Micro 393: 2012 Primary Mafia (Game Over)

AxleGreaser · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:09 pm

Spoiler: pregame solo banter from wiki

Note: This is not a hydra.

Spoiler: preamble

I have a dream that one day this game will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all townies are created equal." But for now one townie is more equal than others.
Friends, Scummers, forummen, lend me your votes;
I come to nominate AxleGreaser, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
Do not let that be with Greaser.

We hold these truths to be self evident
“Stop the scum”

The man to stop the scum is Axlegreaser
<stands back as Axle walks up to the podium>

Axle:

<trips, Lands on face>
<gets back up dishevelled, with fist full of papers.>

<tap tap tap>
We start

bombing

lynching in 5 minutes.

vote: SleepyCrew

Spoiler: after party

Spoiler: technical query @everyone

in other news.

I am specifically not voting for ArcAngel9
and ignoring some other people

Also currently not claiming stuff.
Not against just dont yet know if its sensible idea.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:13 pm

Oh and we got the SK to L-2

Not L-1 but as its early I thought I better point it out.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:41 pm

In post 11, SleepyKrew wrote:Please never make a post like that again
Also there are no drawbacks to flavor claiming and there are potential benefits (which I will explain after everyone does it because explaining beforehand would defeat the purpose)

As I had fun writing it while I was bored and waiting for the game, then I probably will or might make a similar post next game.
We are however currently playing the game so I hope to be busy doing that I expect future posts in this game to be usually different.

I dont know there are no draw backs to a flavour claim. I am not sure how you could know there are none.
I cant see the benefit but understand you may think there are some.

You may even be right, and it may benefit your win condition.

so I will set my answer at not just yet.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #26 (isolation #3) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:46 pm

In post 12, SleepyKrew wrote:Are you concerned about me being at L-2, Axl?

considering that I put you there, no.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #27 (isolation #4) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:57 pm

In post 15, Whooch wrote:Do not fear, for ho is here!

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Does anyone want to put him at L-1?

but I am concerned by misleading posts

unvote: SleepyKrew

AxleGreaser · Post Post #139 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:14 am

Not sure if I am worried by this.

One Sequence of events

In post 118, SleepyKrew wrote:Okay I'll try to clear this up in one go:

[Event 1]
I originally expected the scum to not be Republicans.

[Event 2]
I then saw Aronis slip and believe him to be Palin.
Palin as town doesn't make sense, because she didn't run.
This led me to believe that scum are Republicans that didn't run.

Still confused?

A different sequence of events.

In post 122, SleepyKrew wrote:No. I am pushing him because he scumslipped.
[Event 2]
I began my setup spec about fakeclaims
after

[Event 1]
he scumslipped,
because
he scumslipped.

I dont mind mistakes. Being wrong, or even making an error, does not make you scum.

Being wrong about I did A

because

B is slightly more worrying as town you ought be an expert in why you do things.

@SleepyKrew

Care to comment or clarify?

AxleGreaser · Post Post #140 (isolation #6) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:37 am

In post 106, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 103, SleepyKrew wrote:Talk me through how you reached your conclusion.

After you explained Aronis's slip a second time it made sense to me.
Aronis's pm gambit (I may be using that word wrong here but basically 78) didn't help. Like, there's no way in hell a mod would say yes to that and I'm pretty sure he knew it.

But then post 93 comes along and it just screams "I totally made this shit up but someone other than me needs to be lynched so if people won't buy the slip one way maybe they'll buy it another way."

But this is too elaborate to really feel like a bus for me. So it's one or the other.

WAT.

There exist four possibilities. SS(bus) TS(SK caught Ar) ST(SK is railroading Ar) TT(Its a situation normal all fucked up)
In no way have you explained
Why if Aronis is Town (who really didnt recognise the photo he got) then Sk must be scum.

Why cant Sk be town who just thought it made sense that Ar was scum?

Surely that is plausible to you?

You after all are 100% certain this theory of SKs makes sense to a towny, because you say it made sense to you....
Flubbernugget: "

After you explained Aronis's slip a second time it made sense to me.

"

I take it you are 100% certain you are town.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #141 (isolation #7) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:53 am

In post 31, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 26, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 12, SleepyKrew wrote:Are you concerned about me being at L-2, Axl?

considering that I put you there, no.

Good answer.

Interesting aka good question

In post 27, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 15, Whooch wrote:Do not fear, for ho is here!

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Does anyone want to put him at L-1?

but I am concerned by misleading posts

unvote: SleepyKrew

This post is missing a vote.

Well no it isn't missing a vote.
To be missing a vote it would have to be post that was meant to have a vote and didnt.

it doesn't have a vote and it was meant not to. (purposefully absent)
but at that time I didn't think that wagon warranted nor required an extra vote, the point was made.
Too many cooks spoil the broth, the thread was going in enough directions driven by enough people to be interesting.

However, your Aronis thing has stopped being as interesting for me.
and Whooch hasnt come back.
Its one thing for ArcAngel9 (a single person) to absent as per usual...
Whooch is a Hydra.. How neither is available, and went to ground is yet more worrying than the original post alone.
It almost like they are hoping it will just away if they ignore it.

VOTE: Whooch

@Whooch

Come and explain this post to me...

In post 15, Whooch wrote:Do not fear, for ho is here!

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Does anyone want to put him at L-1?

AxleGreaser · Post Post #143 (isolation #8) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:24 am

In post 142, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 140, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 106, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 103, SleepyKrew wrote:Talk me through how you reached your conclusion.

After you explained Aronis's slip a second time it made sense to me.
Aronis's pm gambit (I may be using that word wrong here but basically 78) didn't help. Like, there's no way in hell a mod would say yes to that and I'm pretty sure he knew it.

But then post 93 comes along and it just screams "I totally made this shit up but someone other than me needs to be lynched so if people won't buy the slip one way maybe they'll buy it another way."

But this is too elaborate to really feel like a bus for me.
So it's one or the other
.

WAT.

There exist four possibilities. SS(bus) TS(SK caught Ar) ST(SK is railroading Ar) TT(Its a situation normal all fucked up)
In no way have you explained
Why if Aronis is Town (who really didnt recognise the photo he got) then Sk must be scum.

Why cant Sk be town who just thought it made sense that Ar was scum?

Surely that is plausible to you?

You after all are 100% certain this theory of SKs makes sense to a towny, because you say it made sense to you....
Flubbernugget: "
After you explained Aronis's slip a second time it made sense to me.
"

I take it you are 100% certain you are town.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I unvoted for SK after we talked about what he was doing.

I take the statement Flubbernugget:

So it's one or the other

to be you claiming that one of SK and Aronis is scum, either Aronis for slipping or Sk for ?

So yes you did unvote but continued to sow the ground of one or the other is scum. (and sowed it with BS)

Do you stand by your argument that it is one or the other?

Spoiler: previous time you tested the waters on that

AxleGreaser · Post Post #144 (isolation #9) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:31 am

In post 125, theaceofspades wrote:i'm not a republican. Just saying.

Are you claiming that about your, role in the game
or a statement about meat space.

Dont like ambiguity, also don't like waiting to see how the ground lies.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #146 (isolation #10) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:56 am

My bad.

Spoiler: post with an oopsie

In post 143, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 142, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 140, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 106, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 103, SleepyKrew wrote:Talk me through how you reached your conclusion.

After you explained Aronis's slip a second time it made sense to me.
Aronis's pm gambit (I may be using that word wrong here but basically 78) didn't help. Like, there's no way in hell a mod would say yes to that and I'm pretty sure he knew it.

But then post 93 comes along and it just screams "I totally made this shit up but someone other than me needs to be lynched so if people won't buy the slip one way maybe they'll buy it another way."

But this is too elaborate to really feel like a bus for me.
So it's one or the other
.

WAT.

There exist four possibilities. SS(bus) TS(SK caught Ar) ST(SK is railroading Ar) TT(Its a situation normal all fucked up)
In no way have you explained
Why if Aronis is Town (who really didnt recognise the photo he got) then Sk must be scum.

Why cant Sk be town who just thought it made sense that Ar was scum?

Surely that is plausible to you?

You after all are 100% certain this theory of SKs makes sense to a towny, because you say it made sense to you....
Flubbernugget: "
After you explained Aronis's slip a second time it made sense to me.
"

I take it you are 100% certain you are town.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I unvoted for SK after we talked about what he was doing.

I take the statement Flubbernugget:
So it's one or the other

to be you claiming that one of SK and Aronis is scum, either Aronis for slipping or Sk for ?

So yes you did unvote but continued to sow the ground of one or the other is scum. (and sowed it with BS)

Do you stand by your argument that it is one or the other?

Spoiler: previous time you tested the waters on that
In post 100, Flubbernugget wrote:So either one of SK or Aroinis are scum.

Thoughts?

correction
after this vote you did not continue to sow the seed on one or the other argument.

In post 123, Flubbernugget wrote:Gotcha.

UNVOTE:

I still dont like that you were describing the situation as "one or the other" as thats a false dichotomy that is appealing to scum motivated players
If you are scum then anytime you can get thread atmosphere to be that one or the other contenders of an argument is scum (aka it must be one or the other) then the game gets easy.

If one had claimed a known to be unique role and the other had CC'd then (reasonably) one or the other must be scum
all you had was two weak arguments. (Well for the time of day the case on Aronis was Ok)

AxleGreaser · Post Post #147 (isolation #11) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:06 am

In post 145, Aronis wrote:
In post 138, TierShift wrote:Aronis is terribly defensive and doesn't scumhunt because he's being attacked.

Phok is filling in for SK but SK is buddying him in return.
Taos found an awful reason to be on the wagon.
Whooch was stupid early game.

Guys I heard mildly bastard not 5 scum

I already found scum. [sleepykrew]

Now that post is missing a vote:

Also when you wrote this post

In post 132, Aronis wrote:
In post 129, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 127, Flubbernugget wrote:Please don't tell me that was all for naught -_-

? He can link to literally any picture he wants. I'm not really sure what his plan was with posting the picture in the first place. Seemed like desperation.
I just hope my effort on you wasn't for naught.

So any attempt to defend myself is going to be classified as flailing? Wtf is wrong with you?

To me
You clearly didnt really believe he was scum then, Other wise there would be nothing 'wrong' with him at all.

So explain to the case that developed after that.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #148 (isolation #12) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:14 am

EBWOP
So explain to >me< the case that developed after that.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #169 (isolation #13) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:37 am

In post 153, SleepyKrew wrote:The only thing I disagree with about Axle is that the Aronis case is weak. It's a
scumslip
for Reagan's sake.

You can call it a scum slip and he really can be scum, that doesn't make it an actual scum slip.

In post 165, TierShift wrote:But not having fakeclaims stinks.

I suspect it does not stink if you in no way need a fake claim. AKA you got a PM just like a standard townies PM except it said your are a scum Goon.

Id suspect it stinks if the flavor (gets too tied up in the mechanic, and who you are was alignment indicative.) Unlike Rick (SK) my setup spec had that as quite unlikely.
Hence as my view of setup spec was so VERY different to Sks my view of SKs case was weak.
We could argue about that

but self hammer, kind of makes it all moot.

Now we get to see if he is a death godfather (flips town but thought he was scum...) (Remebering Its bit bastard)

AxleGreaser · Post Post #174 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:52 am

In post 152, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 138, TierShift wrote:
Really liking Axle.

Awe Shucks I have always liked you too, but in a manly way.
I dont get excited by hot manly sweating bodies pulsating and throbbing.

Also FYI: the reason I voted you in what other people call RVS was because I expected to get a read early.

In post 167, SleepyKrew wrote:I think Whooch's L-1 thing was scummy as fuck.
Flub because he only voted Aronis to appease Axle.

Re: Whooch
yeah scummy as fuck but dumb shit happens too. Its pattern of scummy as fuck I want to see.
hence the vote, the going to ground and playing ostrich was bad.

Re: Flub
yeah that was weird.
I need to reread what happened.
You say to appease me? I wasn't pushing that hard?
After all I had voted Whooch, quizzed you about a funny change of order in what caused you to do what 139
and he suddenly decides to put his vote back on one his " one of these two is scum reads"
I didnt follow that train of thought and where it naturally came from (see ferrylt(spelling sorry) trajectory)

AxleGreaser · Post Post #421 (isolation #15) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:36 pm

In post 419, Flubbernugget wrote:It can't be that stupid if it worked.

In post 420, SleepyKrew wrote:No he's right.

yes and no.

If SKs play is

never

made by scum. Then it a pseudo trust tell to push like that, as a real towny, and if the guy flips scum then you are an effective innocent child.
(Its a bit like chese plays in some online games are legit strategies that force the other guy to be honest, and devote some resources to scouting to verify you are not doing a cheese.)
(If they don't scout, you punish by cheesing.)
(If towns read to much (oo hes town) into a D1 lynched scum play, then when scum you should punish that error in site/forum meta)

That people townread play such as SKs D1 play, when it lynches and flips a scum, when it could just be TMI,
is why this makes it viable as a really really occasional scum strategy.

The biggest strategic problem with it is, how the hell does SK explain not getting nk'd all game.

he goes from someone who single handedly lynched scum as town D1, to someone who gives so little shits he plays so laid back that scum no longer see the need to kill him even though his D1 play makes him pseudo confirmed town?

It is very hard to plausibly live to Lylo, once you have stood out on D1 like that.
While I was spoiled in the dead QT, SKs play went round rather sharp bend at the start of d2.

So in terms of deserving a win, negotiating that U turn in play without getting lynched, does it for me.

GG.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #424 (isolation #16) » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:07 pm

In post 422, SleepyKrew wrote:Oh was dead thread released?

re balance as discussed in the dead thread.
My intention (pregame and then in game)
if i had lived would have been to approach the game as if it was mountainous. (Which as it happened, I was a VT would have been easy)
7of9 mountainous is, if people play, only hard, not IMBA.
And then treat anything that fell out of roles, as being asbestos gloves handle with care material,
(AKA: Even if I town read the guy with the role and the claim and the result... its can still be BS because bastard.)
and wed be back at just fine for balance.

ta for the game GM. twas brief (for me) but fun.