ROAP! 1! 2! LOW LANDS WENT DOWN! this was Micro 413 btw

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VOTE: fuzzybutternut

Hello again TierShift.

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Spoiler:

Here:

I don't see my reflection in the mirror!

Does that mean I'm a vampire?

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Owie.

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TTH
Whose scummier
Dessew for bursting out
Or me for fencesitting

Is there a "none of the above" option?

fuzzybutternut

Why are you townreading TierShift?

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That's all?

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Well..... that's rude.

Anyway...

Ostensibly, fuzzybutternut has paranoid tendencies, as evidenced by post 4 when he abstained from voting in fear of a quicklynch and the recoil to Dessew's read in post 43. From the behavior so far, I would predict fuzzybutternut to be very mistrustful and slow to jump to any conclusions without solid evidence. It seems that the opposite is the case, though. In post 84 he expressed a townread on TierShift and went so far as to use the word "fairly certain." That stuck out to me and I was sure there must have been a very compelling reason for this. There wasn't. In neither post 91 nor post 97 did you give me a well-formed argument for your read on TierShift.

That means he was either faking the paranoia at the beginning of the game or you're faking your read on TierShift. Either one points to the conclusion of him being scum.

My vote stands.

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Oh, I changed from 3rd to 2nd person at various points. That was a dreadful post.

Here's a revised one.

Well..... that's rude.

Anyway...

Ostensibly, fuzzybutternut has paranoid tendencies, as evidenced by post 4 when he abstained from voting in fear of a quicklynch and the recoil to Dessew's read in post 43. From the behavior so far, I would predict fuzzybutternut to be very mistrustful and slow to jump to any conclusions without solid evidence. It seems that the opposite is the case, though. In post 84 he expressed a townread on TierShift and went so far as to use the word "fairly certain." That stuck out to me and I was sure there must have been a very compelling reason for this. There wasn't. In neither post 91 nor post 97 did he give me a well-formed argument for his read on TierShift.

That means he was either faking the paranoia at the beginning of the game or he's faking your read on TierShift. Either one points to the conclusion of him being scum.

My vote stands.

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At the risk of being accused of OMGUS, I think there's a good chance TierShift is scum as well.

In post 95, he's obviously reviled by my entrance and My Milked Eek's entrance. I would guess that it's because it doesn't show any clear direction or decisive action. That is, after all, the most notable contrast between the flow of the game and both of our entrance posts. When fuzzybutternut shows this similar lack of gumption, TierShift is surprisingly unfazed. In post 51, he categorizes Dessew's vote based on fuzzybutternut's comment as an overreaction. Why are the scumtells unevenly applied?

The read on droog is also troubling. In post 69 he accuses droog of "fencesitting" without discussing what fencesitting he thinks is taking place or the implications it has on droog's alignment. So, why is he drawing attention to it? I can only conclude it's to suggest droog is scum without actually making an explicit accusation. I can't think of any town motivation for that.

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I'm sorry, is this an attempt at interacting with me and understanding my behaviour or just applying your shitty scumtells?

Neither. Reading your posts from the first few pages is giving me an understanding of your behavior and I haven't applied "scumtells" anywhere.

The picture I'm getting of your behavior is that you like to use buzzword-loaded rhetoric, probably in an attempt to sound authoritative. That can come from someone of either alignment and I'm not here to judge for that by itself, but I expect this attitude to carry over into the reads. The confident veneer seems to go away when it comes to your reads because they're all an inch deep. You can drop jargon in places like, "You can get newbscum vibes even from something an experienced player is doing." and "Why is fuzzy null? He has some content." but when it comes to the vote, you have a justification of "badfeels" and there's a lot of fogginess surrounding the droog and Dessew read.

If I'm wrong about any of this, please feel free to correct me. You didn't correct me on my previous assessment though, so I don't think I am.

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Well you're not reading my posts already, fuzzy, so I don't know what more you want to see. Otherwise, I'd have to think you'd have a thing or two to say about my current theory.

Here, let's try it a different way:

I'm iffy about droog now.

Fairly certain Tier is town though.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Hi Eek, nice of you to join us.
Not sure what I think of Dessews play. Null, I guess.
Would like to hear more from TTH and Eek.

It's a playstyle thing.

Nothing he's done has really screamed scum at me.

We'll see as time progresses.

That's all?

A good majority of his posts are fluff. I don't really know what you expect me to get from that.

The two latter posts do not follow from post 84.

There's a fundamental disconnect with being "fairly certain" on a read and not providing conclusive evidence to back that certainty.

You come off as a guy who's afraid of his own shadow, so I'm assuming there should be a

very

good reason why you're apparently so sold on TierShift being town. Thus far, you haven't produced one.

I also don't think TierShift is town, but that's a different issue entirely.

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"Fairly certain." "Sold." Now you're just playing semantic games.

"Time will tell, I suppose."
If you're going to qualify your reads like that, what's your point of sharing them at all?

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The point's being talked around. A different approach is needed.

Let's revisit the baseline behavior.

Post 43:

I tried to make a stupid joke, then got tangled in it, the rest is princess bride.

Heh

/shrug. It's only a tiny read, really.

He's a cool guy though.

Why did you feel the need to qualify your droog scumread to Dessew?

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The point's being talked around.

When I say this, I mean that only half the argument is being talked about.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: TierShift

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fuzzy vs tth
does not sound town v town

Where does "vs" come in? I stated my hypothesis. fuzzy is criticizing it. I'm using the criticism to evaluate the hypothesis.

I don't qualify anything to anyone.
I was simply stating that my read was a small read. Why is that so hard to understand?

I'm assuming you don't say things just to hear yourself talk. There was a reason that compelled you to say your read was "small." What was it?
It's not a trick question.

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All right. I've never heard that I like to throw buzzwords around and I don't think I'm doing so.

Well you do. Because I quoted them.

Your posts were full of nothing except maybe asking a question. Fuzzy gave reads, at least.

So I'm assuming that you also think Dessew and droog are scum for their Princess Bride re-enactment in the first two pages.
In my case, goofing off in the first few posts was scumtell. I had yet to read the thread and I had no desire to at the time but I saw the picture Eek posted and wanted to poke fun at it. Not giving content in the first two posts is a scumtell, that's your point.
That's ... what did you call it?... "awful, accusatory shit."

this is awful, accusatory shit. I can draw attention to anything I want just for people to notice it. You attaching scum motivation to that has no basis at all.

No, you did more than simply "draw attention" and you acting otherwise is disingenuous. You attached a word to it that has a negative connotation: "fencesitting." But you only went halfway there, you didn't actually accuse droog of being scum. Why?

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Where does "vs" come in? I stated my hypothesis. fuzzy is criticizing it. I'm using the criticism to evaluate the hypothesis.

"fuzzy talking to tth
does not sound town v town"

better????

No.
Now it's a bizarre conclusion with no visible line of logic leading to it.

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please try to push me around
: )

Always happy to do so.

The type of read presented at least makes sense when my conversation with fuzzy is framed as a one on one debate. The obvious implication is that one of us is scum trying to mislynch the other.
If the read is presented as "one of TTH or fuzzy is scum," there has to be another reason behind it.

What is it?

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"misreps"? What does that refer to?

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tth you're either cogent town or clever scum

Smooth.

i have much less about fuzzy to think on

There's actually quite a bit. I'll explain after a little more from fuzzy.

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im leaning toward you being the town
in you vs fuzzy
so id like to hear your fuzzy case

My fuzzy case?

Spoiler:

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dessew is town
one of eek/tier
one of telltale/fuzzy

leaning toward telltale being the scum

Of course you are.

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do i dare ask for the butternuts

I gave a snarky answer because my thoughts were already presented in post 115. The accuracy of my initial read depends on the accuracy of my psychological profile of fuzzy for which I have two possibilities.

What are you asking from me?

With reference to this post:

I tried to make a stupid joke, then got tangled in it, the rest is princess bride.

Heh

/shrug. It's only a tiny read, really.

He's a cool guy though.

The question is this:

I don't qualify anything to anyone.
I was simply stating that my read was a small read. Why is that so hard to understand?

I'm assuming you don't say things just to hear yourself talk. There was a reason that compelled you to say your read was "small." What was it?
It's not a trick question.

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What's that mean

It means that you arrived at these two weird dichotomies without explaining why and I'm the scumread that emerges from a black box.

It's not helpful in reading you and that's annoying.

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But it doesn't look like you are misrepping on purpose, so here goes: why you gave me badfeels was your question to fuzzy why he was townreading me, as the only thing you did. It looked like something done on purpose, an attempt to cast doubt on me, without stating so. I thought you'd probably use it to attack me later, which you did.

..which I did

not

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The intent behind the question can be found in post 115 in the bolded section below:

Ostensibly, fuzzybutternut has paranoid tendencies, as evidenced by post 4 when he abstained from voting in fear of a quicklynch and the recoil to Dessew's read in post 43. From the behavior so far, I would predict fuzzybutternut to be very mistrustful and slow to jump to any conclusions without solid evidence. It seems that the opposite is the case, though.

In post 84 he expressed a townread on TierShift and went so far as to use the word "fairly certain." That stuck out to me and I was sure there must have been a very compelling reason for this. There wasn't. In neither post 91 nor post 97 did he give me a well-formed argument for his read on TierShift.

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Because it was what I wanted to talk about.

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There's a few things that I'd like to discuss with post 173. Let's start with the Dessew read.

scum

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dessew

. The interaction between droog and dessew is entertaining but only usable if either one flips scum. What pinged my radar first is the vote switch to fuzzy in 46. It seems a bit too generous in emotions (english fail). The combination of a "wtf. vote" with "please be careful, it'"s l-2" and "but quicklynch=scum" is being very too safe while not being too safe. I hope that made sense... Not to mention I don't understand the vote switch. The switch back to tier is interesting given the first point I made about dessew, but given more credibility because of dessew's stance towards tier after he voted him: indifferent (coincidentally the reason he's voting tier).

I hope that made sense...

I hate to be the one to dash your hopes, but it didn't.
Specifically, this read doesn't quite fit together with the other ones. If you can think of reasons why fuzzy and/or TierShift could be scum (you provided a few), what's your issue with Dessew's voting pattern?

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There's no reason to move it and I'm going to check in probably several times before the deadline.

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In the meantime droog, could you please tell me how your fuzzy read's going?

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Well, I'm not now. There's a part of me that thinks it's you/TierShift, but I'll take the leap of faith.

VOTE: MME
He was on this morning and didn't post anything, which is weird for someone who requested the deadline extension.

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That argument ceases to have validity now that you acknowledged it.

My question was general and I didn't ask for quotes, but I understand that work comes first. If you get to it:

There's a few things that I'd like to discuss with post 173. Let's start with the Dessew read.

scum

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dessew

. The interaction between droog and dessew is entertaining but only usable if either one flips scum. What pinged my radar first is the vote switch to fuzzy in 46. It seems a bit too generous in emotions (english fail). The combination of a "wtf. vote" with "please be careful, it'"s l-2" and "but quicklynch=scum" is being very too safe while not being too safe. I hope that made sense... Not to mention I don't understand the vote switch. The switch back to tier is interesting given the first point I made about dessew, but given more credibility because of dessew's stance towards tier after he voted him: indifferent (coincidentally the reason he's voting tier).

I hope that made sense...

I hate to be the one to dash your hopes, but it didn't.
Specifically, this read doesn't quite fit together with the other ones. If you can think of reasons why fuzzy and/or TierShift could be scum (you provided a few), what's your issue with Dessew's voting pattern?

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It's a trick.

VOTE: TierShift

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my own thoughts suggest he's town
i think his early posts are easier called nonchalance than scum

however i like your thoughts on him which leans me toward scum
so null

i wouldnot push his lynch
but would compromise on it

now why are you trying to lynch tier

You were so adamant about one of me/fuzzy being scum. Now it seems the only thing you want to do is keep TierShift off the chopping block. Why?

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I'm probably not going to be on in the next 2 hours.
VOTE: MME

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I'm thinking it's TierShift.

I looked at the rules again and realized that the voting/lynching system is unconventional. In all the games I've been in so far, failure to achieve majority resulted in a no lynch, but here all that was required was pluralty.

MME yesterday talked about why he would request a deadline extension as scum and I can actually think of one: because his scumbuddy was leading in votes.

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Well there's also the fact that fuzzy choosing me and you for endgame doesn't make nearly as much sense as you choosing me and him.

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I mean, I realise I'm probably the one having the choice of who's going down with me, but I want some better reasoning than that.

What would make you think that? You're apparently fuzzy's only townread.

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he said he'd be okay with my lynch. That doesn't sound like a strongest townread.

You're misstating it.

Fuzzy said he would only vote you if it was "what needed to happen." I'm guessing to avoid a no-lynch. From this I also gather that he was like me in that he thought majority was needed to lynch.

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Who do you think fuzzy would choose, then?

You and Dessew.
The mistrust shown yesterday ran pretty deep. You were a staple scumread of his and you, in turn, said that you weren't townreading him after you read his ISO.

Me and fuzzy would be the optimal choice for you.
I gave reason to distrust fuzzy. And he thought you were town for all of yesterday so I would be scum by process of elimination. Fuzzy's first post today proves this.

VOTE: TierShift

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Aunt's house burned down, been helping her clean shit up, so life's been busy. Sorry.

23 hours until Deadline.

I don't think TS should be the lynch today, but I'll go with it if it needs to happen.

Gonna re-read as much as possible tonight.

Please tell me your interpretation of this.

This is reluctance. This is someone who would only vote you if he had to but he didn't want to.

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I've had this open since before I left for the job interview this morning - You were the main wagon when I posted that yesterday. A no-lynch wouldn't have given us any information, therefore I stated that, if it meant a lynch would go through that day, I would vote the main wagon. You just so happened to be that wagon.

That's what I thought.

It was more indifference to my lynch than anything else. If he had had a real townread on me, he'd have actively pushed another wagon.

fuzzy hasn't been pushing much of anything this game so I'm not sure how that prediction came about.

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Tier: IF I hammer you, you MUST shoot TTH. No if ands or buts about it.
TTH: IF I hammer you, you MUST shoot Tier. No if ands or buts about it.

This is auto-town win if you follow the above.

My vote likely isn't moving from TierShift and if lynched, I will vengekill TierShift.

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That's true, on the condition that there's actually stuff to talk about. I don't think I could have got anything alignment-indicative out of you with the information present and that we'd rather talk in circles. That's why I waited to see what the new guys had to say. And they still haven't done shit, although TTH is givong me badfeels. I should move my vote there.

VOTE: tth
Tth, what's your opinion on fuzzy?

Dessew, whose entrance (tth or eek) looks scummier to you? Why?

I was also looking back at TierShift's ISO and I saw that Eek and I were both called out for being lurkers early in the game but I was the one who TierShift ended up voting for the vague reason "badfeels."

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I don't understand this at all. Can you explain?

I thought the Dessew attack was odd given that he was voting MME's other two "null" reads. I thought that was out of place. Also, on the day of deadline I was on that morning at about 7 a.m. my time and I saw that MME was at the bottom of the activity log on the main forum page but didn't post in the game thread. I thought it was weird that he requested a deadline extension only to avoid posting, especially given the time sensitive nature of the discussion.

Then, after I voted I got cold feet. My thought about a couple hours after I voted MME was that the team was you and droog and droog was protecting you and trying to shift the lynch to MME at the last minute.

I forgot the plurality rule and thought that a majority was needed to secure a lynch. It was the rules for the couple games I completed so far and I was under the impression it was a site-wide convention. I wasn't going to be on until deadline, so I thought I was switching back to MME to avoid a no lynch.

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So you voted eek because he had asked to extend deadline, but didn't post for a morning?

Yes, there was an outstanding question for him and he didn't even acknowledge it.

Also, your vote on eek had nothing to do with droog's vote?
And you had no stronger scumread in fuzzy or me at the time?

At that point it was more a matter of what could be done to avoid a no lynch.
I saw that droog was unwilling to move over to you and I didn't have faith that fuzzy would do so either, so I didn't think I would get that lynch even if I wanted it. I thought MME's reads post was weird because of the Dessew scumread but MME didn't respond yet so I held off voting him at first. I made myself happy with an MME vote and I figured an MME wagon would have a higher chance of getting the requisite votes to secure a lynch since fuzzy would have likely been more receptive to an MME lynch.

I think you're town, but I don't understand why you're so dead set on lynching me. Please elaborate.

I'll do so after fuzzy's next post.

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fuzzy's only course of action as scum at this point would be to try to shift the lynch onto me. Instead, he's doing nothing so if he's scum he's doing a pants-shittingly bad job at it.

I still think TierShift is scum.

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I feel like I overdid the tunneling on the last day.

Sorry TierShift.

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I thought I was being rude and annoying. I probably wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of my behavior on the last day regardless of the card I drew.

By the latter half of Day 1, I was pretty sure I got the fuzzy read wrong because what I read as paranoia was actually people-pleasing. fuzzy just seemed like one of those guys that's laid back and likes to go with the flow and I convinced myself I misread that as him being scum.