Micro 352 - Chosen Mafia Game Over

[NicCage]

Was that just for funsies porkens or did something give you a reason to think xay was scum?

[NicCage]

Was that just for funsies porkens or did something give you a reason to think xay was scum?

What difference does that make?

Not a lot, you're probably town regardless of motivation. But still I'd like to know

[NicCage]

Yeah spill the beans man
Drop those beans all over the floor

[NicCage]

I

don't think my question was pointless.
What's town about Oka's reaction porkens?

[NicCage]

I wasn't referencing the hammer Lia, I was referencing all these FOS posts made by everyone.

I guess, I dunno if scum would necessarily keep quiet since they would think the game was over.
I disagree with your Oka read.
Scarab is town

[NicCage]

I wasn't referencing the hammer Lia, I was referencing all these FOS posts made by everyone.

Oka, can you explain this?

[NicCage]

What don't you like about Lia?

[NicCage]

Lia wtf

[NicCage]

Fuck you porkens

Why did you vote xay?

[NicCage]

IDK and LIA, what possible difference could my motivation make? Help me understand or help me lynch this thing.

It matters because if someone were to lynch their partner right away it would be pretty easy for them to ride that the rest of the game.

[NicCage]

So how do I know you're not doing that? I could see you as scum since you're fine with the pace this game is going

[NicCage]

I'm not looking for 100% assurance, I just want information. There's a chance that your explanation could sound phony. Even if it didn't could help me get an opinion of your character, especially if I had more to compare it with than 5 pages.
Although, I guess that question doesn't really matter now since we've built up all of these important things to talk about, right?

[NicCage]

Porkens
You were somewhat suspicious of Lia before for fluff posting. Is it safe to assume that's no longer true?
Has your read on idk changed?

[NicCage]

Lia, what is it that bothers you about Oka's day 2 play?
Don't you think it's unlikely that scum would hammer their own partner?

[NicCage]

It's looking that way.
She's so bold though, I would think new scum who's partner just got shit on would be more timid.

[NicCage]

I'm calling you new because I can read your join date and it used to say goon under your name, I was just assuming.
Why would you assume I'm buddying you though lol, I actually think you're scum, it's just that the way you're playing seems unusual to me. Personally I wouldn't have rushed to a hammer yesterday like you did, as town or scum.

So Lia, who's the scum? Is it me? Porkens? Oka? We can't all be scum you know

[NicCage]

What do you think of Lia's comments on your d2 play? Why aren't you responding to her?

[NicCage]

Are you just going to sit and wait for people to ask you questions? That sounds like the timid scum I had envisioned earlier
She's calling you scum, she's said why. Do you have a response to her accusations? Do you understand them? Do they seem reasonable to you?

[NicCage]

Cause he probably isn't following the game and I know you are. He hasn't picked up his prod yet, he might end up getting replaced. I'll get on him if/when he gets back.
Anyway I'm helping you, I'm not mad at you.
Could you point to something that has made Lia seem town to you?
Is porkens your top scum read right now?

[NicCage]

Sorry, free time has been at a premium. I'll be more active shortly. Also looking forward to hearing from RedCoyote

[NicCage]

Nic, we apparently have a lot we agree upon. How confident are you that Porkens is town? What do you think about the Xay wagon in general? Do you agree with my point that Lia hammered Scarab in a strange and scummy manner. If so, do you want to add anything to that? If not, why am I wrong?

Porkens is almost certainly town, I think his reasoning for hammering Xay is very believable, and it's super unlikely that anyone would hammer their partner like that.

The Xay wagon doesn't tell me much really. I like what you said about Oka's idea that scum is probably off the wagon. At the time it made me more suspicious of Oka, I thought that it was more likely that the other scum had jumped in on the wagon just to be a part of the RVSing almost everyone else was doing. But that was just a small hunch.

I definitely agree that Lia's hammer was strange and scummy. It doesn't make sense to hammer that quickly without first questioning Scarab, especially considering he was a townread, however weak. I don't think idk's case was that strong, or strong at all. If you're looking for a potential counterargument I would say that Lia is inexperienced and in this environment where quicklynching is accepted she thought it would be okay to lynch scarab since porkens was on the wagon and was advocating that we lynch somebody. However, that could contribute to scum-Lia's decision aswell, which is what I think is the case.
I can't add anything to this specific instance, but Lia's:

Are you saying that he would deliberately get his partner lynched before the game had barely begun? I know bussing is a thing but that doesn't make sense.

Directly contradicts these posts:

I hammered xyl or whatever his name was partly because his response to being at L-1 felt scummy, especially the random.org comment. He was distancing himself for a stance as hard as possible.

So why didn't you wait to give us a chance to see who his partner was? Didn't you want to risk it?

Don't you think it's unlikely that scum would hammer their own partner?

Not really if it's to their advantage. Unlikely in the way it was done here, yes, but wouldn't that be a good reason for doing it? If he thought Xay was being too obviously scummy, he could well have thought it better to just cut his losses and get rid of a liability.[/quote]

So Lia, what changed your mind between these posts?

Also, Red, you asked where my vote is, and it isn't anywhere because I didn't want to see anyone get lynched until I had a handle on everyone's positions.

[NicCage]

Porkens, in the setup page it says the mafia know who's chosen, but during pre-game they get to veto one player from being chosen.

[NicCage]

Intent to hammer

[NicCage]

Let's see what's behind door #3
VOTE: Lia

[NicCage]

I'm leaning Oka

Prod Dodge/

I actually agree with Lia...

What did you agree with?

[NicCage]

That scarab lynch was sort of shitty considering Porkens thought he was town. I don't think scum would be hugely concerned about whether or not they lynched a chosen townie depending on who the two chosen were. If porkens was scum I don't think he would have been overly concerned about Lia. I don't think Lia being chosen was a big factor in her lynch.

What interests me, Oka, is that you're going after Porkens and not me. Why am I not suspicious to you?
It seems to me like a RedCoyote kill benefits you more than Porkens, because reading Red's posts, you would never come to the conclusion that he would change his mind about Porkens. Also Red was probably scary to you, judging by how little you interacted with him even though he rolled out the red carpet. I wouldn't think Porkens would kill Red if he were scum, he would kill me or you since we've expressed suspicions against him.

[NicCage]

Hopefully I won't have to repeat that line.
I don't know what else there is to talk about so I'm just going to roll the dice.
All praise to Melmond for speedy lynch scenes
VOTE: Oka

[NicCage]

Yay!
GG everyone, I had fun even though it was a pretty low content game.
One thing I gotta know though, Oka why didn't you kill porkens right away?

[NicCage]

I did think about it, especially with porkens quoting me lol