections. I honestly don't know how you can be self conscious while trolling.

[Lucky2u]

Prodding Egg

Ow

Can't hunt scum with prodding a few eggs.

[Lucky2u]

so does that mean you will self vote?

[Lucky2u]

@jklash you don't think his asking questions like that is coming from a newbie POV? If he had been on the site for more than a month I'd agree completely but I could see a newbie unconsciously looking for guidance like that.

[Lucky2u]

leave the jklash wagon and come join the wolfy wagon everyone! We have cookies here!

[Lucky2u]

I

really

do not like 224, especially

Nah, I really don't care if you vote me because I am town.

So far this game I have been too busy/lazy to scum hunt. I know it sounds dumb but you gotta trust me that I am town. I have never been scum

before

and I know if I was scum I would be trying a lot harder to look town than just lurking/coasting.

"never been scum

before

" - scumslip?

The whole post is just wrong including "I really don't care if you vote me..."

What makes you think we gotta trust you?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: jklash12

That's L-1 I believe.

Wolfy has moved into the save his own skin mode and is voting his opposing wagon. This case on jklash is bad, that was not a scum slip.

[Lucky2u]

leave the jklash wagon and come join the wolfy wagon everyone! We have cookies here!

Why do you want people off the jklash wagon?
Why do you want people on my wagon?
What flavour cookies?

Because it deflects from your wagon.
Because you are scum.
Macadamia Nut Cookies. I wasn't talking about cheap-o chocolate chip cookies, we have the good stuff!

[Lucky2u]

Well I'm going to be v/la for the weekend... Please lynch us a wolf while I'm gone!

[Lucky2u]

Hey

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: wolfy

Sorry guys, preoccupied lately. Will make a good read through later but my skim and the current Mala wagon tells me I need to get back on my day 1 wagon.

[Lucky2u]

Prod dodge. Be here by tonight.

[Lucky2u]

Honestly I dont think she'd back off the softclaim as scum. She'd probably end up claiming a power role later on.

I agree with this. I'm not voting malakittens because the case today pretty much is that she fake crumbed, fake soft claimed, or whatever. I just don't see the scum strategy in not taking advantage of what people were already accepting. The theory is what? She is scum and faked a PR soft claim but then decided to say she didn't because...?

Sorry guys, preoccupied lately. Will make a good read through later but my skim and the current Mala wagon tells me I need to get back on my day 1 wagon.

The Wolfy wagon has only decreased in value over time, not increased. Wolfy's posts have been consistently better. I especially like how he's went from throwing token strawmen at his detractors to sensibly disagreeing with them while reading the thread for himself. I think the jklash wagon was a good example of that, even if it may not look like it at first glance. I believe Wolfy took the time to analyze that wagon independently. It's easy to dismiss him as jumping on due to opportunism. I don't think that's the case, and he's been able to successfully argue with me as to why it wasn't, I think.

This is a lazy vote, Lucky. You're becoming more and more useless over time. As far as I'm concerned, you're a better lynch than Wolfy at this point.

How is that a lazy vote? A lazy vote would be seeing the wagon on mala and saying "Yes all those reasons are reasons, I vote Mala!" You know... like Wolfy did the very next post after you voted for mala. Though I give Wolfy more credit. From day start he had two posts before his vote, one was a correction, and the first he asks Mala some questions while making a point to say that he is confused. If the momentum didn't swing toward mala, he could have backed off easily and played the new card some more.

I didn't want to be lynched.
Nope, not this game~
I'm not really fakeclaiming per say. Just fake breadcrumbing and there's a difference between the two. One is detrimental to the town and the second if it's done right indeed helps the town.
I never said fake claiming.

I just do not see the difference between fake claiming and fake "breadcrumbing".
I had never heard the term breadcrumbing and all I saw from that post was a claim that you had a PR.
The key word for me anyway is the word fake.

VOTE: malakittens

I really hate his reasons in his vote post. Keyword is fake? This is the first game you've seen the concept of breadcrumbing and you can't fathom a town motive to do it?

[Lucky2u]

Your reads are almost exactly opposite of mine.

=/

Opposite would be me you and Mala town. Everyone else scum read. (he didn't mention himself but I think red coyote is town reading himself). Clarify where the almost changes things.

[Lucky2u]

Mala and Insanity are my top town reads. Top scum read is wolfy. I don't think it makes sense for you and wolfy to be a team, so I'll have to look at Enomis and Antihero for a teammate.

[Lucky2u]

Woops, thought red coyote was asking me that question. Read the above as if I was talking to him.

[Lucky2u]

Uh... Isn't penguin the mod? Also, catching up tonight!

[Lucky2u]

@Lucky, why is enomis a scumread?

Happy birthday RedCoyote!

First, bye Enomis! Sorry you had to go

Wolfy kind of took this answer for me. Not sure why, but atleast he knows where I'm coming from! For the most part it is PoE. His slot is not a main suspect for me yet, as evidence of my current vote.

[Lucky2u]

So lemme ask you who's scum once you get my town flip.

If you flip town then I'd be looking at lucky and even possibly enomis's replacement (bearing in mind the reading ability you showed in that game's post 572!)

We're not in any rush - looking forward to input from the replacement.

Can I ask why those two slots? I'm asking because you phrased this as if Mala flipping

scum

makes me

not

the person you would look at. Which would be the opposite of what I would expect.

[Lucky2u]

Sorry egg, but I agree with anti here. The iso looked fake and you missing the claim is pretty damning.

VOTE: egg

[Lucky2u]

getting myself together again, brb

[Lucky2u]

Well my thinking is basically that as town, when you are generally looking for scum, a claim is something you would remember because you have had to have though about the possibility of it being fake. It's such an important factor in deciding your read on that person and whether you come to the decision that it's a town player or a scum player, that claim is at the top of things you associate with that player.

As scum you are pretty much just looking for things to cast doubt on a player, looking for anything to paint that player as a possible mislynch. The positive things can sometimes slip from your mind.

I feel like I'm not explaining myself clearly... any questions on what I'm trying to say here?

Antihero/Kalimar/Lucky, do you think scumEgg would've forgot my role claim given the fact that it's likely I was shot last night?

Because your claim explained why their kill failed? I suppose scum would paint a pretty big target on that person. Maybe I should have read this particular situation as null...

[Lucky2u]

ok, catching up, post to follow

[Lucky2u]

well that was shockingly easy to catch up on... It seems we have a mass claim going on here with potentially good information coming from Anti. I shall sit back and eat popcorn as I watch

[Lucky2u]

Since it seems like wolfy means me... I am Michaels Cuebid. Vanilla Townie. I think Insanity is the only unclaimed person?

[Lucky2u]

Lucky.

Posting in like an hour, I'm mobile.

[Lucky2u]

Why are we not doing a no lynch again? I thought that was the go to move for MiLo

@red what's up? You looking for my reads? I still think wolfy is scum, that's never changed.

[Lucky2u]

Um, it's pretty obv where I stand, tyvm.

You have not voted so I would disagree with it being obvious.

[Lucky2u]

prod dodge, actual post later

[Lucky2u]

sorry, the wind is a bit out of my sails here.

@Red In retrospect, my jumping on the Egg wagon was pretty terrible. I was a tad impulsive on that one. Since this game is only 20 pages long, I could probably stand to do some rereading. I still however believe a no lynch is the way to go today. Strategically it makes the most sense I think.

[Lucky2u]

as long as the vote is for lucky

seriously, that last post almost made me eat my keyboard

For future purposes, why exactly was that a bad post?

[Lucky2u]

once i gave you reason to think you might get lynched, suddenly a "no lynch" sounds good?

lol

You gave me a reason to think I might get lynched? When? People have been semi scum reading me for awhile. Pinpoint it for me.

[Lucky2u]

Why are we not doing a no lynch again? I thought that was the go to move for MiLo

So this post, 40 posts before that one, where I express my interest in a no lynch is what? Nothing? I didn't "suddenly" anything.

Next reason.

[Lucky2u]

I

still

however believe a no lynch is the way to go today. Strategically it makes the most sense I think.

Btw, keyword "still" should have deterred you making that conclusion.

[Lucky2u]

So this post, 40 posts before that one, where I express my interest in a no lynch is what? Nothing? I didn't "suddenly" anything.

2 ISO posts, but it's nice that your dilating time to suit your timeline

Btw, keyword "still" should have deterred you making that conclusion.

/belch

that makes it all the more nonsensical.

I meant 40 posts before yours. If it's 2 ISO posts ago, all the more reason you should have caught it. So why is it MORE nonsensical?

[Lucky2u]

EBWOP: not too late to just retract your vote and admit a mistake was made.

[Lucky2u]

Lol, so, in other words, everyone is scummy except for me and Antihero? In other words, despite 22 pages, you can't even manage to give us one townread that isn't a PR?

VOTE: Malakittens

Going against Antihero's block last night, but Mala is scum. There's just no way she would be so sheepish as town. I cannot believe that to be true. This entire game she's been far too ambivalent and meek. I'm pretty confident it's Mala/Lucky, but I think there's more of a possibility that I'm wrong about Lucky than I am wrong about Mala. If I'm wrong about Mala, I'll take the brunt of the criticism for the town loss and heap praise on the actual scumteam. My instinct and my analysis points to Mala. The only reason Mala was spared yesterday was for Mala/Lucky jumping at the chance to lynch townEgg yesterday.

Ok, I'll bite.

VOTE: mala

Since mala/lucky seems to be the popular opinion, lets go with this.

[Lucky2u]

[Lucky2u]

MOD: Please look at the succession of votes again. There was a hammer.

[Lucky2u]

well good game scum, go ahead wolfy.

[Lucky2u]

Oh and apparently I was wrong about wolfy or he would have hammered and won the game.

[Lucky2u]

*cough.*

VOTE: lucky

Scum hammer ^

Good game Mala. I take only partial responsibility for the town loss.

[Lucky2u]

Come on Mala, spoil it early for me. Who was your partner? It was insanity wasn't it?

[Lucky2u]

should have stuck with mala...

[Lucky2u]

UNVOTE: Malakittens
VOTE: Lucky2u

VOTE: lucky

This right here by the confirmed town players, this is victory being snatched right from our hands.

[Lucky2u]

LUCKY

i'm sorry.

you only wanted to be my friend.

you only wanted my love.


but i rejected you and only gave you rope instead.

i see the error of my ways, though. PLEASE TAKE ME BACK. I PROMISE TO BE GOOD.

...I can't stay mad at you.

COME HERE YOU BEAUTIFUL BEAST YOU!

[Lucky2u]

there is an easy fix for this Anti. Whenever we play together, just assume I'm town. Even if there is a cop guilty, he is insane. Lucky is always town.

[Lucky2u]

youre taking this well Red

[Lucky2u]

I admit, I've been playing worse than normal in all my games lately. Going to cut myself down to no more than 2 games at once and try to focus in.