Micro 329: Antihero UPick [GAME OVER]

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hi guys

Sup

vote: natirasha

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^

-muffin

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VOTE: Jiffy
I hear he's third party.


Hey AP! Who's your partner?

Snork

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I'm masons with varsoon

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I mean I have a gunsmith negative on varsoon

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We only need 2 more ppl to obvtowned and we're on cruise control for this game

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Gunsmith is a shitty cop knockoff

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We could make it fun by letting the lying cat out of the bag

I uh don't ur just town.

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You still aren't obvtown guyett. Keep going for the prize though.

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Get on tthat there are 2 spots left then we are randoquicklynching the remaining 4 ppl with lolz and wagons

Pedit ffffff

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I'm pretty town really.

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Drink guyett, drink.

Fuck if I know who Snork is.

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No you're not.
I was thinking of entertaining fake masons gambit, then realized it'd get us no where.

Good man. Don't entertain AP's nonsense.

@Guilty: How did you have results for an action on D1, though?

AP if any more words come pouring out your cunt mouth, I’m gonna have to eat every fucking chicken in this thread.

^ This is scum.

VOTE: Guyett

AP I'm on a quest from the government. I've vowed that Jingle will eat nothing but catfood until I know who Snork is.

I'm just Snork. I don't know why you think I'm a hydra. In a hydra. HYDRACEPTION!

Actually, the original reason I submitted the pick I drew was a bid to get a scum role PM. It would fit scum like a glove.

So you got what you submitted?

~Snork

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YOU'RE stoopid.

wtf is that anyway

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Also, if my poor brother starves to death or starts licking his butt it'll be on your head.

What does your brother have to do with this?

We didn't get what we submitted at all. At least I don't think so. I don't remember this one.

~Snork

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Also, if my poor brother starves to death or starts licking his butt it'll be on your head.

God that would be a useful talent to have.

Also F U for taking my first choice pick Beli. I took it cause the 1999 movie is fucking AWESOME. but now Im not that.

We only need 2 more ppl to obvtowned and we're on cruise control for this game

why do you need 2 more people to be obv. Town?

what do you mean by 2 MORE? Who in your list are already obv. Town?

Me, Varsoon, and Lying Cat are the townblock. Belisarius is quickly becoming a candidate for the 4th member. Once we have 5 people who are town we could just lynch the other 4 peeps in any order and win if the townblock is all town . Im just taking a fun approach to this game.

I assume there aren't any serious vote. If there are, do mention.

I thought Guyett was scummy-ish but didnt trust myself. Snork thinks he is so I guess our vote is p serious.

vote:guyett

for spamming this thread.

Ms Fritzle called, she wants her bus back.

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AP I'm on a quest from the government. I've vowed that Jingle will eat nothing but catfood until I know who Snork is.

Also lmao how did I not read this fully before. I want picture proof.

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Lol PN was on Snork and I's shortlist.
K, so we are hydra dissonancing on a few reads, but we generally agree on:

Town: Varsoon, Belisarius
Probably Town?: Majiffy for being a double voter? I think? Im a little paranoid about this one but Snork in his naiveness thinks Majiffy is obvtown for what happened. Meh.

The rest: Aronis, Lying Cat, Kabooom). On these I think neither of us really has an opinion on Aronis. I think LC is townish and Snork thinks Kabooom is townish. I personally want Kabooom dead today.

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How the fuck am I a townread when literally the only thing I've done is joke about flavour and say mine fits scum like a glove?

Because all you've done is joke about flavour?

Its p town.

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Why no posting?

Um.. yeah. But Varsoon all you posted was

Reheheheally?

Care to share your reads?

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So LC, what did you guys do last night?

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So LC, what did you guys do last night?

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I'm skeptical of everyone.
We need more than 5 pages.

So you have zero opinions?

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Ok... you seriously don't have a single town read at all....

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k.

VOTE: Aronis

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Actually..

UNVOTE:

for a second.

intresting..i want to you dead today too.

either way, night kill was good. I was going to tunnel PN anyway. I have played 3 games with bert and in all of them, he quick hammered some or the other player, irrespective of his alignment.

You know, I told AP I thought your posts showed newbtown zeal.

This entire post makes me want to scream.

First the OMGUS, then the unprompted NK commentary, followed by nonsensical pinings about how you were going to tunnel someone for doing something they've done in several games and is therefore alignment null. You even mentioned how it was alignment null

lol I think AP's right.

Majiffy, you missed this post. Kabooom was around before wagon went explodey and he even shows a little bitterness about the hammer here.

~Snork

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Ok I'll hammer but I'd like to hear his claim first before making that decision.

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I just finished a micro that went to night in 3 days and was over when N1 ended. Does cult vengeful even count as a game? 5 days, 6 pages, cult win. Was lame. I need to play more games...

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Er... 2+1+1=4.. Varsoon hammered. So nevermind -.- I wanted to hear what he claimed/results if any.

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Mind claiming your result too please?

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Guyett - 6 (Guilty Gunsmith, kabooooom, Majiffy, Guyett, Perpetual Nonsense)

How many people do you see on this wagon, Beli?

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wat

Aronis wat? Why would you lie if you thought you were dead but tell the truth when you find out you might not be?

That makes no sense.

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Dude.

Guyett was lynch resistant. He needed an extra vote to be lynched.

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The votecount next to his name even says 5 votes.

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With 4 people...

5 votes with 4 people.

Then 6 votes with 5 people.

Come on.

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Ok. The fact that he wasn't lynched until there were 6 votes on him doesn't say anything to you?

We're not talking about the role; we're talking about how many votes were counted against him.

The mod had 5 votes on Guyett with 4 names, and then 6 votes with 5 names. So one of the people on the wagon had an extra vote.

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Ergo, THIS

Jiffy's not an auto double-voter or Guyett would have been lynched without Bert's vote.

is ridiculous.

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Anyway, it's moot. We'll see on the next VC. If anything, this makes you more obvtown than ever, Belisaurus.

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LC, what are you thinking for scum? Do you agree with the Aronis lynch?

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Also it's been Snork here since post 109.

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Aronis

I really want you to explain your claim switching nonsense...

p-edit: Poke him now.

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WHOA... I think I just figured out what Varsoon is saying.

p-edit: oh a post.

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^ care to enlighten us? I don't speak Varsoon as far as I can tell.

Well, I'd like to hear Varsoon's response to your question; I think it's a really good one.

I haven't decided if it's better to share or keep it to myself for now. I'm gonna talk to AP and see what he thinks first.

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Why would a person lie with their "dying" breath as town? And then only say they're telling the truth after discovering they are not dead?

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Or maybe he knew it wasn't hammer.

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Where is Sthar?

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You're too slow bro. Hurry up.

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Yeah but your hydra partner doesn't tell me to eat dicks. You're more entertaining.

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It's not like there's a lot to catch up on, 2 and a half pages since start of D2, since I'm assuming you caught up on D1 over the night.

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k well stop replying to me and get back to it.

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Aronis

I really want you to explain your claim switching nonsense...

p-edit: Poke him now.

If I am dead: Create as much drama and confusion as possible.

If I have a chance at living: Try not to die.

What's the reasoning behind these choices? Why would you want to create confusion when you are about to flip anyway?

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Wow guys I spend like 24 hours with my BF and everything goes to shit. Keep calm and sheep AP.

P-edit: Hi Snark!!

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I see. That's kind of selfish if you ask me, since you're part of a team that depends on your posts after you die.

p-edit: Varsoon is town Sthar.

p-edit 2: maybe.

p-edit 3: stop that.

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What is the scum motivation there?

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And I don't see any protective protecting him.

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ok lets get to some important responses:

Sorry, AP, no licking my own butt. I'm not that flexible anymore.

You used to be that flexible??

intresting..i want to you dead today too.

Wow thats super interesting tell me more.

So LC, what did you guys do last night?

God damn it Snork I told you we were gonna slowroll this incriminating Tracker result on LC for fun.

After the flip, I checked all the votes and I find it highly unlikely that scum bussed,

Why is Kabooom town? Fake-edit: Ok, I see you said he could be scum. Also Guyett bussed himself p hard

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

GG unvoted.

Wagon is currently Majiffy, Belisarius, Varsoon.

Ok now you can be town for town-slipping about not realizing majiffy was a doublevoter. I think.

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Errr hm ok.

I think Varsoon and Majiffy are still town although a little unsure. I would like some clarification about their flavor or whether or not they were aware of each other or what cause Majiffy's vote on Guyett was acting like he WASNT a DV, but ok.

Belisarius is less of a townread right now than Varsoon/Majiffy/Cat I think but still leaning town on it. I think Aronis/kabooom has the scum would probably lynch one. I dont know what to think of Aronis's claim although still leaning towards last scum being kabooom i think.

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It forces scum to kill him, LC, which trumps all that other nonsense imo, and

I don't see any protective protecting him.

~Snork

p-edit: I tried.

k then let's get on with it.

p-edit: why?

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well whatever I don't even know if he's lynched or not. I'd rather lynch kaboom but I don't see that happening today and we have some room for error.

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You're kidding right?

VOTE: kaboooom

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Here's what I discussed with AP when thread closed:
why would scumVarsoon claim like that? 1) without prompting and 2) without subsequent relevance. it doesn't make sense. and it came with a vote so it meant something to him, which means he's trying to figure things out. kaboom was the second on the wagon and THEN it exploded. he didn't have time to jump off. majiffy double voted, guyett voted himself, and PN lolhammered.

(my reads:)
Jiffy, Beli, Varsoon are town.
LC is probably town.

Beli could be scum if kaboom is town. I think this is more likely than Varsoon.

So that's how it's gonna go. kaboom might as well be confscum for me, but if he flips town by some fucking astronomical chance, I'd be looking at Beli. However, at this moment, pretty much everyone else is a town read.

Oh yeah, and the other thing too, about the PN night kill - I didn't get to say in-thread before it closed, but the nightkill suggests pretty newbie scum revenge kill. I don't believe that seasoned scum players like Majiffy, Sthar8, or Belisaurus would have chosen to kill PN instead of leaving them for yesterday's lynchbait. Add to that his general attitude about it suggests he was upset Guyett got lynched so quickly, upset that PN hammered, upset he didn't get a chance to do anything about it.

So... yeah.

~Snork

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We acted. I think Snork submitted it at least I hope cause we talked about it.

Also basically thinking it's kaboom or varsoon.

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UNVOTE:

I submitted it AP.

Bodyguard forgot to protect last night? Meeeeh..... plus multiple use bodyguard? Meeeeeehhhhhh......

LC - whatcha got?

~Snork

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LC I know exactly why you think that - I had the same thought.

It's up to the mod regarding use of night action and night kill for the mafia, but even in Newbie games, if there's only one mafia left and he has a PR, he can submit an action for both his role and the factional kill.

I'm pretty sure you know that already, Beli.

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Isn't that a voyeur, not a watcher? Voyeur sees actions, watcher sees people, no?

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I was talking about kaboom's claim. What do you think about Varsoon's claim(s)?

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I told Snork I must be in a good mood cause I just feel like calling everyone town.

I think Cat is town. Their play + the plan just seems fairly intricate to be from scum.
We're conftown then barring us being a ninja (we arent).
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That is leaving Beli, Varsoon, Kaboom and I need to sort those in my head.

As much as I like "the plan" I wanna get this right today. And Im waffling right now.

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K so in a shocking turn of events, I think Belisarius is scum.

LC's role + crumbs + plan looks to legit to be scum.
Varsoon's claim also looks p-town including his reaction to majiffy dying. Also just feels like lost town, meh.
Kaboom.......idk like several of his posts make me want to vomit. Could be scum. I dont understand his Varsoon vote at all and he should clarify that. But my gut wants to believe hes town for some reason.

Belisarius. Few things I dont like, going back. The "how can you think Im town?!" is not really town motivated ime. Also him pulling up the Lover wiki page to argue that Guyett wasnt +1 vote to lynch was ???

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Too lazy to hydra. Why are Snork and I conftown?

LC's plan breaks down if Beli is scum.

So.. if Beli is scum, then what?

quoting slips.

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Let me see if I understand this master plan.

LC tracks you, Varsoon protects LC.

If you're tracked to a kill, autolynch you and we win.
If LC dies, lynch Varsoon.
If we die, and LC tracks you nowhere, lynch Varsoon.
If no one dies... ?? Decide between you and Varsoon.
If LC receives no result?

And what if LC is scum?

~Snork

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Because kaboom said he did...

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Varsoon, we thought you were Majiffy's enabler, i.e., enabling his double voter ability.

Can you explain your role/ability a little clearer please?

Then what was the enabler bit? I'm confused.

Slipping like a penguin; my bad.

When I voted, I thought that I was putting the wagon at L-1
Therefore, enabling the hammer.
Does that make sense?

*sigh*

Ok. That's kind of silly. Why didn't you just say it was L-1?

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Because he's not an automaton?

???

Because "I'm an enabler" is such a common way of calling out L-1. He could totally expect others to understand and not have their reads affected by what they might think is a claim of some sort. It's actually extremely townie to confuse and obfuscate the gamestate. [/sarcasm]

I don't see the town motivation in being cryptic here. Do you?

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You're being weird. I will be discussing with AP and return later.

But right now, this
VOTE: Varsoon
is a great start.

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ooo OMGUS. Good stuff.

We are conftown cuz 1 scum left, a death occurred night 1 and we were tracked nowhere.

lol... caught scum is caught.

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Yes, if we were a ninja, LC would receive no result. If LC were blocked, he would receive no result.

He received a result:

Too lazy to hydra. Why are Snork and I conftown?

We tracked you night one and

you visited no one

.

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you shouldn't be pushing me.

Why not?

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You need to wait. LC is not the only one working on something.

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Understood.

Not long, it's just I need a chance to cross paths with AP and then collab with LC.

you shouldn't be pushing me.

Why not?

Because I'm town and lynching me doesn't net us much info at all.

"Because I'm town" is not a reason I can trust at this moment.

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After the flip, I checked all the votes and I find it highly unlikely that scum bussed,

Aronis was town. Varsoon avoided the thread. Plus the NK distancing on BOTH D2 and today.

Anyone wanna tell me where Varsoon was D1 and D2 other than avoiding RVS and posting a hammer vote after it was already confirmed Majiffy was a double voter and then feigning ignorance today?

Add to this his reaction to our vote today and defense of "but I'm town" which doesn't match his reaction to being pushed from Anti's last game which all of you were in.

His bodyguard claim is nonsense. Kaboom's reaction post is townie as shit.

You all need to go compare his play here to his play in the other game.

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You conveniently "forgot" to protect the person we were all talking about needing protection even though you remembered to use it N1. Bullshit.

Varsoon is scum and this game is solved.

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Yes. That's a townie response.

In Antihero Reboot, you flipped the fuck out, attacked everyone, raged. To the point you decided to replace out.

Here, you "yawn".

Rather than questioning our alignment, our motives, or searching the thread of other evidence, pushing your own reads, sharing your thoughts on the situation, you..... self vote.

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Oh and let's add appeal to fear as well.

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Well, you're not scum, or at least, I can't push you as scum because people will believe any claim without much more than a second guess.
I want to trust LC, although the methodological tracker-confirming-town and auto-win strategies both cry scum to me. I don't have a good case beyond paranoia, though, and because of LC's positioning, people would pile on me in a 1v1.
I don't trust Beli, but due to Beli's claim and positioning, once again, I'd be voted out in a 1v1 scenario.
This only leaves Kaboom, who I could push, but then that'd be seen as opportunistic, and besides, that's where everyone is trying to direct me today, so I'm hesitant to do that.

So yeah, I will self vote, because maybe town will perform better in LYLO if I'm not around to muck it up.

Sounds like you've thought this out. Why is it about who you COULD vote, and not about who YOU WANT to vote? See, that's a stark distinction.

Let's break it down.

I can't push you as scum because people will believe any claim without much more than a second guess.

You think we're scum but won't push it because people wouldn't follow you.

I want to trust LC, although the methodological tracker-confirming-town and auto-win strategies both cry scum to me. I don't have a good case beyond paranoia, though, and because of LC's positioning, people would pile on me in a 1v1.

You think LC is scum but won't push that because people would think you're scummy.

I don't trust Beli, but due to Beli's claim and positioning, once again, I'd be voted out in a 1v1 scenario.

You think Beli is scum, but won't push that because people would think you're scummy.

This only leaves Kaboom, who I could push, but then that'd be seen as opportunistic, and besides, that's where everyone is trying to direct me today, so I'm hesitant to do that.

You think kaboom is scum, but won't push that because people would think you're scummy.

See... the motivation here seems to be which action would seem the least scummy and NOT which action would further a town wincon (i.e. lynching scum).

You have a distinct lack of real reads. You've been absent for pretty much both days, and most of today until I started pushing you.

You were content allowing us to formulate a plan that involved lynching kaboom, knowing LC would be tracking someone else, knowing there were holes in his plan that you could sneak through.

Kill us, and you 1v1 with Beli tomorrow.
No kill, and we're in the same position, minus kaboom.

The evidence is piling up against you, and you're doing everything EXCEPT what a townie would be doing right now.

p-edit: Sarcasm? Really?

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Why does it take an attack to get you to post?

What makes my attitude self-righteous? I'm questioning you and giving my opinion of your statements. I'm also the only one pushing you - beli doesn't want to lynch you, LC doesn't want to lynch you, kaboom is V/LA.

And no, at this point, your main concern should be ferreting out the last scum - not worrying about avoiding a lynch.

--- and now that I think about, I believe you already hammered yourself, cuz I think kaboom was voting you.

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Yeah... he was.

us
LC
beli
kaboom
you..

that's 5 people, 3 to lynch.

We haven't had a VC all day... -.-

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It's not my responsibility to engage you in the TOWN DISCUSSION. It's your responsibility to be engaged.