ROAP! 1! 2! LOW LANDS WENT DOWN! this was Micro 413 btw

[TierShift]

What should you do when a Belgian throws a hand grenade at you?

Pull the pin and throw it back!

VOTE: Eek

Getrekt

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Hi fuzzy

4 votes is 2/3 of the playerlist so don't be afraid.

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ur da man

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where ya from btw?

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damn was hoping this would be an all-dutch party

but nay

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well, we still got 3/7

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me eek and mod

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I AM THE TRUE DUTCHMAN

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I hope so, never heard of it. This game's funny because it has 3/5 dutch-speaking persons on this site. (I think)

Can you give me links to those sites?
But werewolves (mafia but then werewolves) is pretty big for group activities here.

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Hi TTH

I got a feeling dessew is scum here. But I like my vote.

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Droog is funny

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I don't even understand the joke/point dessew is making.

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On the fence. Looking to see what he'll do when eek gets in here.

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Blegh, waiting sucks.

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EEK I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO PLAYING WITH YOU, lul.

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Fine I'll play without stupid flemings

VOTE: dessew

Have you ever drawn scum before?

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I think that although dessew has a point, he is overreacting.

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Are you saying the fuzzy-dessew exchange is null?

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Are you saying the fuzzy-dessew exchange is null?

no
((but thats what i was thinking))

would scum vote like dessew did?
maybe not
still little to go on

I don't get it, do you think it's null or that it isn't null?
Why would scum not vote like dessew did?

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I could see newbscum trying to attract attention to them scumhunting by shouting how bad the other player's post is.

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Why are you trying to not see my point?

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Some people never escape their newbie stage, js.
You can get newbscum vibes even from something an experienced player is doing.

In other news, droog is fencesitting.

mod, prod for eek?

You better not flake buddy

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TTH isn't more active than Eek, I get that windmills and tulips, I don't get what's about Eek, regardless.

U got it

With this answer, asking if I have ever drawn scum makes no sense at all.

Well, I was gonna meta and I still am probably when I have time.

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I want a counterjoke to my belgian joke.

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you got me laughing out loud, good job

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It only appears when you have over 10 posts with content!

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Both of you are around, so please post something useful.

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Why is tth my buddy?

Don't take my indifference towards you personal please!

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Not really. I was really planning to research you if you kept up the newbscum game.

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Dessew, what would you have expected me to do in the vein of.figuring out your alignment?

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That's true, on the condition that there's actually stuff to talk about. I don't think I could have got anything alignment-indicative out of you with the information present and that we'd rather talk in circles. That's why I waited to see what the new guys had to say. And they still haven't done shit, although TTH is givong me badfeels. I should move my vote there.

VOTE: tth
Tth, what's your opinion on fuzzy?

Dessew, whose entrance (tth or eek) looks scummier to you? Why?

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And I suppose you're wrong here, you could've got info about me. There is usually a point where it can be "talking in circles" as you said, but we were far, far away from that point.

What are you trying to say? Do you think I'm being dishonest or do you just have a different opinion?

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This fuzzy's-read-on-you is not a bad catch, imo.

How is tth asking someone to explain his read a 'catch'?

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Well, I was kinda parking on dessew, so yeah. What's your opinion on dessew atm?

do you like enter on weird
places in the sentence that make no
sense at all on purpose?

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Yass I think I found a townmate

What do you think if I say there's probably 1 scum in the 2 lurkers?

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So who again are you not townreading out of [me, dessew, fuzzy]?

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Talking to people 1 to 1 inthread is underrated
So are neighbours

Why is fuzzy null? He has some content.

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What even is opnion fishing

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Oh right I'm not into doing that as scum
And I doubt it's a scumtell that works

Fishing for who to vote it's called right now, idk what t make of it.

[TierShift]

I'm sorry, is this an attempt at interacting with me and understanding my behaviour or just applying your shitty scumtells?

[TierShift]

V/la from tomorrow-sunday

Will get to this tonight/tomorrow.

[TierShift]

I'm sorry, is this an attempt at interacting with me and understanding my behaviour or just applying your shitty scumtells?

Neither. Reading your posts from the first few pages is giving me an understanding of your behavior and I haven't applied "scumtells" anywhere.

The picture I'm getting of your behavior is that you like to use buzzword-loaded rhetoric, probably in an attempt to sound authoritative. That can come from someone of either alignment and I'm not here to judge for that by itself, but I expect this attitude to carry over into the reads. The confident veneer seems to go away when it comes to your reads because they're all an inch deep. You can drop jargon in places like, "You can get newbscum vibes even from something an experienced player is doing." and "Why is fuzzy null? He has some content." but when it comes to the vote, you have a justification of "badfeels" and there's a lot of fogginess surrounding the droog and Dessew read.

If I'm wrong about any of this, please feel free to correct me. You didn't correct me on my previous assessment though, so I don't think I am.

All right. I've never heard that I like to throw buzzwords around and I don't think I'm doing so. I also do not want to sound authoritative, but I want to make my opinion known. My reads are somewhat foggy because some players started off as scummy but turned around for me and vice versa. I think I have a pretty good grip on my reads atm.

I shall respond to your previous accusations.

At the risk of being accused of OMGUS, I think there's a good chance TierShift is scum as well.

In post 95, he's obviously reviled by my entrance and My Milked Eek's entrance. I would guess that it's because it doesn't show any clear direction or decisive action. That is, after all, the most notable contrast between the flow of the game and both of our entrance posts. When fuzzybutternut shows this similar lack of gumption, TierShift is surprisingly unfazed. In post 51, he categorizes Dessew's vote based on fuzzybutternut's comment as an overreaction. Why are the scumtells unevenly applied?

Your posts were full of nothing except maybe asking a question. Fuzzy gave reads, at least. I don't think I'm applying scumtells unevenly.

The read on droog is also troubling. In post 69 he accuses droog of "fencesitting" without discussing what fencesitting he thinks is taking place or the implications it has on droog's alignment. So, why is he drawing attention to it? I can only conclude it's to suggest droog is scum without actually making an explicit accusation. I can't think of any town motivation for that.

this is awful, accusatory shit. I can draw attention to anything I want just for people to notice it. You attaching scum motivation to that has no basis at all.

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And I suppose you're wrong here, you could've got info about me. There is usually a point where it can be "talking in circles" as you said, but we were far, far away from that point.

What are you trying to say? Do you think I'm being dishonest or do you just have a different opinion?

I'm not trying to say anything, I

am

saying that you're being dishonest.

Riiiight, I'm lying for disagreeing with you. uh-huh.

This fuzzy's-read-on-you is not a bad catch, imo.

How is tth asking someone to explain his read a 'catch'?

Something was off, she asked about it, that's why it's a catch.

what was off?

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fuzzy vs tth
does not sound town v town

I'm thinking it's scum v scum atm

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I was gonna call dessew town but then I reread his ISO and felt not so sure.

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In the afternoon I'm posting.

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I came in here tk make a post about how I've seen Eek passively lurk as scum before and how he knows I can read him well probably but now that goes out of the window.

In the afternoon I'm posting.

Stop lurking.

Stupid belgian hypocrite. I'm gonna fuk u up i swaer

Opening play as I expect it.

Fokkin wot u mean

superficial

Fokkin wot u mean

he's somewhat playing as a tiertown and not as a tierscum

What would you expect from tierscum that you're not seeing here and what makes you think tiertown?

but there's a few things that don't align and I'm not sure where to place this.

Namely?

I put him in null as I need some interaction with him to get a better grasp.

>needs interaction
>Asks no questions

Pssh belgians

Love to have you in here <3

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[ Uh-uh, that's not what I posted, duh. There's no way town would have asked me if I'd ever drawn scum before and then thought to themself: "yes, I tried what I could, it was a good job, I'm gonna phone my mom, maybe she'll be proud of her little son." No. What you did wasn't satisfactory because I weren't interested in my alignment and that's because you're scum.

Go cry in a corner. I said I would have researched you if you'd kept up the newbscum attitude and you haven't. Stop pretending like asking you about your previous scumgames was scumhunting or trying to be so.

I can link you to tons of cold meta analyses I have done as scum (probably more than town) if that makes you not have a stick up your butt.

fuzzy vs tth
does not sound town v town

I'm thinking it's scum v scum atm

Have you been scumreading fuzzy? Could you quote where? Why are you scumreading him?

That implies a scumread, very good job!
I think that's the first mention of fuzzyscum I have made.

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So I'm assuming that you also think Dessew and droog are scum for their Princess Bride re-enactment in the first two pages.

In my case, goofing off in the first few posts was scumtell. I had yet to read the thread and I had no desire to at the time but I saw the picture Eek posted and wanted to poke fun at it. Not giving content in the first two posts is a scumtell, that's your point.

That's ... what did you call it?... "awful, accusatory shit."

I never said this!
But it doesn't look like you are misrepping on purpose, so here goes: why you gave me badfeels was your question to fuzzy why he was townreading me, as the only thing you did. It looked like something done on purpose, an attempt to cast doubt on me, without stating so. I thought you'd probably use it to attack me later, which you did.

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No, you did more than simply "draw attention" and you acting otherwise is disingenuous. You attached a word to it that has a negative connotation: "fencesitting." But you only went halfway there, you didn't actually accuse droog of being scum. Why?

I drew attention to something scummy droog was doing, right. I publicly announced droog was doing something scummy. I liked my read on dessew better, if you're asking why I didn't vote him.

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>needs interaction
>Asks no questions

You were going to be here...

Whatcha mean?

Also your (re)new(ed) sig suxxxx

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Also my reads are total shit right now and I don't think

that much

alignment-indicative stuffs have happened and I'd rather just interact with people right now instead of calling weak scumreads.

Except droog, droog's town.

Dessew waddaja think of eek

Fuzzy how's life how's your read on me and your read on tth?

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Yo mama's cheap?

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1v1 me nub

U dy biatch

I came in here tk make a post about how I've seen Eek passively lurk as scum before and how he knows I can read him well probably but now that goes out of the window.

Unfortunately for you I have the better track record of reading you.

Shh

superficial

Fokkin wot u mean

Read TTH's posts I linked. If necessary I'll reply in detail, but at work right now.

Do you even know what TTH's point was?

It was that I was using 'trying to sound authoritative' and that that attitude didn't carry over into my reads. It was not the fact that I was being superficial.

So, do you think I've been trying to sound authoritative and that I used buzzwords to that extent? And that my reads don't match up?

he's somewhat playing as a tiertown and not as a tierscum

What would you expect from tierscum that you're not seeing here and what makes you think tiertown?

I'm seeing the headless tierchicken again. Not as strong as months ago, but it's in your posting. Expected tierscum style: a bit more collected and cool. At 50 posts, this is not the case.

Meh
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there's some attention span issues in your play that bug me. I'd list specifics but that'll have to wait until I'm home.

Do that for sure.

And why am I superficial? Because my reads don't have much basis?

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Why was that the only thing you posted at the time?

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I don't understand eek's argument

And I don't understand his read on me

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Oh shit it's just 5 hours to DL

I'm down for either an eek lynch or a fuzzy lynch
I'm hoping somewhere that eek is still going to make sense
But i feel good lynching him anyway
VOTE: eek

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HAH, STUPID BELGIAN. REVENGE!

Also, I'm a fucking beast at Lylo. No quickvoting please, I'm going to find out who scum is and then we can vote.

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You're probably overthinking that.

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I mean, I realise I'm probably the one having the choice of who's going down with me, but I want some better reasoning than that.

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soo...how certain are you in your scumread on me, what contributes to it,, and how probably is fuzzy scum?

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Who do you think fuzzy would choose, then?

I didn't think fuzzy's townread still stood.
come talk, fuzzy.

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he said he'd be okay with my lynch. That doesn't sound like a strongest townread.

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because

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Actually, TTH's voting pattern is the only thing that springs to mind when I think about why he's scum.

Reread tomorrow.

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Well, no.

Eek wasn't bussing yesterday, that much was clear.
The only logical three to take into lylo is us, for all of us here.

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I don't see what fuzzy's first post proves.

he said he'd be okay with my lynch. That doesn't sound like a strongest townread.

You're misstating it.

Fuzzy said he would only vote you if it was "what needed to happen." I'm guessing to avoid a no-lynch. From this I also gather that he was like me in that he thought majority was needed to lynch.

That's not how I read it, but that doesn't matter for shit now.

Fuzzy, I'll shoot you if you hammer.

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Fuzzy, I'll shoot you if you hammer.

noted.

That's not a threat. It's more of a reminder not to quickhammer until I've reread.

Which will happen tomorrow, not today. Sorry guys.

Also, happy scumday, I saw it yesterday already.

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Aunt's house burned down, been helping her clean shit up, so life's been busy. Sorry.

23 hours until Deadline.

I don't think TS should be the lynch today, but I'll go with it if it needs to happen.

Gonna re-read as much as possible tonight.

Please tell me your interpretation of this.

This is reluctance. This is someone who would only vote you if he had to but he didn't want to.

My interpretation was this:
'There are other people who I want to lynch more, but I don't really give a shit about getting them lynched and will vote deadline wagons'.
It was more indifference to my lynch than anything else. If he had had a real townread on me, he'd have actively pushed another wagon.

This is basically the same as what fuzzy actually meant.

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reading.

That's true, on the condition that there's actually stuff to talk about. I don't think I could have got anything alignment-indicative out of you with the information present and that we'd rather talk in circles. That's why I waited to see what the new guys had to say. And they still haven't done shit, although TTH is givong me badfeels. I should move my vote there.

VOTE: tth
Tth, what's your opinion on fuzzy?

Dessew, whose entrance (tth or eek) looks scummier to you? Why?

I was also looking back at TierShift's ISO and I saw that Eek and I were both called out for being lurkers early in the game but I was the one who TierShift ended up voting for the vague reason "badfeels."

Why are you summing up my interactions with eek instead of showing why they are buddy interactions? Would me voting Eek for "badfeels" have made me look any better in your eyes?

I bet the answer is no.

Get your head out of your confbias asshole.

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I tried to make a stupid joke, then got tangled in it, the rest is princess bride.

Heh

/shrug. It's only a tiny read, really.

He's a cool guy though.

Upon a reread I really hate this post. It sets a precedent for fencesitting.

I'm iffy about droog now.
Fairly certain Tier is town though. Time will tell, I suppose.

Hi Eek, nice of you to join us.
Not sure what I think of Dessews play. Null, I guess.
Would like to hear more from TTH and Eek.

Which he's doing badly here.

That's all?

A good majority of his posts are fluff. I don't really know what you expect me to get from that.

But then again, I like the relaxed tone of this post.

I'm sorry, is this an attempt at interacting with me and understanding my behaviour or just applying your shitty scumtells?

Neither. Reading your posts from the first few pages is giving me an understanding of your behavior and I haven't applied "scumtells" anywhere.

The picture I'm getting of your behavior is that you like to use buzzword-loaded rhetoric, probably in an attempt to sound authoritative. That can come from someone of either alignment and I'm not here to judge for that by itself, but I expect this attitude to carry over into the reads. The confident veneer seems to go away when it comes to your reads because they're all an inch deep. You can drop jargon in places like, "You can get newbscum vibes even from something an experienced player is doing." and "Why is fuzzy null? He has some content." but when it comes to the vote, you have a justification of "badfeels" and there's a lot of fogginess surrounding the droog and Dessew read.

If I'm wrong about any of this, please feel free to correct me. You didn't correct me on my previous assessment though, so I don't think I am.

I have a hard time seeing this post coming from scum. It's full of town being completely satisfied with his own thought process and not being afraid to get into a fight with someone he sees as scum.

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There's a few things that I'd like to discuss with post 173. Let's start with the Dessew read.

scum

.

dessew

. The interaction between droog and dessew is entertaining but only usable if either one flips scum. What pinged my radar first is the vote switch to fuzzy in 46. It seems a bit too generous in emotions (english fail). The combination of a "wtf. vote" with "please be careful, it'"s l-2" and "but quicklynch=scum" is being very too safe while not being too safe. I hope that made sense... Not to mention I don't understand the vote switch. The switch back to tier is interesting given the first point I made about dessew, but given more credibility because of dessew's stance towards tier after he voted him: indifferent (coincidentally the reason he's voting tier).

I hope that made sense...

I hate to be the one to dash your hopes, but it didn't.
Specifically, this read doesn't quite fit together with the other ones. If you can think of reasons why fuzzy and/or TierShift could be scum (you provided a few), what's your issue with Dessew's voting pattern?

Did you think eek was scummy for his attack of dessew?

Well, I'm not now. There's a part of me that thinks it's you/TierShift, but I'll take the leap of faith.

VOTE: MME
He was on this morning and didn't post anything, which is weird for someone who requested the deadline extension.

This reads like a bus vote.

It's a trick.

VOTE: TierShift

I'm probably not going to be on in the next 2 hours.
VOTE: MME

I don't understand this at all. Can you explain?

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okay, and fuzzy just has no interaction with MME at all.

Hmm.
I was gonna come into this day and vote TTH, but I forgot it was Lylo.

Regardless, I think TTH is scum

but now that I look back, TSs initial vote on Eek (the one that got him lynched) seems very bussy.

It just seemed to come out of nowhere.

Likewise, TTHs vote didn't make much sense to me either, but I can understand the reasoning behind it.

TS said he'd be okay with either Me or Eek lynched, then voted Eek. TTH unvoted eek to vote TS, only to revote Eek two posts later. I personally find that more town motivated than anything.

fuzzy seems to be keeping his options open

I want your thought process on who's scum out of us, fuzzy. Not just, the game allows for you both to die so let's do that.

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Oh and I just realised I would so have taken droog to lylo instead of you, tth.

Both somewhat scumread each other.

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well, you'd not want to get lynched OR shot as scum, which is hard. For that, you'd need to keep your options open.

[TierShift]

still, you can show some more fucking thought process

[TierShift]

stop doing this.

[TierShift]

So you voted eek because he had asked to extend deadline, but didn't post for a morning?

I think you're town, but I don't understand why you're so dead set on lynching me. Please elaborate.

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Also, your vote on eek had nothing to do with droog's vote?
And you had no stronger scumread in fuzzy or me at the time?

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Wy do we wait for fuzzy? There are no questions to him atm, right?

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so tth come on

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Who am I kidding, actually.
I don't think TTH's explanation will change much, I've already made up my mind.

I'm shooting you, fuzzy. Want to keep your dignity and hammer me yourself or are you making me selfhammer?

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TS is still being survivalistic.

Oh and I'm gonna counterpoint that this is the most fucking survivalist point in the whole thread.

[TierShift]

Like where the Fuck have I ever been survivalistic? That point where I voted someone to not get lynched and that person turned out to be my scumbuddy?

OR FUCKING WHAT

[TierShift]

Sorry for yelling

But get your ass in here.

[TierShift]

You are the survivalistic one, not me.

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Nothing this day from you has been focused on finding scum.

[TierShift]

I'm shooting you in 24 hours.

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VOTE: TierShift

How about now?

[TierShift]

Meh
You're dying anyway

[TierShift]

tiershift weren't you one of those anti-self-voting fanatics

I had already lost, game was over. No point in dragging it out.

Plus, hey, promise is a promise.

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Dugh. If you lurk one more time as scum.

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meh, you were right. what's wrong with tunnelling on scum?