In post 296, Nazarene wrote:Xay can you indeed catch up and please tell me your townread on pants has gone away?
Nope.
It's still there.
VOTE: Maru
Since I didn't do that the last time I was here.
I'm just about sick and tired of seeing just EVERYBODY go "pants is scum", and not even TRY to explain it. Pants has explained his thought process, but I don't think I've come across ONE substantial post adding to the Pants case.
I still don't fucking see it, and apparently NOBODY cares enough to detail that to me.
In post 269, Maruchan wrote:
Note the first quote, where he specifically mentions how selfvoting gambit helps him get a read on the two people in his group *because he'd played with them before*
Then in the second he says the selfvote was *completely independant of who was in his group* so it would help him get a read on people he HADN'T played with before.
I'm confused
which is it?
the theory is independent of who is in my group. the decision to do it was based on the fact that I have played with almost the entire player list
I dont get why this is an issue
HI
YES
THANK YOU
IT ISN'T AN ISSUE AT ALL
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PANTS-SCUM, WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS? I DON'T GET IT
Are you just trying to pile mindless suspicion on him for no decent reason?
Now I am going to wait here until SOMEONE comes around and tells me what's so scum motivated in Dr Pants' posts right now, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.
Because he's detailing his thoughts clearly, he's got nothing to hide
Maru has explain nothing
Maru 180'd shitsplit fast, and I don't think has even replied me since I was last here. Mostly her iso has been this dumbtunnel on pants that doesn't even seem to develop the read that much
Pants is actively interacting with players inside and outside of his group
@Xay:
Dr Pants has just been overly 'look at me being town', as evidenced in posts 263191. He hasn't actually done anything useful after helping this game out of RVS and has applied shit towntells/scumtells, as in 91 and the one on maru.
But most of all, everything he has done seems too deliberately thought out. Not in a town way. Even if his thought process is stable, it's one hard to follow and one that just feels made up beforehand.
I don't get what you're saying about maru, elaborate.
Meh salamence you were stupid and aggressive and incontrol in our last game and I don't see any of that here.
How are you confused?
Also why are you voting espresso if you think he's town? You seem to be slipping in the same way espresso did himself *shrug* I hate scumslips.
P-edit: sala wtf are you trying to say re espresso?
-Tier
Because you are saying I am controlling and more focused in this game, which I admit is more of a scumtell for me, but since this is like a Lylo version of mafia, I'm not trying to be rash.
Now I already said why I am voting espresso, because if he is town, someone will WIFOM him tomorrow ("The fact he slipped should be a reason he is scum"). And if he is scum, he legitimately slipped, which clears AC and I. I do not know his alignment
Idk I think I'm okay with espresso now
I would be happy with some input from A on this topic
-Tier
Well I'm pretty sure I've scumread myself before too.
I mean:
Salamence20 wrote:Because you are saying I am controlling and more focused in this game, which I admit is more of a scumtell for me, but since this is like a Lylo version of mafia, I'm not trying to be rash.
In post 309, Nazarene wrote:@Xay:
Dr Pants has just been overly 'look at me being town', as evidenced in posts 263191. He hasn't actually done anything useful after helping this game out of RVS and has applied shit towntells/scumtells, as in 91 and the one on maru.
But most of all, everything he has done seems too deliberately thought out. Not in a town way. Even if his thought process is stable, it's one hard to follow and one that just feels made up beforehand.
Pointing this out: you say the only helpful thing I've done was getting the game out of RVS, but then you those particular posts as evidence of me being scum. I've said repeatedly that people can challenge my thought process if they think its screwy. That's why I tell everyone why I'm doing what I'm doing. If you think my argument for scum Maru is bad then you need to tell me why, because otherwise I'm going to assume my thought process is correct.
You can do something scummy that is at the same time useful.
I see no reasons for maru scumread other than: 'read was forced'. That's not saying much, is there more to it?
I mostly see PoE of xayzeck for playing your little game with you which is not worth a towntell.
Anyway, I'm not really interested in arguing with you, that post was for xay mostly.
-Tier
The Heads of the Hydra think that sns is a better vote than NM. The Heads' current townread on NM is due to his going against others' setup ideas and just doing what everyone didn't want him to do, i.e. he is not particularly concerned with his image. He also resisted pressure for quick decisions/scumhunting and has gone at his own pace. And was
casual
about it. Again, does not seem to care too much about being lynched because he thinks we are both town in a way that the Heads feel is genuine. This Head particularly likes his incisive questions, e.g. 181 and 258. This Head strongly prefers more active players, so this Head does expect NM to start producing more substantial content/solid reads and reasons.
The Heads differ slightly on sns. This Head thinks that he is straight-up scummy. The other Head is simply townreading him less than NM currently.
My particular concerns/questions are below:
Spoiler:
In post 190, snscompt1 wrote:I agree with pants though. Espresso, that post was ridiculously scummy lol. But then again townies make the scummiest posts.
This seems like pushing for a mislynch outside of the group while covering his butt when espresso flips town. This is especially true given sns' vacillation concerning espresso in the rest of the game.
Compare to 299, where espresso's posts may now come from town, conveniently after my other Head provided pushed against the hasty espresso scumslip scumreads (298).
In post 198, snscompt1 wrote:Cant explain right now. As long as someone gives intent to hammer, I will explain then. For now, NM dies. Just trust me for a bit. I will explain before the day ends.
What possible reason is there to delay an explanation? I always find playing coy scummy, especially when it does not involve a roleclaim. Plus, this feels like a bad justification for voteparking, given that the justification was clearly present at the beginning of the day but we will obviously not hear about it until the day is going to end imminently.
In post 299, snscompt1 wrote:Lolz. I slipped too. We're all scum. Maybe it really was just writing mistakes on Espresso's part. Hm.
The Heads initially thought that sns was perhaps buddying NM by increasingly townreading him, but given the persistent vote and the explanation-to-come, that does not seem likely. That made my other Head feel better about sns, as did his explanation in 288. I remain unconvinced, so there remains some dissonance. Regardless, both Heads agree that sns is the better lynch for today.
