Micro 417: <Everyone is Against Me?!> GAME OVER

[Oscar Wilde]

Vote: mandytastykitty3

Insert crude joke here.

[Oscar Wilde]

If you're voting me then maybe you're the one who needs a bit of training.

[Oscar Wilde]

VOTE: Oscar Wilde

For insulting soc's skill to undermine soc's vote on OW.

Please could everyone set an avatar? Makes the game way more readable.

It was a joke.
Vote train... vote training... get it?

I dislike the votes on Hulk. You do realize that he likely decided on that post before he even opened his role PM right?

[Oscar Wilde]

Yeah, I got the joke. But it was a scummy joke.

[Oscar Wilde]

If you dislike the votes on Hulk, does that mean you find someone else more likely scum? Who?

It makes the Hulk voters ever-so-slightly more likely to be scum.
But it could just as easily not matter at all.
atm my favourite scumspect is string, for *reasons*.

[Oscar Wilde]

I should mention that this account is the only hydra in this game, but that my partner (let's call her Olivia) hasn't posted yet.

[Oscar Wilde]

What do you mean "trying too hard"? Is "trying too hard" something scum do more than town? If so, why?

I get the feeling you don't often roll scum.

[Oscar Wilde]

i'm not really liking duality. post 48 really doesn't say anything - it's kinda just jumping in to team up on ANO, with mandy. and duality conveniently already has an rvs vote on him.

plus the repeating of sentiment that hulk should post more than hulk smash stuff, after string already made mention of that.

~olivia head

also as a side note - i didn't get mandy's post #26. why did you see he needed to relax? he didn't seem mad

[Oscar Wilde]

@Duality, I'll do that as soon as you start giving your reads and actually doing something for a change and stop pestering me.

^this is a decent response. it's true he's not giving reads out

[Oscar Wilde]

see=say in post 66

[Oscar Wilde]

VOTE: duality

[Oscar Wilde]

Guys
I think stringcheese might be scum.

[Oscar Wilde]

^Intentionally lame post from phone, will post more tonight at like 8pm pst or so.

[Oscar Wilde]

Urgh. I really hate gimmick alts. So fucking hard to read. Always come out null.
Hulk, if you are town and want us to read you as anything but null, drop the "hulk smash" shtick.

This post is more fake than your fake pointy eyebrows.

[Oscar Wilde]

oscar - currently my biggest scumread. i don't like his post 16 where he says that hulk posted that before he got his role pm. it's clear that there was a confirmation stage pre-game. also he still hasn't given his "reasons" for string scum.

a) I was saying he likely thought of the post before he got his role PM. I realise that we all got our role PMs before the game started.
b) hello jello

[Oscar Wilde]

who is jello?

also oscar thank you for completely stating your reasons on string scum /s

No problemo.

[Oscar Wilde]

lame post incoming... wait for it

[Oscar Wilde]

^stfu olivia i'm working here

[Oscar Wilde]

Urgh. I really hate gimmick alts. So fucking hard to read. Always come out null.
Hulk, if you are town and want us to read you as anything but null, drop the "hulk smash" shtick.

This post is more fake than your fake pointy eyebrows.

I've complained about this before on my main. Nothing fake about it.

Your complaint itself is legit. Gimmick alts are annoying.
But your tone is faker than pro wrestling.

[Oscar Wilde]

i actually did like anonymous... but i'm not so sure how much i like post 75. because - ANO, those very things that you admitted to be true, are indeed scummy. you saying that you're not convinced... looks almost a little.... too rational (?) for my liking. ..if that makes sense. kinda like being the peace keeper, and not trying to make any ripples in the pond. .. same as when you mentioned that you're finding it difficult to get any scum reads.

-olivia

[Oscar Wilde]

lame post incoming... wait for it

btw, the other head actually was working on a lame joke, but deleted it

[Oscar Wilde]

anonymous is like the jolly green giant, cause he's being the peas keeper... hyuk hyuk

[Oscar Wilde]

So, quick summary of our discussed reads:
stringcheese and duality are pretty likely scum partners.
the jolly green giant that is anonymouse might be scum instead tho if we're wrong on one of the above.

[Oscar Wilde]

I'm pretty convinced that string and duality are scum together but Olivia is not as certain on string, she thinks it might be anon instead.
But to me it's as obvious as a 2-bit magic trick.

[Oscar Wilde]

His entire ISO (starting with post 14) is faker than the meat in a McDonald's burger.

[Oscar Wilde]

I mean the read began with gut but it's evolved since then into what I said above. His case on mandy looks especially despicable because he's looking at the on-paper facts only and is ignoring the tone of mandy's posts. I think mandy's tone is townish, and I think string is ignoring this in order to drive a mislynch.

[Oscar Wilde]

mandy, posts like the above don't help. Stating that one or two points are wrong doesn't really help if you ignore everything else. It just looks like you're making easy posts.

[Oscar Wilde]

mandy, posts like the above don't help. Stating that one or two points are wrong doesn't really help if you ignore everything else. It just looks like you're making easy posts.

there's a logical conclusion implied by them
and i thought it would be obvious
that i'm skeptical that dualfishy is actually analyzing my posts
it looks more like surface glances at my iso, skimming my posts for 5 seconds and saying whatever he can think of that will look acceptable at a cursory glance
it's not a real analysis it's the most basic description of each post with limited context

I mean he's looking through your ISO to see if he sees what SoC sees, and posting information which demotes SoC's case on you. It's supposed to be information with minimal analysis so that we can see that stringy's case is bad.
At least that's what I got from it.
I think you're both town so it'd be great if you could make up or out or whatever.

[Oscar Wilde]

He also says mandy has been "doing nothing" in 59 - and then attacks SoC for saying nearly the same thing two posts earlier in 57!

Can you point out where Vulpixeon attacks SoC's post 57? I don't see it.

[Oscar Wilde]

It'd be real swell if the reindeer would get in here and give us his reads.

[Oscar Wilde]

Was gonna say even before soc's post up there^ that i think he's probably town. I'm trying to guess who is main is too..i think i may have an idea.

The other head and i both agree on a duality lynch.

Other head thinks hulk is scum but i think he's town. i also feel better about ANO.

-olivia head

[Oscar Wilde]

shos this game sucks

come on guys where's the action

VOTE: grey hulk

also it doesn't suck thaaat bad. it's just harder cause we're all alts.

hey shos - when you do the flips, can you declare their main??


xenu, what are your thoughts on duality? also, i'm assuming you think string is probably town now, right? after the half claim

-olivia

[Oscar Wilde]

I'm not touching the string wagon with a 10 foot pole at this point. It looks terrible.

i actually agree to that


and xenu - ya, i know what you mean about real time action. also - you should get an avatar >.>



so hey, hulk, who then? i really dislike the string wagon.


duality.. or maybe vulz


xpost. ya, that works @ hulk

[Oscar Wilde]

vulix*

[Oscar Wilde]

Hey so what alignment is grey hulk?

cos he seems to be posting low-effort noise

Town.

this seems like a bizzare thing to townread me for？

^ya

i may have to rethink what i thought to be a townread on hulk. esp considering my other head thinks he's scum.


hmmmm

maybe we *could* go that direction?? instead of strings.

[Oscar Wilde]

its not though? where did you get that impression?


(i think you are town btw)


i'm talking to the ppl voting strings. and thinking that hulk would be a better lynch. duality too... but, duality>hulk>>>>>>vulix>strings

[Oscar Wilde]

is xenu zmuffin?

[Oscar Wilde]

xenu, what is PC?

post(s) coming later

[Oscar Wilde]

straddle the fence too much and that the hydra

we've been saying that duality is very likely scum. it's who we both agree on and very much think is. how is that straddling the fence?

you said i was in particular. how? i was clear about what i thought on duality.. and anonymous (ANO at one point).

[Oscar Wilde]

Could you please explain how he sounded fake?

You're joking, right?

[Oscar Wilde]

xenu dramatically misses the point of Hulk's post in #163, can't tell if it was a joke or not.

Even more strangely Oscar Wilde doesn't get it either in #165 and tags along in the "Hrmm... how strange" conglomerate.

Also the second time I've noticed Oscar Wilde reassuring someone that he's townreading them in #167. Might be playstyle, might be buddying. If I had to guess right now I'd say the latter.

ya, i actually thought hulk was calling xenu for his post 150, as well. :s

hence my saying:
"i may have to rethink what i thought to be a townread on hulk. esp considering my other head thinks he's scum."

>.>

[Oscar Wilde]

calling xenu town*

[Oscar Wilde]

I don't think that scum really put town softclaims at L-1 in the hope someone will hammer. I wish scum were that obvious, but they're just not. I think replacing in and taking a wagon immediately to L-1 is much more of a playstyle than alignment-relayed thing.

town also doesn't put someone at l-1 without any explanation.

where is your vote

[Oscar Wilde]

iow- why aren't you voting

[Oscar Wilde]

i also find it scummy that well.. firstly, i guess that you don't have a vote down on either us or hulk, since you supposedly find us the most suspicious.

second - that all you really have on us, is that you didn't like that oscar head said that string's posts sounded fake, and that he didn't feel like explaining it. because, you recall that the other thing you mentioned that was scummy of us, turned out to be a misrepresentation.

side note - sounding fake is difficult to explain anyway, in general. it just does - tone, way it's worded, etc. you know - gut. >.>


also, what i mentioned earlier in the thread:
66 is still of note

[Oscar Wilde]

I was hilariously off on my guess of who mandy was so I think I'll avoid trying to outsmart the game in the future

Anonymous if you are townreading casanova and then you also see that strings softed a PR then how does this lead to your conclusion of "RtR so what"

I don't think that scum really put town softclaims at L-1 in the hope someone will hammer. I wish scum were that obvious, but they're just not. I think replacing in and taking a wagon immediately to L-1 is much more of a playstyle than alignment-relayed thing.

i agree^

[Oscar Wilde]

Casanova, every post string made sounded fake. Every single one. Most recently, his "I'm replacing out, but I'M A MYSTERIOUS UNNAMED POWER ROLE GUYS so don't lynch me" deploys the sour perfume of a dude who can't take a kilopascal or five of pressure but also doesn't wanna leave some randplacement in the lurch.
And you accuse us of hedging while building up a topiary garden of your own! For example, your read on
mandy: "I can't decide how I feel..."
ANOn: "He reads as genuine <snip> If this is scum, he's one to watch..."
Oscar: "Still uneasy about Oscar Wilde, but...".
Your entry is weak; the only thing you've actually taken a stance on is the inane idea that me not fully explaining a gut read is scummy.

Mind you, lynching a claimed PR on d1 is kinda silly so let's not do that. But I do expect a full claim tomorrow if you live through the night.

[Oscar Wilde]

gut is terrible and never works

ever

like there's a million times when someone said gut and it was complete bs

you know... i have played before. and i use gut all the time. and it works... granted not all of the time. but analysing posts doesn't work all the time either.

i think it's valid.

and re-read my iso

how does that answer my question to why you are not voting?

your ISO... you have stated that you think hulk and us are the most suspicious.

yes, you have pointed out rudolph's obvious wtf L-1 vote post. are you waiting to see if his explanation is scummy? ie - waiting to put a vote down on him? or?

i don't get why after you unvoted string, you wouldn't apply pressure to your scum reads.

[Oscar Wilde]

If it was just gut all along then don't try to pass it off as more than it is - which is what I suggested you had done.

How does the word "fake" not imply gut. Do you expect me to back up an accusation of fakeness with a copy of a lie detector test?

[Oscar Wilde]

well in c9+2 there is only 1 power role so someone prob would've cc'd by now if string did a fakeclaim

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9_%2B_2

There are 0-2 power roles in c9+2.
We're also playing a "modified" c9+2 so even if c9+2 had only 1 PR the guy'd be an idiot to counterclaim.

[Oscar Wilde]

i like xenu, anonymous and mandy tasty kitten.

[Oscar Wilde]

I find string's claim fake because I find it hard to believe a town PR would out himself right before replacing out. It looks to me like string felt that he was leaving his partner and replacement in a lurch by replacing out when he did, and did them the favour of getting people off his back by ambiguously claiming "usefulness" as a role. The way he worded his post, by saying "I am not useless," also gave me the impression that he was more concerned about self-preservation than anything else.

Casanova, string's tone felt and continues to feel fake every time I read his posts. I don't know how to explain it, and I can't, because it's gut. And the fact that you're still trying to railroad me over the fact that I can't fully explain a gut read should be a big fat hint to everyone reading along at home that you are mafia.

[Oscar Wilde]

I'd be glad to demonstrate:

I believe Oscar Wilde's espoused scumread on stringofcharacters was fake. I believe this because under scrutiny he has repeatedly been unable to explain it.

other head will be answering this.

i'm kind of shocked that no one else sees duality as scum. or at least, that we're the only vote on her.


i may be very conf - biased. but i even disliked his chiming in right after rudolph's crazy vote. i think because it appeared to be scum looking for obvious things to point out.


duality - i feel like you have speckles of little scum reads here and there, but that you're not even really committed to anything.. or even trying to hone in on anything specific.

prob partially due to you not having a vote down.


i mean, earlier you unvoted us, after oscar head made post 105, as if you were satisfied with the response. but recent posts, indicate that you still are confused about the whole 'fake' thing. which, if that's the case - where is your vote on us? are you on the fence?


as well. you placed a vote on string before his pr claim. why did you place your vote there, when in post 83, you state that you have him as null. in post 83, you have hulk as scummier than string. why string over hulk then?


the no vote kind of represents lethargy, and not knowing or maybe not wanting to push (because hey, if you don't push too hard, then you keep your options open*) (((*scum do this if that wasn't clear)))

[Oscar Wilde]

oscar is a signature so hard to ask for at the end of each of your posts. like so

~oscar
~olivia

i post in all lower case. the one exception is post 154, cause of phone posting.

oscar posts with capitals, and he's less wishy washy than myself. and more sarcastic. ... and has this weird tendency to always want to make similes.

should be obvious.


-olivia

[Oscar Wilde]

I find string's claim fake because I find it hard to believe a town PR would out himself right before replacing out. It looks to me like string felt that he was leaving his partner and replacement in a lurch by replacing out when he did, and did them the favour of getting people off his back by ambiguously claiming "usefulness" as a role. The way he worded his post, by saying "I am not useless," also gave me the impression that he was more concerned about self-preservation than anything else.

Casanova, string's tone felt and continues to feel fake every time I read his posts. I don't know how to explain it, and I can't, because it's gut. And the fact that you're still trying to railroad me over the fact that I can't fully explain a gut read should be a big fat hint to everyone reading along at home that you are mafia.

I don't expect anyone to explain a gutread - my concern is that you're only just now backpedaling and calling it a gutread after being challenged to explain how the posts in question were "fake."

I'm suggesting you tried to pass for having a stronger case than you actually had. It's possible we're arguing semantics here, though, so I'll drop it and the folks at home can decide.

Oscar, what do you like about the mandy slot?

i know other head liked her for a specific reason. ...ah i remember - he liked her tone. also, i think he thought he knew who she was

i thought she was fine. she kind of jumped on ANO a bit.. like was a little on edge. but i didn't find it to be done in a suspicious manner. more like paranoia


on another note, hulk needs to come in and post. because he is teetering on the edge for me. tipping towards the land of scummishness. absence from the thread degrades any sort of mild town read there might have been.

-olivia

[Oscar Wilde]

Any thoughts on Oscar Wilde's points against you, Duality?

the part i want to know the most about is - why, when duality unvoted us, he chose to vote string over hulk.


here: 106, given this: 83

??

note that post 106 was his only post after his reads list in 83, in which he listed hulk as scum and string as null.


it looks pretty bad from mpov

[Oscar Wilde]

Everyone:

what do you think of Vulix?

i actually don't really mind vulix too much.

i liked that he changed his read on mandy, instead of pushing (at a time when i think it would have been deemed acceptable to push on her, as scum)

i also liked that he seemed mildly aggressive ...but then it seems he got busy and kind of fell off from being able to get that into the game.

[Oscar Wilde]

a) Why do you find Casanova town
b) Why do I live in a neighborhood that translates into Casanova
c) Why the Duality vote?

[Oscar Wilde]

Not that I'm complaining; we have 22 hours left and a Duality lynch would be fantastic, but your entry post is less than pragmatic so

[Oscar Wilde]

Phone-post re: why Duality is scum:
-Spent the earliest pages of the game echoing the sentiments of other users and generally being insightless.
-After calling me and Hulk scum and voting me on page 4, backs down from me after I provide reasoning for my stringspicion and votes for string, putting him at L-1. Two things wrong with this:
*The reason for Duality's vote on me was because I wasn't explaining my read on stringquartet. On page eleven, Duality states that his scum read was not resolved by me explaining my read on string. So why the unvote?
*Duality voted for sillystring (who he had as null on the page prior) instead of Hulk.
These two points have led me to the conclusion that Duality had an ulterior motive to have his vote on stringbean instead of Hulk or myself. I believe it was bussing, just because of my read on Casanova, but it could just as easily have been pushing a mislynch.

[Oscar Wilde]

someone who constantly says someone is scum but never explains it is pretty scummy to me. if someone says "gut" and "fake" i call bs because in my previous games people never get "fake" and "gut" right. ever.

He says it here, ANO. What I'm saying is, if Duality has been thinking this since page four, why did he unvote me and place stringtheory at L-1? It doesn't make sense from a town perspective.

[Oscar Wilde]

was that so hard?

i don't really see the fakeness but i do see the trying to push the lynch on mandy because his reasons suck.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: string

Here's the post where he unvotes me and votes gstring. The "was that so hard?" implies that his reasons for voting us (not providing reasons for my scum read) are resolved. However, he does state in post 251 that this isn't the case.

[Oscar Wilde]

Haven't actually read the case on Vulix yet btw, will review it with Olivia when she gets home and then provide an update.

[Oscar Wilde]

Last scum is prob Vulix, since the two competing wagons yesterday weren't voting for each other. Also, the only way it really makes sense for both claimed PRs to still be alive today is if one is scum.
I'd still like a full claim from Casanova.

[Oscar Wilde]

I have three thoughts:
1) You calling the call for your fullclaim a "distraction" is scummy as hell. It sounds like you're trying to worm your way out of it.
2) ANO was driving the Vulix lynch post-claim, but he also jumped off of the Casa wagon when stringaling claimed your slot had a useful role. To acknowledge the former and not the latter is a tad disingenuous.
3) You are the one who created the Duality vs. Vulixeon scenario, here. You trying to pin it on xenu is kinda funny.

Vote: Casanova.

Claim, please.

[Oscar Wilde]

Two more thoughts:
1) I still wanna hear Glutenburg's reason for voting Duality.
2) Vulixeon needs to claim his target for last night.

[Oscar Wilde]

You are the one who created the Duality vs. Vulixeon scenario, here. You trying to pin it on xenu is kinda funny.

xenu created it, by tying the votes between Duality and Vulixeon - with no stated reason other than "to avoid a no lynch" (ironically).

Me asking for the two wagons to be explained is hardly the same. At all.

There were four wagons at the time, I was on one of them (you) so obviously I didn't need it explained, and the only other one was Gutenberg - and everyone already knew what that was about.

You are the one who created the dichotomy in the first place by saying you'd switch to Vulix over Duality. The only difference between yourself and xenu is that xenu actually put his vote where his mouth was.
And let's not forget that you were the reason for why Vulixeon was put at L-1. When both V and D were at L-2, you preferred to go after V.

[Oscar Wilde]

You calling the call for your fullclaim a "distraction" is scummy as hell. It sounds like you're trying to worm your way out of it.

It's a distraction because you're demanding a claim from me for no reason.

What is the reason? What will it accomplish?

Well I have a theory, but I can't tell you it until after you claim.

[Oscar Wilde]

I sort of feel like one Scum

has

to be in the PR claims simply because I'm having trouble believing neither of them is dead.

i agree

and, it seems as though - if scum were vulixeon (which i think is the case), he got trapped/cornered into not night killing casanova.

because he made the mistake of claiming in thread that he would be protecting him:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6427358

(which i remember thinking to myself when i saw that post^ of his, that it was a little off that he was in fact announcing his night move in thread). town doesn't feel inclined to do that.


i believe casa as well. i don't think the other head is fully there. he thinks it's either casa or vulix.


UNVOTE: casa
VOTE: vulixeon

[Oscar Wilde]

-olivia

[Oscar Wilde]

well ok. but still think the reason why vulixeon didn't die was because he is scum, and just wasn't able to night kill casa because he stated in thread that he would be 'protecting' him

-olivia

[Oscar Wilde]

vulixeon, you were scum right? just speeding up the inevitable?

[Oscar Wilde]

..i hope that doesn't come across as rude

[Oscar Wilde]

lol

[Oscar Wilde]

Leaving Casanova alive was definitely a mistake, it revealed that there was no RB (which is what I thought was the case but I would have bought a RB). Shoulda just killed him and hoped that people bought the RB explanation.
Are we revealing alts?

[Oscar Wilde]

you don't have to reveal alts if you don't want.

Except it's all in the scum QT anyway.
Was Reason Hiraki?

[Oscar Wilde]

Quite surprised I got both scum, to be honest. Though most of the scumreads really started with gut.

Also shos, lovely dead QT you had going on, haha.

They were the same person. :p

[Oscar Wilde]

Nope, try again.

Kise?
Wisdom?
Feirei?