Micro 418: MS sitcom UPick - [Game Over]

[Kagami]

I'm a town-aligned ninja.

VOTE: Bert

[Kagami]

I am a ninja as a modifier for another role. I see almost no utility, positive or negative, for the modifier and assume it's flavor-driven.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BPC

[Kagami]

Konowa's iso is him soft-counterclaiming me because he assumed ninja implies killing role. Konowa is fairly high confidence town.

Who is town as well. I think someone already pointed it out, but no scum would falsely claim miller after someone else had done the same.

Bert is tingling.

Fuzzy flip does little to change my perception of BPC.

VOTE: BPC

[Kagami]

Weekends are difficult

[Kagami]

I don't like it when a miller claim is called null, though I recognize that konowa did the same. It strikes me as an oddly concrete statement from bert this early.

I also have the vague feeling that 110 comes from someone knowing that it's a miss, but I don't put too much weight on that.

What do you think about the playerlist so far, BPC?

[Kagami]

It's player specific, but never really null. The kind of player who sees it as a good scum tactic will likely be scum when he claims it. The player who sees it as too risky will likely be town when he claims it.

Counterclaiming miller, however, is a different story and would be a very next-level scum move that I think is pretty unlikely.

[Kagami]

I'm not crazy about the konowa shot, but I don't think that's how scum would approach it.

The page 4 shot only makes sense if he was doing it for dayvig towncred, but there's little reason not to milk it for maximum towncred by waiting later in the day and just shooting whichever town player is being mostly scumread.

The even more likely scum use would be to wait until lylo and use it before then only for survivalism. The list of bracketed power-types doesn't include "[Day 1]" which would be the only reason I can see that he wouldn't save it.

[Kagami]

I'm not crazy about the konowa shot, but I don't think that's how scum would approach it.

The page 4 shot only makes sense if he was doing it for dayvig towncred, but there's little reason not to milk it for maximum towncred by waiting later in the day and just shooting whichever town player is being mostly scumread.

The even more likely scum use would be to wait until lylo and use it before then only for survivalism. The list of bracketed power-types doesn't include "[Day 1]" which would be the only reason I can see that he wouldn't save it.

But in a power heavy game such as this wouldn't scum dayvig act early? Not alot of connections are made and the wifom is strong. Plus he knows he is hitting a pr. The town motivation seems minimal.

No. There's no benefit to acting early and even less to hinting at being a vig from post #1 as scum. This is all ignoring how ridiculous a scum dayvig is in a micro in the first place, only because FG might actually do something like that.

Town motivation is that he thought it might have hit scum. It was a suboptimal shot, no question, but most likely a town shot.

[Kagami]

Pre pre edit: Oh shit it is? I should be more direct than, I wanted people to maybe claim their scummers because I am an informed townie and know that one scummer in the game(besides me) is aligned with town. Could have been helpful in the long run don't ya think?

Which flavor is town? Any reason not to simply announce it?

[Kagami]

Is it confirmed to you that the flavor is in the game?

[Kagami]

Then let the scum claim it and we'll sort that out.

I don't understand why you wouldn't just out this in your first post. "Hey guys, I need to know who is XXX," would have been a pretty great opening post.

[Kagami]

not me~

[Kagami]

Here's what's bothering me about this whole thing, aside from the obvious sub-optimality of the manner of the claim.

also fakegod

if you run this sort of setup again, try to give scum something they could reasonably claim as a town ability. like the mokou thing, or the human-only-vig thing, or something, so that the setup can't be broken through stuff like that. we didn't _really_ have anything like that

it really didn't end up mattering here, but it could in the next game

(if i were town here, i woulda been a lot more forceful about a mass claim, or at least a claim of core abilities, role names, etc)

Thanks for the feedback, guys.

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if you run this sort of setup again, try to give scum something they could reasonably claim as a town ability. like the mokou thing, or the human-only-vig thing, or something, so that the setup can't be broken through stuff like that. we didn't _really_ have anything like that

I tried somewhat with your "I can use Night Cards during the day" thing, and Varsoon's "I'm the STRONGEST".

But I do see your point. Those abilities are not *really* on the same level as the other ones you've named. I'll make a note.

...

Kaguya Houraisan

: aligned with

Town

...

Eternal Rivalry

If

Fujiwara no Mokou

is in this game, then you know that that player does not share the same alignment with you.
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[Kagami]

UNVOTE:

[Kagami]

It would make me somewhat suspicious that the scumteam is bulletproof or something like that.

FG likes superficially powerful roles that are actually negative utility in the context of the setup.


There are several aspects of the claim that are fishy. One is that FG had implied he would strongly consider an informed-like fake-claim in the future. Otherwise, Fudu's handling of it is decidedly strange, especially given that DV had softed his flavor from his first post (though I didn't realize DV was an aussie; it's reasonable that neither did fudu).

That said, it's clear that fudu had his claim in mind from the beginning, however suboptimal his handling of it was.

I'm kind of thinking droog.

[Kagami]

Yep, all roads lead to droog. Even fudu-scum most strongly implies droog-scum to my mind.

VOTE: droog

[Kagami]

Who prob town for second miller claim.

Konowa town for vig and surrounding behavior

Fudu and chamber seems incredibly unlikely for unnecessary hard-bus. Fudu and bert is unlikely because of 200 and the context surrounding it. Fudu and BPC is unlikely because Fudu claiming informed that his partner is town is a survivalism move that is unlikely to be combined with a BPC bus vote.

Droog, however, has interactions with fudu that feel mildly scum-scum.

That's all under the assumption that fudu is scum, which is something that I'm not super confident of. I actually find chamber somewhat suspect here; I think his focus is oddly narrow, and he isn't showing an interest in advancing the gamestate. Droog is also my highest likelihood chamber partner.

[Kagami]

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What makes you think it has to be a fake-claim? I would not put it past FG to include it as a scum role, especially given the probability of this game being a troll FG setup.

Well, it's mod-provided either way, unless he just guessed DeasVail or picked up the soft and was playing dumb.

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I'm town.

Given that, do you feel a fudu and droog scumteam is likely?

That's one of my favorite pairs, yes. If you're town, then that makes it more so.

[Kagami]

well, I'm around.

[Kagami]

Still suspicious of chamber, and still prefer droog, but I guess those aren't on the table anyway.

Who disappearing makes me wonder if the miller claim was a gambit, but meh.

Fudu, do you have anything that should be claimed beyond informed?

[Kagami]

still prefer droog, but I guess those aren't on the table anyway.

Who disappearing makes me wonder if the miller claim was a gambit, but meh.

i didnt claim miller?

I meant "Who" the player.

[Kagami]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fudu

[Kagami]

Meh, I threw the game as well. I had a shot queued on droog and pulled it back at the last minute.